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Viestiketju osiossa 'Muu sotilaskalusto' , aloittaja Radar, 10.05.2013.

  1. Radar

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    Leclerc MBT: ~$17 million - (based on inflation from sale of 388 + support to UAE in 1993 for $3.62 billion - figures vary from $3.4 to $4 billion, but this appears most accurate and amounts to an average of $9.33 million per tank 15 years ago. More recent reports put a unit production cost of $8.5 million)
    ERC-90 Sagaie-2: $2 million – (based on unit cost from this source)
    VAB APC: ~$700,000
    VBR APC: ~$400,000 - (based on similar OTOKAR Cobra - France has higher labor costs)
    VCR-2 APC: $650,000 – (based on unit cost from this source)
    VCR TT2 APC: $625,000 – (based on unit cost from this source)
    VCR APC (basic 6x6): $600,000 – (based on unit cost from this source)
    VCR APC (basic 4x4): $550,000 – (based on unit cost from this source)
    Buffalo APC: $400,000 (based on this data)
    *TPP 501 APC: $400,000 (based on this data)
    AML-90 Armored Car: ~$700,000 (based on 1997 production costs)
    VBL Armored Car: ~$300,000 (based on sale to Indonesia in 1996)
    *SAMP/T Battery: ~$400-450 million for radar, command systems, 6 launchers, & 96 Aster 30 missiles - (based on costs of similar systems & Aster missile)
    *Roland: $8-10 million for launch vehicle & 20 Roland 3 missiles (based on this purchase and this data)
    AU-F1 155mm SPH (aka GCT): $6.5 million (based loosely on this data)
    CAESAR 155mm SPH: ~$5.5 million (based on contract for French Army)
    TRF1 155mm Towed: ~$2 million (based on similar South African G5 in 2000, as well as Finnish GH-52 – I am accounting for the shorter barrel)

    Aircraft
    Rafale M: possibly $155 million or $120 million, based on below figures and higher flyaway cost
    Rafale B/C: $150 million (based on near-sale of 18 to Morocco), $139 million (based on proposed Saudi purchase), possibly $131 million (preliminary prices in Moroccan offer)
    Mirage 2000: -$40 million to upgrade to 2000-9 (based on offer to India) production of new aircraft ended last year
    *A330 MRTT: $300+ million – (so sayeth Australian deal)
    *A310 MRTT: $50 million to upgrade existing aircraft – (based on Canadian data)
    *Tiger: $40-50 million depending on variant (based on 2002 estimates and Australian program for 22 - latter is assuming AUD)
    *EC 725 Cougar: $53.7 million (based on recent Malaysian plan for 12)
    *NH90 NFH: $52+ million (based on Australian buy and inflation in TTH price)
    *NH90 TTH: $40+ million (based Greek contract for 20 and Finnish contract for 20)
    *AS 532 Cougar: $27-35 million depending on variant (based on multiple sales)
    *EC 635: $21 million w/ munitions - (based on Iraqi buy)
    *EC 175 (Z-15): ~$20 million - (based on current civil unit price estimates)
    *AS 565 Panther: $15 million - (based on multiple sales)
    *AS 550/555 Fennec: $9-10 million (based on 2001 Malaysian order for 6 and Indian buy - latter includes 60 purchased plus domestic production)
    *EC 145 (UH-72A): $7.5-8.5 million - (based on European & US contracts)
    *EC 135: $6 million (based on 2001 sale to Portugal)
    *EC 120B Colibri: $1.4 million - (based on US option for 55)
    Harfang UAV System: ~$60 million for 3 aircraft & 2 ground stations - (estimate based on French procurement)
    Patroller UAV System: ~$25-35 million for 3 aircraft & 2 ground stations - (based on French estimates)

    Naval Units
    Highly variable by nature. Best determined according to specific requirements on a case-by-case basis. Designs offered by France include:
    Marlin Submarine: ~$600 million (wild guess)
    *Scorpène Submarine: $400-550 million, depending on options (India paid over $500 million each for 6 AIP versions)
    *Horizon Frigate: $1.1+ billion - (based on estimates)
    *FREDA AAW Frigate: $800 million – (based on official estimates)
    *FREMM Multirole Frigate: $575-750 million, depending on options – ($525-675 million target cost. Greece is Paying about $615 million each. Additional source)
    La Fayette Multirole Frigate: ~$500 million – (based on Taiwan acquisition of $2.8 billion for 6)
    Gowind Corvette: $270-300 million - (based on attempted sale to Bulgaria)
    Combattante CL78 Corvette: $175-250 million, depending on options - (based on below)
    Combattante BR70 Corvette: $150-200 million, depending on options - (based on Baynunah cost)
    Combattante CL65 Corvette: $100-150 million, depending on options - (based on above)
    Combattante BR42 Missile Boat: $40-60 million, depending on options - (based on above)
    Vigilante 1400 CL79 OPV: ~$40-45 million - (based on similar vessels)
    Vigilante 700 CL65 OPV: ~$30-35 million - (based on similar vessels)
    Vigilante 400 CL54 Patrol Vessel: ~$20-25 million - (based on similar vessels)
    Vigilante 200 BR42 Patrol Vessel: ~$15 million - (based on similar vessels)
    Interceptor DV33 Patrol Craft: ~$5-15 million, depending on options - (rough estimate)
    Interceptor DV15 Patrol Craft: ~$1-2 million - (rough estimate)
    Mistral LPD/LPH: $475-525 million - (based on this source & South African program)
    -$500-550 million with upgraded point defense - (based on print sources)
    *PAAMS AAW System: ~$425-450 million - (based on initial costs)

    Munitions
    MM.40 Block 3 Exocet: $3.5-4 million – (based on costs of similar Harpoon models)
    SM.39 Exocet: $4.5-5 million - (based on Malaysian buy)
    AS.39 Exocet: $3.5-4 million – (based on costs of similar Harpoon models)
    *SCALP Naval cruise missile: ~$5 million – (based on this data)
    *SCALP-EG cruise missile: $1.8 million – (based on Italian acquisition and UK costs)
    AS-30L Missile: ~$125-150,000 - (based on similar weapons)
    Mica AIM: $1.5 million – (based on $800,000 production cost)
    *Aster 30 Block 1 SAM: ~$2.5-3 million - (based on below and improvements for modest ABM capability a la Patriot GEM/T)
    *Aster 30 SAM : ~$2.5 million - (based on Aster 15 cost & similar weapons)
    *Aster 15 SAM: $1.25 million - (based on this info)
    *Roland SAM: $170,000 for Roland 2, $200,000 for Roland 3, $150,000 for RM-5 (based on this data
    *Eryx ATGM: $900,000 for launcher & 6 missiles - (based on Turkish contract)
    Milan ADT/ER: $800,000 for 1 launcher upgrade and 10 missiles - (based on South African program)
    -$0.9-1 million for new launcher and 10 missiles - (based on above)
    Milan 2T ATGM: $30,000 - (based on Indian purchase)
    AASM PM bomb guidance kit: $160,000 - (based on lack of better data)
    AASM DTT bomb guidance kit: $120,000 – (same as above)
    Belouga BLG 66 cluster bomb: $65-70,000 – (based on 1998 price and Ottawa convention compliance costs)
    Durandal anti-runway bomb: $32,000 – (based on estimated 2005 cost)
    *A244-S 21" Torpedo: $3.5-4 million - (based on similar weapons. NOTE: for aircraft and surface ships, NOT subs)
    *Black Shark 21" Torpedo: $3.5-4 million - (based on Malaysian acquisition)
    *MU90 Impact 12.75" Torpedo: $1-1.2 million - (based on similar weapons)

    FUTURE SYSTEMS
    The only current things I know of that I'd put here are the trouble A400M, the VBCI, which hasn't been offered for export as far as I know (AMX-10P replacement), and the EBCR (AMX-10RC and ERC-90 replacement). The A400M might even be cancelled. The VBCI is just starting deliveries, and my best info on the latter shows deliveries probably starting in 2011-2012. The FREMM, on the other hand, has been ordered by other nations, so I stuck that in current. Same with the Marlin, though that’s only being offered at this point. The only other program involves digitizing the French army and possibly replacing several vehicle types by 2025 (VBCI and EBRC are part of this). Under this, the VAB could be replaced as well.
    There’s also the A400M, which under soaring costs and delays, will not see service until at least 2014.
    Also added here is the upgraded Rafale. The AESA radar and integrated defense system, among other features, are, AFAIK, NOT on previous export attempts because they’re not in service yet. Expect a $15 million or so price hike, at least, for all the new toys.

    Ground
    VBCI: ~$5.5 million based on French contract at 2.34 million euro each
    EBRC: ~$3 million based on this admittedly questionable data, more likely $7-10 million.

    Air
    Improved Rafale: $135-170 million, depending on price for basic unit. Probably available starting around 2012
    *A400M: ~$180-200+ million export, with service probably around 2016, based on South African buy and Malaysian update
    *nEUROn UCAV System: ~$125-140 million for 2 aircraft & 1 ground station based on unit cost and similar systems. Multinational UCAV with expected IOC 2017 based on first flight of demonstrator in 2011.
    *Tolarion UAV System: ~$100-110 million for 4 aircraft & 2 ground stations based on other units. Multinational jet-powered UAV. Some sources indicate 2013 IOC, but that may be just a first flight. Since other actions speak louder than forecasts, I would suggest a 2017 entry date.

    Naval
    *PABMS: ~$475-500 million based on original PAAMS system cost. This is an ABM-capable system that incorporates improved radar & fire control of with the Aster 30 Block 2missile. IOC probably 2012-2015.
    Barracuda class submarine: $1.9 billion per submarine - (based on wiki article)

    Munitions
    *Aster 30 Block 2 ABM: ~$4-5 million based on Aster 30 cost & contemporaries. Longer ranged with improved guidance and warhead compared to Aster 30 to engage 1000-3000 km class ballistic missiles. IOC likely between 2012 and 2015.

    http://z9.invisionfree.com/21c/index.php?showtopic=10987
     
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  3. SJ

    SJ Ylipäällikkö Lahjoittaja

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    Euroiksi muutettuna tuo taitaa tulla aika lähelle sitä NASAMS kaupan hintaa?
     
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    Hande Kenraali Lahjoittaja

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    Tuo on tosiaan ihan linjassa sen kanssa, mitä taannoin uutisoitiin, eli NASAMS-kaupan hinnalla olisi saanut karkeasti yhden SAMP/T-patterin.

    Vertailut ovat tietysti sikäli hiukan epäreiluja, että nyt ei hankittu lainkaan uusia ohjuksia, vaan ammennetaan samasta laarista kuin Hornetit.
     
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    Näin näyttäisi olevan. Kyllä tuolla SAMP-T:llakin olisi homma hoidettu hyvin. Yllättävä määrä ohjuksiakin olisi tullut tuolla hintaa..
     
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    Tuo pisti myöskin silmän...taistelukopterin hinta muka sama kuin NH-90 kuljetuskopterin
    *Tiger: $40-50 million depending on variant (based on 2002 estimates and Australian program for 22 - latter is assuming AUD)
    *NH90 NFH: $52+ million (based on Australian buy and inflation in TTH price)
    *NH90 TTH: $40+ million (based Greek contract for 20 and Finnish contract for 20)
     
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    Hyvää listaa Radar!

    Joo kato olisemme saanut 20 Tiger tsthelikopteria samalla rahalla...
     
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    SJ Ylipäällikkö Lahjoittaja

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    Mutta ei mitään varustusta ja sitten ei olisi myöskään tavallisia koptereita.
     
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    Joo mutta suomi piti ostaa varustusta NH90:lle....The miniguns.....mitä ne nyt maksoi?

    Eikö se nokkakonekivääri kuuluu hintaan?

    Ja sitten me voitasimme varustaa sen 2 Mistral ja 4 Spike-ER kanssa (inner and outer hardpoints)
     
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    JOKO Ylipäällikkö BAN

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    Eipä tuossa jää juurikaan hintaa patterin maakalustolle, jos nämä ohjusten hinnat pitävät paikkansa:

    *Aster 30 Block 1 SAM: ~$2.5-3 million - (based on below and improvements for modest ABM capability a la Patriot GEM/T)
    *Aster 30 SAM : ~$2.5 million - (based on Aster 15 cost & similar weapons)


    Tuon yllä mainitun paketin 96 ohjusta tekisi noin 250 miljoonaa, joten patterin lopuille rilppeille jäisi hintaa noin 200 miljoonaa. Vain niukasti kalliimpi, kuin Nasams? Ohjukset olisivat tosin tyyriimpiä, kuin Amraam, mutta ehkäpä SAMP/T kykenisi ampumaan myös halvempia ohjuksia?
     
  11. SJ

    SJ Ylipäällikkö Lahjoittaja

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    SAMP/T systeemin tietyt heikkoudet jäisivät jäljelle vaikka tuohon integroitaisiin NASAMS:n ohjusalustat. Ja siitä, että Aster-30 ohjukset integroitaisiin NASAMS:iin oli jo juttua taannoin, mutta siitä ei nyt vaan taida tulla mitään.
     
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    Edelleenkin, paras olisi ollut pistää vähän enemmän rahaa kiinni ja ostaa edes yksi SAMP/T patteri (okei, varatutka tarvittaisiin sille) ja NASAMS. Siinä olisi ollut aika vittumainen yhdistelmä. Tietty jos olisi ostettu alunperinkin NASAMS mutta ESSM ohjuksella niin...
     
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    No, ehkä jonakin päivänä. Mutta NASAMS tavallisella AMRAAM -ohjuksella ei ole huono idea, juurikin siksi, että se on sama ohjus kuin ilmavoimillakin. Ja ilmavoimat kuitenkin saavat aina suuren osan rahoista.
     
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    No toivotaan että NASAMS kehittyy että sillekin on 100 km kantavat ohjukset.....ehkä 5 vuoteen päästä?
     

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