stunt cock
Luutnantti
Pienenä täsmennyksenä uhrina ei näyttänyt olevan T-72 vaan T-55 tai T-62.
vz
Luutnantti
vessaharjamies
Kapteeni
Pienenä täsmennyksenä uhri näyttäisi olevan T-55
Näin on. Selvästi näkyy t-55:lle ominainen 1+4 pyörällinen Christie-telaketjusysteemi ja pääaseen kärjessä oleva savunpoistin. Jokaiselle intin käyneelle perusasioita toivottavasti
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stunt cock
Luutnantti
En ole ihan sata varma, mutta T-55:ssa ei ole mielestäni Christie-telaketjusysteemi. Aika varmasti väittäisin, että T-55:ssa on jo modernimpi torsion bar -systeemi käytössä. Tämä myös on ihan perusasioita intin käyneille .
.vessaharjamies
Kapteeni
En ole ihan sata varma, mutta T-55:ssa ei ole mielestäni Christie-telaketjusysteemi. Aika varmasti väittäisin, että T-55:ssa on jo modernimpi torsion bar -systeemi käytössä. Tämä myös on ihan perusasioita intin käyneille
Niin onkin mutta laitteiden visuaaliseksi tunnistamiseksi yleensä puhutaan christie- ja vickers-tyyppisistä systeemeistä, jolla tietyt vanhemmat vaunut erottaa helpommin uudemmista, joten se on täysin tarkoituksenmukaista. Torsion barit ei kerro vaunusta vielä oikein yhtään mitään, koska useimmista vaunuista kai ne vääntövarret kuitenkin löytyy. Toisin sanoen minua kiinnostaa vaunujen tunnistamisessa helpot muistisäännöt eikä välttämättä taustalta löytyvä mekaniikka. Nämä itävaunutkin erottaa toisistaan sillä tavalla aika helposti.
vessaharjamies
Kapteeni
Tässä on ilmeisesti kohtuu tuoretta kuvaa Damaskoksesta hallituksen joukkojen ponnisteluista alueella:
Näkyvät viritelleen metallisuojia T-72:en tornien ympärille ja ZSU-23-4:ssa vaikuttaisi olevan RPG-häkki ympärillä. Videolla myös alueelle tyypillistä äärimmäisen kompetenttia aseenkäsittelyä.
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Näkyvät viritelleen metallisuojia T-72:en tornien ympärille ja ZSU-23-4:ssa vaikuttaisi olevan RPG-häkki ympärillä. Videolla myös alueelle tyypillistä äärimmäisen kompetenttia aseenkäsittelyä.
Eipäs löydykään, vaan ainoastaan kiertovarsijousilla varustetuista vaunuista. Vanhemmissa vaunuissa, christie- jne. joustava osa on perinteinen kierre- tai lehtijousi (kun tarpeeksi vanhaan mennään). Torsion bar tarkoittaa nimenomaan sauvaa, joka joustaa kiertymällä eikä taipumalla. Kuva wikistä:
vessaharjamies
Kapteeni
Kuten koitin jo ilmaista tämä mekaniikka ei ole se vahvin lajini. Minua kiinnostaa lähinnä erottaa nuo kaksi perustyyppiä eli sellaiset vaunut, joissa telaketju lepää suoraan pyörästön päällä (jota yksinkertaistaen uudemmissakin vaunuissa joskus christieksi kutsutaan) ja sitten se toinen tyyppi, jossa on ylempänä apupyörät telaketjua kannattelemassa (vickers). Sen lisäksi laskeskelen telapyöriä, niiden tyyppiä (esim T-64 vs T-72) ja niiden etäisyyksistä johdettavia helppoja muistisääntöjä (T-62 3+1+1, T-55 1+4, T-80 kaksi keskimmäistä lähempänä jne). Nämä on niitä asioita, joilla mielestäni on merkitystä tunnistamisen kannalta. Noita jousia harvemmin pääsee tarkastelemaan turvallisen matkan päästä...
Tähänkin postaukseen varmaan tuli monta virhettä mekaniikan asiantuntijan kannalta ajateltuna...menköön
.Joo, terminologia on oma juttunsa ja noi tunnistusmuistisäännöt omansa. Jonkun toisen kaverin tehtävän kannalta on tärkeämpi erottaa helmiäispilvi mantelipilvestä kuin T-80 T-84:stä...Kuten koitin jo ilmaista tämä mekaniikka ei ole se vahvin lajini. Minua kiinnostaa lähinnä erottaa nuo kaksi perustyyppiä eli sellaiset vaunut, joissa telaketju lepää suoraan pyörästön päällä (jota yksinkertaistaen uudemmissakin vaunuissa joskus christieksi kutsutaan) ja sitten se toinen tyyppi, jossa on ylempänä apupyörät telaketjua kannattelemassa (vickers). Sen lisäksi laskeskelen telapyöriä, niiden tyyppiä (esim T-64 vs T-72) ja niiden etäisyyksistä johdettavia helppoja muistisääntöjä (T-62 3+1+1, T-55 1+4, T-80 kaksi keskimmäistä lähempänä jne). Nämä on niitä asioita, joilla mielestäni on merkitystä tunnistamisen kannalta. Noita jousia harvemmin pääsee tarkastelemaan turvallisen matkan päästä...
Tähänkin postaukseen varmaan tuli monta virhettä mekaniikan asiantuntijan kannalta ajateltuna...menköön
Ei ollunna häirintälaitetta tai se ei vain toimi sivulta tulevaa ohjusta vastaan.
John Hilly
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Analysis: Syrian threats to attack Israel with Scud missiles are a bluff
ByAnna Ahronheim
March 26, 2017 19:40
Damascus threatened to launch Scud missiles at Israel if IAF carries out any further strikes.
An IDF soldier stands atop a tank near Alonei Habashan on the Golan Heights, close to the ceasefire line between Israel and Syria. (photo credit:REUTERS)
A warning from Damascus that the next Israeli airstrike on Syrian targets will be met with Scud missiles targeting both civilian and military bases is due to the regime of Bashar Assad needing to project strength as they continue to fight against rebels and the Islamic State.
Phillip Smyth, an analyst at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told The Jerusalem Post that "projecting the image that they can still retaliate against one of the region's strongest actors works on a rhetorical level."
The warning of Scuds fired on Israel was published on Saturday evening by Lebanon’s Al-Diyar newspaper, stating that Syria had sent Israel a message via Russia that Scud missiles would be fired towards Israeli targets if Israel carried out any further airstrikes in the war-torn country.
“This new situation was conveyed to Israel by the Russian leadership from the leadership of President Assad that the patience of Syria is running out. Despite a six-year war Syria is not weak and knows how to defend itself,” it said.
Al-Diyar stated that Damascus prepared 4 Scuds out of their arsenal of 800 Scud missiles which carry half a ton of explosives, and would launch them without any prior warning if Israel carries out any new strike “as Israel does not announce their raids against Syrian targets.”
According to the report, any strikes against Syrian military targets will be met with Scuds launched at IDF bases while any strikes against civilian infrastructure will be met with missiles fired at Haifa’s port and petrochemical plant.
Israel is reported to have targeted caches of Scud missiles in Syria several times over the past several years, but according to Smyth, to focus on Scuds “obscures the potential of other longer range, more advanced rockets coming into Hezbollah's possession. Scuds are a much older technology and wouldn't fare so well against Israel's Arrow missile system.”
According to Smyth, “the Assad regime has been facilitating advanced weapons transfers to Hezbollah for some time and even during the current conflict,” Smyth said, adding that “the worry is that Damascus would transfer a longer range rocket of some sort and then Hezbollah could use it when they needed it.”
Hezbollah is known to have various long and medium-range missile systems, including the Iranian-made Fajr-5, the M-600 rockets, Zeizal-2, and the shorter-range M75 and Katyushas. But according to a senior IDF officer in the IAF’s Air Defense Division, the terror group is continuously working and acquiring missiles with larger warheads and longer range.
The report comes after tension on the northern border reached a peak following an Israeli strike on a Hezbollah-bound weapons convoy and the firing of a SA-5 missile towards Israeli jets.
Following the strike, Syria’s ambassador to the UN Bashar al-Jaafari said Syria’s response “appropriate and in line with Israel’s terrorist operation,” and that Israel “will now think a million times before striking again.”
“Syria’s forceful response to the Israeli attacks changed the rules of the game,” Jaafari added.
Israel, which rarely comments on reports of military activity in Syria, publicly admitted that it struck Hezbollah targets in Syria, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying that strikes will continue when “we have information and operational feasibility.”
Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman also warned against any further launching of missiles by the Syrian regime, threatening to destroy Syrian air defenses and IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot warned that the Lebanese government would be held accountable for any attack by Hezbollah on Israel, whether it be from Lebanon or Syria.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...-Israel-with-Scud-missiles-are-a-bluff-485247
ByAnna Ahronheim
March 26, 2017 19:40
Damascus threatened to launch Scud missiles at Israel if IAF carries out any further strikes.
An IDF soldier stands atop a tank near Alonei Habashan on the Golan Heights, close to the ceasefire line between Israel and Syria. (photo credit:REUTERS)
A warning from Damascus that the next Israeli airstrike on Syrian targets will be met with Scud missiles targeting both civilian and military bases is due to the regime of Bashar Assad needing to project strength as they continue to fight against rebels and the Islamic State.
Phillip Smyth, an analyst at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told The Jerusalem Post that "projecting the image that they can still retaliate against one of the region's strongest actors works on a rhetorical level."
The warning of Scuds fired on Israel was published on Saturday evening by Lebanon’s Al-Diyar newspaper, stating that Syria had sent Israel a message via Russia that Scud missiles would be fired towards Israeli targets if Israel carried out any further airstrikes in the war-torn country.
“This new situation was conveyed to Israel by the Russian leadership from the leadership of President Assad that the patience of Syria is running out. Despite a six-year war Syria is not weak and knows how to defend itself,” it said.
Al-Diyar stated that Damascus prepared 4 Scuds out of their arsenal of 800 Scud missiles which carry half a ton of explosives, and would launch them without any prior warning if Israel carries out any new strike “as Israel does not announce their raids against Syrian targets.”
According to the report, any strikes against Syrian military targets will be met with Scuds launched at IDF bases while any strikes against civilian infrastructure will be met with missiles fired at Haifa’s port and petrochemical plant.
Israel is reported to have targeted caches of Scud missiles in Syria several times over the past several years, but according to Smyth, to focus on Scuds “obscures the potential of other longer range, more advanced rockets coming into Hezbollah's possession. Scuds are a much older technology and wouldn't fare so well against Israel's Arrow missile system.”
According to Smyth, “the Assad regime has been facilitating advanced weapons transfers to Hezbollah for some time and even during the current conflict,” Smyth said, adding that “the worry is that Damascus would transfer a longer range rocket of some sort and then Hezbollah could use it when they needed it.”
Hezbollah is known to have various long and medium-range missile systems, including the Iranian-made Fajr-5, the M-600 rockets, Zeizal-2, and the shorter-range M75 and Katyushas. But according to a senior IDF officer in the IAF’s Air Defense Division, the terror group is continuously working and acquiring missiles with larger warheads and longer range.
The report comes after tension on the northern border reached a peak following an Israeli strike on a Hezbollah-bound weapons convoy and the firing of a SA-5 missile towards Israeli jets.
Following the strike, Syria’s ambassador to the UN Bashar al-Jaafari said Syria’s response “appropriate and in line with Israel’s terrorist operation,” and that Israel “will now think a million times before striking again.”
“Syria’s forceful response to the Israeli attacks changed the rules of the game,” Jaafari added.
Israel, which rarely comments on reports of military activity in Syria, publicly admitted that it struck Hezbollah targets in Syria, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying that strikes will continue when “we have information and operational feasibility.”
Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman also warned against any further launching of missiles by the Syrian regime, threatening to destroy Syrian air defenses and IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot warned that the Lebanese government would be held accountable for any attack by Hezbollah on Israel, whether it be from Lebanon or Syria.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...-Israel-with-Scud-missiles-are-a-bluff-485247
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Analysis: Syrian threats to attack Israel with Scud missiles are a bluff
ByAnna Ahronheim
March 26, 2017 19:40
Damascus threatened to launch Scud missiles at Israel if IAF carries out any further strikes.
An IDF soldier stands atop a tank near Alonei Habashan on the Golan Heights, close to the ceasefire line between Israel and Syria. (photo credit:REUTERS)
A warning from Damascus that the next Israeli airstrike on Syrian targets will be met with Scud missiles targeting both civilian and military bases is due to the regime of Bashar Assad needing to project strength as they continue to fight against rebels and the Islamic State.
Phillip Smyth, an analyst at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told The Jerusalem Post that "projecting the image that they can still retaliate against one of the region's strongest actors works on a rhetorical level."
The warning of Scuds fired on Israel was published on Saturday evening by Lebanon’s Al-Diyar newspaper, stating that Syria had sent Israel a message via Russia that Scud missiles would be fired towards Israeli targets if Israel carried out any further airstrikes in the war-torn country.
“This new situation was conveyed to Israel by the Russian leadership from the leadership of President Assad that the patience of Syria is running out. Despite a six-year war Syria is not weak and knows how to defend itself,” it said.
Al-Diyar stated that Damascus prepared 4 Scuds out of their arsenal of 800 Scud missiles which carry half a ton of explosives, and would launch them without any prior warning if Israel carries out any new strike “as Israel does not announce their raids against Syrian targets.”
According to the report, any strikes against Syrian military targets will be met with Scuds launched at IDF bases while any strikes against civilian infrastructure will be met with missiles fired at Haifa’s port and petrochemical plant.
Israel is reported to have targeted caches of Scud missiles in Syria several times over the past several years, but according to Smyth, to focus on Scuds “obscures the potential of other longer range, more advanced rockets coming into Hezbollah's possession. Scuds are a much older technology and wouldn't fare so well against Israel's Arrow missile system.”
According to Smyth, “the Assad regime has been facilitating advanced weapons transfers to Hezbollah for some time and even during the current conflict,” Smyth said, adding that “the worry is that Damascus would transfer a longer range rocket of some sort and then Hezbollah could use it when they needed it.”
Hezbollah is known to have various long and medium-range missile systems, including the Iranian-made Fajr-5, the M-600 rockets, Zeizal-2, and the shorter-range M75 and Katyushas. But according to a senior IDF officer in the IAF’s Air Defense Division, the terror group is continuously working and acquiring missiles with larger warheads and longer range.
The report comes after tension on the northern border reached a peak following an Israeli strike on a Hezbollah-bound weapons convoy and the firing of a SA-5 missile towards Israeli jets.
Following the strike, Syria’s ambassador to the UN Bashar al-Jaafari said Syria’s response “appropriate and in line with Israel’s terrorist operation,” and that Israel “will now think a million times before striking again.”
“Syria’s forceful response to the Israeli attacks changed the rules of the game,” Jaafari added.
Israel, which rarely comments on reports of military activity in Syria, publicly admitted that it struck Hezbollah targets in Syria, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying that strikes will continue when “we have information and operational feasibility.”
Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman also warned against any further launching of missiles by the Syrian regime, threatening to destroy Syrian air defenses and IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot warned that the Lebanese government would be held accountable for any attack by Hezbollah on Israel, whether it be from Lebanon or Syria.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...-Israel-with-Scud-missiles-are-a-bluff-485247
Aika ajattelematonta puhetta, maa täydessä kaaoksessa ja silti uhitellaan alueen suurimmalle sotilasmahdille jolla lukuisia onnistumisia aiemmista sodista.
Sinänsä tämä ei ole uutta sillä koskapa arabimaista olisi löytynyt suuria strategeja
Yhtäläinen oikeus Syyrialla on ampua takaisin jos Israel iskee.Aika ajattelematonta puhetta, maa täydessä kaaoksessa ja silti uhitellaan alueen suurimmalle sotilasmahdille jolla lukuisia onnistumisia aiemmista sodista.
Sinänsä tämä ei ole uutta sillä koskapa arabimaista olisi löytynyt suuria strategeja
Toki hyöty on nolla mutta oikeutettua se on tästä huolimatta. Mahtaisiko muuten yksikään Scud päästä edes maaliinsa ennen kuin ilmapuolustus pudottaisi ne alas. Epäilen.
En tiedä "maalista", mutta osa saatettaisiin jättää ampumatta alas, koska se on tulossa alas asumattomalle alueelle. SCUD ei muistaakseni ollut erityisen tarkka peli Desert Stormin aikoihin. Tietenkin se tonnin taistelukärki pistää miettimään enemmän, että mikä lasketaan "asumattomaksi" alueeksi, se kun vaikuttaa hyvin kauas.
Aika ajattelematonta puhetta, maa täydessä kaaoksessa ja silti uhitellaan alueen suurimmalle sotilasmahdille jolla lukuisia onnistumisia aiemmista sodista.
Sinänsä tämä ei ole uutta sillä koskapa arabimaista olisi löytynyt suuria strategeja
Kummallista uhittelu, mutta kuuluu kulttuuriin
Toisaalta pistää myös Istaelin vähän ikävään paikkaan, jos jatkaa iskuja, saattaa Arrow joutua vähän kovempaan testiin ja Israel tiukemmin mukaan sotaan. Tämä voi triggeröidä taas yllättäviä kehityskulkuja, jos porukka huomaa, että ois yhteinen vihollinen tarjolla.
Jos Israel sen sijaan ei jatka iskuja, voidaan se katsoa heikkouden merkkinä, ei hyvä sekään. Todennäköisesti tässä tulee USA ja Venäjä väliin ja sitä kautta asiaan saadaan ratkaisu.
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En edes sanonut ettei olisi oikeutta puolustautua/iskeä takaisin mutta summasin onko se missään nimessä järkevää. Itsekin epäilen vahvasti päätyisikö yksikään scud läpi iron domen.