F-22 Raptor
- Viestiketjun aloittaja John Hilly
- Aloitus PVM
arcanine98
Kersantti
Kiitos artikkelista, oli kiinnostavaa luettavaa. On tuo YF-23 upea kone, mutta ei se F-22:aan yhtään pöllömpi ole. En ollut aikaisemmin törmännyt ajatukseen F-22:n tukialusversiosta ja oli pakko googletella kuvaa. Oi jospa vain olisivat tämän rakentaneet jo pelkästään ulkonäkösyistä.
Hurraa, melkein 15 vuotta Aim-9x:n käyttöönoton jälkeen se saadaan integroitua lopulta myös Raptoriin!
Jos joku ihmettelee, miksi näin myöhään. Ilmeisesti syynä se, että Raptor oli ensimmäinen sensorifuusiolla ja integroidulla avioniikalla varustettu kone. Hyvä niin, mutta vanhat järjestelmät, vanhat ohjelmointikielet ja vanhat arkitehtuurit johtivat siihen, että kokonaisuuden ylläpito osoittautunut todella haastavaksi. Ikävä koskea siihen spagettiin.
Aikaisemminhan se integroitiin jo niin, että näytti 9-maikin tietoja kuskille, jonka oli mahdollista ampua lonkalta, jos luotti että "kyllä se osuu, vaikka järjestelmä väittääkin vanhan ohjuksen tiedoilla, ettei vielä osu".
F-22 Raptor Fully Upgraded with the AIM-9X Sidewinder Missile
https://fightersweep.com/7427/f-22-raptor-fully-upgraded-aim-9x-sidewinder-missile/
Jos joku ihmettelee, miksi näin myöhään. Ilmeisesti syynä se, että Raptor oli ensimmäinen sensorifuusiolla ja integroidulla avioniikalla varustettu kone. Hyvä niin, mutta vanhat järjestelmät, vanhat ohjelmointikielet ja vanhat arkitehtuurit johtivat siihen, että kokonaisuuden ylläpito osoittautunut todella haastavaksi. Ikävä koskea siihen spagettiin.
Aikaisemminhan se integroitiin jo niin, että näytti 9-maikin tietoja kuskille, jonka oli mahdollista ampua lonkalta, jos luotti että "kyllä se osuu, vaikka järjestelmä väittääkin vanhan ohjuksen tiedoilla, ettei vielä osu".
F-22 Raptor Fully Upgraded with the AIM-9X Sidewinder Missile
https://fightersweep.com/7427/f-22-raptor-fully-upgraded-aim-9x-sidewinder-missile/
Einomies1
Respected Leader
Ja vielä legendaarisen VFA-103 "Jolly Rogersin" tunnuksissa..Kiitos artikkelista, oli kiinnostavaa luettavaa. On tuo YF-23 upea kone, mutta ei se F-22:aan yhtään pöllömpi ole. En ollut aikaisemmin törmännyt ajatukseen F-22:n tukialusversiosta ja oli pakko googletella kuvaa. Oi jospa vain olisivat tämän rakentaneet jo pelkästään ulkonäkösyistä.
Einomies1
Respected Leader
Jep, mutta Raptorissa ei vieläkään ole kypärätähtäintä jolla AIM-9X:tä saadaan kaikki hyöty irti....
Leaderwolf
Respected Leader
Täytyyhän sitä nyt vastustajalle jokin chäänssi edes antaa, tylsäähän se olisi jos tietäisi voittavansa vain ilmestymällä paikalle
"The F-22 was originally intended to have a helmet-mounted cueing system, but the service ran into trouble integrating the JHMCS onto the jet because of problems with magnetically mapping the interior of the Raptor’s cockpit when the aircraft was still under development. Because of the added expense and technical complexity, the Air Force abandoned the JHMCS integration efforts and the F-22 was left without a helmet-mounted cueing system."Täytyyhän sitä nyt vastustajalle jokin chäänssi edes antaa, tylsäähän se olisi jos tietäisi voittavansa vain ilmestymällä paikalle
https://news.usni.org/2014/05/16/air-force-evaluating-new-targeting-monocle-f-22-raptor
"Each cockpit has to be mapped out magnetically and a tracker that tracks the pilot’s head position inside in three dimensions needs to be installed. When looking forward at the aircraft’s Heads Up Display, the JHMCS projected symbology cuts out so that pilot can use the HUD for navigation and fine-targeting of certain weapon systems. This is especially useful for employing the fighter’s cannon using the HUDs highly-precise symbology, and it allows for slightly lower tracking tolerances for the JHMCS system."
"it became clear that it would take more resources to make it happen as the F-22s low observable treatments and design (even the cockpit!) were interfering with the process. With pressure mounting, the F-22 Program omitted the Helmet Mounted Sight requirement and moved on, hoping to deal with it shortly after the jet became operational in 2005.
This never happened. "
https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/why-its-sad-that-the-f-22-just-fired-its-first-guided-a-1704889474
“The S-400, S-300V4 and to a lesser degree the Pantsir batteries are a concern,” retired Lt. Gen. David Deptula—a former F-15C Eagle pilot and Air Force intelligence chief—told The National Interest. “And that is why some of us have been saying for over a decade now that low observability is key to successful operations and surviving in advanced integrated air defense environments.”
Airpower analysts too agreed that the Russian air defenses would be a serious problem during the early stages of any air campaign. “Initially, they would be a significant problem. If airstrikes launched on Syrian forces—which is still a big if—their air defenses would be among the first targets attacked,” Mark Gunzinger, a former B-52 pilot and senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments told The National Interest shortly before last week’s cruise missile strike. “Cruise missiles such as Tomahawks and JASSMs would probably be used to surprise S-400s and S-300V4s. There may be little need to use manned aircraft them against these threats, especially when other options exist to suppress them. I also suggest that an initial wave of standoff strikes would be launched by U.S. bombers operating from CONUS bases. That would reduce the likelihood—however remote—of counterstrikes against regional airbases used by U.S. forces, plus it would reduce political friction with regional partners hosting US air forces who would have to grant permission for offensive operations against Syria's military. Of course, F-22s and B-2s would have significant roles to play, especially if an operation was intended to be more than a short, sharp, shock.”
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...over-syria-lockheed-martin-f-22-stealth-20110
Tuosta voi ehkä päätellä jotain HX-tarpeista ja meidän JASSM-käytöstä.
Airpower analysts too agreed that the Russian air defenses would be a serious problem during the early stages of any air campaign. “Initially, they would be a significant problem. If airstrikes launched on Syrian forces—which is still a big if—their air defenses would be among the first targets attacked,” Mark Gunzinger, a former B-52 pilot and senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments told The National Interest shortly before last week’s cruise missile strike. “Cruise missiles such as Tomahawks and JASSMs would probably be used to surprise S-400s and S-300V4s. There may be little need to use manned aircraft them against these threats, especially when other options exist to suppress them. I also suggest that an initial wave of standoff strikes would be launched by U.S. bombers operating from CONUS bases. That would reduce the likelihood—however remote—of counterstrikes against regional airbases used by U.S. forces, plus it would reduce political friction with regional partners hosting US air forces who would have to grant permission for offensive operations against Syria's military. Of course, F-22s and B-2s would have significant roles to play, especially if an operation was intended to be more than a short, sharp, shock.”
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...over-syria-lockheed-martin-f-22-stealth-20110
Tuosta voi ehkä päätellä jotain HX-tarpeista ja meidän JASSM-käytöstä.
Kyllä on jenkkilänkin ilmavoimat ulapalla. Lukisivat tätä foorumia niin tietäisivät että häive menettää merkityksensä todennäköisesti jo tällä vuosikymmenellä
arcanine98
Kersantti
Juu, tuo taitaisi olla järkevin käyttö meilläkin. Tuossa jenkkikenraalin lainauksessa hymyilytti vain tuo "surprise"-sana, koska voi olla, että veli venäläinen ei olisi kovin yllättynyt, jos risteilyohjukisia sataisi nimenomaan noiden järjestemien niskaan.
Voi olla, että pataljoonan paraskuntoisimmat joutuvat puhallushommiin vielä ennen tositoimia:
http://www.militarydecoy.com/html/InflatableMissile/InflatableMissile-79.htm
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
F-22 Raptors Have Intercepted Russian Su-35s Near Alaska For the First Time
As tensions with the United States persist, Russia sends its most advanced fighter jets to join long-range patrols near Alaska.
BY JOSEPH TREVITHICKMAY 4, 2017
Underscoring ongoing tensions between the two countries, American F-22 Raptor stealth fighters have intercepted Russian Su-35S Flanker-E fighter jets as they escorted heavy bombers on mission near American air space. For reportedly the first time ever, Russia has added these advanced fighter jets to long-range bomber patrols near Alaska.
Lähde:http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...russian-su-35s-near-alaska-for-the-first-time
John Hilly
Ylipäällikkö
F-22 saa vihdoin ohjuspäivityksen.
http://warisboring.com/f-22-raptors-will-soon-be-able-to-kill-enemy-fighters-from-twice-as-far/
F-22s Will Soon Be Able to Kill Enemy Fighters From 50-Percent Farther
Upgrade finally allows for new missiles
WIB air May 9, 2017 Dave Majumdar
F-2214 U.S. Air Force19
Developmental testers at Edwards Air Force Base in California have completed testing on the F-22 Raptor’s Increment 3.2B upgrade. The new configuration will significantly boost the stealthy fifth-generation air superiority fighter’s already fearsome air-to-air capabilities.
As part of the final hurdle, F-22 Raptors assigned to the 411th Flight Test Squadron launched inert AIM-9X Sidewinder and AIM-120D AMRAAM air intercept missiles against multiple BQM-167A sub-scale aerial targets on April 18 over the Utah Test and Training Range. The test marks a “significant effort along the 3.2B developmental test and evaluation upgrade timeline” according to the Air Force.
“The shots at UTTR were the graduation live fire event of a two-year-long 3.2B upgrade,” Lt. Col. Randel Gordon, commander of the 411th FLTS, said. “The achievement of those shots is a huge technical accomplishment for the 412th Test Wing and 411th FLTS.”
The live missile shot was a particularly difficult and technically challenging event that was named after Chuck Norris, a 1980s-era action movie star. “We saved the best for last. This was the Chuck Norris shot,” Gordon said. “It was really a technically challenging shot and a graduation shot following two years of hard work. I’m deeply proud of those people in my squadron who made this happen.”
The Increment 3.2B hardware and software upgrade is one of the most significant improvements to the Raptor since the jet became operational in December 2005. Most significantly, the Increment 3.2B upgrade includes full AIM-9X Block 1 and Block 2 integration onto the Raptor. The current Increment 3.1/Upgrade 5 configuration only offers rudimentary AIM-9X Block 1 capability where the pilots see AIM-9M symbology in the cockpit.
F-22 Raptor. U.S. Air Force photo
Increment 3.2B fixes that problem with the Common Weapon Employment Zone and adds the new AIM-9X Block 2. The upgrade also includes the latest AIM-120D version of the venerable AMRAAM—which offers 50 percent greater range than previous versions of the weapon. Together, the upgrade greatly boosts the Raptor’s air-to-air prowess.
Additionally, the Increment 3.B upgrade adds an Enhanced Stores Management System for better future weapons integration and employment improvements. It also significantly enhances the Raptor’s Intra-Flight Data Link and adds much better electronic protection measures. Other improvements include greatly improved emitter geolocation capability for the Raptor’s AN/ALR-94 electronic support measures suite.
Increment 3.2B is scheduled to enter operational testing in the fourth quarter of this fiscal year—theoretically this July and August. It should start to be fielded operationally with frontline squadrons late next year. The addition of the AIM-9X helps to address one of the Raptor’s few deficiencies—due to budget cuts in the late 1990s, the Air Force deferred AIM-9X integration and deleted the F-22’s planned helmet-mounted cuing system.
Full AIM-9X integration greatly enhances the Raptor’s already formidable within visual range dogfighting capabilities. Even without a helmet-mounted cuing system, the AIM-9X is far more capable than the antiquated AIM-9M. But to fully exploit the outer edges of the new high off-boresight capabilities of the new Sidewinder variants, the Raptor will need a helmet-mounted cuing system.
Air Combat Command hopes to procure such a system for the Raptor that—if all goes well—should be fielded in the early 2020s.
http://warisboring.com/f-22-raptors-will-soon-be-able-to-kill-enemy-fighters-from-twice-as-far/
No, selvitys Raptorin tuotannon uudelleenkäynnistämisestä valmistui.
Study On Restarting F-22 Production Has Finally Arrived, Here's The Verdict
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...duction-has-finally-arrived-heres-the-verdict
Study On Restarting F-22 Production Has Finally Arrived, Here's The Verdict
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...duction-has-finally-arrived-heres-the-verdict
Polkaisisivatkin Raptor B käyntiin niin saataisiin loppusuoralle vielä aika messevä HX-kandidaatti. Vaan ei taitaisi ehtiä. Mutta poliitikot voisi hairahtua ottamaan ensin budjettiystävälliset vain 30kpl F35:sta ja sitten jenkkien kanssa deal jolla täydennetään seuraavassa vaiheessa tätä laivueella Raptoreita. Päiväunia.
Leaderwolf
Respected Leader
Yllätys että lentäjät eivät saisi saada sitä mikä on heille paras, vaan mikä on toimittavalle yhtiölle paras.
Tuo f22b olisi kyllä oikeasti oivallinen vaihtoehto meille.. niitä 40 kpl, siihen 80 kpl f35 ja 40 kpl super hornetteja cas tehtäviin..
Sekä luonnollisesti kunnon aseistus messiin...
Leaderwolf
Respected Leader
Kun puhdas vesi muuttuu öljyksi
ehkä 7-8th gen paikkeilla. Jos silloin sitten F-42...
John Hilly
Ylipäällikkö
Raptorin elinkaarta jatketaan vuoteen 2060 saakka. Ottavat tulevaisuudessa F-15C:n roolin.
Perinpohjainen juttu!
http://warisboring.com/the-u-s-air-force-now-wants-to-keep-the-f-22-flying-into-the-2060s/
Perinpohjainen juttu!
The U.S. Air Force Now Wants to Keep the F-22 Flying Into the 2060s
Stealth fighters will take the F-15C's place as a new jet enters service mid-century
WIB air June 29, 2017 Dave Majumdar
The U.S. Air Force is planning to keep the F-22A Raptor in service though 2060. To that end, the service is funding a series of upgrades that will keep the powerful fifth-generation air superiority fighter relevant for decades to come. Indeed, the Pentagon’s fiscal year 2018 budget request is a down payment towards that goal.
“We plan to retain the F-22 until the 2060 timeframe, meaning a sustained effort is required to counter advancing threats that specifically target its capabilities. The FY18 budget includes $624.5 million in RDT&E and $398.5 million in procurement towards this goal,” Lt. Gen. Arnold Bunch, military deputy to the Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, and Lt. Gen. Jerry Harris, deputy chief of staff for plans, programs and requirements, wrote in their written testimony before the House Armed Services Committee on June 7.
As Tom McIntyre, a program analyst for F-22 requirements at Air Combat Command, told me earlier, while the year 2060 came as a surprise to the Raptor community, the airframe will be structurally sound until at least that time.
“That came somewhat as a surprise to us,” McIntyre said. “We were not expecting 2060, but the F-22 program has a very robust structural integrity program known as ASIP [aircraft structural integrity program].”
Robust structure
The Raptor’s airframe is incredibly robust due to the Air Force’s extreme requirements for the design during the closing years of the Cold War. Though the F-22 was designed with an 8,000-hour airframe life, real life-flying experience shows that the jet can be safely flown without modifications out to 12,000 hours at the low-end and as many as 15,000 hours on the high-end.
“Way back in the late ’80s and early ’90s when we designed the F-22, we had about 10 design missions that we built the structure of the aircraft around,” McIntyre said.
“That’s what during EMD [engineering, manufacturing, development] we did the full scale testing on against those missions. We came to find out we have not been flying the Raptor nearly as hard as those design missions nor as what we found out during the structural testing, so actually the airframe itself—without any service life extension program—is good out to approximately 2060.”
Nor is corrosion a factor as has been the case on the U.S. Navy’s F/A-18 Hornets. Most of the issues that the Air Force found on the Raptor were related to galvanic corrosion due to the aircraft’s stealth material. But none of the corrosion was on the critical airframe structures of the aircraft, McIntyre noted.
In any case, the Air Force is taking action—which is to replace a particular conductive stealth coating—to eliminate the corrosion problem on the Raptor. “Those corrective actions are currently being done at the depot at Hill Air Force Base,” McIntyre said.
“We’re also adding modifications to avoid future corrosion and all of those mods should be completed about mid-2020.”
An F-22 Raptor under a sun shelter at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Va. in June 2017. U.S. Air Force photo
Tooling
Moreover, the Air Force is auditing the Sierra Army Depot to make sure that the F-22 manufacturing tooling is secure. The audit is 85 percent complete and thus far all of the tooling has been found. Earlier, some Air Force officials had expressed concerns that the equipment had been misplaced—however, those concerns were unfounded, as it turns out.
“When you store 40,000 tools in a bunch of Connexes, it’s probably like my garage, I know something is out in it, but it takes me a while sometimes to find it,” McIntyre said. “They’ve found no issues with finding any of the tooling.”
As for restarting the F-22 production line, that is a non-starter for the Air Force.
“The Air Force has no plans to restart the F-22 production line because it wouldn’t make economic or operational sense to do so,” Maj. Carrie Kessler, a spokeswoman for Air Combat Command said.
An F-22 over the Gulf of Mexico in April 2017. U.S. Air Force photo
The Raptor in 2060
Given that the F-22 airframe will easily make it to 2060, the main question centers on what the Air Force can do to keep the Raptor tactically relevant into the later part of the 21st century. The Air Force does not yet have an answer to that question, but it does have a plan to keep the Raptor relevant to the 2030s.
“We don’t have a crystal ball that goes out to 2060,” McIntyre said.
“Our organization is working the requirements for the F-22 to keep it operationally relevant for obtaining and maintaining air superiority between now and 2030.”
Potential adversaries such as Russia and China are designing measures to defeat the Raptor and American air superiority writ large. What might happen is that the F-22 would partner with a new fighter, the sixth-generation Penetrating Counter Air [PCA], in a teaming arrangement similar to today’s partnership between fourth and fifth-generation aircraft.
The Raptor would take the place of the F-15C Eagle as the lower-tier of a high-low mix with the PCA forming the upper-tier.
“When the PCA comes online, it will be designed to operate and be interoperable with fifth-generation aircraft such as the F-22 and F-35,” McIntyre said.
“There will come a time whether it is 2030, 2040 or 2050 when the F-22 will be kind of like a fourth-generation aircraft today.”
Nonetheless, based on the threats the Air Force sees becoming operational in 2019-2020, the service is looking at planning future upgrades for the F-22—however those discussions are classified.
“Following those, at some point in time, because the Raptor is going to be around a long time, we are looking at something that is tentatively known as mid-life update.”
That mid-life upgrade will likely mean new computer hardware and new avionics such as modernized radars and antennas.
“Sometime between 2025 and 2030 we’re going to have to take a serious look at the supportability of some of the systems onboard the Raptor and upgrading those,” McIntyre said.
“We’re currently in the very early stage of looking at that.”
F-22s over Charlottesville, Va. in June 2017. U.S. Air Force photo
Immediate future
The Air Force is investing in keeping the Raptor ready for near term threats too. Increment 3.2B—which adds full integration of the AIM-9X Sidewinder and the AIM-120D AMRAAM and a host of other upgrades—will be entering operational testing this summer before it starts to be fielded in fiscal year 2019. There is also a software only modification called Update 6 which will be fielded simultaneously that modernizes the Raptor’s cryptography, McIntyre said.
A more significant modernization effort after Update 6 is the Raptor’s TACLink-16 effort that will add Link-16 transmit capability to the F-22 in 2021. The Air Force—after resisting incorporating the omni-directional Link-16 datalink for years—is finally adding a transmit function to the Raptor. The reason is that as the service has gained more experience in operating the stealth aircraft, it has learned many operational lessons.
“As we are finding out, the F-22 overall from a tactical employment standpoint is not afraid of operating with Link-16 transmit on almost all the time,” McIntyre said.
“Over time as we have learned more about the aircraft, the smart men and women flying it have developed tactics and found that some of our early concerns with Link-16 transmit were unfounded.”
The Air Force had considered much newer and much more capable datalinks for the Raptor such as the F-35’s Multi-Function Advanced Datalink and the Navy’s high-speed, high-bandwidth Tactical Targeting Network Technologies, but McIntyre said that he is not the expert on that particular aspect of the Raptor program and, thus, is not comfortable discussing that decision. But he did discuss why the Air Force is not relying only on the Talon HATE datalink pod on the F-15C to retransmit information from the Raptor to the rest of the fleet.
“That is a capability that is only going to be fielded on a very limited number of F-15 aircraft,” McIntyre said.
“Unless you’re operating with a very limited number of F-15 aircraft you would not be able to share the tactical picture the F-22 is able to gather with its sensors.”
But the TACLink-16 program includes more than just the addition of the new data-link capability. The Air Force intends to fill the remaining empty avionics bays onboard the Raptor—the jet has three bays in total—with an open mission systems architecture as the foundation for future F-22 upgrades.
“The OMS is an enabler for all future F-22 modernization,” McIntyre said.
“You can kind of think of it—it’s grossly oversimplified—like it’s an iPhone that you can add applications to.”
Immediately following the TACLink project is TACMAN—or Tactical Mandates—which features the Pentagon’s mandatory Mode 5 Identification, Friend or Foe upgrade for both the interrogation and transmission functions. The upgrade also features advanced combat identification and electronic protection features, McIntyre said.
“That will follow in 2022, so you see we kinda got an bang, bang right after TACLink-16 with TACMAN,” McIntyre said.
Another piece of good news for Raptor pilots—which is enabled by OMS—is that the F-22 will finally receive a helmet–mounted cueing systems to exploit the outer edges of the AIM-9X weapons employment zone. Development and integration of the HMCS are scheduled to start next year in 2018. The new system will be fielded in 2021 if all goes as planned. The Air Force has not picked which HMCS it will choose yet, but there should be down selection in the next year or so, McIntyre said.
“The key enabler is the OMS,” McIntyre said.
With the addition of the HMCS, the Raptor will almost be the aircraft that was originally promised to the Air Force when the Advanced Tactical Fighter program was awarded to Lockheed so many years ago.
http://warisboring.com/the-u-s-air-force-now-wants-to-keep-the-f-22-flying-into-the-2060s/