Panssarintorjunta
- Viestiketjun aloittaja Second
- Aloitus PVM
Falangi
Kenraali
Oli tähtäin katolla ja on vieläkin. Vuonna 2011 ranskalaiset iskivät Libyaan Gaddafin joukkoja vastaan mm. Gazelle HOT-hekoilla ja ilmeisesti ihan menestyksekkäästi. Uudemmissa versioissa katolla lienee myös lämppäri, joka helpottaa maalinpaikannusta ja yöllä operoimista.
Epäilemättä, mutta komannessa maailmansodassa olisi ollut niin paljon juttua liikkeellä, että kaikki muutkin olisi ottaneet ihan samalla tapaa tappiota. Kysymys vaan kuuluu, että mitä siinä samalla oltaisiin saatu aikaiseksi?
kertakenttään
Ylipäällikkö
Kyllä, käytännössä sama vehje, mutta polakit tuntee sen Piratina ja ukrainalaiset Corsarina.
proileri
Kenraali
Puhumattakaan niistä missä tähtäin on mastossa roottorin yläpuolella. Verkottumiskyky tuo kivoja tulenjohto-ominaisuuksia.
Kuvassa Kiowa, nyky-Apachessa taitaa maston päällä olla millimetritutkan donitsi.
Apache on muistaakseni suunniteltu ensisijaisesti "liikkuvaan taistelutapaan" panssarintorjuntakopteriksi, ei niinkään lentäväksi hyökkäysvaunuksi. Itä-Saksasta länteen rullaavia panssarilauttoja niillä oli tarkoitus ahdistella.
Viimeksi muokattu:
kimmo.j
Respected Leader
Jep, meidän maalitapauksessa kopteri http://maavoimat.fi/md500 leijui vielä latvojen päällä. Silti ei nähty.
Mutta toimi toisinpäin? He näkivät teidät?
kimmo.j
Respected Leader
Näkivät, mutta kuinka hyvin/helposti en osaa sanoa.
Toisaalta emme edes erityisesti yrittäneet olla piilossa, vaunuissa saattoi olla irtonaamiointi (ei pysty muistamaan), mutta emme erityisesti olleet hyvässä asemassa.
Harjoituksen tarkoitus oli enemmänkin osoittaa meille kopterin vaikea havaittavuus.
Itse missä olen osunut pörräävään kopteriin tankilla on ollut flashpoint pelissä ja sekin muutaman yrityksen jälkeen kun heidän reittinsä tuli selville ja pääsi yllättämään. Olkapääohjustimella sama suoritus on paljon helpompi.
Toinen missä tulee tankki vs kopteri on Brittien helikopteri kuskin tarina Irakin Toisen Sodan aikaan, kun he leikkivät hippaa taloihin jemmautuneen t72sen kanssa pitkän aikaa. Syyrian videoista ollaan nähty että ei se lankaohjattava puikko ole vauhdilla pilattu. Tankin ammus on nopeampi. Varsinkin se alikali.
Onko ne käynyt kopioimassa Spiken?
Kiinalaisten "nettikansalaisten" mukaan iippojen kanssa kehitetty systeemi eli periaatteessa Israelilaisen Spike NLOSIN isoveli. Israelilaiset varmaankin kiistäisivat asian, mutta noiden valtioiden touhut tuntien veikkaisin nettikansalaisten olevan oikeassa.
John Hilly
Ylipäällikkö
Rafael julkistanut 5. sukupolven Spiken.
Israeli defense company unveils 5th-generation Spike missile
ByAnna Ahronheim
May 29, 2017 17:45
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems says the missile is designed for use against new modern targets with a low signature and time-sensitive characteristics.
Spike LR II system. (photo credit:RAFAEL ADVANCED DEFENSE SYSTEMS)
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems has unveiled its fifth-generation Spike multipurpose missile with a significant increase in range and lethality.
According to a statement released Monday by the company, the Spike LR II “is an advanced multipurpose missile, weighing only 12.7 kg., and can be launched from any Spike launcher.” It has a range of 5.5 km. when fired from ground launchers and up to 10 km. when fired from a helicopter.
The Spike LR II, which can be fired from vehicles, helicopters, ships and ground launchers, has advanced electro-optic seekers which include capabilities of a smart target tracker with artificial intelligence features.
Designed for use against new modern targets with a low signature and time-sensitive characteristics, the missile also includes new third-party target allocation (networked-enabled) enhancement with an embedded inertial measurement unit assembly, which allows the missiles to be fired to grid target coordinates, including advanced armor and protection systems. It is one of the only missiles in the world with this capability.
The Spike LR II also has two advanced warhead configurations for increased lethality, the company said. The Tandem HEAT warhead configuration ups the armor penetration capability of the missile by over 30% and the new multipurpose blast warhead, which includes controlled fusing (by the gunner) for control of the desired effect.
“The development of the Spike LR II is based on Rafael’s vast experience in the development of a wide variety of missiles over the years, and was largely possible due to Rafael’s close cooperation with the users at the IDF and other militaries around the world,” said Moshe Elazar, executive vice president and head of Rafael’s land and naval systems division.
The Spike LR II missile, which Elazar says addresses the complex challenges of the modern battlefield, will be presented for the first time at the Paris Air Show in June.
Rafael has three missiles in the Spike family, Spike NLOS, Spike ER, Spike MR/LR and Spike SR, and has supplied over 27,000 Spike missiles and systems to over 26 countries, including to the Philippines, Lithuania, Australia and India, where they are used by armies on various naval and land system platforms.
In March an Israel Navy unmanned vessel fired a Spike interceptor missile from a Protector unmanned surface vehicle during a test by Rafael systems. According to the company, the model’s missiles can intercept rocket-propelled grenades and other incoming projectiles.
“This new capability allows pinpoint attack of land or naval targets, enabling safe vessel operation, with no risk to the operating force, from a remote command and control room or from aboard other naval platforms,” read a statement by Rafael.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israeli-defense-company-unveils-5th-generation-Spike-missile-494245
Israeli defense company unveils 5th-generation Spike missile
ByAnna Ahronheim
May 29, 2017 17:45
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems says the missile is designed for use against new modern targets with a low signature and time-sensitive characteristics.
Spike LR II system. (photo credit:RAFAEL ADVANCED DEFENSE SYSTEMS)
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems has unveiled its fifth-generation Spike multipurpose missile with a significant increase in range and lethality.
According to a statement released Monday by the company, the Spike LR II “is an advanced multipurpose missile, weighing only 12.7 kg., and can be launched from any Spike launcher.” It has a range of 5.5 km. when fired from ground launchers and up to 10 km. when fired from a helicopter.
The Spike LR II, which can be fired from vehicles, helicopters, ships and ground launchers, has advanced electro-optic seekers which include capabilities of a smart target tracker with artificial intelligence features.
Designed for use against new modern targets with a low signature and time-sensitive characteristics, the missile also includes new third-party target allocation (networked-enabled) enhancement with an embedded inertial measurement unit assembly, which allows the missiles to be fired to grid target coordinates, including advanced armor and protection systems. It is one of the only missiles in the world with this capability.
The Spike LR II also has two advanced warhead configurations for increased lethality, the company said. The Tandem HEAT warhead configuration ups the armor penetration capability of the missile by over 30% and the new multipurpose blast warhead, which includes controlled fusing (by the gunner) for control of the desired effect.
“The development of the Spike LR II is based on Rafael’s vast experience in the development of a wide variety of missiles over the years, and was largely possible due to Rafael’s close cooperation with the users at the IDF and other militaries around the world,” said Moshe Elazar, executive vice president and head of Rafael’s land and naval systems division.
The Spike LR II missile, which Elazar says addresses the complex challenges of the modern battlefield, will be presented for the first time at the Paris Air Show in June.
Rafael has three missiles in the Spike family, Spike NLOS, Spike ER, Spike MR/LR and Spike SR, and has supplied over 27,000 Spike missiles and systems to over 26 countries, including to the Philippines, Lithuania, Australia and India, where they are used by armies on various naval and land system platforms.
In March an Israel Navy unmanned vessel fired a Spike interceptor missile from a Protector unmanned surface vehicle during a test by Rafael systems. According to the company, the model’s missiles can intercept rocket-propelled grenades and other incoming projectiles.
“This new capability allows pinpoint attack of land or naval targets, enabling safe vessel operation, with no risk to the operating force, from a remote command and control room or from aboard other naval platforms,” read a statement by Rafael.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israeli-defense-company-unveils-5th-generation-Spike-missile-494245
kertakenttään
Ylipäällikkö
Rafael julkistanut 5. sukupolven Spiken.
Israeli defense company unveils 5th-generation Spike missile
ByAnna Ahronheim
May 29, 2017 17:45
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems says the missile is designed for use against new modern targets with a low signature and time-sensitive characteristics.
Spike LR II system. (photo credit:RAFAEL ADVANCED DEFENSE SYSTEMS)
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems has unveiled its fifth-generation Spike multipurpose missile with a significant increase in range and lethality.
According to a statement released Monday by the company, the Spike LR II “is an advanced multipurpose missile, weighing only 12.7 kg., and can be launched from any Spike launcher.” It has a range of 5.5 km. when fired from ground launchers and up to 10 km. when fired from a helicopter.
The Spike LR II, which can be fired from vehicles, helicopters, ships and ground launchers, has advanced electro-optic seekers which include capabilities of a smart target tracker with artificial intelligence features.
Designed for use against new modern targets with a low signature and time-sensitive characteristics, the missile also includes new third-party target allocation (networked-enabled) enhancement with an embedded inertial measurement unit assembly, which allows the missiles to be fired to grid target coordinates, including advanced armor and protection systems. It is one of the only missiles in the world with this capability.
The Spike LR II also has two advanced warhead configurations for increased lethality, the company said. The Tandem HEAT warhead configuration ups the armor penetration capability of the missile by over 30% and the new multipurpose blast warhead, which includes controlled fusing (by the gunner) for control of the desired effect.
“The development of the Spike LR II is based on Rafael’s vast experience in the development of a wide variety of missiles over the years, and was largely possible due to Rafael’s close cooperation with the users at the IDF and other militaries around the world,” said Moshe Elazar, executive vice president and head of Rafael’s land and naval systems division.
The Spike LR II missile, which Elazar says addresses the complex challenges of the modern battlefield, will be presented for the first time at the Paris Air Show in June.
Rafael has three missiles in the Spike family, Spike NLOS, Spike ER, Spike MR/LR and Spike SR, and has supplied over 27,000 Spike missiles and systems to over 26 countries, including to the Philippines, Lithuania, Australia and India, where they are used by armies on various naval and land system platforms.
In March an Israel Navy unmanned vessel fired a Spike interceptor missile from a Protector unmanned surface vehicle during a test by Rafael systems. According to the company, the model’s missiles can intercept rocket-propelled grenades and other incoming projectiles.
“This new capability allows pinpoint attack of land or naval targets, enabling safe vessel operation, with no risk to the operating force, from a remote command and control room or from aboard other naval platforms,” read a statement by Rafael.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israeli-defense-company-unveils-5th-generation-Spike-missile-494245
MMPn saa myös ammuttua koordinaattipisteeseen. Vissiin tämä uusi LR vastaa muutenkin MMPtä suorituskyvyltään. Mikä lie hinta?
Soldierblue
Ylipäällikkö
Onko se tätä mitä Suomi hakee?, muistan että luki että Maavoimat haluavat ostaa uuden sukupolven panssaritorjuntaohjusta....tässä hän se onRafael julkistanut 5. sukupolven Spiken.
Israeli defense company unveils 5th-generation Spike missile
ByAnna Ahronheim
May 29, 2017 17:45
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems says the missile is designed for use against new modern targets with a low signature and time-sensitive characteristics.
Spike LR II system. (photo credit:RAFAEL ADVANCED DEFENSE SYSTEMS)
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems has unveiled its fifth-generation Spike multipurpose missile with a significant increase in range and lethality.
According to a statement released Monday by the company, the Spike LR II “is an advanced multipurpose missile, weighing only 12.7 kg., and can be launched from any Spike launcher.” It has a range of 5.5 km. when fired from ground launchers and up to 10 km. when fired from a helicopter.
The Spike LR II, which can be fired from vehicles, helicopters, ships and ground launchers, has advanced electro-optic seekers which include capabilities of a smart target tracker with artificial intelligence features.
Designed for use against new modern targets with a low signature and time-sensitive characteristics, the missile also includes new third-party target allocation (networked-enabled) enhancement with an embedded inertial measurement unit assembly, which allows the missiles to be fired to grid target coordinates, including advanced armor and protection systems. It is one of the only missiles in the world with this capability.
The Spike LR II also has two advanced warhead configurations for increased lethality, the company said. The Tandem HEAT warhead configuration ups the armor penetration capability of the missile by over 30% and the new multipurpose blast warhead, which includes controlled fusing (by the gunner) for control of the desired effect.
“The development of the Spike LR II is based on Rafael’s vast experience in the development of a wide variety of missiles over the years, and was largely possible due to Rafael’s close cooperation with the users at the IDF and other militaries around the world,” said Moshe Elazar, executive vice president and head of Rafael’s land and naval systems division.
The Spike LR II missile, which Elazar says addresses the complex challenges of the modern battlefield, will be presented for the first time at the Paris Air Show in June.
Rafael has three missiles in the Spike family, Spike NLOS, Spike ER, Spike MR/LR and Spike SR, and has supplied over 27,000 Spike missiles and systems to over 26 countries, including to the Philippines, Lithuania, Australia and India, where they are used by armies on various naval and land system platforms.
In March an Israel Navy unmanned vessel fired a Spike interceptor missile from a Protector unmanned surface vehicle during a test by Rafael systems. According to the company, the model’s missiles can intercept rocket-propelled grenades and other incoming projectiles.
“This new capability allows pinpoint attack of land or naval targets, enabling safe vessel operation, with no risk to the operating force, from a remote command and control room or from aboard other naval platforms,” read a statement by Rafael.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israeli-defense-company-unveils-5th-generation-Spike-missile-494245
kertakenttään
Ylipäällikkö
Tämä tai MMP on ainoat uuden sukupolven vaihtoehdot, joten ei vaikeaa arvata kumpi.
ak.tied
Respected Leader
Spike II puolesta puhuisi se, että yllä olevan mukaan ohjus on yhteensopiva vanhojen laukaisimien kanssa. Spikeä on kyllä kehitetty fiksusti siten, ettei tarvitse päivittää koko järjestelmää aina uudestaan.
Mites tämä pitäisi ymmärtää? Ohjuksen voi laukaista koordinaatteihin (NLOS) ja kolmas osapuoli voi ottaa terminaalivaiheen haltuunsa ja antaa ohjukselle varsinaisen maalin?
Ainakin tuo ensimmäinen pitää minusta paikkansa. Sen sijaan en kyllä saa tuosta selväksi, että voiko tuolla maalialueella joku ottaa yhteyden ohjukseen ja antaa sille komentoja vai onko maalin löytyminen koordinaattien tarkkuuden ja ohjuksen oman tietotekniikan varassa.