Nick Kane
Majuri
no helkatti, nyt olen minäkn samaa mieltä, ihan turhaan Ukrainaa tähän sekoitetaan koska voisi tätä mestari strategiaa toteuttaa ihan mahtavasti kotimaisin kätösinkin omalla tontilla ilmatteeks
Suuri osa Venäjän ihan arkisesta ilmatilan valvonnasta on näiden tutkavalvontakoneiden varassa, koska maahan sijoitettuja tutkia ei ole läheskään tarpeeksi valvomaan kaikkia alueita. Eli jos tutkavalvontakoneet loppuvat, niin melko iso osa Venäjän ilmatilasta muuttuu sellaiseksi, että siellä pystyy hääräämään kuka vaan ilman suurempaa pelkoa kiinnijäämisestä.
stunt cock
Luutnantti
Mielestäni paras hyöty tankeista saadaan noissa ukrainan olosuhteissa, kun tankeja käytetään taitavasti yhteistoiminnassa dronejen ja FPV-dronejen kanssa. Miten tuon tilannetietoisuuden saisi parhaiten välitettyä tankien miehistöille on vaikeus. Taitavissa käsissä tuolla tankkien ja dronejen yhteistyöllä varmasti saadaa paras teho mitattua ulos tankeista.
Antares
Respected Leader
Puolalainen Dawid Kamizela yrittää hakea tähän tapaukseen jotain tolkkua:
Let's try to summarize what we know (and we know little and mainly based on the video below).
- at least one large military machine (flares) and possibly two (explosion outside the center of the frame) were shot down over the city of Yeysk, located approximately 220 km from the front line.
- the crew of this machine KNEW that "something" wanted to kill it, this is evidenced by the thrown flares (and probably along with them, invisible dipoles)
What does this tell us?
The fact that this machine had to be "pinned down"/irradiated with a radar beam, and not just any radar beam, but one with dangerous characteristics
What I'm getting at is that no one will make panicky movements and run away while being radiated by the long-range air surveillance radar, no, it must have been a surprising emission on appropriately short wavelengths (X) which is the "signature" of the fire control/seeker radar
This significantly narrows down the group of suspects:
- ground system with a powerful fire control radar and long-range surface-to-air missiles (Standard SM-2/SM-6? Or some other missile modified and guided on a "gliding" trajectory, but which one?)
- a plane, but again, with a very very far-flying "arrow" (i.e. SM-2, ESSM, Meteor?) so as not to be not only detected but also intercepted by the Russian air patrol on the Su-35/MiG-31.
Possible, but the level of complexity is higher compared to the land-based option. Where can I get accurate and up-to-date information about the location of the A-50 that will be transmitted to the missile just before launch?
On-board radar is useless at such a distance, how to transmit qualitative information from the ground?
I consider the options above to be the most likely. The third one that I would have laughed at recently... is a stealth plane.
Not F-22 or F-35... but in some abstract crazy scenario, an "obsolete" F-117 with AMRAAM/Meteor and radar on board?
I give her a solid 2%
Let's try to summarize what we know (and we know little and mainly based on the video below).
- at least one large military machine (flares) and possibly two (explosion outside the center of the frame) were shot down over the city of Yeysk, located approximately 220 km from the front line.
- the crew of this machine KNEW that "something" wanted to kill it, this is evidenced by the thrown flares (and probably along with them, invisible dipoles)
What does this tell us?
The fact that this machine had to be "pinned down"/irradiated with a radar beam, and not just any radar beam, but one with dangerous characteristics
What I'm getting at is that no one will make panicky movements and run away while being radiated by the long-range air surveillance radar, no, it must have been a surprising emission on appropriately short wavelengths (X) which is the "signature" of the fire control/seeker radar
This significantly narrows down the group of suspects:
- ground system with a powerful fire control radar and long-range surface-to-air missiles (Standard SM-2/SM-6? Or some other missile modified and guided on a "gliding" trajectory, but which one?)
- a plane, but again, with a very very far-flying "arrow" (i.e. SM-2, ESSM, Meteor?) so as not to be not only detected but also intercepted by the Russian air patrol on the Su-35/MiG-31.
Possible, but the level of complexity is higher compared to the land-based option. Where can I get accurate and up-to-date information about the location of the A-50 that will be transmitted to the missile just before launch?
On-board radar is useless at such a distance, how to transmit qualitative information from the ground?
I consider the options above to be the most likely. The third one that I would have laughed at recently... is a stealth plane.
Not F-22 or F-35... but in some abstract crazy scenario, an "obsolete" F-117 with AMRAAM/Meteor and radar on board?
I give her a solid 2%
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Leaderwolf
Respected Leader
No edes minä en olisi päätynyt Nighthawkiin
missileman
Kenraali
Jos tuo on pudotuspaikalta niin kyllä nuo osat A-50:een sopii
Harvapartio
Majuri
Taas yksi kärpänen liiskattu?
Nick Kane
Majuri
1 hölmö taas nojatuolista huutelee, Videosta pääteltynä mutulla ei ihan taida mittasuhteet täsmätä suhteessa aitoon vehkeeseen tai sitten olen liian A-50 tonttiin humussa, sitä en tiedä mikä ryssän suristin tuossa esiintyy mutta kaveri tepastelee raadon ympärillä ja jossain kohtaa osa kinttuakin vilahtaa eikä nyt kyllä mitenkään täsmää mun tajuntaan mitkään hahmoteltavissa olevat mittasuhteet tai sitten tuo Il-76 on olettamaani paljon pienempi (salaista käkisalmen häivetekniikkaa ?)
noh täältä ja tähän taas tällä kertaa, jatkakaa
Muoks. noh missileman kyllä todisti pari viestiä aiemmin ajatukseni ihan pölöiksi, eipä tullut tuo pyrstön osa erillisenä edes mieleeni, Kiitos valistuksesta / en jaksa poistaa koko viestiäni pikku häpeästä huolimatta
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Antares
Respected Leader
Panssarivaunuista paljon tietävä Chung-Tzu kertoi arvionsa Ukrainan varastovaunujen määrästä (aihioiden määrä toki, koska kaikki eivät välttämättä ole aktivoitavissa - sama juttu kuin ryssällä siis):
Still relying on The Military Balance, are we?
It's also complete bullshit.
I can tell you what they officially had in service at the start of the war: 723 (85 of which were Bulats)
1574 - 40 export - 723 in service would leave around 800 in storage/training at the start of 2014.
Officially acknowledged permanent losses (2014-2016): 79. LostArmour claims: 169 destroyed + 22 captured.
So the reserve of tanks left would be between 600-700.
Some of the losses were probably T-64As, known to have been used in combat, as well as T-72s, which began appearing at the end of 2014.
T-64A and T-64B are mostly identical hull-wise, so that would include another 750-800 hulls that can potentially be reused
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Hän selventää näkemystään Military Balancen osalta, häneltä kysyttiin näin: Tzu this is in your wheelhouse how far off is Military Balance?
Johon Chung-Tzu vastasi näin: In storage, we can estimate based on losses + pre-2014 figures: ~600-800 T-64Bs, 800 T-64As, 400 T-72s in storage = 1,800-2,000, some of which have been returned to service since 2014
Johon alkuperäinen kommentoija vastasi näin: Thanks I know Military Balance is a lazy man's tool, that has no basis in reality.
Johon Chung-Tzu vastasi näin: They're mostly just guessing, which is as good as it gets for somewhere like Somalia, but for some countries like Ukraine or Russia there is enough information out there if you are willing to look.
Still relying on The Military Balance, are we?
It's also complete bullshit.
I can tell you what they officially had in service at the start of the war: 723 (85 of which were Bulats)
1574 - 40 export - 723 in service would leave around 800 in storage/training at the start of 2014.
Officially acknowledged permanent losses (2014-2016): 79. LostArmour claims: 169 destroyed + 22 captured.
So the reserve of tanks left would be between 600-700.
Some of the losses were probably T-64As, known to have been used in combat, as well as T-72s, which began appearing at the end of 2014.
T-64A and T-64B are mostly identical hull-wise, so that would include another 750-800 hulls that can potentially be reused
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Hän selventää näkemystään Military Balancen osalta, häneltä kysyttiin näin: Tzu this is in your wheelhouse how far off is Military Balance?
Johon Chung-Tzu vastasi näin: In storage, we can estimate based on losses + pre-2014 figures: ~600-800 T-64Bs, 800 T-64As, 400 T-72s in storage = 1,800-2,000, some of which have been returned to service since 2014
Johon alkuperäinen kommentoija vastasi näin: Thanks I know Military Balance is a lazy man's tool, that has no basis in reality.
Johon Chung-Tzu vastasi näin: They're mostly just guessing, which is as good as it gets for somewhere like Somalia, but for some countries like Ukraine or Russia there is enough information out there if you are willing to look.
MuoviSotilas
Korpraali
Moro.
Mutta miinat tuovat kyllä melkoisen kulmakertoimen. Mielestäni tämä droneaika tarvitsee vielä aikaa ja paljon analyysejä. Homma on muuttunut ihan täysin.
lsoviha
Majuri
Ja sieltä:
US targets Russia with more than 500 new sanctions
US targets Russia with more than 500 new sanctions
The new restrictions are related to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the death of Alexei Navalny.
www.bbc.com
US targets Russia with more than 500 new sanctions
The new restrictions are related to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the death of Alexei Navalny.
www.bbc.com
These include measures against Russia's main card payment system, financial and military institutions, and officials involved in Navalny's imprisonment.
The EU has also announced new sanctions on access to military technology.
The newly-announced US measures also include nearly 100 firms and individuals which will also face export restrictions.
Others target the state-owned operator of Mir, Russia's main payment system, which has become more prominent since Visa and Mastercard suspended their services there.
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laaja-alainen paketti maksuliikenteen eristämiseksi muusta maailmasta ja tilkitään muutamia reikiä sotilasmateriaalin osalta. Lisäksi henkilöpakotteita niille, jotka ovat olleet tavalla tai toisella osallisia Navalnyn kohtelussa.
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Katon tuota sanoman kolmetuntista Ukraina- tilaisuutta IS:n sivuilta. Hyvä kuunnella Paanasta kun sanoo kyllä ihan suoraan miten asiat on.
www.is.fi
Katso Ilta-Sanomien suuri Ukraina-tilaisuus kokonaisuudessaan täältä
Venäjä käynnisti kaksi vuotta sitten Ukrainaan julman hyökkäyssodan, jota ei saa unohtaa. Ilta-Sanomat järjesti sodan vuosipäivän aattona tapahtuman, jossa kuultiin kiinnostavia keskustelijoita sekä hyvin korkeatasoisia ja koskettavia musiikkiesityksiä.
www.is.fi
No tuo on melkein yhtä hyvä arvio kuin F-117 pudottajana. Miten tuollaisella määrällä muka voitaisiin operoida, ei ole alkuunkaan uskottavaa. Se aiempi 3-4 on melkeinpä käytännön pakko.
ddude
Majuri
Kyllä jotain uutta kyvykkyyttä on nyt kuten Zelensky lupaili "yllätystä" pari päivää aiemmin.
Se, onko se F-16 vai joku muu selvinnnee aikanaan...
Ehkä modattu ohjus?
www.pravda.com.ua
Russian A-50 was downed with S-200 anti-aircraft system
The Defence Forces of Ukraine have downed a Russian A-50 long-range radar detection aircraft from a Soviet anti-aircraft system S-200.
www.pravda.com.ua