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The Wall Street journal 3.9.2011:
CIA tehnyt yhteistyötä Kaddafin hallinnon kanssa. Libyasta löytyneiden asiakirjojen mukaan yhteistyö aloitettiin edellisen, Bushin hallinnon aikaan 2004.
Yhdysvallat pyysi Libyalta apua terroristiepäiltyjen kuullustelussa ja säilytyksessä.
Tripoli Files Show CIA Working With Libya
The Central Intelligence Agency and Libyan intelligence services developed such a tight relationship during the George W. Bush administration that the U.S. shipped terror suspects to Libya for interrogation and suggested the questions they should be asked, according to documents found in Libya's External Security agency headquarters.
The relationship was close enough that the CIA moved to establish "a permanent presence" in Libya in 2004, according to a note from Stephen Kappes, at the time the No. 2 in the CIA's clandestine service, to Libya's then-intelligence chief, Moussa Koussa.
The memo began "Dear Musa," and was signed by hand, "Steve." Mr. Kappes was a critical player in the secret negotiations that led to Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi's 2003 decision to give up his nuclear program. Through a spokeswoman, Mr. Kappes, who has retired from the agency, declined to comment.
A U.S. official said Libya had showed progress at the time. "Let's keep in mind the context here: By 2004, the U.S. had successfully convinced the Libyan government to renounce its nuclear-weapons program and to help stop terrorists who were actively targeting Americans in the U.S. and abroad," the official said.
The files documenting the renewal of ties between the CIA and Libyan intelligence were reviewed and copied by researchers from Human Rights Watch during a tour of Libya's External Security agency headquarters in downtown Tripoli. Emergencies Director Peter Bouckaert said he was touring the building on Friday as part of the group's effort to help the Libyan transitional authority secure sensitive documents left by the Gadhafi regime, which collapsed in August after a five-month rebellion.
Mr. Bouckaert said he discovered the files inside the complex in a room that guards described as the former office of Mr. Koussa, who became foreign minister in 2009. Mr. Bouckaert photographed the documents, leaving the originals in their place, and gave copies to The Wall Street Journal.
Human Rights Watch has been critical of the U.S. policy of sending terror suspects to third countries for interrogation, a practice known as rendition. The practice dates at least to 1995, when Egypt began aiding the U.S. with rendition.
U.S. officials say they obtained assurances from the recipient countries that the rendered detainees would be treated humanely. "There are lots of countries willing to take terrorists off the street who want to kill Americans," the U.S. official said. "That doesn't mean U.S. concerns about human rights are ignored in the process."
In an April 15, 2004 letter to Libyan intelligence, the CIA proposed the rendition of another man, saying, "We respectfully request an expression of interest from your service regarding taking custody."
Citing "recently developed agreements," the CIA asked the Libyans to "agree to take our requirements for debriefings of [the suspect], as well as a guarantee that [his] human rights will be protected."
The files also show the close relationship that some British intelligence officials had with Mr. Koussa.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903895904576547101159155100.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_MIDDLETopNews
Myös Brittien tiedusteluelimien siis epäillään käyttäneen Kaddafin hallintoa hyväkseen. Niin ja ihmisoikeuksista ollaan tietysti huolissaan USA:ssa kun tunnettu "ihmisoikeuksien ykkösmaa" ja "humanistivaltio vailla vertaa" suoritti nuo kuullustelut (kidutukset). Melko röyhkeästi sanottu kirkkain silmin kun Bushin fasistihallinto ei yleisestikään pitänyt mm. vesikidutusta suurena syntinä ja ylläpiti salaisia vankiloita ympäri maailmaa.
Itseasiassa George W.Bushin läheisin neuvonantaja ja kampanjanero Karl Rove oli ylpeä vesikidutuksen käytöstä koska sillä saatiin tärkeitä tietoja joiden avulla "maailmaa on voitu pitää turvallisempana". Hän kertoi itse asiasta BBC Newsille haastattelussaan 2010:
Todellinen "vapaiden maa ja rohkeiden koti"!
Niin ja tietysti demokratian pyhättö....
CIA tehnyt yhteistyötä Kaddafin hallinnon kanssa. Libyasta löytyneiden asiakirjojen mukaan yhteistyö aloitettiin edellisen, Bushin hallinnon aikaan 2004.
Yhdysvallat pyysi Libyalta apua terroristiepäiltyjen kuullustelussa ja säilytyksessä.
Tripoli Files Show CIA Working With Libya
The Central Intelligence Agency and Libyan intelligence services developed such a tight relationship during the George W. Bush administration that the U.S. shipped terror suspects to Libya for interrogation and suggested the questions they should be asked, according to documents found in Libya's External Security agency headquarters.
The relationship was close enough that the CIA moved to establish "a permanent presence" in Libya in 2004, according to a note from Stephen Kappes, at the time the No. 2 in the CIA's clandestine service, to Libya's then-intelligence chief, Moussa Koussa.
The memo began "Dear Musa," and was signed by hand, "Steve." Mr. Kappes was a critical player in the secret negotiations that led to Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi's 2003 decision to give up his nuclear program. Through a spokeswoman, Mr. Kappes, who has retired from the agency, declined to comment.
A U.S. official said Libya had showed progress at the time. "Let's keep in mind the context here: By 2004, the U.S. had successfully convinced the Libyan government to renounce its nuclear-weapons program and to help stop terrorists who were actively targeting Americans in the U.S. and abroad," the official said.
The files documenting the renewal of ties between the CIA and Libyan intelligence were reviewed and copied by researchers from Human Rights Watch during a tour of Libya's External Security agency headquarters in downtown Tripoli. Emergencies Director Peter Bouckaert said he was touring the building on Friday as part of the group's effort to help the Libyan transitional authority secure sensitive documents left by the Gadhafi regime, which collapsed in August after a five-month rebellion.
Mr. Bouckaert said he discovered the files inside the complex in a room that guards described as the former office of Mr. Koussa, who became foreign minister in 2009. Mr. Bouckaert photographed the documents, leaving the originals in their place, and gave copies to The Wall Street Journal.
Human Rights Watch has been critical of the U.S. policy of sending terror suspects to third countries for interrogation, a practice known as rendition. The practice dates at least to 1995, when Egypt began aiding the U.S. with rendition.
U.S. officials say they obtained assurances from the recipient countries that the rendered detainees would be treated humanely. "There are lots of countries willing to take terrorists off the street who want to kill Americans," the U.S. official said. "That doesn't mean U.S. concerns about human rights are ignored in the process."
In an April 15, 2004 letter to Libyan intelligence, the CIA proposed the rendition of another man, saying, "We respectfully request an expression of interest from your service regarding taking custody."
Citing "recently developed agreements," the CIA asked the Libyans to "agree to take our requirements for debriefings of [the suspect], as well as a guarantee that [his] human rights will be protected."
The files also show the close relationship that some British intelligence officials had with Mr. Koussa.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903895904576547101159155100.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_MIDDLETopNews
Myös Brittien tiedusteluelimien siis epäillään käyttäneen Kaddafin hallintoa hyväkseen. Niin ja ihmisoikeuksista ollaan tietysti huolissaan USA:ssa kun tunnettu "ihmisoikeuksien ykkösmaa" ja "humanistivaltio vailla vertaa" suoritti nuo kuullustelut (kidutukset). Melko röyhkeästi sanottu kirkkain silmin kun Bushin fasistihallinto ei yleisestikään pitänyt mm. vesikidutusta suurena syntinä ja ylläpiti salaisia vankiloita ympäri maailmaa.
Itseasiassa George W.Bushin läheisin neuvonantaja ja kampanjanero Karl Rove oli ylpeä vesikidutuksen käytöstä koska sillä saatiin tärkeitä tietoja joiden avulla "maailmaa on voitu pitää turvallisempana". Hän kertoi itse asiasta BBC Newsille haastattelussaan 2010:
Todellinen "vapaiden maa ja rohkeiden koti"!
Niin ja tietysti demokratian pyhättö....
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