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Bushmaster
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Pohjois-Korean Kim Jong-un hyväksyi "lopullisen hyökkäyssuunnitelman"
http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaa...yvayksyi lopullisen hyokkaysuunnitelman-39970
Pohjois-Korean johtaja Kim Jong-unin mukaan joukot ovat jo sodan kaltaisessa tilassa.
Fox Newsin mukaan Kim Jong-un tapasi puolueen ja armeijan korkeita virkamiehiä, jotka "tarkastivat ja hyväksyivät lopullisen hyökkäyssuunnitelman". Kim määräsi rajajoukot sota-ajan asemiin.
Pohjois-Korea on antanut Etelä-Korealle lauantaiaamuun saakka aikaa lopettaa Pohjois-Korean vastaisen propagandan toistaminen kaiuttimista rajalla.
Välit ovat kiristyneet, kun Pohjois-Korea tulitti Etelä-Korean puolella olevaa kaiutinjärjestelmää, ja Etelä-Korea vastasi tuleen ampumalla tykistötulta Pohjois-Korean puolelle.
Etelä-Korea aktivoi kaiutinjärjestelmänsä, kun pohjoiskorealaisten raja-alueelle asentamien miinojen kerrottiin haavoittaneen vakavasti kahta eteläkorealaista
http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaa...yvayksyi lopullisen hyokkaysuunnitelman-39970
Pohjois-Korean johtaja Kim Jong-unin mukaan joukot ovat jo sodan kaltaisessa tilassa.
Fox Newsin mukaan Kim Jong-un tapasi puolueen ja armeijan korkeita virkamiehiä, jotka "tarkastivat ja hyväksyivät lopullisen hyökkäyssuunnitelman". Kim määräsi rajajoukot sota-ajan asemiin.
Pohjois-Korea on antanut Etelä-Korealle lauantaiaamuun saakka aikaa lopettaa Pohjois-Korean vastaisen propagandan toistaminen kaiuttimista rajalla.
Välit ovat kiristyneet, kun Pohjois-Korea tulitti Etelä-Korean puolella olevaa kaiutinjärjestelmää, ja Etelä-Korea vastasi tuleen ampumalla tykistötulta Pohjois-Korean puolelle.
Etelä-Korea aktivoi kaiutinjärjestelmänsä, kun pohjoiskorealaisten raja-alueelle asentamien miinojen kerrottiin haavoittaneen vakavasti kahta eteläkorealaista
Bushmaster
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Luultavasti näin mutta "vahinkoja" sattuu ja joiden seurauksia ei ihan heti kykene pysäyttämään...toivotaan että Pohjois Korea pysyy entisillä linjoillaan...vaikka ei minua haittasi se että tämän hetkinen Regime lakkaisi vaikka välittömästi...
StepanRudanskij
Respected Leader
Jenkitkin laittoivat sotaharjoitukset E-Korean kanssa jäihin.
Opama päätti miellyttää unnia ja tehdä selväksi sillekin, että kun tarpeeksi uhoaa, niin aina saa tahtonsa läpi.
Maidan
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Eikäs Koreoiden välillä ollut jo 60 vuotta kitkat tulituksineen? Pohjois-Korea on kenties maapalloin huonoin maa, faisistinen valtio, jossa kansa syö ruohoa nälkään, ja pullistelu tarkoiettu omalle täysin aivopestyille kansalle? Etelä-Korea sen sijan menestynyt kapitalistinen valtio, jossa BKT on sama tasoa kun Venäjän, vaikka maassa ei ole kaasua eikä öljyä, eikä mitään rikkauksia ylipäänsä. Se kerro paljon. Ymmärsin että takapajuisen Pohjois-Korean varustusta jopa naurettava verrata Etelä-Koreaan ja halutessaan viimeinen voisi vaikka tuhota koko paise-maa ihan helposti, ihan ilman USAn apuakin, mutta humaanisista syistä ei sitä tee.
Onko heillä toimivia ydinaseita, sitä en tiedä.
Onko heillä toimivia ydinaseita, sitä en tiedä.
ajs178
Respected Leader
Löytyyköhän mistään esimerkkejä siitä, millaista propaganda Etelä-Korean kaiuttimet toistavat pohjoisille veljilleen? Olisi ihan mielenkiintoista kuulla (tai lukea käännöksiä) siitä, että onko se tyyliin "tulkaa hakemaan leipää" tai "sillä välin kun olette vartiovuoroissa, niin Kim Jong Un vie teidän naisenne", tms. tuntemattoman tyyliin 
Rauhantekijä
Greatest Leader
Jos joku on kiinnostunut lukemaan elämänkerran siitä millaisessa ympäristössä Pohjois-Koreassa kasvetaan niin tässä kirjasuositukseni. Kirja on ysäriltä, mutta edelleen hyvin ajankohtainen. Eipä siellä asiat ole paljoa muuttuneet.... http://lintusenkirjablogi.blogspot.fi/2014/08/kim-hyun-hee-sieluni-kyyneleet.html
Tietenkin löytyy omasta kirjastostani.
Tietenkin löytyy omasta kirjastostani.
Jos en olisi saman asian tiimoilta jo niin monesti popkorneja pohjaan polttanut niin laittaisin ne uudestaan tulille ja kääntäisin CNN:lle. Se palaneen käry keittiössä vaan on opettanut odottamaan oikeaa ruudinkäryä.
Poreileeko P-Korean hallinnossa vai mistä tämä pullistelu johtuu, mene ja tiedä. Jos olisin sotamajuri E-Koreassa niin erästä vanhaa Maikkarin jääkiekkomainosta lainatakseni sanoisin: "Tervetuloa koittamaan". Ja mitä tulee ydinaseuhkaan niin kolme Kimiä pohjoisesta on saanut kappaleen rautaa taivalle mutta niistä yksikään ei ole löytänyt tietään haluttuun maaliin. Siinä on vissi ero. Olkaa ihan rauhassa siellä Soulissa.
Poreileeko P-Korean hallinnossa vai mistä tämä pullistelu johtuu, mene ja tiedä. Jos olisin sotamajuri E-Koreassa niin erästä vanhaa Maikkarin jääkiekkomainosta lainatakseni sanoisin: "Tervetuloa koittamaan". Ja mitä tulee ydinaseuhkaan niin kolme Kimiä pohjoisesta on saanut kappaleen rautaa taivalle mutta niistä yksikään ei ole löytänyt tietään haluttuun maaliin. Siinä on vissi ero. Olkaa ihan rauhassa siellä Soulissa.
Bushmaster
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ooming-north-korea-deadline-as-tension-rises/
US, South Korea brace for clash as North Korea deadline looms
South Korean officials say they will hold meetings with North Korean officials on Saturday in an effort to defuse the tensions between the two countries.
The meeting is expected to take place at the border town of Panmunjom at 6 p.m. Seoul time, which is 30 minutes after the deadline set by Pyongyang for Seoul to take down the loudspeakers broadcasting anti-North Korean propaganda. According to the officials in Seoul, South Korean side will be represented by presidential national security adviser Kim Kwang-jin and Unification Minister Hong Yong-pyo, while North Korean side will be represented by senior officials Hwang Pyong So and Kim Yang Gon.
The announcement of talks between the Koreas comes after U.S. and South Korean bombers took to the skies on Saturday in a show of force, as they prepared for a potential military clash with the North.
The latest confrontation between the rival Koreas has been the most serious one in years. North Korea declared that its troops are in a “quasi-state of war” and preparing for battle should Seoul ignore the Saturday deadline.
It’s unclear whether North Korea means to attack immediately, but South Korea has vowed to continue to the broadcasts, which it recently started after an 11 year stoppage accusing Pyongyang of planting land mines that maimed two South Korean soldiers earlier this month.
South Korean officials have urged residents of border towns Yeoncheon, Paju and Ganghwa Island to seek shelter ahead of the Saturday afternoon deadline.
Four U.S. F-16 fighter jets and four F-15k South Korean fighter jets simulated bombings, starting on the South Korean eastern coast and moving toward the U.S. base at Osan, near Seoul, officials said.
Ahead of the 5 p.m. Pyongyang time deadline, must of Seoul went about its normal business Saturday. More than 240 South Koreans entered a jointly-run industrial complex in the North Korean border city of Kaesong.
Still, there’s worry about the latest conflict between the two counties. South Korea’s military on Thursday fired dozens of rounds across the border in response to what Seoul said were North Korean artillery strikes meant to back up a threat to attack the loudspeakers.
U.S. experts on North Korea said the land mine blast and this week’s shelling were the most serious security incidents at the border since Kim Jong Un came to power after the 2011 death of his father, Kim Jong Il. The country was founded by Kim Jong Un’s grandfather, Kim Il Sung.
"If Kim Jong Il or Kim Il Sung was in charge, I would say that leadership in North Korea would recognize that South Korea has responded in kind to an attack and it's time to stand down. But I'm not sure Kim Jong Un understands the rules of the game established by his father and grandfather on how to ratchet up tensions and then ratchet them down. I'm not sure if he knows how to de-escalate," said Evans Revere, a former senior State Department official on East Asia.
The North denies responsibility for the land mine attack and says it didn't fire across the border, a claim Seoul says is nonsense.
The latest standoff comes during annual military drills between the U.S. and South Korea, which North Korea calls preparation for an invasion. The U.S. and South Korea insist they are defensive in nature.
Hundreds of residents in South Korean border towns had evacuated to shelters during the conflict on Thursday before returning home on Friday afternoon. Fishermen on Saturday were banned for the second straight day from entering waters near five South Korean islands near the disputed western sea border with North Korea, according to marine police officials in Incheon.
In a propaganda statement carried by North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency, Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said that North Korean soldiers and people are "poised not to just counter-act or make any retaliation but not to rule out an all-out war to protect the social system, their own choice, at the risk of their lives."
The North's threats are similar to its other warlike rhetoric in recent years. Still, the North's apparent willingness to test Seoul with military strikes and its recent warning of further action raise worries because South Korea has vowed to hit back with overwhelming strength should North Korea attack again.
Yonhap news agency, citing a government source, reported Friday that South Korean and U.S. surveillance assets detected the movement of vehicles carrying short-range Scud and medium-range Rodong missiles in a possible preparation for launches. South Korea’s Defense Ministry said it couldn’t confirm the report.
North Korea said the South Korean shells fired Thursday landed near four military posts but caused no injuries. No one was reported injured in the South, either, though hundreds were evacuated from front-line towns. Pyongyang says it did not fire anything at the South, a claim Seoul dismissed as nonsense.
Authoritarian North Korea, which has also restarted its own propaganda broadcasts, is extremely sensitive to any criticism of its government, run by leader Kim Jong Un, whose family has ruled since the North was founded in 1948. The loudspeaker broadcasts are taken seriously in Pyongyang because the government does not want its soldiers and residents to hear outsiders criticize human rights abuses and economic mismanagement that condemns many to abject poverty, South Korean analysts say.
South Korea's military warned Friday that North Korea must refrain from engaging in "rash acts" or face strong punishment, according to South Korea's Defense Ministry. South Korea raised its military readiness to its highest level.
Escalation is a risk in any military exchange between the Koreas because after two attacks blamed on Pyongyang killed 50 South Koreans in 2010, South Korea's military warned that any future North Korean attack could trigger strikes by South Korea that are three times as large.
The Koreas' mine-strewn Demilitarized Zone is a legacy of the 1950-53 Korean War, which ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty, leaving the Korean Peninsula still technically in a state of war. About 28,500 U.S. soldiers are deployed in South Korea to deter potential aggression from North Korea.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
US, South Korea brace for clash as North Korea deadline looms
South Korean officials say they will hold meetings with North Korean officials on Saturday in an effort to defuse the tensions between the two countries.
The meeting is expected to take place at the border town of Panmunjom at 6 p.m. Seoul time, which is 30 minutes after the deadline set by Pyongyang for Seoul to take down the loudspeakers broadcasting anti-North Korean propaganda. According to the officials in Seoul, South Korean side will be represented by presidential national security adviser Kim Kwang-jin and Unification Minister Hong Yong-pyo, while North Korean side will be represented by senior officials Hwang Pyong So and Kim Yang Gon.
The announcement of talks between the Koreas comes after U.S. and South Korean bombers took to the skies on Saturday in a show of force, as they prepared for a potential military clash with the North.
The latest confrontation between the rival Koreas has been the most serious one in years. North Korea declared that its troops are in a “quasi-state of war” and preparing for battle should Seoul ignore the Saturday deadline.
It’s unclear whether North Korea means to attack immediately, but South Korea has vowed to continue to the broadcasts, which it recently started after an 11 year stoppage accusing Pyongyang of planting land mines that maimed two South Korean soldiers earlier this month.
South Korean officials have urged residents of border towns Yeoncheon, Paju and Ganghwa Island to seek shelter ahead of the Saturday afternoon deadline.
Four U.S. F-16 fighter jets and four F-15k South Korean fighter jets simulated bombings, starting on the South Korean eastern coast and moving toward the U.S. base at Osan, near Seoul, officials said.
Ahead of the 5 p.m. Pyongyang time deadline, must of Seoul went about its normal business Saturday. More than 240 South Koreans entered a jointly-run industrial complex in the North Korean border city of Kaesong.
Still, there’s worry about the latest conflict between the two counties. South Korea’s military on Thursday fired dozens of rounds across the border in response to what Seoul said were North Korean artillery strikes meant to back up a threat to attack the loudspeakers.
U.S. experts on North Korea said the land mine blast and this week’s shelling were the most serious security incidents at the border since Kim Jong Un came to power after the 2011 death of his father, Kim Jong Il. The country was founded by Kim Jong Un’s grandfather, Kim Il Sung.
"If Kim Jong Il or Kim Il Sung was in charge, I would say that leadership in North Korea would recognize that South Korea has responded in kind to an attack and it's time to stand down. But I'm not sure Kim Jong Un understands the rules of the game established by his father and grandfather on how to ratchet up tensions and then ratchet them down. I'm not sure if he knows how to de-escalate," said Evans Revere, a former senior State Department official on East Asia.
The North denies responsibility for the land mine attack and says it didn't fire across the border, a claim Seoul says is nonsense.
The latest standoff comes during annual military drills between the U.S. and South Korea, which North Korea calls preparation for an invasion. The U.S. and South Korea insist they are defensive in nature.
Hundreds of residents in South Korean border towns had evacuated to shelters during the conflict on Thursday before returning home on Friday afternoon. Fishermen on Saturday were banned for the second straight day from entering waters near five South Korean islands near the disputed western sea border with North Korea, according to marine police officials in Incheon.
In a propaganda statement carried by North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency, Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said that North Korean soldiers and people are "poised not to just counter-act or make any retaliation but not to rule out an all-out war to protect the social system, their own choice, at the risk of their lives."
The North's threats are similar to its other warlike rhetoric in recent years. Still, the North's apparent willingness to test Seoul with military strikes and its recent warning of further action raise worries because South Korea has vowed to hit back with overwhelming strength should North Korea attack again.
Yonhap news agency, citing a government source, reported Friday that South Korean and U.S. surveillance assets detected the movement of vehicles carrying short-range Scud and medium-range Rodong missiles in a possible preparation for launches. South Korea’s Defense Ministry said it couldn’t confirm the report.
North Korea said the South Korean shells fired Thursday landed near four military posts but caused no injuries. No one was reported injured in the South, either, though hundreds were evacuated from front-line towns. Pyongyang says it did not fire anything at the South, a claim Seoul dismissed as nonsense.
Authoritarian North Korea, which has also restarted its own propaganda broadcasts, is extremely sensitive to any criticism of its government, run by leader Kim Jong Un, whose family has ruled since the North was founded in 1948. The loudspeaker broadcasts are taken seriously in Pyongyang because the government does not want its soldiers and residents to hear outsiders criticize human rights abuses and economic mismanagement that condemns many to abject poverty, South Korean analysts say.
South Korea's military warned Friday that North Korea must refrain from engaging in "rash acts" or face strong punishment, according to South Korea's Defense Ministry. South Korea raised its military readiness to its highest level.
Escalation is a risk in any military exchange between the Koreas because after two attacks blamed on Pyongyang killed 50 South Koreans in 2010, South Korea's military warned that any future North Korean attack could trigger strikes by South Korea that are three times as large.
The Koreas' mine-strewn Demilitarized Zone is a legacy of the 1950-53 Korean War, which ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty, leaving the Korean Peninsula still technically in a state of war. About 28,500 U.S. soldiers are deployed in South Korea to deter potential aggression from North Korea.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Bushmaster
Greatest Leader
tuplan poisto
STI_Tactical9mm
Kenraali
mut mut mut ... mites nuita maamiinoja voi enää olla, kun Soumi ja Ottawan sopimus pelasti koko maailman ....
Bushmaster
Greatest Leader
aivan..ne kun ovat kuulema ihan turhia..?
vlad
Respected Leader
Käytännössä Etelä-Korea ja Pohjois-Korea eivät ole tehneet rauhansopimusta Korean sodan jälkeen eli maiden välillä vallitsee eräänlainen sotatila. Korean sodan jälkeen sovittiin aselevosta Pohjois-Korean, Kiinan ja Yhdysvaltojen välillä - silloinen Etelä-Korean hallinto ei hyväksynyt niemimaan jakoa, eikä tunnustanut sopimusta. 2009 Pohjois-Korea sanoi sanoutuvansa irti aseleposopimuksesta.
Etelä-Korean talous on eteenpäin menevä ja dynaaminen, se perustuu suurelta osin korkeaan teknologiaan ja jatkojalosteisiin eli on aivan toisenlainen mitä vaikkapa Venäjän talous - puhumattakaan sitten Pohjois-Korean taloudesta. Etelä-Korean kansantalous oli CIA:n the world factbookin mukaan 14. suurin viime vuonna ja bkt per capita oli 35 300 USD vrt. Venäjä 7. suurin ja bkt per capita 24 800 USD. Pohjois-Korean talousluvut ovatkin sitten arvioita, CIA:n mukaan PK:n kansantalous oli 112. suurin (v. 2013 arvio) ja bkt per capita 1800 USD (v. 2013 arvio).*
vlad
*: CIA the world factbookissa lasketaan kansantalouksien joukkoon myös EU:n kaikkien jäsenmaiden kansantaloudet ja EU on yhteenlaskettuna listalla toisena Kiinan jälkeen.
vlad
Respected Leader
Olen lukenut Kim Hyun-heen tarinan aikanaan kun kirja ensimmäistä kertaa julkaistiin Suomessa, sen jälkeen siitä on otettu ainakin yksi pokkaripainos vuosi pari sitten, nykyään hän käyttää nimeä Kim Hyon-hui.
Muutama muu Pohjois-Koreaa käsittelevä suositeltava teos:
Barbara Demick: Suljettu maa (perustuu loikkareiden haastatteluihin Pohjois-Koreasta).
Blaine Harden: Leiri 14 - Pako Pohjois-Koreasta (perustuu leirillä 14. syntyneen Shin Dong-hyuk'in kertomukseen, mutta kirjan arvoa laskee osaltaan se, että sittemmin Shin Dong-hyuk on kertonut kirjan olevan osin sepitettä).
Kang Chol-hwan ja Pierre Rigoulot: Pjongjangin akvaariot - 10 vuotta Pohjois-Korean gulagissa.
Kokoelmistani löytyy myös mainitsemasi Kim Hyun-heen tarina Sieluni kyyneleet - olin terroristi (luettu) ja lukemattoma vasta ostettu Kenji Fujimoton teos Diktaattorin keittiömestari, kyseessä on salanimellä kirjoittavan japanilaiskokin kirja, jossa hän kertoo kolmesta vuodestaan Rakastetun johtajan (Kim Jong-il) kokkina.
vlad.
Maidan
Respected Leader
Mikä tämä "per capita" tarkoittaa?
per henkilö/ asukasta kohti
Ennen Korean jakaantumista E-Korea oli köyhempi kuin P-Korea. Nykyään asia on aivan toisin, kuten @vlad yllä kirjoitti. P-Korean propagandassa tosin E-Korea esitetään kurjana maana.
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