Vääpeli
Greatest Leader
Toi on näppärä, itekin käyttänyt sitä. Ja eikös itkolle ollut samanlainen härveli?
Sotasaalisaseet ja niiden käyttöönotto
- Viestiketjun aloittaja JR49
- Aloitus PVM
JR49
Respected Leader
Millä tasolla tuo vyöntäyttäjä kulkee mukana, yksi per ryhmä vai joukkue?
kimmo.j
Respected Leader
Mulla on sellainen mielikuva, että jokaisessa psv:ssä oli omansa PKT:lle. Itkolle ei ollut joka vaunussa, mutta komppanian tvällärilla oli useampi.
chigeen'a
Kapteeni
Sen hienoin oivallus on tuo että patruunoiden ei tarvi olla samoin päin kourussa. Toisin kuin useimmissa vanhemmissa vastaavissa. Käyttäminen vaatii hellää otetta ja kun toisella veivaa niin toisella kädellä täytyy hieman koko aika keventää ja ikään kuin pöyhiä kourussa/suppilossa olevia patruunoita. Muuten tulee tönkkö joka vaatii päälle yrittävän patruunan poistamista aika ahtaasta kolosta. Pakkaselle ihan kivaa puuhaa.
JR49
Respected Leader
BTR-70, käytössä merijalkaväellä vielä 95 kappaletta. Hyvin samanlainen kuin BTR-60, samoilla aseilla ja tätäkin on modernisoitu dieselkoneelle.
BTR-60:n luukkuja pidettiin epäkäytännöllisinä. No, venäläiset päättivät parannella poistumisteitä. Näette uudelleen mietityn paikan luukulle tuossa keskellä toista ja kolmatta rengasparia. Käytännöllistä vai mitä
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No, videon mukaan on tuossa päälläkin käytännöllisemmät luukut näemmä kuin aikaisemmassa versiossa.
Tulee vaan mieleen se taktiikka, että jalkautuminen tapahtuu liikkeessä...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-70
Kohdassa 1:50 näkyy jalkautuminen alaluukuista ja 0:35 yläluukkujen käyttö.
Tässä kiinnostavassa pätkässä joku firma mainostaa, kuin 60- ja 70-versiot modernisoidaan.
BTR-60:n luukkuja pidettiin epäkäytännöllisinä. No, venäläiset päättivät parannella poistumisteitä. Näette uudelleen mietityn paikan luukulle tuossa keskellä toista ja kolmatta rengasparia. Käytännöllistä vai mitä
? No, videon mukaan on tuossa päälläkin käytännöllisemmät luukut näemmä kuin aikaisemmassa versiossa.
Tulee vaan mieleen se taktiikka, että jalkautuminen tapahtuu liikkeessä...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-70
Kohdassa 1:50 näkyy jalkautuminen alaluukuista ja 0:35 yläluukkujen käyttö.
Tässä kiinnostavassa pätkässä joku firma mainostaa, kuin 60- ja 70-versiot modernisoidaan.
JR49
Respected Leader
BTR-90. Käytännössä BTR-80, johon on laitettu BMP-2:n torni. Eivät hankkineet Venäjän armeijalle. Sisäministeriön joukoilla on näitä vähän, joten selustassa (ei omassa) tulisivat mahdollisesti vastaan.
Ilmeisesti ei ollut saatavilla lisäarvoa edellisiin malleihin, joita kuitenkin on varastot täynnä. Ja kuten toisaalla eräs asiantuntija totesi, Kasikymppisessä ei ollut paljon uutta verrattuna Kuuskymppiseen, joten koska edes venäläiset eivät hankkineet Ysikymppistä kuin kourallisen, niin se kertonee jotain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-90
Ilmeisesti ei ollut saatavilla lisäarvoa edellisiin malleihin, joita kuitenkin on varastot täynnä. Ja kuten toisaalla eräs asiantuntija totesi, Kasikymppisessä ei ollut paljon uutta verrattuna Kuuskymppiseen, joten koska edes venäläiset eivät hankkineet Ysikymppistä kuin kourallisen, niin se kertonee jotain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-90
JR49
Respected Leader
BMP-3. 616 pitäisi olla käytössä aina niin luotettavan Wikipedian mukaan. Lisää on tilattu.
Edit: aha, heti löytyi variaatioita luvuista. Toinen sivusto sanoo, että 720 kpl. Lisäksi: Russia's Defense Ministry has ordered 200 new BMP-3s.
BMP-3:n pääase on 100 mm 2A70 rihlattu kanuuna, joka toimii myös ohjuslaukaisimena. Ammuksena on ainoastaan sirpalekranaatti, jonka lähtönopeus on 250 m/s. Ammustäyttö on 40 kranaattia, joista 22 automaattilataajassa. BMP-3:n ensimmäisen mallin ohjus on 9M117 Bastion (AT-10 Stabber), vuodesta 1995 lähtien 9M133 Kornet (AT-14 Kornet), joka laukaistaan 3UBK10-laukaisimesta. 100 mm tykin rinnalla on 30 mm 2A72 automaattikanuuna. Torni on kaksiakselistabiloitu. Vaunussa on alun perin UTD-29-dieselmoottori, joka tuottaa 500 hv.
Parannetussa BMP-3M-versiossa on uusi ammunnanhallinta, ballistinen tietokone, ampujan tähtäin ja johtajan periskooppi. Automaattilataaja on uudistettu ja 100 mm tykki pystyy ampumaan laserohjattuja ammuksia. Reaktiivipanssarointi on valinnainen. Moottori on päivitetty UTD-32:ksi, jossa on 660 hv. Vaunu voidaan varustaa panssarintorjuntaohjusten torjuntajärjestelmä ARENAlla.
Muutamia kansallisia erikoisuuksia suunnittelussa:
The vehicle has an unconventional layout. The engine is in the back of the vehicle to the right (unlike most other IFVs, which have the engine located forward in the hull). As a result, the driver is seated forward in the hull (in the center) together with two infantrymen (one on each side of the driver). The vehicle has a double bottom and the engine is located under the floor of the vehicle (troops enter/leave the vehicle over the engine). The remaining five infantrymen are seated aft of the two-man turret.
@SJ , tapasi mukaan kysyt kuitenkin, missä on polttoainesäiliö:
Over the frontal, the vehicle is protected against 30 mm gun rounds at a range of 200 m. In addition to "hard" protection, the BMP-3's self-healing fuel tank is located in front of the driver, directly behind the front armour plating. It is specially constructed to act as armour, effective against shaped charge warheads as well as any autocannon shells that managed to go through the front armour.
Miehistö
3+7
Aseistus
100 mm rihlatun kanuunan 2A70 tiedot: Tulinopeus: 8–10 laukausta/min Lataus: Automaattilataaja (Lataajan täyttö käsin ja ohjukset käsin) Ammustäyttö: 40 kpl 100 mm HE-Shapnel tai 100 mm HE-I kranaattia, joista 22 ladattuna ja 5 kpl AT-10 Basnya tai AT-14 ohjusta, joista 3 ladattuna
30 mm automaattikanuuna 2A72 tiedot: Tulinopeus: 350 laukausta/min. Ammustäyttö: 500 ammusta ladattuna. Ammustyyppi: 30 mm alikaliiperiammus tai sirpalekranaatti
Pituus: 7,14 m
Leveys: 3,15 m
Korkeus: 2,30 m
Maavara: 0,51 m
Taistelumassa
18 700kg
Nopeus
Tiellä 70 km/h
Vedessä 10 km/h
Toimintamatka
600 km tiellä
Panssarointi
30–35 mm edessä
Countermeasures
The hull and turret are made of a high-strength aluminium alloy, with the front of the hull being provided with an extra steel plate welded over it plus spaced armour from the trim vane. The turret is also provided with a thick steel spaced armour shield over its frontal arc. Over the frontal, the vehicle is protected against 30 mm gun rounds at a range of 200 m.[14] In addition to "hard" protection, the BMP-3's self-healing fuel tank is located in front of the driver, directly behind the front armour plating. It is specially constructed to act as armour, effective against shaped charge warheads as well as any autocannon shells that managed to go through the front armour.
The BMP-3 can lay its own smoke screen by injecting fuel into the exhaust manifolds. A chemical agent detector, an FVU filtration system, an automatic fire extinguisher and six 902V "Tucha-2" 81 mm smoke grenade launchers are standard.
At least two distinct sets of explosive reactive armour kit are currently available, giving the BMP-3 protection from less advanced rocket propelled grenades. One of them is the Kaktus ERA kit, which has a unique design that creates minimal acoustic and kinetic backlash to the armour behind it upon detonation, thus ensuring that the occupants will not be harmed by shockwaves from the ERA block. The ERA blocks will completely disintegrate after detonation. According to Kurganmashzavod, the BMP-3 may also be fitted with additional side armour tiles, which can resist .50 caliber armour-piercing ammunition perpendicularly at close ranges. They give the BMP-3 added side protection from autocannon fire as well.
The BMP-3 also has the ability to carry a Shtora electro-optical jammer that disrupts semiautomatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) antitank guided missiles, laser rangefinders and target designators. Shtora is a soft-kill, or passive-countermeasure system.
Standard weight of the vehicle is 18.7 tonnes. If additional armor overlay (metal sheet of armor and Kaktus ERA) is installed, weight will reach to 22.2 tonnes. The body covered from the sides and the top. In such kit, it is protected against 12.7 mm machine gun rounds in the range of 100–200 m.
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Ilmeisen realistinen animaatio, kuin räjäytyskuva.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-3
Edit: aha, heti löytyi variaatioita luvuista. Toinen sivusto sanoo, että 720 kpl. Lisäksi: Russia's Defense Ministry has ordered 200 new BMP-3s.
BMP-3:n pääase on 100 mm 2A70 rihlattu kanuuna, joka toimii myös ohjuslaukaisimena. Ammuksena on ainoastaan sirpalekranaatti, jonka lähtönopeus on 250 m/s. Ammustäyttö on 40 kranaattia, joista 22 automaattilataajassa. BMP-3:n ensimmäisen mallin ohjus on 9M117 Bastion (AT-10 Stabber), vuodesta 1995 lähtien 9M133 Kornet (AT-14 Kornet), joka laukaistaan 3UBK10-laukaisimesta. 100 mm tykin rinnalla on 30 mm 2A72 automaattikanuuna. Torni on kaksiakselistabiloitu. Vaunussa on alun perin UTD-29-dieselmoottori, joka tuottaa 500 hv.
Parannetussa BMP-3M-versiossa on uusi ammunnanhallinta, ballistinen tietokone, ampujan tähtäin ja johtajan periskooppi. Automaattilataaja on uudistettu ja 100 mm tykki pystyy ampumaan laserohjattuja ammuksia. Reaktiivipanssarointi on valinnainen. Moottori on päivitetty UTD-32:ksi, jossa on 660 hv. Vaunu voidaan varustaa panssarintorjuntaohjusten torjuntajärjestelmä ARENAlla.
Muutamia kansallisia erikoisuuksia suunnittelussa:
The vehicle has an unconventional layout. The engine is in the back of the vehicle to the right (unlike most other IFVs, which have the engine located forward in the hull). As a result, the driver is seated forward in the hull (in the center) together with two infantrymen (one on each side of the driver). The vehicle has a double bottom and the engine is located under the floor of the vehicle (troops enter/leave the vehicle over the engine). The remaining five infantrymen are seated aft of the two-man turret.
@SJ , tapasi mukaan kysyt kuitenkin, missä on polttoainesäiliö
:Over the frontal, the vehicle is protected against 30 mm gun rounds at a range of 200 m. In addition to "hard" protection, the BMP-3's self-healing fuel tank is located in front of the driver, directly behind the front armour plating. It is specially constructed to act as armour, effective against shaped charge warheads as well as any autocannon shells that managed to go through the front armour.
Miehistö
3+7
Aseistus
100 mm rihlatun kanuunan 2A70 tiedot: Tulinopeus: 8–10 laukausta/min Lataus: Automaattilataaja (Lataajan täyttö käsin ja ohjukset käsin) Ammustäyttö: 40 kpl 100 mm HE-Shapnel tai 100 mm HE-I kranaattia, joista 22 ladattuna ja 5 kpl AT-10 Basnya tai AT-14 ohjusta, joista 3 ladattuna
30 mm automaattikanuuna 2A72 tiedot: Tulinopeus: 350 laukausta/min. Ammustäyttö: 500 ammusta ladattuna. Ammustyyppi: 30 mm alikaliiperiammus tai sirpalekranaatti
- 3 kpl 7,62 mm konekivääriä
- 2 kpl kolmen savunheittimen patteria (VEES)
Pituus: 7,14 m
Leveys: 3,15 m
Korkeus: 2,30 m
Maavara: 0,51 m
Taistelumassa
18 700kg
Nopeus
Tiellä 70 km/h
Vedessä 10 km/h
Toimintamatka
600 km tiellä
Panssarointi
30–35 mm edessä
Countermeasures
The hull and turret are made of a high-strength aluminium alloy, with the front of the hull being provided with an extra steel plate welded over it plus spaced armour from the trim vane. The turret is also provided with a thick steel spaced armour shield over its frontal arc. Over the frontal, the vehicle is protected against 30 mm gun rounds at a range of 200 m.[14] In addition to "hard" protection, the BMP-3's self-healing fuel tank is located in front of the driver, directly behind the front armour plating. It is specially constructed to act as armour, effective against shaped charge warheads as well as any autocannon shells that managed to go through the front armour.
The BMP-3 can lay its own smoke screen by injecting fuel into the exhaust manifolds. A chemical agent detector, an FVU filtration system, an automatic fire extinguisher and six 902V "Tucha-2" 81 mm smoke grenade launchers are standard.
At least two distinct sets of explosive reactive armour kit are currently available, giving the BMP-3 protection from less advanced rocket propelled grenades. One of them is the Kaktus ERA kit, which has a unique design that creates minimal acoustic and kinetic backlash to the armour behind it upon detonation, thus ensuring that the occupants will not be harmed by shockwaves from the ERA block. The ERA blocks will completely disintegrate after detonation. According to Kurganmashzavod, the BMP-3 may also be fitted with additional side armour tiles, which can resist .50 caliber armour-piercing ammunition perpendicularly at close ranges. They give the BMP-3 added side protection from autocannon fire as well.
The BMP-3 also has the ability to carry a Shtora electro-optical jammer that disrupts semiautomatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) antitank guided missiles, laser rangefinders and target designators. Shtora is a soft-kill, or passive-countermeasure system.
Standard weight of the vehicle is 18.7 tonnes. If additional armor overlay (metal sheet of armor and Kaktus ERA) is installed, weight will reach to 22.2 tonnes. The body covered from the sides and the top. In such kit, it is protected against 12.7 mm machine gun rounds in the range of 100–200 m.
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Ilmeisen realistinen animaatio, kuin räjäytyskuva.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-3
Viimeksi muokattu:
BMP-3. 616 pitäisi olla käytössä aina niin luotettavan Wikipedian mukaan. Lisää on tilattu.
Edit: aha, heti löytyi variaatioita luvuista. Toinen sivusto sanoo, että 720 kpl. Lisäksi: Russia's Defense Ministry has ordered 200 new BMP-3s.
BMP-3:n pääase on 100 mm 2A70 rihlattu kanuuna, joka toimii myös ohjuslaukaisimena. Ammuksena on ainoastaan sirpalekranaatti, jonka lähtönopeus on 250 m/s. Ammustäyttö on 40 kranaattia, joista 22 automaattilataajassa. BMP-3:n ensimmäisen mallin ohjus on 9M117 Bastion (AT-10 Stabber), vuodesta 1995 lähtien 9M133 Kornet (AT-14 Kornet), joka laukaistaan 3UBK10-laukaisimesta. 100 mm tykin rinnalla on 30 mm 2A72 automaattikanuuna. Torni on kaksiakselistabiloitu. Vaunussa on alun perin UTD-29-dieselmoottori, joka tuottaa 500 hv.
Parannetussa BMP-3M-versiossa on uusi ammunnanhallinta, ballistinen tietokone, ampujan tähtäin ja johtajan periskooppi. Automaattilataaja on uudistettu ja 100 mm tykki pystyy ampumaan laserohjattuja ammuksia. Reaktiivipanssarointi on valinnainen. Moottori on päivitetty UTD-32:ksi, jossa on 660 hv. Vaunu voidaan varustaa panssarintorjuntaohjusten torjuntajärjestelmä ARENAlla.
Muutamia kansallisia erikoisuuksia suunnittelussa:
The vehicle has an unconventional layout. The engine is in the back of the vehicle to the right (unlike most other IFVs, which have the engine located forward in the hull). As a result, the driver is seated forward in the hull (in the center) together with two infantrymen (one on each side of the driver). The vehicle has a double bottom and the engine is located under the floor of the vehicle (troops enter/leave the vehicle over the engine). The remaining five infantrymen are seated aft of the two-man turret.
@SJ , tapasi mukaan kysyt kuitenkin, missä on polttoainesäiliö
Over the frontal, the vehicle is protected against 30 mm gun rounds at a range of 200 m. In addition to "hard" protection, the BMP-3's self-healing fuel tank is located in front of the driver, directly behind the front armour plating. It is specially constructed to act as armour, effective against shaped charge warheads as well as any autocannon shells that managed to go through the front armour.
Miehistö
3+7
Aseistus
100 mm rihlatun kanuunan 2A70 tiedot: Tulinopeus: 8–10 laukausta/min Lataus: Automaattilataaja (Lataajan täyttö käsin ja ohjukset käsin) Ammustäyttö: 40 kpl 100 mm HE-Shapnel tai 100 mm HE-I kranaattia, joista 22 ladattuna ja 5 kpl AT-10 Basnya tai AT-14 ohjusta, joista 3 ladattuna
30 mm automaattikanuuna 2A72 tiedot: Tulinopeus: 350 laukausta/min. Ammustäyttö: 500 ammusta ladattuna. Ammustyyppi: 30 mm alikaliiperiammus tai sirpalekranaatti
Mitat
- 3 kpl 7,62 mm konekivääriä
- 2 kpl kolmen savunheittimen patteria (VEES)
Pituus: 7,14 m
Leveys: 3,15 m
Korkeus: 2,30 m
Maavara: 0,51 m
Taistelumassa
18 700kg
Nopeus
Tiellä 70 km/h
Vedessä 10 km/h
Toimintamatka
600 km tiellä
Panssarointi
30–35 mm edessä
Countermeasures
The hull and turret are made of a high-strength aluminium alloy, with the front of the hull being provided with an extra steel plate welded over it plus spaced armour from the trim vane. The turret is also provided with a thick steel spaced armour shield over its frontal arc. Over the frontal, the vehicle is protected against 30 mm gun rounds at a range of 200 m.[14] In addition to "hard" protection, the BMP-3's self-healing fuel tank is located in front of the driver, directly behind the front armour plating. It is specially constructed to act as armour, effective against shaped charge warheads as well as any autocannon shells that managed to go through the front armour.
The BMP-3 can lay its own smoke screen by injecting fuel into the exhaust manifolds. A chemical agent detector, an FVU filtration system, an automatic fire extinguisher and six 902V "Tucha-2" 81 mm smoke grenade launchers are standard.
At least two distinct sets of explosive reactive armour kit are currently available, giving the BMP-3 protection from less advanced rocket propelled grenades. One of them is the Kaktus ERA kit, which has a unique design that creates minimal acoustic and kinetic backlash to the armour behind it upon detonation, thus ensuring that the occupants will not be harmed by shockwaves from the ERA block. The ERA blocks will completely disintegrate after detonation. According to Kurganmashzavod, the BMP-3 may also be fitted with additional side armour tiles, which can resist .50 caliber armour-piercing ammunition perpendicularly at close ranges. They give the BMP-3 added side protection from autocannon fire as well.
The BMP-3 also has the ability to carry a Shtora electro-optical jammer that disrupts semiautomatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) antitank guided missiles, laser rangefinders and target designators. Shtora is a soft-kill, or passive-countermeasure system.
Standard weight of the vehicle is 18.7 tonnes. If additional armor overlay (metal sheet of armor and Kaktus ERA) is installed, weight will reach to 22.2 tonnes. The body covered from the sides and the top. In such kit, it is protected against 12.7 mm machine gun rounds in the range of 100–200 m.
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Ilmeisen realistinen animaatio, kuin räjäytyskuva.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-3
Itseasiassa olin kyllä tietoinen tuon polttoainetankin sijainnista.
Tulee esille tällä videolla.
Ja tässä kuva siitä miten matkustajat on sijoiteltu vaunun sisään:
Eturivissä on keskellä kuski ja tyypit sen kummallakin puolella on ilmeisesti ryhmän KK-ampujat. Kyydissä ollessaan he operoivat vaunun etukulmilla olevia konekivääreitä. Jalkauduttuaan he käyttävät omia konekivääreitään. Näillä näytti olevan omat luukkunsa kannella, mutta kysymys kuuluu, että kykeneekö ne käyttämään niitä etenkään konekivääriensä kanssa. Tai onko nämä ukot sittenkään kk ampujia, siis olisiko siellä todettu, että parempi kun KK-ampujat pääsevät poistumaan takaluukusta hieman nopeammin ja nuo edessä istuvat on jotakin muita janttereita.
JR49
Respected Leader
Aikaisemmin oli itävaunujen lämpötähystimistä puhe. Nyt oli kyllä vähän hankala etsiä tietoa, mutta BMP-3M on vientimalli, jossa on ranskalaisten tekemä lämpötähystin. Se nyt jää vähän epäselväksi vielä, onko Venäjällä käytössä olevilla myös sellainen, vaikkei ehkä ranskalainen. Oletko perehtynyt?Itseasiassa olin kyllä tietoinen tuon polttoainetankin sijainnista.
Tulee esille tällä videolla.
Ja tässä kuva siitä miten matkustajat on sijoiteltu vaunun sisään:
Eturivissä on keskellä kuski ja tyypit sen kummallakin puolella on ilmeisesti ryhmän KK-ampujat. Kyydissä ollessaan he operoivat vaunun etukulmilla olevia konekivääreitä. Jalkauduttuaan he käyttävät omia konekivääreitään. Näillä näytti olevan omat luukkunsa kannella, mutta kysymys kuuluu, että kykeneekö ne käyttämään niitä etenkään konekivääriensä kanssa. Tai onko nämä ukot sittenkään kk ampujia, siis olisiko siellä todettu, että parempi kun KK-ampujat pääsevät poistumaan takaluukusta hieman nopeammin ja nuo edessä istuvat on jotakin muita janttereita.
Näitähän saattaisi tulla vastaan parin ensimmäisen kaartindivisioonan kalustona.
Löytämäsi video oli seikkaperäinen. Huomio kiinnittyi kohdalta 2:40 alkaen noihin takakannen kansiosan miehistöluukkujen paksuuksiin. Heikko kohta? Kun ottaa huomioon Ukrainasta kantautuneet tiedot, että jopa 122 milliset sirpalekranut olleet yllättävän tehokkaita.
Joka tapauksessa on hyvä, että tykistö ostaa näitä Bonuksia. Nämähän ovat jo keveitä tankkeja.
BMP-3M improved export version, fitted with new UTD-32T turbocharged engine, developing 660 hp. This IFV also has new fire control system;
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bmp_3.htm
Upgraded BMP-3M vehicle
KBP and Kurganmashzavod have upgraded the vehicle with a new turret and engines. The upgraded vehicle is called the BMP-3M and the new turret includes a new automatic fire control system with digital computer, new BZS1 gunner's sight with SAGEM thermal imager and laser illuminator, TKN-AI commander's periscope with laser infrared illuminator and new ammunition-loading system.
The BMP-3M will also be able to fire ammunition types including new 100mm laser-guided projectiles, new 100mm HE-FRAG (high-explosive fragmentation) rounds and new 30mm APSDS (armour-piercing discarding sabot) rounds.
Additional passive armour protection is effective against 12.7mm armour-piercing rounds from a range of 50m. Explosive reactive armour is available as an option. The new uprated engine is the UTD-32, which is rated at 660hp.
In February 2011, UAE signed a $74m contract with Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport to upgrade its 135 BMP-3 vehicles. The upgrade is expected to convert these vehicles into BMP-3M standard.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmp-3/
Joka tapauksessa Arabi-Emiraatteihin toimitetuissa on ranskalaiset kamat:
The French company SAGEM, with Kurganmashzavod and Peleng of Belarus, have developed the Namut thermal sight for the BMP-3.
This sight is based on the SAGEM Athos eight – 12 micron three field of view thermal imager and is fitted to the BMP-3 ICVs delivered to the United Arab Emirates.
Wiki:
BMP-3M – KBP and Kurganmashzavod have upgraded the vehicle with a new turret and engines. The upgraded vehicle is called the BMP-3M and the new turret includes a new automatic fire control system with ballistic computer, new SOZH gunner's sight with laser rangefinder and an ATGM guidance channel, thermal imager, TKN-AI commander's vision device with laser illuminator and new ammunition loading system for ATGM.[18] The BMP-3M is also able to fire various ammunition types, including new 100 mm laser-guided projectiles, new 100 mm HE-FRAG (high explosive fragmentation) rounds and new 30 mm APDS (armour piercing discarding sabot) rounds. Additional passive armour protection is effective against 12.7 mm armour-piercing rounds from a range of 50 m. Explosive reactive armour is available as an option. The new uprated engine is the UTD-32, which is rated at 660 hp.[19] There are actually several different M models, some fitted with additional armour, "Arena-E" or "Shtora-1" protection system, air conditioner etc.
Viimeksi muokattu:
Olen siinä uskossa, että naapurilla ei ole vieläkään kaikissa IFV:issä IP kameraa, ei edes BMP-3:ssa standardina, vaan ainoastaan joissakin malleissa, eikä mahdollisesti ollenkaan palveluskäytössä olevissa malleissa. Panssarivaunuissa ilmeisesti tilanne on pitkälti sama, joskin T-90 malleissa on 2006 lähtien on ollut IP-kamera (2010 alkoi lisenssituotanto venäjällä) ja tässä taannoin alkoi T-72 malleihin tulla IP kameroita.
JR49
Respected Leader
Onko se just toi fransmannien vehje lisenssituotannossa?
Taitaa olla, olikohan Catherine nimeltään. Kertoo omaa kieltään Venäjän IP-tekniikan jälkeenjääneisyydestä. Esim. ilmataisteluohjusten kuvantavia hakupäitä ei Venäjällä ystytä tekemään vaikka ne ovat lännessä jo vakiokamaa uusissa ohjuksissa.
JR49
Respected Leader
Ok
Ei taida pakotepolitiikka vaikuttaa tuohon? Tuossahan olisi yksi pullonkaula, jolla heikentää vastustajaa.
Hmm, onko siis tuo legendaarinen Armata, joka torjuu vaikka sata kohti tulevaa ydinohjusta, länsimaisen lämppärin varassa?
Hyvin todennäköisesti. Vaikka itse ne sen ilmeisesti valmistavat lisenssillä.
Omaa suunnittelua edustaa vanhempi Agave-2 ja uudempi Agat. Laadusta ei tietoa.
Viimeksi muokattu:
Tuossa lisenssivalmistuksessakin voi olla monta tapaa toteutuksessa. Voihan se olla että SAGEM tai kuka sitten onkaan toimittaa itse kennon (sensori) siihen lämpökameraan ja sitten kokonaisuus kootaan heidän omilla tehtaillaan osittain omista komponenteista. Tietenkin tuollaisen tuotannon omatessa myös omien kennojen valmistus luulisi onnistuvan.
JR49
Respected Leader
Tällainen löytyi. Ilmeisesti 1.000 on tehty. Mutta että jatkuuko tuotanto vai ei, niin ota tästä sitten selvä.
Toivoa on, että kun ne Mistralit peruutti, niin ehkäpä lämppäriin on lyöty kapuloita rattaisiin.
https://euobserver.com/investigations/129953
French eyes for a Russian tiger
BRUSSELS, 25. Aug 2015, 09:21
Russian tanks are using French technology on the battlefields of east Ukraine. But will Russia’s new “star” tank, the Armata T-14, also rely on EU components despite the arms embargo?
France recently made headlines by cancelling its Mistral warships deal with Russia due to the Ukraine conflict.
But French transfer of military technology to Russia goes further.
Ukraine, last August near the town of Ilovaysk, captured a Russian T-72 tank from pro-Russia fighters. The fighters then recaptured it and Russian TV broadcast an image of the inside, which, according to Igor Sutyagin, an expert at Rusi, a British defence think tank, shows a thermal-imaging fire control system made by French firm Thales.
Russian manufacturer Uralvagonzavod has also published photos of its T-90 tank, which show fire control components made by a Thales subsidiary, Thompson CSF Optronique. The Russian side is also using T-90s in Ukraine.
Fire control systems are crucial to a tank’s performance.
“It’s no good having great armour and a great gun if you can’t see your enemy and if you can’t hit them when you do”, Nick de Larrinaga, an analyst at IHS Janes, a UK defence consultancy, told this website.
The Thales exports to Russia are no secret and began long before the EU imposed its Russia arms ban, in July last year.
The French firm started selling its systems to Russian arms-maker Rosoboronexport, which works hand-in-hand with Uralvagonzavod, in 2007.
It’s believed to have delivered more than 1,000 so far.
Thales, in 2012, also let Rosoboronexport manufacture the systems under licence at a facility in Vologda, north of Moscow.
Neither France nor Russia do transparency on defence contracts.
Both sides’ officials declined to tell EUobserver if Thales still works with Rosoboronexport despite the EU ban.
Thales also doesn’t do much transparency. Its spokeswoman, Sonia Le Guevel, said only that: “Thales [has] strictly respected sanctions towards Russia”.
She also said it “abides by the legislation concerning … sub-systems and components embedded in equipment”.
Compliance
Sanctions compliance need not mean no more exports, however.
The EU measures specifically target Rosoboronexport, blacklisting its CEO, and Uralvagonzavod.
But France persuaded EU states to say contracts concluded before 1 August 2014 are exempt.
This means that if Thales and Rosoboronexport have an old, loosely-worded “framework” contract, which doesn’t specify the number of units to be delivered, Thales can keep selling systems, components, and related services, while having “strictly respected” the EU ban.
In any case, EU reporting obligations show a volume of France-Russia transfers in the run-up to the Ukraine crisis in 2013.
France granted permits for €194.2 million of exports in the ML 5, ML11, and ML15 categories.
The categories cover “imaging … equipment”, “fire control, and related … equipment”, and “electronic equipment” for military use.
French documents also say that in first-quarter 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea, French firms applied for €14.6 million of permits for ML5 and ML15 Russia exports.
Other French papers, published last November, after the EU sanctions, say Russia is still Thales’ third-top “priority market”.
Russian tiger
The Armata T-14 is the flagship of Russia’s rearmament programme.
It’s also a propaganda meme, featured in Russian video games, and feted as a “star” tank by state media.
It was unveiled at the 9 May WWII parade in Moscow, painted with the orange-and-black tiger stripes of the St. George’s ribbon, an old Russian emblem, which, last year, became the unofficial badge of pro-Russia irregulars in Ukraine.
Uralvagonzavod has produced about 30 T-14 prototypes.
They're being field-tested by the Russian army, with mass-producion to start in 2016, reaching 120 tanks/year by 2018.
Russian defence chiefs say the T-14 is fully Russian-made.
A French source, who asked not to be named, also told EUobserver: “The Armata … is not open to foreign suppliers (especially from the EU), so Thales is in no way involved”.
But details of what’s inside are classified.
Pavel Felgenhauer, a Russian military analyst, said: “Even if I did know, I wouldn’t tell you, because I live in Russia and I could be designated as aiding and abetting the enemy”.
IHS Janes’ De Larrinaga noted: “On the new Russian tank, the fire control system is protected by two armoured doors to shield it from small-arms fire. During the 9 May parade these remained closed, so it’s not been possible to identify it”.
He said the claim the T-14 is fully home-made might be true.
Russia imported the French systems because it was cheaper and faster than to modernise its military-industrial complex, not because it lacks know-how.
The IHS Janes expert said, for instance, that Russian-made thermal imagers for airforce missile seekers are “highly rated”.
He also said Rosoboronexport might have “replicated” the French technology by now.
Made in Russia?
But with T-14 mass-production to start next year, De Larrinaga believes it’s more likely it has French systems or components under the bonnet.
Russia began its military-industrial overhaul in 2010.
But De Larrinaga said it’ll “be very expensive, take a great deal of time, and possibly end up making an inferior product”.
He noted it would be much easier “to just take them [Thales products] off the older tanks and put them on the T-14”. He added that: “Thales might not know on what tanks its systems end up”.
Other experts agree.
Felgenhauer told EUobserver it’s “most likely” the T-14 uses French technology.
Dmitry Gorenburg, a Russian expert at CNA, a Washington-based NGO, said: “Since the Russian defence industry is known to be unable to produce all components of such systems domestically, it stands to reason it [French technology] has been used to some extent”.
“They may have resorted to using shell companies to circumvent [EU] sanctions”, he added.
Components
Two components in fire control systems are microbolometer arrays and screen matrices.
Microbolometer arrays capture infrared images without requiring cooling, making systems more efficient.
The screen matrix defines the sharpness of the image, making targets easier to identify.
For its part, Taja Global, a US cyber security firm, says it has evidence Russia tried to buy arrays from EU suppliers on the black.
The firm, in May, compiled a report which it shared with The Intercept, an investigative website.
It’s based on hacked emails from Alexey Beseda, the son of Sergei Beseda, a Russian intelligence officer.
It says Russia, in 2013, created several shell firms, including Cyclone-IR and Rayfast, which is registered in Cyprus, to buy arrays from Western firms because its defence chiefs saw the EU arms ban coming.
Rusi’s Sutyagin told EUobserver the T-14 also needs Western-made matrices.
He said even the older Thales models have a resolution of 754x576 pixels, but the best Russia can make have 640x512 pixels.
“The Armata needs a certain degree of Western support”, he noted.
He added that Thales isn’t the only potential source.
French firm Sagem has supplied thermal sights for Russian T-90s and electro optical infra-red systems for Russian Ka-52 attack helicopters.
Sutyagin also said Belarus, which sells arms and components to Russia, uses French products in its thermal gun sights despite the EU’s, separate, Belarus arms ban.
Hot climate
Undesirable end-use is not new for EU exporters.
EU states, in 2013, granted €3.9 billion of permits for arms sales to Saudi Arabia, which is, of late, bombing Libya and Yemen despite EU complaints.
But technology transfer to Russia is alarming in the current climate.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is the first war of territorial conquest in Europe since 1945.
Its provocations against the Baltic States, which are Nato members, its military manoeuvres, and its revanchist propaganda have brought relations with the West to their lowest point since the Cold War.
The US recently stationed tanks in the Baltic States and Poland as a Russia-deterrent.
The FT also reports that easterly Nato countries are ordering more tanks from German manufacturers.
The ELN, a British think tank, said in July that Nato and Russia military drills in the past 18 months look like they’re “preparing for a possible confrontation”.
Thales’ approach
For her part, Le Guevel, Thales’ spokeswoman, indicated that it cares about its reputation.
She said sanctions compliance is part of its “comprehensive approach to ethical practices and corporate responsibility”.
But its “approach” hasn't stopped its products from being used by Russia’s hybrid force of “off-duty” soldiers, mercenaries, and nationalist militias to kill Ukrainian soldiers and civilians.
Rusi’s Sutyagin said technology transfer confers an intelligence advantage.
He said if you sell systems or components to your adversary, you gain insight into their capabilities.
But he warned the transfer works both ways.
“It means you also use the same type of thermals [gun sights], which means you don’t have superiority in the detection range or clarity over your opponent”.
Toivoa on, että kun ne Mistralit peruutti, niin ehkäpä lämppäriin on lyöty kapuloita rattaisiin.
https://euobserver.com/investigations/129953
French eyes for a Russian tiger
T-14 prototypes in Moscow on 9 May (Photo: Vitaly V. Kuzmin)
BRUSSELS, 25. Aug 2015, 09:21
Russian tanks are using French technology on the battlefields of east Ukraine. But will Russia’s new “star” tank, the Armata T-14, also rely on EU components despite the arms embargo?
France recently made headlines by cancelling its Mistral warships deal with Russia due to the Ukraine conflict.
T-72 tank with Thales system, captured in Ukraine last August (Photo: rusi.org)
But French transfer of military technology to Russia goes further.
Ukraine, last August near the town of Ilovaysk, captured a Russian T-72 tank from pro-Russia fighters. The fighters then recaptured it and Russian TV broadcast an image of the inside, which, according to Igor Sutyagin, an expert at Rusi, a British defence think tank, shows a thermal-imaging fire control system made by French firm Thales.
Russian manufacturer Uralvagonzavod has also published photos of its T-90 tank, which show fire control components made by a Thales subsidiary, Thompson CSF Optronique. The Russian side is also using T-90s in Ukraine.
Fire control systems are crucial to a tank’s performance.
“It’s no good having great armour and a great gun if you can’t see your enemy and if you can’t hit them when you do”, Nick de Larrinaga, an analyst at IHS Janes, a UK defence consultancy, told this website.
The Thales exports to Russia are no secret and began long before the EU imposed its Russia arms ban, in July last year.
The French firm started selling its systems to Russian arms-maker Rosoboronexport, which works hand-in-hand with Uralvagonzavod, in 2007.
It’s believed to have delivered more than 1,000 so far.
Thales, in 2012, also let Rosoboronexport manufacture the systems under licence at a facility in Vologda, north of Moscow.
Neither France nor Russia do transparency on defence contracts.
Both sides’ officials declined to tell EUobserver if Thales still works with Rosoboronexport despite the EU ban.
Thales also doesn’t do much transparency. Its spokeswoman, Sonia Le Guevel, said only that: “Thales [has] strictly respected sanctions towards Russia”.
She also said it “abides by the legislation concerning … sub-systems and components embedded in equipment”.
Compliance
Sanctions compliance need not mean no more exports, however.
The EU measures specifically target Rosoboronexport, blacklisting its CEO, and Uralvagonzavod.
But France persuaded EU states to say contracts concluded before 1 August 2014 are exempt.
This means that if Thales and Rosoboronexport have an old, loosely-worded “framework” contract, which doesn’t specify the number of units to be delivered, Thales can keep selling systems, components, and related services, while having “strictly respected” the EU ban.
In any case, EU reporting obligations show a volume of France-Russia transfers in the run-up to the Ukraine crisis in 2013.
France granted permits for €194.2 million of exports in the ML 5, ML11, and ML15 categories.
The categories cover “imaging … equipment”, “fire control, and related … equipment”, and “electronic equipment” for military use.
French documents also say that in first-quarter 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea, French firms applied for €14.6 million of permits for ML5 and ML15 Russia exports.
Other French papers, published last November, after the EU sanctions, say Russia is still Thales’ third-top “priority market”.
Russian tiger
The Armata T-14 is the flagship of Russia’s rearmament programme.
It’s also a propaganda meme, featured in Russian video games, and feted as a “star” tank by state media.
It was unveiled at the 9 May WWII parade in Moscow, painted with the orange-and-black tiger stripes of the St. George’s ribbon, an old Russian emblem, which, last year, became the unofficial badge of pro-Russia irregulars in Ukraine.
Uralvagonzavod has produced about 30 T-14 prototypes.
They're being field-tested by the Russian army, with mass-producion to start in 2016, reaching 120 tanks/year by 2018.
Russian defence chiefs say the T-14 is fully Russian-made.
A French source, who asked not to be named, also told EUobserver: “The Armata … is not open to foreign suppliers (especially from the EU), so Thales is in no way involved”.
But details of what’s inside are classified.
Pavel Felgenhauer, a Russian military analyst, said: “Even if I did know, I wouldn’t tell you, because I live in Russia and I could be designated as aiding and abetting the enemy”.
IHS Janes’ De Larrinaga noted: “On the new Russian tank, the fire control system is protected by two armoured doors to shield it from small-arms fire. During the 9 May parade these remained closed, so it’s not been possible to identify it”.
He said the claim the T-14 is fully home-made might be true.
Russia imported the French systems because it was cheaper and faster than to modernise its military-industrial complex, not because it lacks know-how.
The IHS Janes expert said, for instance, that Russian-made thermal imagers for airforce missile seekers are “highly rated”.
He also said Rosoboronexport might have “replicated” the French technology by now.
Made in Russia?
But with T-14 mass-production to start next year, De Larrinaga believes it’s more likely it has French systems or components under the bonnet.
Russia began its military-industrial overhaul in 2010.
But De Larrinaga said it’ll “be very expensive, take a great deal of time, and possibly end up making an inferior product”.
He noted it would be much easier “to just take them [Thales products] off the older tanks and put them on the T-14”. He added that: “Thales might not know on what tanks its systems end up”.
Other experts agree.
Felgenhauer told EUobserver it’s “most likely” the T-14 uses French technology.
Dmitry Gorenburg, a Russian expert at CNA, a Washington-based NGO, said: “Since the Russian defence industry is known to be unable to produce all components of such systems domestically, it stands to reason it [French technology] has been used to some extent”.
“They may have resorted to using shell companies to circumvent [EU] sanctions”, he added.
Components
Two components in fire control systems are microbolometer arrays and screen matrices.
Microbolometer arrays capture infrared images without requiring cooling, making systems more efficient.
The screen matrix defines the sharpness of the image, making targets easier to identify.
For its part, Taja Global, a US cyber security firm, says it has evidence Russia tried to buy arrays from EU suppliers on the black.
The firm, in May, compiled a report which it shared with The Intercept, an investigative website.
It’s based on hacked emails from Alexey Beseda, the son of Sergei Beseda, a Russian intelligence officer.
It says Russia, in 2013, created several shell firms, including Cyclone-IR and Rayfast, which is registered in Cyprus, to buy arrays from Western firms because its defence chiefs saw the EU arms ban coming.
Rusi’s Sutyagin told EUobserver the T-14 also needs Western-made matrices.
He said even the older Thales models have a resolution of 754x576 pixels, but the best Russia can make have 640x512 pixels.
“The Armata needs a certain degree of Western support”, he noted.
He added that Thales isn’t the only potential source.
French firm Sagem has supplied thermal sights for Russian T-90s and electro optical infra-red systems for Russian Ka-52 attack helicopters.
Sutyagin also said Belarus, which sells arms and components to Russia, uses French products in its thermal gun sights despite the EU’s, separate, Belarus arms ban.
Hot climate
Undesirable end-use is not new for EU exporters.
EU states, in 2013, granted €3.9 billion of permits for arms sales to Saudi Arabia, which is, of late, bombing Libya and Yemen despite EU complaints.
But technology transfer to Russia is alarming in the current climate.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is the first war of territorial conquest in Europe since 1945.
Its provocations against the Baltic States, which are Nato members, its military manoeuvres, and its revanchist propaganda have brought relations with the West to their lowest point since the Cold War.
The US recently stationed tanks in the Baltic States and Poland as a Russia-deterrent.
The FT also reports that easterly Nato countries are ordering more tanks from German manufacturers.
The ELN, a British think tank, said in July that Nato and Russia military drills in the past 18 months look like they’re “preparing for a possible confrontation”.
Thales’ approach
For her part, Le Guevel, Thales’ spokeswoman, indicated that it cares about its reputation.
She said sanctions compliance is part of its “comprehensive approach to ethical practices and corporate responsibility”.
But its “approach” hasn't stopped its products from being used by Russia’s hybrid force of “off-duty” soldiers, mercenaries, and nationalist militias to kill Ukrainian soldiers and civilians.
Rusi’s Sutyagin said technology transfer confers an intelligence advantage.
He said if you sell systems or components to your adversary, you gain insight into their capabilities.
But he warned the transfer works both ways.
“It means you also use the same type of thermals [gun sights], which means you don’t have superiority in the detection range or clarity over your opponent”.