Irakin ja Levantin islamilainen valtio tai Irakin ja Suur-Syyrian islamilainen valtio (ISIS)
vlad
Respected Leader
Tästä on esitetty jo sen suuntaisia arveluita, että viimeaikojen ISIS:n lukuisat tappiot Syyriassa ja Irakissa ovat omalta osaltaan vaikuttaneet Pariisin tapahtumiin, että tappioiden myötä ISIS:n oli tehtävä jotain osoittaakseen kannattajilleen voimansa ja sen seurauksena solu aktivoitiin ja toimeenpantiin nähty isku. (Mietityttää vain, että onko aika riittänyt tällaisen koordinointiin vai onko jo aiemmin laadittu jokin suunnitelma jossa osa perjantain tapahtumista on huomioitu, joten nyt ei tarvinnut tehdä muuta kuin viimehetken hiontaa?)
Nigeriassa Boko Haram on toiminut hiukan samalla tapaa, siinä vaiheessa kun heille alkoi tulla tappioita rintamalla ja he joutuivat perääntymään osalta valtaamistaan alueista Boko Haram aloitti laajamittaisen itsemurhaiskujen sarjan, joka jatkuu eräiltä osin edelleenkin. Boko Haramin tapauksessa iskujen suorittajina oli hyvin nuoria tyttöjä aikuisten ohella. Pariisissa nuorin on ollut 15-vuotias ja muitakin alle 18-vuotiaita on ilmeisesti ollut osallisena iskussa.
Tulevina kuukausina saamme hiukan tarkemman kuvan siitä mihin suuntaan asetelma kääntyy - Pariisin tapahtumat voivat olla se tapahtuma, joka määrittää ISIS:n tulevaisuuden. Pärjätäkseen ja lisätäkseen kannatusta sen on saatava voittoja ja näkyvyyttä, tappiot taistelukentällä ja alueiden/kaupunkien menetykset voivat kääntää kelkan hyvinkin pian sille epäsuotuisaksi.
Ja tänään al-Raqqaan on tehty ilmeisesti hyvinkin suuri ilmaisku, tavanomaista voimakkaampi ja se kohdistui etenkin kaupungin keskutan alueelle. ISIS:n hallinnon ytimeen on siis isketty tavanomaista voimakkaammin - signaali annettu ISIS:lle. Seuraavaksi al-Raqqa?
vlad.
BlackFox
Ylipäällikkö
Näin itse veikkaisin.
miheikki
Greatest Leader
Vahvensin hiukan. Ihmeellistä pellesodankäyntiä tähän asti.
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1447648202441.html
Yhdysvaltojen ilmavoimat iski rajusti Syyriaan – 116 Isisin öljyrekkaa tuhottiin pommeilla ja tykeillä
Yhdysvaltojen ilmavoimien A-10-kone kuvattuna Riikassa lokakuussa. (KUVA: INTS KALNINS)
Julkaistu: 16.11. 13:57
Yhdysvallat yrittää tuhota terroristijärjestön tulonlähteet.
New York Times ja uutistoimisto AFP kertovat, että painetta terroristijärjestö Isisiä vastaan kasvatetaan kovaa vauhtia. Sunnuntain ja maanantain välisenä yönä Ranska aloitti uuden ilmaiskujen sarjan Isisin pääkaupunkia Raqqaa vastaan Syyriassa. Maanantaina ilmaiskuja jatkoi myös Yhdysvallat.
Yhdysvaltojen hävittäjät ovat iskeneet maanantain aikana ensimmäistä kertaa terroristijärjestölle elintärkeään kohteeseen – öljynkuljetukseen. Pommituksista oli päätetty jo ennen perjantaina Pariisissa tapahtuneita terrori-iskuja, joiden taustalla on Isis.
Raakaöljyn salakuljettamisen arvioidaan tuovat terroristijärjestölle jopa 40 miljoonan dollarin kuukausitulot. New York Timesin mukaan kuuden koneen voimin tehdyissä iskuissa on tuhoutunut Deir al-Zourin alueella tähän mennessä jo 116 rekkaa.
Aiemmin Yhdysvallat on pidättäytynyt rekkoihin kohdistuvista iskuista siviiliväestön suojelun perusteella.
Pommeja ja tykkitulta
Siviiliuhrien minimoimiseksi miehittämättömät lennokit ovat seuranneet jopa tuhatta rekkaa. Lisäksi F-15-hävittäjät pudottivat ennen iskua lentolehtisiä, joissa rekkakuskeja kehotettiin jättämään ajoneuvonsa. Kun oikeat kohteet oli saatu selville, alkoi pommitus. Mukana pommituksissa on ollut neljä A-10-maataistelulentokonetta ja kaksi AC-130 -tulitukikonetta.
Pommien pudottamisen jälkeen AC-130-koneet avasivat tulen 30 mm:n konetykeillä ja 105 mm:n kanuunoilla.
Yhdysvaltain presidentti Barack Obama totesi sunnuntaisessa lehdistötilaisuudessa, että Yhdysvallat aikoo tehdä merkittäviä lisäpanostuksia Isisin pysäyttämiseksi Syyriassa ja muuallakin maailmassa.
Ilmaiskuja Syyriassa tekevät Yhdysvaltojen lisäksi Ranska, arabiliittouma ja Venäjä. Myös Syyrian hallitus on iskenyt ilmasta Isisiä vastaan.
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US airstrikes target Islamic State leaders in Libya and Syria
By Bill Roggio | November 14th, 2015
Over the past 48 hours, the US military has targeted Islamic State leaders with airstrikes in Syria and Iraq. The first strike, which took place in Raqqa, Syria, on Nov. 12, targeted Mohamed Emwazi, the infamous British executioner who is better known as “Jihadi John.” Emwazi was the masked man behind the videotaped murders of US, British, and Japanese reporters and aide workers. From a Department of Defense press release announcing the strike:
US forces yesterday conducted an airstrike in Raqqa, Syria, targeting Mohamed Emwazi, also known as “Jihadi John,” according to a statement issued by Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook.
“Emwazi, a British citizen, participated in the videos showing the murders of US journalists Steven Sotloff and James Foley, US aid worker Abdul-Rahman Kassig, British aid workers David Haines and Alan Henning, Japanese journalist Kenji Goto, and a number of other hostages,” Cook said in the statement.
“We are assessing the results of tonight’s operation and will provide additional information as and where appropriate,” Cook added.
US officials are fairly certain Emwazi is dead. The Islamic State has not released an official statement announcing his death.
Yesterday, the US targeted an Iraqi jihadist known as Abu Nabil. The military said this was “the first US strike against an ISIL [Islamic State] leader in Libya” and the “operation was authorized and initiated prior to the terrorist attack in Paris,” which was carried out by the Islamic State. From the press release:
On November 13, the US military conducted an airstrike in Libya against Abu Nabil, aka Wissam Najm Abd Zayd al Zubaydi, an Iraqi national who was a longtime al Qaeda operative and the senior ISIL leader in Libya.
Reporting suggests he may also have been the spokesman in the February 2015 Coptic Christian execution video. Nabil’s death will degrade ISIL’s ability to meet the group’s objectives in Libya, including recruiting new ISIL members, establishing bases in Libya, and planning external attacks on the United States.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...-islamic-state-leaders-in-libya-and-syria.php
The press release noted that the strike against Abu Babil “demonstrates [that] we will go after ISIL leaders wherever they operate.”
The strikes that targeted Emwazi and Abu Nabil should serve as a reminder that 14 years after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the US, the military and intelligence establishment remain hyper focused on targeting individuals in the hopes of causing the collapse of jihadist groups. Unfortunately as the US drone campaigns in Pakistan and Yemen have shown, jihadist groups (in those cases, al Qaeda, and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, respectively) have proven to be resilient in the face of the targeting and killing of its leaders and key operatives. Al Qaeda and its splinter group the Islamic State control territory and have a deep bench of leaders and operatives who are willing to step in for those killed in the air campaigns. Last night’s suicide assault in Paris, France should serve as a reminder that these groups cannot be dismantled by air power alone.
By Bill Roggio | November 14th, 2015
Over the past 48 hours, the US military has targeted Islamic State leaders with airstrikes in Syria and Iraq. The first strike, which took place in Raqqa, Syria, on Nov. 12, targeted Mohamed Emwazi, the infamous British executioner who is better known as “Jihadi John.” Emwazi was the masked man behind the videotaped murders of US, British, and Japanese reporters and aide workers. From a Department of Defense press release announcing the strike:
US forces yesterday conducted an airstrike in Raqqa, Syria, targeting Mohamed Emwazi, also known as “Jihadi John,” according to a statement issued by Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook.
“Emwazi, a British citizen, participated in the videos showing the murders of US journalists Steven Sotloff and James Foley, US aid worker Abdul-Rahman Kassig, British aid workers David Haines and Alan Henning, Japanese journalist Kenji Goto, and a number of other hostages,” Cook said in the statement.
“We are assessing the results of tonight’s operation and will provide additional information as and where appropriate,” Cook added.
US officials are fairly certain Emwazi is dead. The Islamic State has not released an official statement announcing his death.
Yesterday, the US targeted an Iraqi jihadist known as Abu Nabil. The military said this was “the first US strike against an ISIL [Islamic State] leader in Libya” and the “operation was authorized and initiated prior to the terrorist attack in Paris,” which was carried out by the Islamic State. From the press release:
On November 13, the US military conducted an airstrike in Libya against Abu Nabil, aka Wissam Najm Abd Zayd al Zubaydi, an Iraqi national who was a longtime al Qaeda operative and the senior ISIL leader in Libya.
Reporting suggests he may also have been the spokesman in the February 2015 Coptic Christian execution video. Nabil’s death will degrade ISIL’s ability to meet the group’s objectives in Libya, including recruiting new ISIL members, establishing bases in Libya, and planning external attacks on the United States.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...-islamic-state-leaders-in-libya-and-syria.php
The press release noted that the strike against Abu Babil “demonstrates [that] we will go after ISIL leaders wherever they operate.”
The strikes that targeted Emwazi and Abu Nabil should serve as a reminder that 14 years after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the US, the military and intelligence establishment remain hyper focused on targeting individuals in the hopes of causing the collapse of jihadist groups. Unfortunately as the US drone campaigns in Pakistan and Yemen have shown, jihadist groups (in those cases, al Qaeda, and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, respectively) have proven to be resilient in the face of the targeting and killing of its leaders and key operatives. Al Qaeda and its splinter group the Islamic State control territory and have a deep bench of leaders and operatives who are willing to step in for those killed in the air campaigns. Last night’s suicide assault in Paris, France should serve as a reminder that these groups cannot be dismantled by air power alone.
vlad
Respected Leader
Egyptin viranomaiset pidättäneet kaksi Sharm el-Sheikin lentokentän työntekijää epäiltynä yhteydestä venäläiskoneen putoamiseen:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/egypt...onnection-russian-jet-crash-2015-11?r=US&IR=T
"CAIRO (Reuters) - Egyptian authorities have detained two employees of Sharm al-Sheikh airport in connection with the downing of a Russian jet on Oct. 31, killing all 224 people on board, two security officials said on Tuesday.
"Seventeen people are being held, two of them are suspected of helping whoever planted the bomb on the plane at Sharm al-Sheikh airport," one of the officials said."
Jo WTC:n jälkeen alkoi spekulointi siitä, että kun terroristien mahdollisuus kaapata koneita vaikeutuu, he ryhtyvät soluttautumaan henkilökuntaan (kentielle & koneisiin) tai värväämään henkilöitä lentokentiltä joukkoihinsa - näyttää vahvasti siltä, että ISIS on tällaisessa toiminnassa onnistunut.
vlad.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/egypt...onnection-russian-jet-crash-2015-11?r=US&IR=T
"CAIRO (Reuters) - Egyptian authorities have detained two employees of Sharm al-Sheikh airport in connection with the downing of a Russian jet on Oct. 31, killing all 224 people on board, two security officials said on Tuesday.
"Seventeen people are being held, two of them are suspected of helping whoever planted the bomb on the plane at Sharm al-Sheikh airport," one of the officials said."
Jo WTC:n jälkeen alkoi spekulointi siitä, että kun terroristien mahdollisuus kaapata koneita vaikeutuu, he ryhtyvät soluttautumaan henkilökuntaan (kentielle & koneisiin) tai värväämään henkilöitä lentokentiltä joukkoihinsa - näyttää vahvasti siltä, että ISIS on tällaisessa toiminnassa onnistunut.
vlad.
vlad
Respected Leader
Venäjän on tänään useiden eri lähteiden mukaan laukaissut Välimereltä lukuisia risteilyohjuksia al-Raqqaan. Kaksi laukaistuista risteilyohjuksista on ilmeisesti tuhoutunut matkalla - Aleppon alueelta on löytynyt palavaa romua, jotka ovat jäänteitä venäläisistä risteilyohjuksista. Mielenkiintoiseksi asian tekee se, että Venäjällä on tällä hetkellä seuraavat pinta-alukset:
1x Slava luokan risteilijä (Moskva).
1x Kashin Mod. luokan hävittäjä.
2x Krivak luokan fregattia.
Ja jokunen rahtialus. Alueella olevista laivaston pinta-aluksista yksikään ei ole varustettu pitkän kantaman maa maaleja vastaan tarkoitetuilla risteilyohjuksilla, joten vaihtoehdot alkavat olla vähissä eli Välimerellä on Venäjän laivaston risteilyohjuksin varustettu sukellusvene (tai vaihtoehtoisesti kyseessä voi olla: "A Klub-K variant, which is disguised as a shipping container that can be placed on a truck, train, or merchant vessel, was advertised in 2010 and was shown for the first time at the MAKS 2011 air show".)
vlad.
1x Slava luokan risteilijä (Moskva).
1x Kashin Mod. luokan hävittäjä.
2x Krivak luokan fregattia.
Ja jokunen rahtialus. Alueella olevista laivaston pinta-aluksista yksikään ei ole varustettu pitkän kantaman maa maaleja vastaan tarkoitetuilla risteilyohjuksilla, joten vaihtoehdot alkavat olla vähissä eli Välimerellä on Venäjän laivaston risteilyohjuksin varustettu sukellusvene (tai vaihtoehtoisesti kyseessä voi olla: "A Klub-K variant, which is disguised as a shipping container that can be placed on a truck, train, or merchant vessel, was advertised in 2010 and was shown for the first time at the MAKS 2011 air show".)
vlad.
vlad
Respected Leader
Sinjar on käytännössä vallattu, sen jälkeen kurdit ovat vapauttaneet useita kyliä Sinjarin ympäristössä ja laajentaneet hallinnassaan olevaa aluetta.
vlad.
John Hilly
Ylipäällikkö
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news...treets-of-paris-hours-before-the-attack-17185
Footage: Terrorist walking the streets of Paris hours before the attack
Street cameras documented Abdelsalam Salah, the eighth terrorist who took part in the deadly terror attacks in Paris, walking the streets of the French capital hours before the attacks. A manhunt after Salah is still underway.
Nov 16, 2015, 09:18PM | Tom Dolev
The investigation into the combined terror attacks in Paris continues in both France and Belgium. Throughout the past day, the names of all the members of the terror cell who took part in the attack have been published, including the “brains” behind the operation – Abdel-Hamid Abu Oud (28) from Belgium, who resides in Syria. Today (Monday) the British news network Sky published footage from street cameras in Paris, which documented terrorist Abdelsalam Salah (26), after which a manhunt is still underway, walking the streets of the French capital hours before the attacks.
Belgian media reported today that Salah was arrested in Molenbeek, a suburb that is affiliated with extreme Islamic elements, but France’s Attorney General denied the claims. Belgian Police forces raided a site in the city in the morning hours, based on intelligence information regarding the whereabouts of the terrorist. According to the reports, the police demanded that the suspect turn himself in but received no cooperation.
Salah, a French citizen, is suspected of being the eighth terrorist to take part in the attack and the only one to stay alive. According to the suspicions, he crossed the border between France and Belgium only hours after the terror attacks. He was stopped for questioning at the border crossing, but as his name was not on the wanted list, he was released and made his way to the Belgian suburb.
Many immigrants reside in Molenbeek, and the place has become one of the main targets for the local police following the deadly terror attack in France. In recent years, extreme Islamist elements have inhabited the suburb, which serves as a discrete and convenient base from which to carry out terror attacks. “It is fertile grounds for violence,” explained none other than the city mayor.
Footage: Terrorist walking the streets of Paris hours before the attack
Street cameras documented Abdelsalam Salah, the eighth terrorist who took part in the deadly terror attacks in Paris, walking the streets of the French capital hours before the attacks. A manhunt after Salah is still underway.
Nov 16, 2015, 09:18PM | Tom Dolev
The investigation into the combined terror attacks in Paris continues in both France and Belgium. Throughout the past day, the names of all the members of the terror cell who took part in the attack have been published, including the “brains” behind the operation – Abdel-Hamid Abu Oud (28) from Belgium, who resides in Syria. Today (Monday) the British news network Sky published footage from street cameras in Paris, which documented terrorist Abdelsalam Salah (26), after which a manhunt is still underway, walking the streets of the French capital hours before the attacks.
Belgian media reported today that Salah was arrested in Molenbeek, a suburb that is affiliated with extreme Islamic elements, but France’s Attorney General denied the claims. Belgian Police forces raided a site in the city in the morning hours, based on intelligence information regarding the whereabouts of the terrorist. According to the reports, the police demanded that the suspect turn himself in but received no cooperation.
Salah, a French citizen, is suspected of being the eighth terrorist to take part in the attack and the only one to stay alive. According to the suspicions, he crossed the border between France and Belgium only hours after the terror attacks. He was stopped for questioning at the border crossing, but as his name was not on the wanted list, he was released and made his way to the Belgian suburb.
Many immigrants reside in Molenbeek, and the place has become one of the main targets for the local police following the deadly terror attack in France. In recent years, extreme Islamist elements have inhabited the suburb, which serves as a discrete and convenient base from which to carry out terror attacks. “It is fertile grounds for violence,” explained none other than the city mayor.
VanhaPate
Respected Leader
http://yle.fi/uutiset/nain_isis_hou...jeston_some-viestinnassa_selva_muutos/8462825
Perspectives on Terrorism
Vol 9, No 4 (2015)
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/issue/view/53
vlad
Respected Leader
Sopinee parhaiten tähän ketjuun:
Business Insider: http://uk.businessinsider.com/ap-over-1200-european-jihadis-have-returned-in-past-2-years-2015-11
Eli yli 1200 eurooppalaista jihadistia on palannut takaisin sotatantereelta viimeisen parin vuoden kuluessa.
"More than 1,200 Europeans who joined Islamic extremists in Syria and Iraq have returned home in the past two years, an Associated Press count shows. Many have been jailed but others — absorbed into the underbelly of some of the continent's biggest cities — have thrived with impunity.
All five Frenchmen linked to Friday's attacks in Paris — four strapped with suicide vests and the fifth on the run — are among them, according to officials linked to the investigation, redoubling fears that the returnees form a pool of potential terror attackers. Many remain off the radar, and France's Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve acknowledged Tuesday that "the majority of those who were involved in this attack were unknown to our services."
The Belgian believed to have masterminded the Paris attacks bragged about his ability to return home from Syria, saying an ID check by police raised no flags. Two of the Frenchman responsible for the rock concert bloodbath had apparently done the same back and forth unnoticed, despite having files linking them to terrorism and Islamic radicalism.
France has the uncomfortable distinction of being Europe's leading exporter of jihadis — nearly 1,600 out of a continental total of over 5,000, according to government figures. And despite the government's promises after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January to block and prevent citizens from leaving for the war zone, the pace of departures has remained essentially unchanged.
An Associated Press analysis of government figures puts it at about 13 a month in the first 10 months of the year compared to an average of 12 a month in 2014.
Neighboring Belgium has sent more young men and women per capita than anywhere in the West. And the two groups of foreign fighters are bound together by a common tongue and nearly as often a common background, often living in the same compounds and entering the same combat units.
Both countries have paid the price in blood: last week's attacks in central Paris left at least 129 people dead; the coordinated assaults in January on the Charlie Hebdo newspaper and a kosher supermarket killed 17; the attack against a Jewish museum in Brussels that killed four last year. All the attacks were carried out by Frenchmen with close links to extremists abroad and all too often Brussels, and neighboring Molenbeek, on their itinerary.
"With the conflicts in Syria and Iraq in particular, there has been a radicalization that we have never seen before," said Molenbeek Mayor Francoise Schepmans in her office Monday. And the government knows the neighborhood has long had trouble to contain it, as too many terror cases show.
"I see there is nearly always a Molenbeek link. There is a gigantic problem," said Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel.
The French government's most recent figures put the number of returnees to that country at 250, but the number is clearly far higher. With the attacks on Paris and the coordinated assaults in January, French citizens have become both the leading killers among European extremists and its primary victims.
French officials estimate about 520 citizens are currently with extremists in Iraq and Syria, a number that has climbed steadily despite government promises to make blocking departures a priority. The numbers of departures exploded by 2014 — young people spurred in part by the chemical weapons attack that killed as many as 1,400 Syrians in August 2013 who said they wanted to help Syrian civilians and fight President Bashar Assad. The vast majority ended up with the Islamic State group.
Look beyond France, and there is a sense of the scale of the problem, and of the rising alarm of European intelligence officials. And because of Europe's open borders, returns appear to be nearly as fluid as departures.
"Syria has become the biggest factory of terrorists that the world has ever seen," French President Francois Hollande said Monday.
According to an AP count, Britain has an estimated 350 returnees. Germany has documented about 250 returnees while Belgium puts its figure at about 130. Sweden has a total of 115 as the only other European Union nation with triple digits.
Most ex-jihadis who return to France are arrested and charged with terrorism. With justice system moving at a snail's pace, people who left in 2013 and returned quickly are only just going on trial next month, according to Xavier Nogueras, a lawyer who represents more than two dozen of them. He spoke with the AP in an interview before Friday's attacks.
"The justice system is trying to make the effort to figure out who is dangerous and who is not, but because they don't have the manpower, they put them all in prison, and that can make them dangerous," he said. "There are so many of these people who now wait in prison, without knowing their fate. They are going to get more frustrated, ask 'why are you leaving me in prison to rot?'"
He estimates that two of his 25 cases are truly dangerous, and he said he has no interest in defending committed terrorists: "There's going to come a time when I'm going to have to stop this."
In Britain, 114 are awaiting trial while 21 have been convicted.
Petter Nesser, a senior researcher at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment, said those who commit terror attacks in Europe are both former foreign fighters and others who are simply inspired by the radical rhetoric. But the deadliest attackers, he said, have a background in jihadi warfare.
Nesser said that there are many ways of tackling returnees, and one way "is to combine prosecution and preventive moves."
"Right now, we do not know what actions really help," he said.
(Casert reported from Brussels, and Jamey Keaten and Thomas Adamson in Paris contributed to this report.)"
Charlie Hebdon isku ei ollut riittävän voimakas "wake up call" Euroopalle, toivottavasti Pariisin terrori-isku sitä on ja viimeistään nyt asiaan suhtaudutaan riittävällä vakavuudella kautta Euroopan (myös Suomessa). Satuilut "punahilkoista" on parempi jättää sikseen ja huomioida se, että - vaikka Pariisin iskujen tekijöistä suurin osa asui EU:n alueella pysyvästi - näitä taistelijoita palaa Eurooppaan ja moni voi yrittää siirtyä EU:n alueelle päästyään maasta toiseen "paperittomina pakolaisina", jolloin seuranta ja kontrollointi on olennaisella tapaa vaikeampaa.
Kyse ei ole panikoinnista vaan siitä, että ymmärretään se, että Suomi voi olla osallisena monellakin tapaa Eurooppaan kohdistuvassa terrorismissa. Täällä voi oleilla "nukkuvia soluja", jotka sitten siirtyvät iskemään keskeisiin kohteisiin, täältä rekrytoidaan taistelijoita ja ns. syrjäisenä maana Suomi voi tarjota sellaisia etuja joita Keski-Euroopassa ei ole. Edelleen osalla on vallalla ajatus, että riski ei kohdistu Suomeen, tai että pakolaiset ovat vilpittömällä asenteella liikkeellä pakenemassa terrorismia (jostain kumman syystä joukossa vaan on lukemattomia ex. taistelijoita, jotka pakenevat... "jotain"), tai että islamilla ei ole roolia tai rooli on minimaalinen tai että se on marginaalinen joukko muslimeita, jotka haluavat käydä jihadia länttä vastaan.
vlad.
Business Insider: http://uk.businessinsider.com/ap-over-1200-european-jihadis-have-returned-in-past-2-years-2015-11
Eli yli 1200 eurooppalaista jihadistia on palannut takaisin sotatantereelta viimeisen parin vuoden kuluessa.
"More than 1,200 Europeans who joined Islamic extremists in Syria and Iraq have returned home in the past two years, an Associated Press count shows. Many have been jailed but others — absorbed into the underbelly of some of the continent's biggest cities — have thrived with impunity.
All five Frenchmen linked to Friday's attacks in Paris — four strapped with suicide vests and the fifth on the run — are among them, according to officials linked to the investigation, redoubling fears that the returnees form a pool of potential terror attackers. Many remain off the radar, and France's Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve acknowledged Tuesday that "the majority of those who were involved in this attack were unknown to our services."
The Belgian believed to have masterminded the Paris attacks bragged about his ability to return home from Syria, saying an ID check by police raised no flags. Two of the Frenchman responsible for the rock concert bloodbath had apparently done the same back and forth unnoticed, despite having files linking them to terrorism and Islamic radicalism.
France has the uncomfortable distinction of being Europe's leading exporter of jihadis — nearly 1,600 out of a continental total of over 5,000, according to government figures. And despite the government's promises after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January to block and prevent citizens from leaving for the war zone, the pace of departures has remained essentially unchanged.
An Associated Press analysis of government figures puts it at about 13 a month in the first 10 months of the year compared to an average of 12 a month in 2014.
Neighboring Belgium has sent more young men and women per capita than anywhere in the West. And the two groups of foreign fighters are bound together by a common tongue and nearly as often a common background, often living in the same compounds and entering the same combat units.
Both countries have paid the price in blood: last week's attacks in central Paris left at least 129 people dead; the coordinated assaults in January on the Charlie Hebdo newspaper and a kosher supermarket killed 17; the attack against a Jewish museum in Brussels that killed four last year. All the attacks were carried out by Frenchmen with close links to extremists abroad and all too often Brussels, and neighboring Molenbeek, on their itinerary.
"With the conflicts in Syria and Iraq in particular, there has been a radicalization that we have never seen before," said Molenbeek Mayor Francoise Schepmans in her office Monday. And the government knows the neighborhood has long had trouble to contain it, as too many terror cases show.
"I see there is nearly always a Molenbeek link. There is a gigantic problem," said Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel.
The French government's most recent figures put the number of returnees to that country at 250, but the number is clearly far higher. With the attacks on Paris and the coordinated assaults in January, French citizens have become both the leading killers among European extremists and its primary victims.
French officials estimate about 520 citizens are currently with extremists in Iraq and Syria, a number that has climbed steadily despite government promises to make blocking departures a priority. The numbers of departures exploded by 2014 — young people spurred in part by the chemical weapons attack that killed as many as 1,400 Syrians in August 2013 who said they wanted to help Syrian civilians and fight President Bashar Assad. The vast majority ended up with the Islamic State group.
Look beyond France, and there is a sense of the scale of the problem, and of the rising alarm of European intelligence officials. And because of Europe's open borders, returns appear to be nearly as fluid as departures.
"Syria has become the biggest factory of terrorists that the world has ever seen," French President Francois Hollande said Monday.
According to an AP count, Britain has an estimated 350 returnees. Germany has documented about 250 returnees while Belgium puts its figure at about 130. Sweden has a total of 115 as the only other European Union nation with triple digits.
Most ex-jihadis who return to France are arrested and charged with terrorism. With justice system moving at a snail's pace, people who left in 2013 and returned quickly are only just going on trial next month, according to Xavier Nogueras, a lawyer who represents more than two dozen of them. He spoke with the AP in an interview before Friday's attacks.
"The justice system is trying to make the effort to figure out who is dangerous and who is not, but because they don't have the manpower, they put them all in prison, and that can make them dangerous," he said. "There are so many of these people who now wait in prison, without knowing their fate. They are going to get more frustrated, ask 'why are you leaving me in prison to rot?'"
He estimates that two of his 25 cases are truly dangerous, and he said he has no interest in defending committed terrorists: "There's going to come a time when I'm going to have to stop this."
In Britain, 114 are awaiting trial while 21 have been convicted.
Petter Nesser, a senior researcher at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment, said those who commit terror attacks in Europe are both former foreign fighters and others who are simply inspired by the radical rhetoric. But the deadliest attackers, he said, have a background in jihadi warfare.
Nesser said that there are many ways of tackling returnees, and one way "is to combine prosecution and preventive moves."
"Right now, we do not know what actions really help," he said.
(Casert reported from Brussels, and Jamey Keaten and Thomas Adamson in Paris contributed to this report.)"
Charlie Hebdon isku ei ollut riittävän voimakas "wake up call" Euroopalle, toivottavasti Pariisin terrori-isku sitä on ja viimeistään nyt asiaan suhtaudutaan riittävällä vakavuudella kautta Euroopan (myös Suomessa). Satuilut "punahilkoista" on parempi jättää sikseen ja huomioida se, että - vaikka Pariisin iskujen tekijöistä suurin osa asui EU:n alueella pysyvästi - näitä taistelijoita palaa Eurooppaan ja moni voi yrittää siirtyä EU:n alueelle päästyään maasta toiseen "paperittomina pakolaisina", jolloin seuranta ja kontrollointi on olennaisella tapaa vaikeampaa.
Kyse ei ole panikoinnista vaan siitä, että ymmärretään se, että Suomi voi olla osallisena monellakin tapaa Eurooppaan kohdistuvassa terrorismissa. Täällä voi oleilla "nukkuvia soluja", jotka sitten siirtyvät iskemään keskeisiin kohteisiin, täältä rekrytoidaan taistelijoita ja ns. syrjäisenä maana Suomi voi tarjota sellaisia etuja joita Keski-Euroopassa ei ole. Edelleen osalla on vallalla ajatus, että riski ei kohdistu Suomeen, tai että pakolaiset ovat vilpittömällä asenteella liikkeellä pakenemassa terrorismia (jostain kumman syystä joukossa vaan on lukemattomia ex. taistelijoita, jotka pakenevat... "jotain"), tai että islamilla ei ole roolia tai rooli on minimaalinen tai että se on marginaalinen joukko muslimeita, jotka haluavat käydä jihadia länttä vastaan.
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