Niillä saa vaihtokaupassa paljon karkkia ja limpparia esim Iranista.
vonrehausen
Luutnantti
EU taitaa taas pelkurimaisesti antaa periksi eikä lopetakaan kehitysapua Hamasille.
StepanRudanskij
Respected Leader
Näin se taitaa mennä. Nytkin jytisee Gazan taivaalla.
Solidsnake
Respected Leader
Siihen mitään lupia tarvipidätellään sitä pilliin viheltämista viellä tammikuun 5p asti... sitte ei koske enää minua..... Ai lähtisinkö siitä huolimati?... No suorastaan pyytäisin lupaa
Reddit - Dive into anything
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rty19
Greatest Leader
Jos joka asiaan vaaditaan kaikkien suostumus EU ei saa paljon mitään aikaan. Neuvottelut kestävät ikuisuuden ja yksittäisillä jäsenmailla aina iltalypsymahdollisuus - omalle maalle saattaa saada etua joltain EU:n ulkopuoliselta jos jonkun suunnitelman torppaa.
EU taitaa taas pelkurimaisesti antaa periksi eikä lopetakaan kehitysapua Hamasille.
Tässäkin asiassa kun jätettäisiin nämä muutama vastustajamaa ulkopuolelle, saisivat omista varoistaan tukea Palestiinaa minkä haluavat. Suurin osa jäsenmaista kannattaisi silti boikottia ja yhteissuunnitelman vastustajille joku sopiva/ei_liian_suuri sakkosumma.
Siviilipalvelusmies
Alikersantti
Yleensä olen lähes kaikesta eri mieltä mitä YLE tuuttaa näissä aihepiireissä, mutta itsekseni mietin jo eilen että panttivangeiksi jääneet saatetaan katsoa kuolleiksi joka tapauksessa. Muuten vastaiskua ei edes pystyisi toteuttamaan kunnolla. Raakaa, mutta äärimmäisen harva sieltä silti selviäisi elävänä vaikka IDF heti paikalla laskisi aseensa ja lopettaisi. Nuo on vielä pahempia kuin ryssät, tuskin Hamasin sanaan voisi luottaa kuitenkaan.
Korpijääkäri
Kapteeni
No jo on, melekosta touhua
ja ohjuksen lentoradasta Israel laskee mistä laukaistu? Tuossa ei niin sanotusti asemaa kovin nopeaa vaihdeta.
ak.tied
Respected Leader
Toisaalta tämä on viesti hamasille, että panttivankeja ei kannata ottaa, koska ei sillä ole merkitystä. Nyt jos lähdettäisiin varomaan ja neuvottelemaan, niin panttivangit tekisivät juuri sen tehtävän mitä hamas kuvittelikin ja olisi signaali siitä, että näin kannattaa tehdä. Nämä panttivangit menetettiin, mutta ehkä sadat tai tuhannet tulevaisuudessa pelastuivat.
Norppa
Eversti
tulikomento
Supreme Leader
Oma ymmärrys Gazasta aika lailla tv-sarja Faudan kautta hankittua. Mutta kuten @Fremen tv-sarjaketjussa taisi todeta, on Gazaan soluttautuminen israelilaisille aivan helvetin vaikea rasti. Tukijoukot kaukana ja ympärillä vain ja ainoastaan vihamielistä sakkia - ja sitäkin aivan tolkuttoman paljon joka puolella. Ja sitten pitäisi vielä löytää ne panttivangit tuolta alueelta ja suunnitella erikoisjoukkojen käyttö pelastusoperaatiota varten. Taitaa olla vaan mahdottomuus - valitettavasti.
Coffee Man
Respected Leader
Sellaista Netanjahu on jo vihjaillut tai oikestaan ihan suoraan todennutkin...
Israelin pääministeri Benjamin Netanjahu ilmoittaa, että Israelin vastaus Hamasin hyökkäykseen ”muuttaa Lähi-idän”.
Netanjahun kanslian mukaan pääministeri mainitsi asian puhuessaan eteläisen alueen pormestareille.
Sitä en kuitenkaan ihan helposti usko että Biden lähtee kovin laajaa operaatiota Lähi-idässä toteuttamaan vaikka USA johonkin rajaan saakka Israelia tässä tilanteessa tukeekin.
Antares
Respected Leader
Israelin presidentti Herzogin kirjoitus Time-lehden nettisivuilta (artikkeli julkaistu 9.10.2023): LINKKI
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Lainaan kirjoituksesta ensimmäisen lauseen: Not since the Holocaust have more Jews been murdered on one day.
Uhrien lukumäärä toki kasvaa sitä mukaa kun alueita tutkitaan, mutta tuo on selvää tässä vaiheessa.
Hyvin vaikea nähdä, että Israelilla olisi paljoa haluja minkäänlaisille neuvotteluille - olipa Hamasilla panttivankeja tai ei.
https://time.com/6321967/israel-president-isaac-herzog-hamas-attack/
BY ISAAC HERZOG
OCTOBER 9, 2023 12:21 PM EDT
Isaac Herzog is President of the State of Israel
Not since the Holocaust have more Jews been murdered on one day. The numbers of dead in the Simchat Torah Massacre are still rising as Israel’s soldiers and rescue services discover more and more families murdered in their homes.
Not since the Holocaust have we seen such images of innocent Jewish mothers and children, teenagers and old women loaded into trucks and taken away into captivity.
Not since the vile crimes of ISIS, have we witnessed such barbarity. Indeed, this is what Hamas have done: imported, adopted, and replicated the savagery of ISIS. Whole families have been wiped out. Mothers and fathers, with babes in arms, murdered in cold blood. Young people at a party. Old people—even Holocaust survivors themselves. Massacred. Their bodies burned and abused. Along with dozens of Israelis taken away are other nationalities.
Many have labelled this Israel’s 9/11—a national catastrophe inflicted by bloodthirsty terrorists. Indeed, in terms of proportion for a nation of 9.3 million, the fatalities number more than seven times those of the Twin Towers.
So as President of Israel, what do I say to you, readers around the world? Do I tell you of some of the personal stories? Of the young couple Tamar and Yonatan, murdered in their home along with their 6-year-old twin daughters Shachar and Arbel, and 4-year-old son Omer? Do I tell you of the wheelchair-bound Holocaust survivor in her 80s who was taken into captivity by Hamas terrorists? Do I tell you of the young women at a dance party rounded up by terrorists from Gaza to be murdered and their bodies violated?
I can tell you that from the depths, the light is clearest. From our darkest moments can arise Israel's finest hour. Israel will remain united and strong. Israel will act firmly and with full force to defend its people and eliminate this threat. This is our solemn duty, and we will not rest day or night in the defense of our people.
However, the international community also has a duty to fulfill here. For too long, when Israel has faced incursions or rockets from Gaza, elements of the international community have called for restraint or sought to justify Hamas’s actions, swallowing their lies as they killed their own people and blamed Israel, while hiding rockets in hospitals, schools, and mosques.
The world can no longer turn a blind eye. Any justification or attempts to rationalize this terrible attack will only encourage them further.
It is important to remember that Israel has no presence in Gaza. For months the border has been ostensibly peaceful. Instead of seeking a brighter future, Hamas has brought havoc on its own people. Tens of thousands of Gazans would cross each day into Israel to work and support their families, working alongside peace-loving Israelis—many of whom I knew well, and sadly have been murdered in this onslaught.
Over the past days, I have spoken with leaders from around the world. I appreciate their support for Israel’s right to defend its people in the face of this abhorrent evil. I appreciate the outpouring of good will we have seen around the world with national landmarks and monuments illuminated with Israeli flags in solidarity with our people.
But platitudes and sympathies must translate into tangible support. Over the next days and weeks, Israel will be doing all it can to secure its borders, to remove the threat posed by Hamas, and to return its captive civilians and soldiers. I am under no illusion that this will be a swift or easy process—but one thing is for sure, it will demand the support of the international community.
History will judge Hamas for its crimes against humanity, along with all those who fail to stand against them. I urge all the international community, those who have always stood by us, and those who have traditionally taken a different stance. Now is the time to speak out. Now is the time to take action in support of Israel by word and deed—at home and in the international institutions. To our Muslim neighbors and friends in the region who represent a different face of Islam—I say now is the time to show that we all share an inalienable and mutual respect for human life.
The days ahead are certainly shadowed with cloudy skies, as Israel embarks on a difficult and painful mission to secure its borders, to eliminate the threat to its people, and to return the hostages to their families. However, just like in the past, even in the face of the most difficult times, Israel will overcome, the Israeli spirit will overcome, and we will emerge stronger, more resilient, and above all, united.
Israel’s President: Our Darkest Hour Casts a Shadow on the Entire World
BY ISAAC HERZOG
OCTOBER 9, 2023 12:21 PM EDT
Isaac Herzog is President of the State of Israel
Not since the Holocaust have more Jews been murdered on one day. The numbers of dead in the Simchat Torah Massacre are still rising as Israel’s soldiers and rescue services discover more and more families murdered in their homes.
Not since the Holocaust have we seen such images of innocent Jewish mothers and children, teenagers and old women loaded into trucks and taken away into captivity.
Not since the vile crimes of ISIS, have we witnessed such barbarity. Indeed, this is what Hamas have done: imported, adopted, and replicated the savagery of ISIS. Whole families have been wiped out. Mothers and fathers, with babes in arms, murdered in cold blood. Young people at a party. Old people—even Holocaust survivors themselves. Massacred. Their bodies burned and abused. Along with dozens of Israelis taken away are other nationalities.
Many have labelled this Israel’s 9/11—a national catastrophe inflicted by bloodthirsty terrorists. Indeed, in terms of proportion for a nation of 9.3 million, the fatalities number more than seven times those of the Twin Towers.
So as President of Israel, what do I say to you, readers around the world? Do I tell you of some of the personal stories? Of the young couple Tamar and Yonatan, murdered in their home along with their 6-year-old twin daughters Shachar and Arbel, and 4-year-old son Omer? Do I tell you of the wheelchair-bound Holocaust survivor in her 80s who was taken into captivity by Hamas terrorists? Do I tell you of the young women at a dance party rounded up by terrorists from Gaza to be murdered and their bodies violated?
I can tell you that from the depths, the light is clearest. From our darkest moments can arise Israel's finest hour. Israel will remain united and strong. Israel will act firmly and with full force to defend its people and eliminate this threat. This is our solemn duty, and we will not rest day or night in the defense of our people.
However, the international community also has a duty to fulfill here. For too long, when Israel has faced incursions or rockets from Gaza, elements of the international community have called for restraint or sought to justify Hamas’s actions, swallowing their lies as they killed their own people and blamed Israel, while hiding rockets in hospitals, schools, and mosques.
The world can no longer turn a blind eye. Any justification or attempts to rationalize this terrible attack will only encourage them further.
It is important to remember that Israel has no presence in Gaza. For months the border has been ostensibly peaceful. Instead of seeking a brighter future, Hamas has brought havoc on its own people. Tens of thousands of Gazans would cross each day into Israel to work and support their families, working alongside peace-loving Israelis—many of whom I knew well, and sadly have been murdered in this onslaught.
Over the past days, I have spoken with leaders from around the world. I appreciate their support for Israel’s right to defend its people in the face of this abhorrent evil. I appreciate the outpouring of good will we have seen around the world with national landmarks and monuments illuminated with Israeli flags in solidarity with our people.
But platitudes and sympathies must translate into tangible support. Over the next days and weeks, Israel will be doing all it can to secure its borders, to remove the threat posed by Hamas, and to return its captive civilians and soldiers. I am under no illusion that this will be a swift or easy process—but one thing is for sure, it will demand the support of the international community.
History will judge Hamas for its crimes against humanity, along with all those who fail to stand against them. I urge all the international community, those who have always stood by us, and those who have traditionally taken a different stance. Now is the time to speak out. Now is the time to take action in support of Israel by word and deed—at home and in the international institutions. To our Muslim neighbors and friends in the region who represent a different face of Islam—I say now is the time to show that we all share an inalienable and mutual respect for human life.
The days ahead are certainly shadowed with cloudy skies, as Israel embarks on a difficult and painful mission to secure its borders, to eliminate the threat to its people, and to return the hostages to their families. However, just like in the past, even in the face of the most difficult times, Israel will overcome, the Israeli spirit will overcome, and we will emerge stronger, more resilient, and above all, united.
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Lainaan kirjoituksesta ensimmäisen lauseen: Not since the Holocaust have more Jews been murdered on one day.
Uhrien lukumäärä toki kasvaa sitä mukaa kun alueita tutkitaan, mutta tuo on selvää tässä vaiheessa.
Hyvin vaikea nähdä, että Israelilla olisi paljoa haluja minkäänlaisille neuvotteluille - olipa Hamasilla panttivankeja tai ei.
Voi olla jopa armollisempaa noiden panttivankien kuolla, kuin että pyöritetään kuukausitolkulla torilta toiselle raiskattavana. Itse ainakin ryssän vangiksi jäätyäni, toivoisin enemmin niskalaukausta, tai omaa ilmaiskua päälle, kuin että lähtisin noiden barbaarien leikeltäväksi. Ja ei nuo hamasin apinat ole ainakaan yhtään sen jalomielisempää porukkaa, kuin z örkit.
vonrehausen
Luutnantti
Tärkeintä onkin kunnolla varmistaa ettei tulevaisuudessa ole mitään Hamasia ottamassa panttivankeja.
