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Guderian
Kapteeni
Ehkä siinä on syy että Qatarilla on läheiset suhteet Iraniin. Sekä Trumpin taustajoukot että Saudi Arabia haluavat Iranin asiat pois pelistä.
Despite hosting this strategic military installation, Qatar is not always a strong Western ally. Qatar has allowed the Afghan Taliban to set up a political office inside the country and has close ties to Iran, including a shared natural gas field.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
ja koska Qatar tukee Muslimiveljeskuntaa esim. Egyptissä ja ehkä USA haluaa turvata tukikohtansa jota se on rakentanut vuosia.
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/12/20/255748469/how-tiny-qatar-punches-above-its-weight
Tosin vuodelta 2013 mutta ei ne suuret linjat ole mihinkään muuttuneet.
"Relations With The U.S.
There are serious differences between the U.S. and Qatar. But the connections between the two countries are strong.
At al-Udeid, about 20 miles from Doha, the U.S. Air Force has a base in a flat, lifeless desert where the wind is incessant. The base services the U.S. Central Command, including U.S. forces in Afghanistan. This is where the Air Force came when Saudi Arabia wanted the U.S. military out."
Despite hosting this strategic military installation, Qatar is not always a strong Western ally. Qatar has allowed the Afghan Taliban to set up a political office inside the country and has close ties to Iran, including a shared natural gas field.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
ja koska Qatar tukee Muslimiveljeskuntaa esim. Egyptissä ja ehkä USA haluaa turvata tukikohtansa jota se on rakentanut vuosia.
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/12/20/255748469/how-tiny-qatar-punches-above-its-weight
Tosin vuodelta 2013 mutta ei ne suuret linjat ole mihinkään muuttuneet.
"Relations With The U.S.
There are serious differences between the U.S. and Qatar. But the connections between the two countries are strong.
At al-Udeid, about 20 miles from Doha, the U.S. Air Force has a base in a flat, lifeless desert where the wind is incessant. The base services the U.S. Central Command, including U.S. forces in Afghanistan. This is where the Air Force came when Saudi Arabia wanted the U.S. military out."
Niin on Sauditkin Turkin hyvä ystävä.Miten en ole yllättynyt että Turkkilaiset on hyvää pataa Qatarin kanssa
J0h1F
Ylipäällikkö
Hmm, saakohan RK 62 nyt sitten tulikasteensa valtiollisen armeijan riveissä? Qatariinhan myytiin niitä suhteellisen iso erä 1970-luvulla, joista tunnetuimpina M72-malliset kromatut rynnäkkökiväärit (käytännössä kromattu RK 71), jotka menivät emiirin henkivartiokaartille.
Lisäksi toimituksessa oli tavallisia RK:ita ja joidenkin lähteiden mukaan myös kevyitä konekivääreitä (tarkoitettiinkohan siinä KVKK 62:ta vaiko M78-tyyppisiä pikakivääreitä?).
Voi tietenkin olla, että ne on hillottu jonnekin varastojen perukoille eivätkä näe sotatoimia lainkaan, vaikka sota syttyy. Sen jälkeen olisikin mielenkiintoista, mitä niille tapahtuu - leviäisivätkö ne ympäri Lähi-itää Saudi-Arabian jakamina erilaisten ei-valtiollisten ryhmien käyttöön (vai olisiko Suomella jopa halua ostaa ne pois saudeilta tuollaisen lopputuleman estääkseen - Suomi on kuitenkin aika tarkka ollut siitä, missä meidän valmistamiamme aseita liikkuu)?
Lisäksi toimituksessa oli tavallisia RK:ita ja joidenkin lähteiden mukaan myös kevyitä konekivääreitä (tarkoitettiinkohan siinä KVKK 62:ta vaiko M78-tyyppisiä pikakivääreitä?).
Voi tietenkin olla, että ne on hillottu jonnekin varastojen perukoille eivätkä näe sotatoimia lainkaan, vaikka sota syttyy. Sen jälkeen olisikin mielenkiintoista, mitä niille tapahtuu - leviäisivätkö ne ympäri Lähi-itää Saudi-Arabian jakamina erilaisten ei-valtiollisten ryhmien käyttöön (vai olisiko Suomella jopa halua ostaa ne pois saudeilta tuollaisen lopputuleman estääkseen - Suomi on kuitenkin aika tarkka ollut siitä, missä meidän valmistamiamme aseita liikkuu)?
Rauhantekijä
Greatest Leader
Noissa maissa on hyvä vaan kun porukka lähtee ulkomaille töihin. Kotimaassa ei ole töitä ja kotona kukaan ei kaipaa tai ole huolissaan.
fulcrum
Greatest Leader
Nojaa...Qatarilla on läheiset taloussuhteet Iraniin. Ulkopolitiikassa ja uskonnollisesti sen sijaan aika kaukana toisistaan: Qatarhan tukee avoimesti Syyrian oppositiota, ja myös radikaaleimpia, wahhabistisia/salafistisia ryhmiä joita Iran taas erityisesti vastustaa. Myöskään Qatarin läheinen kamu Taliban ei lukeudu Iranin sydänystäviin.
Vaikea nähdä että jenkit puuhailisivat jotain Qatarin vastaista myöskään. Juurihan he hyväksyivät yli 20 miljardin dollarin asekaupat Qatariin.
Guderian
Kapteeni
Viimeksi 2013 Saudi-Arabia, UAE ja Bahrain katkaisivat välinsä Qatariin mutta palauttivat muutamaa kuukautta myöhemmin suhteet. Qatar ns. voitti taistelun mutta "sota" jatkuu.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0J00Y420141116
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0J00Y420141116
skärdis
Respected Leader
Merkille pantavaa on Persianlahden öljymaiden haalivan työntekijöitä nimenomaan Aasiasta. Afrikka olisi takapihalla ja uskontokin olisi oikea Afrikan lähimmillä alueilla oikea, mutta ääneen lausumaton tosiasia on, ettei afrikkalaisista ole työmiehiksi.
Itse Arabiemiraateissa vähän aikaa asuneena tuo kävi hyvin nopeasti selväksi, vaikka ei sitä ääneen juuri sanottukaan.
miheikki
Greatest Leader
The Shocking Trigger Behind Today's Gulf Scandal: Qatar Paid Al-Qaeda, Iran $1BN In Hostage Deal
by Tyler Durden
Jun 5, 2017 2:21 PM http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...ndal-qatar-paid-al-qaeda-iran-1bn-hostage-dea
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The FT has unveiled what its believes is the key trigger behind the shocking overnight collapse in diplomatic relations between Qatar and its Gulf neighbors. According to the FT, the catalyst that forced the Saudis and their allies to unveil the cut in diplomatic and economic ties, is that Qatar allegedly paid up to $1 billion to Iran and al-Qaeda affiliates "to release members of the Gulf state’s royal family who were kidnapped in Iraq while on a hunting trip, according to people involved in the hostage deal"; the secret deal was allegedly one of the triggers behind Gulf states’ dramatic decision to cut ties with Doha.
The details of the payoff: "around $700m was paid both to Iranian figures and the regional Shia militias they support, according to regional government officials. They added that $200m to $300m went to Islamist groups in Syria, most of that to Tahrir al-Sham, a group with links to al-Qaeda."
A regional Arab official said the total paid to jihadi groups was closer to $300m. “So, if you add that up to the other $700m they paid to Iran and its proxies, that means Qatar actually spent about a billion dollars on this crazy deal,” he said.
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The Iraqi Shia militia commanders in Iraq, all from hardline Iranian-backed groups, said that, to their knowledge, Iran had obtained around $400m after giving them a payment they would not disclose. They agreed to share some details because they were unhappy about their share of the payment.
“They [the Iranians] took the lion’s share,” said a member of one of the Iranian-backed Shia militias in Iraq. “That’s caused some of us to be frustrated, because that was not the deal.”
The "ransom payments are the straw that broke the camel’s back,” said one Gulf observer.
Not to be confused with the Obama administration secretly airlifting crates full of $1.7 billion in cash to Tehran to release five US hostages held by Iran, the FT writes that commanders of militant groups and government officials in the region told the Financial Times that "Doha spent the money in a transaction that secured the release of 26 members of a Qatari hunting party in southern Iraq and about 50 militants captured by jihadis in Syria."
By their telling, Qatar paid off two of the most frequently blacklisted forces of the Middle East in one fell swoop: an al-Qaeda affiliate fighting in Syria and Iranian security officials.
If nothing else, at least Qatar got a better bang for the physical buck, at $38 million per hostage, compared to the $340 million the Obama administration paid for the five US hostages released by Tehran.
While there is no official evidence, the FT adds that the deal, which was concluded in April, heightened concerns among Qatar’s neighbours about the small gas-rich state’s role in a region plagued by conflict and bitter rivalries, which however is at least somewhat confusing: after all it was well-known since the Podesta emails that even the US state department had confirmed that both Saudi Arabia and Qatar were the two primary funders of the Islamic State and various Jihidaist groups in the region. Recall from our October 2016 post:
In a leaked email sent on August 17, 2014 by Hillary Clinton to her current campaign manager, John Podesta, who back then was counselor to Barack Obama, she admitted that Qatar and Saudi Arabia "are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region."
The email, which was sent just days after the US launched it "temporary" air campaign in Syria, which has now extended over two years, represents an eight-point plan laying out ideas how to defeat ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Clinton’s email said that the United States should engage in "military operations against these very irregular but determined forces" by "making proper use of clandestine/special operations resources, in coordination with airpower, and established local allies" such as Kurdish forces.
Having confirmed the role of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, Hillary then states that "we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia" and recommends to step up US commitment to the Kurdish Regional Government or KRG. "The Qataris and Saudis will be put in a position of balancing policy between their ongoing competition to dominate the Sunni world and the consequences of serious U.S. pressure. By the same token, the threat of similar, realistic U.S. operations will serve to assist moderate forces in Libya, Lebanon, and even Jordan, where insurgents are increasingly fascinated by the ISIL success in Iraq."
In any case, last year's revalation appears to have been "news" to Saudi Arabia - the other named source of funding to ISIS, and on Monday, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain took the extraordinary step of cutting off diplomatic ties and transport links to Qatar, alleging the country fuels extremism and terrorism.“
The FT further notes that "Doha denies it backs terrorist groups and dismissed the blockade by its neighbours as “founded on allegations that have no basis in fact”. It said it could not immediately respond to a request for comment on the hostage deal. But a person close to the Qatari government acknowledged that “payments” were made. The person was unaware of the amounts or where the money went."
Doha has a history of reaching out to all kinds of controversial groups, from rebels in Sudan’s Darfur region to the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hamas in Gaza. Qatar touts itself as a neutral player that can act as an intermediary in regional conflicts. But its critics, notably Saudi Arabia and the UAE, allege it also uses such interventions to play both sides and fund radical Islamist groups, most recently in Libya and Syria. And to Doha’s critics, the hostage deal was further evidence of that role.
In an amusing twist, one FT source - a Syrian opposition figure who has worked with an al-Qaeda mediator on hostage swaps in Syria. - adds that "if you want to know how Qatar funds jihadis, look no further than the hostage deal.... And this isn’t the first — it is one of a series since the beginning of the war."
Those who spoke to the FT said the deal highlighted how Qatar has allegedly used hostage payments to bankroll jihadis in Syria. But to its Gulf neighbours, the biggest issue is likely to be the fact that Doha could have paid off their main regional rival, Iran, which they accuse of fuelling conflicts in the Arab world.
This particular saga began when an Iranian-backed Iraqi Shia militia, known as Kata’eb Hizbollah, kidnapped the Qataris in December 2015. Three Iraqi militia leaders say the hostages were held in Iran.
Kata’eb Hizbollah is an Iraqi group but it is seen as having links with Iran’s main regional proxy, Hizbollah, the Lebanese militant group. The latter is helping Iran back Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian president, in his country’s six-year conflict.
It gets better: the hostage transaction was also linked to a separate agreement, signed in March 2017, to facilitate the evacuation of four mutually besieged towns in Syria — two surrounded by jihadi forces and two besieged by Shia militias — according to the FT's sources: "Syrian rebels and diplomats." One western diplomat said the arrangement provided Qatar the “cover” to finance the hostage deal.
“Iran and Qatar had long been looking for a cover to do this [hostage] deal, and they finally found it,” he said.
According to two opposition figures with close contact with the groups paid, Qatar used the evacuation arrangement to pay $120-$140m to Tahrir al-Sham. Another $80m, they said, went to the Islamist group Ahrar al-Sham. “The Qataris pay anyone and everyone, to what end? They have only brought about our ruin,” said a Syrian rebel commander, who gave details about the payments but asked not to be identified.
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Going back to our analogy of Obama dumping crates of cash - anywhere between $400 million and $1.7 billion - in Iran, it appears this time was not that different:
Another confusing chapter of the deal is that Haidar al-Abadi, Iraqi prime minister, said in April his government had seized hundreds of millions of dollars, which Iraqi officials said arrived on Qatari planes “illegally”. It is not clear if this is money is part of the sums mentioned above, or an additional amount.
The punchline: “The money all came in suitcases, can you imagine this?” said one senior official.
And while Qatar has now been scapegoated for funding Al-Qaeda and ISIS, something most have known for years, a question emerges: does this mean that Saudi Arabia - another chronic supporter of terrorism in the region and around the globe - is now off the hook. That would be problematic in light of Saudi Arabia's own on the record admission that it itself created Daesh, or ISIS, which however it allegedly did only in response to Obama's disastrous policy in the region. From the Financial Times:
After the Iraqi city of Mosul fell to a lightning Isis offensive in 2014, even the late Prince Saud al-Faisal, the respected Saudi foreign minister, remonstrated with John Kerry, US secretary of state, that “Daesh [Isis] is our [Sunni] response to your support for the Da’wa” — the Tehran-aligned Shia Islamist ruling party of Iraq.
Falangi
Kenraali
Qatar ajautui kaaoksen partaalle naapurien pantua välit poikki – ”Ihmiset ovat rynnänneet marketteihin rohmuamaan ruokaa”
http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/art-20000...-other&share=f509a1741667be51e56f31cc8401d7d5
http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/art-20000...-other&share=f509a1741667be51e56f31cc8401d7d5
Coffee Man
Respected Leader
Yhdysvaltalaistutkijoiden mukaan venäläiset hakkerit ovat levittäneet valeuutisia, jotka ovat lietsoneet diplomaattista kriisiä Qatarin ja sen lähimaiden välille...
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/201706072200190759_ul.shtml
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/201706072200190759_ul.shtml
miheikki
Greatest Leader
No huh! Kriisi laukesi kuin itsestään ja Status quo palautunee tämän päivän aikana.
Sietähän se suurmoskeijan rahakin on tulossa.
Tuolla alueella tiedetään tarkkaan mitä kukakin tekee ja rahoittaa, omituinen väite että Venäjä onnistuisi vaikuttamaan tuonne valeuutisilla.
Noissa muissa maissa hallinto käy jatkuvaa sotaa islamisteja vastaan joiden kannatus nousee kohisten kansan keskuudessa ja jotka soluttavat jo hallintoakin.
Tuolla alueella tiedetään tarkkaan mitä kukakin tekee ja rahoittaa, omituinen väite että Venäjä onnistuisi vaikuttamaan tuonne valeuutisilla.
Noissa muissa maissa hallinto käy jatkuvaa sotaa islamisteja vastaan joiden kannatus nousee kohisten kansan keskuudessa ja jotka soluttavat jo hallintoakin.
Kasvojen pelastus käynnissä osana sovittelua, Yhdysvalloilla valtava intressi alueella.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ted-fake-news-story-that-led-to-crisis-report
Kumma että Saudit vielä nauttii naapureiden diplomaateista heidän rahoitettua terrorismia vuosikymmenten ajan. Tässä yksi raportti vuodelta 2007 http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a475157.pdf
Ja tässä eilinen artikkeli
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...press-tory-uk-release-sensitive-a7773146.html
Ehkä. Saudit vannoivat kostavansa kun he saivat selville että Iran oli motivoinut/rahoittanut Jemenin sotureita sotilaallisessa operaatioissa Saudien alueella.