BlackFox
Ylipäällikkö
Jotain mätää tässä nyt on.
Venäjän asevoimat koki takaiskun Syyriassa, kun tulipalot tuhosivat neljä Mi-24-taisteluhelikopteria toissa viikolla venäläisessä tukikohdassa Tiyasin kylässä, kertoo Fox News.
Yhdysvaltalaisvirkamiesten mukaan tiedusteluyhteisö uskoo, että kyseessä oli onnettomuus, ei Isisin tekemä hyökkäys.
Homsin ja Palmyran välissä sijaitsevan tukikohdan tulipaloissa kerrotaan tuhoutuneen myös yli kymmenisen kuorma-autoa ja Syyrian hallituksen hävittäjä-koneita.
Isis ilmoitti 14. toukokuuta tehneensä hyökkäyksen venäläiseen tukikohtaan Tiyasin kylässä.
Yhdysvaltalainen tiedusteluyhtiö Stratfor julkaisi tiistaina satelliittikuvia, jotka näyttävät tuhoutuneet venäläishelikopterit ja tukikohdan kärsimät tuhot. Asiasta kertoo muun muassa The Guardian.
Stratforin analyytikot uskovat Isisin tehneen hyökkäyksen tukikohtaan.
Yhdysvaltalaisvirkamiehet kertovat Fox Newsille tiedustelupalveluihin viitaten, että tuhojen taustalla uskotaan olevan polttoainesäiliön tahaton räjähdys.
– Stratforin analyysi on väärässä. Ei ole viitteitä siitä, että kyseessä olisi ollut Isisin hyökkäys, virkamiehet totesivat.
Venäjän puolustusministeriön tiedottaja kiistää venäläishelikoptereiden tuhoutuneen tukikohdassa toissa viikolla.
Hänen mukaansa satelliittikuvien näyttämät tuhot ovat aiheutuneet kuukausia sitten Syyrian hallituksen joukkojen ja kapinallisten välillä käytyjen taistelujen seurauksena.
Venäjän asevoimat koki takaiskun Syyriassa, kun tulipalot tuhosivat neljä Mi-24-taisteluhelikopteria toissa viikolla venäläisessä tukikohdassa Tiyasin kylässä, kertoo Fox News.
Yhdysvaltalaisvirkamiesten mukaan tiedusteluyhteisö uskoo, että kyseessä oli onnettomuus, ei Isisin tekemä hyökkäys.
Homsin ja Palmyran välissä sijaitsevan tukikohdan tulipaloissa kerrotaan tuhoutuneen myös yli kymmenisen kuorma-autoa ja Syyrian hallituksen hävittäjä-koneita.
Isis ilmoitti 14. toukokuuta tehneensä hyökkäyksen venäläiseen tukikohtaan Tiyasin kylässä.
Yhdysvaltalainen tiedusteluyhtiö Stratfor julkaisi tiistaina satelliittikuvia, jotka näyttävät tuhoutuneet venäläishelikopterit ja tukikohdan kärsimät tuhot. Asiasta kertoo muun muassa The Guardian.
Stratforin analyytikot uskovat Isisin tehneen hyökkäyksen tukikohtaan.
Yhdysvaltalaisvirkamiehet kertovat Fox Newsille tiedustelupalveluihin viitaten, että tuhojen taustalla uskotaan olevan polttoainesäiliön tahaton räjähdys.
– Stratforin analyysi on väärässä. Ei ole viitteitä siitä, että kyseessä olisi ollut Isisin hyökkäys, virkamiehet totesivat.
Venäjän puolustusministeriön tiedottaja kiistää venäläishelikoptereiden tuhoutuneen tukikohdassa toissa viikolla.
Hänen mukaansa satelliittikuvien näyttämät tuhot ovat aiheutuneet kuukausia sitten Syyrian hallituksen joukkojen ja kapinallisten välillä käytyjen taistelujen seurauksena.
Sitä minä tuossa asiassa ihmettelen, että miten onnettomuus tuhosi sekä nuo koneet, että sen huoltotukikohdan. Toki tiedän, että ammusräjähdys yms. voisi lennättää räjähtämättömiä ammuksia ympäriinsä kauemmaskin, mutta pidän lopputulosta epätodennäköisenä.
Guderian
Kapteeni
US Allied Forces Launch Operation to Liberate Raqqa
In-Depth Coverage
by Sirwan Kajjo, Mutlu Civiroglu, Jeff Seldin May 24, 2016
Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces have launched an operation to capture areas north of Raqqa, the Syrian de-facto capital of Islamic State, with the aim of eventually liberating the city.
The U.S. allied group made the announcement in a video statement posted online Tuesday. "We're launching this campaign with the help of (U.S.-led) coalition forces in northern Raqqa," said Rojda Felat, a female Kurdish commander.
A senior SDF commander told VOA his forces are advancing from three different directions. "[Kurdish] YPG tanks and other heavy weaponry have been deployed," he said.
"The SDF has announced they have begun operations to liberate the countryside north of Raqqa. We have always been focused evicting Da'esh (Islamic State) from Raqqa and we will continue to support the SDF as they conduct ground operations to further isolate the city," said Col. Steve Warren, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition fighting IS.
A commander with the Syrian Democratic Forces said earlier that coalition troops would be fighting with SDF forces but Warren refused to comment on the specific role coalition forces would play.
"As you know, we don't talk about Special Forces operations," he said.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, during a visit to Uzebekistan, said Moscow is ready to coordinate efforts with the Kurds and the U.S.-led coalition to liberate Raqqa.
But Col. Warren rejected any notion of possible coordination with Russia.
Focus on 2 towns
"I think it will take a long time before the YPG decides to march toward Raqqa city. They are supported by U.S. warplanes. They have targeted areas around the towns of Tel al-Saman and al-Haisha, 40 kilometers north of Raqqa. These areas are almost empty of civilians. Most residents have fled to Raqqa city," Eisa said.
Tamped-down expectations
The U.S. is supporting the Syrian Democratic Forces, mostly made up of Syrian Kurds, numbering at least 25,000 fighters, with a smaller element of Syrian Arabs, numbering perhaps 5,000 to 6,000. The U.S. is trying to increase the Arab numbers.
But U.S. officials have been tamping down expectations of rapid progress. And a European diplomat told VOA that the plan currently is to try to encircle much of the city of Raqqa, at least to take outlying villages north, west and south.
"The Arab fighters are not sufficient in numbers nor do they have the capabilities to take on the hardened IS fighters defending the city," he said. "And the Kurds can't be in the vanguard in capturing Raqqa," he added. He puts the numbers of Sunni Arab fighters in the SDF lower than 5,000.
The diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said there are an estimated 185,000 civilians left in Raqqa – out of an original population of 400,000.
Jamie Dettmer contributed to this report.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/l...524-voa01.htm?_m=3n.002a.1726.qa0ao069zz.1l4q
In-Depth Coverage
by Sirwan Kajjo, Mutlu Civiroglu, Jeff Seldin May 24, 2016
Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces have launched an operation to capture areas north of Raqqa, the Syrian de-facto capital of Islamic State, with the aim of eventually liberating the city.
The U.S. allied group made the announcement in a video statement posted online Tuesday. "We're launching this campaign with the help of (U.S.-led) coalition forces in northern Raqqa," said Rojda Felat, a female Kurdish commander.
A senior SDF commander told VOA his forces are advancing from three different directions. "[Kurdish] YPG tanks and other heavy weaponry have been deployed," he said.
"The SDF has announced they have begun operations to liberate the countryside north of Raqqa. We have always been focused evicting Da'esh (Islamic State) from Raqqa and we will continue to support the SDF as they conduct ground operations to further isolate the city," said Col. Steve Warren, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition fighting IS.
A commander with the Syrian Democratic Forces said earlier that coalition troops would be fighting with SDF forces but Warren refused to comment on the specific role coalition forces would play.
"As you know, we don't talk about Special Forces operations," he said.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, during a visit to Uzebekistan, said Moscow is ready to coordinate efforts with the Kurds and the U.S.-led coalition to liberate Raqqa.
But Col. Warren rejected any notion of possible coordination with Russia.
Focus on 2 towns
"I think it will take a long time before the YPG decides to march toward Raqqa city. They are supported by U.S. warplanes. They have targeted areas around the towns of Tel al-Saman and al-Haisha, 40 kilometers north of Raqqa. These areas are almost empty of civilians. Most residents have fled to Raqqa city," Eisa said.
Tamped-down expectations
The U.S. is supporting the Syrian Democratic Forces, mostly made up of Syrian Kurds, numbering at least 25,000 fighters, with a smaller element of Syrian Arabs, numbering perhaps 5,000 to 6,000. The U.S. is trying to increase the Arab numbers.
But U.S. officials have been tamping down expectations of rapid progress. And a European diplomat told VOA that the plan currently is to try to encircle much of the city of Raqqa, at least to take outlying villages north, west and south.
"The Arab fighters are not sufficient in numbers nor do they have the capabilities to take on the hardened IS fighters defending the city," he said. "And the Kurds can't be in the vanguard in capturing Raqqa," he added. He puts the numbers of Sunni Arab fighters in the SDF lower than 5,000.
The diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said there are an estimated 185,000 civilians left in Raqqa – out of an original population of 400,000.
Jamie Dettmer contributed to this report.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/l...524-voa01.htm?_m=3n.002a.1726.qa0ao069zz.1l4q
BlackFox
Ylipäällikkö
Joo ja ei bensasäiliö noin voimakkaasti räjähdä ja viellä tuho alueet ovat selvästi 2 eri pisteessä. Se menisi jos siellä varikolla olisi joku ammuskuorma lähtenyt ilmaan ja tuhonnut sen mutta ei se tuota kopterialueen tuhoa selitä ja siinä välissä olevaa puhdasta aluetta. Sekä vaikuttaisi että varikkoalueen rakennuksen katossa olisi jotain heittimen tai muun iskemiä.
Ei tuo selitys kyllä uppoa.
Sen voisin vielä sulattaa, että joku noista koptereista olisi kärähtänyt varikolta lentäneestä ammuksesta, mutta tuossa on mennyt neljä kopteria ja ne on sen verran hajallaan, että yksittäinen ammus ei tuota tee ja tulipalo tuskin leviäisi sekään, jos on mitään varautumista vahingontorjuntaan. Tuollaisen hävitys vaatisi sen, että tuo varikko räjähti ja sieltä lentänyt ammus olisi räjäyttänyt ne kopterien lähelle varastoidut ammukset mitä oli noissa ilmakuvissa näkyvissä laatikoissa. Olettaen tietenkin, että siellä oli ammuksia varastoituna kopterien ympärille ja että nekin räjähtivät vahingossa.
Vaikka naapuri ei harrastakaan noita IM-räjähteitä tai välitä suuremmin, jos vaikka joku varikko välillä räjähtääkin, niin tuo alkaa olla epätodennäköisyydessään olla luokkaa jolloin voi alkaa epäillä, että ne onnistuivat esim. päästämään tukikohtaansa pari itsemurhapommittajaa tai epäonnistuivat estämään KRH hyökkäyksen tukikohtaan.
BlackFox
Ylipäällikkö
Mutta siinä kohtaa luulisi että tuolla alueella (koptereiden ja varikon välisellä sekä hävittäjän) olisi enemmän noita mustia läikkiä siellä täällä. Sekä kaiken huippuna niillä paloi viellä juuri yksi hävittäjäkin mikä oli kolmannessa paikkaa.
Analyyttisesti arvioiden sanoisin, että nuo seikat lähinnä lisäävät tapauksen monimutkaisuutta, mutta eivät sinällään sulje mitään mahdollisuuksia. Lisäävät kyllä "epätodennäköisyyttä", mutta eivät varsinaisesti "todista" mitään.
aj77
Greatest Leader
Niinpä. Täydellinen ammusräjähdys. Siinä olisi meillekin opittavaa. Kuinka räjäytät ammusvaraston tai ammusrekan niin että ammukset lentävät tarkasti jokaisen tukikohdassa olevan koneen luokse ja räjähtää siellä.
vlad
Respected Leader
En ole ehtinyt sen tarkemmin perehtyä tapahtuneeseen, mutta tuli mieleen, että jospa taustalla on ns. liittolaisten sisäinen yhteenotto tästä johtuen Venäjä on vieläkin epätoivoisemmin sepittänyt valheita. Ei haluta välittää viestiä siitä, että Assadia tukevien ryhmien välillä on erimielisyyksiä tms. Yhtälailla ISIS voi olla syyllinen tai muu ryhmittymä, vahinkoa pidän hyvin epätodennäköisenä.
vlad
Tässä CNN videossa Tiedottaja Col. Steve Warren keskustelee toimittajan kanssa tästä tukikohtahyökkäyksestä.
http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2008803
http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2008803
Bushmaster
Greatest Leader
Tämä kyllä kuuluisi päivän minkki säikeseen myös 
Suomessa ampumaan oppinut tanskalaisnainen: ISIS-jihadisteja on todella helppo tappaa
http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/isis tanskalainen tytto-51031
Suomessa ampumaan oppinut tanskalaisnainen: ISIS-jihadisteja on todella helppo tappaa
http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/isis tanskalainen tytto-51031
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/joanna-palani-syria-iraq-ran-away-fight-isis
The Girl Who Ran Away to Fight ISIS
by Lara Whyte
INTERVIEW
MAY 25 2016
Joanna Palani was only 22 when she left her comfortable life as a college student behind in Denmark to join up as a YPG and Peshmerga fighter on the frontlines of the war in Iraq and Syria. She tells us how ISIS soldiers are "easy to kill," but Assad's troops are much harder.
Of the some 750 young European women embarking on adventures to Syria and Iraq, only a handful have managed to return home safely. The call of holy war to defeat the butchery of the 45-year Assad regime in Syria has inspired more than 27,000 foreign fighters from 81 different countries to join the conflict, the vast majority of whom now fight with ISIS.
Most of the women and girls who have travelled to the battle have done so at thegrooming of ISIS recruiters. Joanna Palani, a 23-year-old politics and philosophy student from Copenhagen, went to fight for the Kurds; first for the People's Protection Unit in Syria (the YPG) and then the Peshmerga, the Western-trained and backed army of the Kurdish Regional Government. The Peshmerga (Kurdish for "one who stands in front of death") are credited with playing a role in both the toppling of Saddam Hussein and the capture of Osama Bin Laden, and are gaining significant if slow victories over ISIS in Iraq.
Palani, the daughter and grand-daughter of Peshmerga fighters, is an Iranian Kurd who was born in a UN refugee camp in Ramadi, Iraq in 1993, after the family were forced to flee their home during the Gulf War. They moved to Copenhagen when she was a toddler. She lived a "normal, comfortable life" with her family. Her favourite hobbies growing up were reading and target practice; after firing her first live rifle in Finland aged nine, she got obsessed.
"I love it," she says, "it is my life. It is very normal for Kurds to learn to use weapons like this." Palani speaks perfect English with an American accent, laughs frequently during sentences, and endearingly refers to me as ma'am.
In the early autumn of 2014, she left college and headed to fight in Syria for the Kurds. Palani wanted to help defeat ISIS and Assad and, as she puts it, "fight for human rights for all people."
"On the 14th of November 2014 I went to Iraq, and then I went to Rojova in Syria. I was with the YPG for six months and then I was with the Peshmerga for six months, so I was fighting for a year."
By November 2014, the army of the Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad was battle-hardened by three long years of indiscriminate civilian killing. They hoarded a treasure chest of weapons and ammunition, including chemical weapons that they used against their own people. ISIS had just completed their genocidal annex of northern Iraq.
Palani's first night on the front line was brutal. While on night patrol with a foreign fighter from Sweden, the pair were attacked by a sniper who had seen the smoke from a cigarette and shot her comrade between the eyes. She describes how the embers from her companion's cigarette remained lit as he died, his blood soaking into her new uniform.
Left to right: Joanna Palani with a traditional scarf she wore while fighting, and Palani in civilian attire. Photos by Sarah Buthmann
"I told him he shouldn't be smoking on the frontline—but he didn't take me seriously. I wasn't taking it seriously when I first came there," she admitted. "But after the first attack I did. I took it seriously indeed, ma'am.'"
In Syria she discovered she had a knack for firing at the right time and keeping quiet at the right time—two skills essential to being a good soldier, she believes. Her time fighting Assad's army was to be the most challenging of her career. They have been known to attack with chlorine gas, barrel bombs, and now vacuum bombs, all of which are prohibited by international law. The regime is responsible for the deaths of 181,000 civilians, and is now being investigated for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
"ISIS fighters are very easy to kill, ma'am", she says, laughing to herself. "ISIS fighters are very good at sacrificing their own lives, but Assad's soldiers are very well trained and they are specialist killing machines."
Palani gushes with pride about her role as a trainer for mainly younger, Kurdish fighters. "The young girls are amazing—they are exhilarated after coming back from the front lines. They are very brave, more brave than I could ever have been at their age."
Photos of Palani while she was fighting in Syria. Photos courtesy of subject
The YPG has also assisted in the tortuous work of helping Yazidi families smuggle out their loved ones from Islamic State territory. Palani described receiving detailed correspondence from girls in captivity attempting to organize their own escape or plead for rescue.
"Even though I am a fighter it is difficult for me to read about how a ten-year-old girl is going to die because she is bleeding from a rape," she says. The letters and creditable testimony of sexual torture began as early as October 2014. Palani was assigned to a new role at the start of 2015—she was part of a battalion that liberated a village near Mosul, she says, and found a large group of children being held for sexual abuse by ISIS militants. It was a 'holding house,' where young girls were locked up, raped, and loaned out to lower ranking fighters on the front lines.
"All the girls were under 16—some were really young. I met this girl in the hospital we had to bring them to. She was a Syrian Christian and she died holding my hand because she was 11-year-old and she was pregnant with twins. Her little face was so swollen. It just wasn't right. I remember the doctor crying and yelling at me and my first soldier."
Palani is now back at home in Copenhagen, studying politics and philosophy at university. Photo by Sarah Buthmann
She had to convince the doctor they were not responsible for the rape and the resulting pregnancy that eventually took the child's life. But even as her father and mother at home in Copenhagen fretted about their daughter, Palani found frontline life thrilling. "I never thought, I want to go home. Honestly, there were some times I was afraid. There were times when I wished I would survive, yes. But there wasn't one single second where I wished I was home again. I knew I was in the right place."
Her military career appeared to be flourishing. Then she came home to see her family in Copenhagen whilst on leave last year. "The Peshmerga gave me 15 days off, " she explains. "After arriving in Denmark the police sent me an email after only three days. It said my passport was no longer valid, and would be revoked if I was to attempt to leave the country. If I was to go back I could go to jail for six years."
"This put me in a bad situation—as many people were very disappointed in me. I was training some girls in weapons, so it meant I let these girls down as it was not complete."
She is furious with the Danish government for confiscating her passport under laws intended to stem the movement of ISIS fan boys to the conflict—a move that she describes as a "betrayal." She now faces a choice between giving up her passport and rejoining her battalion, or waiting it out in Copenhagen and hoping that the law will change to differentiate her from jihadi fighters. "I have to remember these things I have seen in combat and the people I have left there," she tells me as she weighs her options.
"These small girls, the sex slaves, I can't as a human being—but especially as a Kurdish girl—I can't ignore them. I can't say I'm doing good in Denmark, so never mind what they are doing to these girls in Kurdistan."
But she is equally loathe to lose the freedoms that Europe affords her—so for now, she is stuck in Copenhagen. Instead of fighting with her Peshmerga 'sisters' (whom she also complains have not been paid in seven months), she is reluctantly studying politics and philosophy in Denmark, where the government pays for her university education.
"I am a European Kurdish girl. Most of my beliefs and morals are European. I couldn't live in Kurdistan for more than one or two years—it is not very comfortable there as a woman for me. I would rather choose public justice than personal happiness. I would give my life for Europe, for democracy, for freedom and for women's rights. I feel like I have been betrayed by those who I was ready to sacrifice my life for."
Lepukki
Eversti
"Palani's first night on the front line was brutal. While on night patrol with a foreign fighter from Sweden, the pair were attacked by a sniper who had seen the smoke from a cigarette and shot her comrade between the eyes. She describes how the embers from her companion's cigarette remained lit as he died, his blood soaking into her new uniform."
Jälleen kerran hyvä esimerkki siitä miksi tupakointi tappaa...
Pahoittelut mustasta huumorista
On kyllä esimerkillisen jalon oloinen ja rohka nainen tuossa artikkelissa.
Jälleen kerran hyvä esimerkki siitä miksi tupakointi tappaa...
Pahoittelut mustasta huumoristaOn kyllä esimerkillisen jalon oloinen ja rohka nainen tuossa artikkelissa.
Ei mitenkään nykyiseen konfliktiin tai aikaisempaan Venäläisen rynnäkkökoneen putoamiseen liittyen, Kurdit ovat saaneet käsiinsä nähtävästi upouusia igloja joita käytettiin parisen viikkoa sitten Super Cobran alasampumiseen Turkin puolella
http://www.eurasianet.org/node/78851
https://theaviationist.com/2016/05/...helicopter-getting-shot-down-by-sa-18-manpad/
Hieno tarina, Suomalaisena pessimistinä mieleen tulee vain että onkohan nainen ihan muuten vaan sotimassa ja siitä tehty muuten vain uutisen arvoinen juttu söpöine kuvineen, vai onko ehkä joku jossain tajunnut värväys/propaganda-arvon parille kauniille ja nuorelle naiselle univormuissa kertomassa kuinka helppoa se sotiminen on isistä vastaan.
http://www.eurasianet.org/node/78851
https://theaviationist.com/2016/05/...helicopter-getting-shot-down-by-sa-18-manpad/
Tämä kyllä kuuluisi päivän minkki säikeseen myös
Suomessa ampumaan oppinut tanskalaisnainen: ISIS-jihadisteja on todella helppo tappaa
http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/isis tanskalainen tytto-51031
Hieno tarina, Suomalaisena pessimistinä mieleen tulee vain että onkohan nainen ihan muuten vaan sotimassa ja siitä tehty muuten vain uutisen arvoinen juttu söpöine kuvineen, vai onko ehkä joku jossain tajunnut värväys/propaganda-arvon parille kauniille ja nuorelle naiselle univormuissa kertomassa kuinka helppoa se sotiminen on isistä vastaan.
