Kyseessä ei ole harkittu taistelutoimi vihollista vastaan vaan terrorioperaatio siviiliväestöä kohtaan. Suojautumatonta kohdetta vastaan riittää paljon pienempi annostus ja jo varsin pienellä määrällä saavutetaan todella merkittävä psykologinen vaikutus, siviilikohteissa se on todennäköisesti jopa merkittävämpi kuin varsinainen kaasun aiheuttama tuho.
Kyseessä ei ole harkittu taistelutoimi vihollista vastaan vaan terrorioperaatio siviiliväestöä kohtaan. Suojautumatonta kohdetta vastaan riittää paljon pienempi annostus ja jo varsin pienellä määrällä saavutetaan todella merkittävä psykologinen vaikutus, siviilikohteissa se on todennäköisesti jopa merkittävämpi kuin varsinainen kaasun aiheuttama tuho.
Kyseessä ei myöskään ole sellainen ase, jota kukaan (jolla jotain järkeä on päässään) uskaltaisi käyttää laajassa mittakaavassa. Noiden kanssa pelaavilla on eräänä kantavana ideana ollut nimenomaan plausible deniability, joka on menetetty heti vähänkin isommassa kaasuaseen käytössä.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9582479
"Ranskan mukaan iskussa käytetyistä kemikaaleista sekä yhden uhrin verestä otetut näytteet täsmäävät Syyrian hallituksen vuonna 2013 iskussaan käyttämiin kemikaaleihin. Kemikaalin valmistusmenetelmä vastaa Ranskan mukaan tapaa, jota syyrialaisissa laboratorioissa käytetään."
"Ranskan mukaan iskussa käytetyistä kemikaaleista sekä yhden uhrin verestä otetut näytteet täsmäävät Syyrian hallituksen vuonna 2013 iskussaan käyttämiin kemikaaleihin. Kemikaalin valmistusmenetelmä vastaa Ranskan mukaan tapaa, jota syyrialaisissa laboratorioissa käytetään."
J0h1F
Ylipäällikkö
Ei siinä etteikö tuo pitäisi paikkaansa, mutta näin kemiaakin yliopistossa opiskelleena, sariinin valmistukseen ja säilytykseen kaksikomponenttikaasuna, joka sekoitetaan vasta ennen käyttöä, on oikeastaan vain yksi käytännöllinen tapa. Prosessin alkuvaiheessa voi olla pieniä eroja, mutta loppuvaihe on aina samanlainen.
Sinänsä tuo ei mielestäni todista mitään lisää, mutta kyllä tekijä ilmankin aika ilmeiseltä vaikuttaa.
Muoks. niin tietenkin, saannin maksimoimiseksi ja sariinin hajoamisen estämiseksi tietenkin täytyy käyttää erinäisiä muita kemikaaleja jotka voivat paljastaa tuottajan (olettaen, että esim. Venäjällä ei tuoteta samalla menetelmällä sariinia...).
Viimeksi muokattu:
arix
Respected Leader
Tuosta boldatusta ei edelleenkään ole mitään näyttöä. Muuten tuo voi olla hyvinkin totta, Syyriassa oli 12 kemiallisten aseiden tuotantolaitosta joista 10 pystyttiin lopettamaan kemiallisten aseiden hävittämisen yhteydessä. 2 oli kapinallisten alueella joten ne jäivät ttoimintakykyisiksi.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ied-out-sarin-attack-says-french-intelligence
"French analysis of the chemical compounds from the site also pointed to the presence of sarin, hexamine and diisopropyl methylphosphonate, a compound formed when sarin is synthesised. The chemicals found there essentially match the biological fingerprint of the Assad government’s sarin manufacturing process, as the same chemicals were found in samples collected from a 2013 attack in the town of Saraqeb in Idlib, which was also linked to the regime."
"The Guardian visited the site of the massacre two days after the chemical attack and independently confirmed that the warehouse and nearby grain silos were empty and had not been bombed recently, contrary to Russian claims."
Siinäpä sitä trolleille taas töitä ja hyödyllisille idiooteille ihmeteltävää.
"French analysis of the chemical compounds from the site also pointed to the presence of sarin, hexamine and diisopropyl methylphosphonate, a compound formed when sarin is synthesised. The chemicals found there essentially match the biological fingerprint of the Assad government’s sarin manufacturing process, as the same chemicals were found in samples collected from a 2013 attack in the town of Saraqeb in Idlib, which was also linked to the regime."
"The Guardian visited the site of the massacre two days after the chemical attack and independently confirmed that the warehouse and nearby grain silos were empty and had not been bombed recently, contrary to Russian claims."
Siinäpä sitä trolleille taas töitä ja hyödyllisille idiooteille ihmeteltävää.
Nurkantakanen
Kapteeni
Suuri räjähdys Damaskoksen kansainvälisellä lentoasemalla
Syyrian Damaskoksen lentoasemalla on räjähtänyt, kertoo brittilähde.
Damaskoksen kansainvälisellä lentoasemalla on tapahtunut laaja räjähdys. Asiasta kertoo brittiläistaustainen Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
Ihmisoikeusjärjestön mukaan lentoasemalla on laaja tulipalo. Räjähdyksen alkuperästä ei ole toistaiseksi tietoa.
http://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000005187202.html
Päivitys:
Multiple strikes hit Damascus airport base used by Iranian-backed forces: Syrian rebel sources
Multiple dawn strikes hit an ammunition depot complex near Damascus airport used by Iranian-backed forces supplied via an air corridor between the Syrian capital and Tehran, said two senior rebel sources operating in the Damascus areas.
They said their monitors operating in the eastern rural outskirts of the capital where the rebels are based had tracked at least five strikes that hit the airport compound at dawn.
They said the attack caused a fire with flames appearing to come from a closed military area of the sprawling complex widely known to be used by Tehran to supply weapons by air to Iranian-backed militias operating alongside the Syrian army. It was not clear if it was a missile or an air strike, they said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-airport-idUSKBN17T0D4
Syyrian Damaskoksen lentoasemalla on räjähtänyt, kertoo brittilähde.
Damaskoksen kansainvälisellä lentoasemalla on tapahtunut laaja räjähdys. Asiasta kertoo brittiläistaustainen Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
Ihmisoikeusjärjestön mukaan lentoasemalla on laaja tulipalo. Räjähdyksen alkuperästä ei ole toistaiseksi tietoa.
http://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000005187202.html
Päivitys:
Multiple strikes hit Damascus airport base used by Iranian-backed forces: Syrian rebel sources
Multiple dawn strikes hit an ammunition depot complex near Damascus airport used by Iranian-backed forces supplied via an air corridor between the Syrian capital and Tehran, said two senior rebel sources operating in the Damascus areas.
They said their monitors operating in the eastern rural outskirts of the capital where the rebels are based had tracked at least five strikes that hit the airport compound at dawn.
They said the attack caused a fire with flames appearing to come from a closed military area of the sprawling complex widely known to be used by Tehran to supply weapons by air to Iranian-backed militias operating alongside the Syrian army. It was not clear if it was a missile or an air strike, they said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-airport-idUSKBN17T0D4
Viimeksi muokattu:
Nenialas Idook
Kapteeni
Tässä ketjussa
Eliot Higgins käy ensin läpi Ranskan raporttia Google-kääntäjän avulla, kunnes saa linkin raportin viralliseen englanninkieliseen käännökseen.
Kyseisen sariinierän tuotanto pystytään yhdistämään Syyrian valtiollisiin toimijoihin valmistusprosessissa käytetyn haponpoistajan, heksamiinin avulla. Tässä Bellingcatin kirjoitus amiineista ja sariinista:
Amines and Sarin – Hexamine, Isopropylamine, and the Rest…
StepanRudanskij
Respected Leader
Iipot asialla Syyrian hallituslähteiden mukaan.
VanhaPate
Respected Leader
Turkkilaiset antoivat FSA:lle panssaroituja ajoneuvoja, videolla näkyy joku APC. Myöhemmin osa ajoneuvoista päätyi ISIS:n haltuun ja on epäilyjä, että FSA möi ajoneuvot. Asiaa on tutkittu turkkilaisten toimesta mutta juttu on edelleen auki.
https://komnews.org/turkey-backed-f...ed-vehicles-to-islamic-state-military-source/Turkey-backed FSA sold Turkish armoured vehicles to Islamic State: military source
27 April 2017 10:06 CEST
Turkey-backed FSA members in Syria as part of the Euphrates Shield Operation.
According to a claim made in Turkish media on Wednesday, Turkey-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA) groups sold Turkish armoured vehicles to the Islamic State (IS) group, during the Euphrates Shield Operation.
A report in the Birgun daily based on military sources said FSA groups given eight tanks and armoured vehicles to enter al-Bab in northern Syria sold or handed over some of these vehicles to the jihadist group.
The Turkish Chief of Staff launched an investigation into the matter but no results were gained as the file remains open, the report added. The value of a single vehicle is thought to be in the range of 680 thousand dollars.
Footage on the Birgun website shows the tanks in question first seen being used by FSA militants, who are praying on top of the vehicle, which then appear in IS ranks. Vehicle ‘243768’ is identifiable from its number plate. IS members point to the tank and say, “Spoils of war,” in the video.
Military sources speaking to the newspaper also alleged there were double standards during the operation into Syria and that FSA members were treated better than Turkish soldiers.
“We conducted the operation in very difficult circumstances. There was nothing to eat and nowhere to wash. There were also double standards. FSA members had better conditions. On top of this they sold armoured vehicles. The vehicles were registered to us. Many of them [FSA] were thieves, drug addicts and smugglers.”
More than 70 Turkish soldiers and 500 FSA militants were reportedly killed in the Euphrates Shield Operation launched in August 2016 and suspended in March 2017. Turkish authorities said the operation was being carried out against the IS and to block Kurdish forces from expanding their area of control in northern Syria’s autonomous north.
...tai sitten turkkilaiset tukivat ISIS:tä mutkan kautta ja selittelevät tapahtumaa tällä tavalla. Turkkilainen tutkinta varmaan saa ja julkaisee absoluuttisen totuuden tapahtumasta.
VanhaPate
Respected Leader
Varmaan juurikin noin. Tutkinta piti käynistää, kun joku vuoti asian julkisuuteen tai jotain sellasta.
John Hilly
Ylipäällikkö
Syyria pitää varmana, että Israel teki iskun.
Syria has confirmed that Israel was behind Damascus explosion
Hours after the explosion near Damascus airport, an official in the Syrian army issued a statement denouncing "Israeli aggression." The source stated: "The attack was carried out using a number of missiles fired from the occupied lands."
Illustration Photo credit: Reuters/ Channel 2 news
Syria has confirmed that targets near the airport in Damascus were in fact attacked earlier today. Voicing Hezbollah's earlier accusations, Syria blamed Israel for the attacks: "Israeli aggression took place early this morning at one of the military posts located southwest of Damascus International Airport, " a military source in the Assad regime told the Syrian news agency SANA.
"The attack was carried out using a number of missiles launched from the occupied lands. As a result, numerous explosions occurred and a fire broke out. Extensive damage was done," the military source said.
"This was a desperate attempt to raise the morale of the terrorist organizations, who are being crushed by our attacks. It will not deter us from continuing the war against them and from defeating them," said the source.
Hours after the attack attributed to Israel, Iranian Defense Minister Hossein Dehghan, who is on a visit to Moscow, condemned the attack and denied the allegations about the target. As JOL reported earlier, an intelligence officer in the Middle East told Reuters that the target was a weapons arsenal used by Hezbollah. According to the source, Iran uses the Damascus airport to bring weapons into Syria via commercial and military cargo aircraft. The weapons are then used by Hezbollah and the Shi’ite militias in their fight alongside the Syrian Army. In a conversation with the media, Dehghan also denied that he had met with members of the Israeli delegation participating in a Moscow security conference, the RT news channel reported.
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news...israel-attacked-caused-extensive-damage-28117
Syria has confirmed that Israel was behind Damascus explosion
Hours after the explosion near Damascus airport, an official in the Syrian army issued a statement denouncing "Israeli aggression." The source stated: "The attack was carried out using a number of missiles fired from the occupied lands."
Illustration Photo credit: Reuters/ Channel 2 news
Syria has confirmed that targets near the airport in Damascus were in fact attacked earlier today. Voicing Hezbollah's earlier accusations, Syria blamed Israel for the attacks: "Israeli aggression took place early this morning at one of the military posts located southwest of Damascus International Airport, " a military source in the Assad regime told the Syrian news agency SANA.
"The attack was carried out using a number of missiles launched from the occupied lands. As a result, numerous explosions occurred and a fire broke out. Extensive damage was done," the military source said.
"This was a desperate attempt to raise the morale of the terrorist organizations, who are being crushed by our attacks. It will not deter us from continuing the war against them and from defeating them," said the source.
Hours after the attack attributed to Israel, Iranian Defense Minister Hossein Dehghan, who is on a visit to Moscow, condemned the attack and denied the allegations about the target. As JOL reported earlier, an intelligence officer in the Middle East told Reuters that the target was a weapons arsenal used by Hezbollah. According to the source, Iran uses the Damascus airport to bring weapons into Syria via commercial and military cargo aircraft. The weapons are then used by Hezbollah and the Shi’ite militias in their fight alongside the Syrian Army. In a conversation with the media, Dehghan also denied that he had met with members of the Israeli delegation participating in a Moscow security conference, the RT news channel reported.
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news...israel-attacked-caused-extensive-damage-28117
John Hilly
Ylipäällikkö
Air Force Col. John Dorrian arvostelee Turkkia harvinaisen selväsanaisesti. Tuntuu, että USA:n mitta alkaa täyttyä.
Turkish Airstrikes in Syria, Iraq Kill Partner Counter-ISIS Fighters
By Cheryl Pellerin DoD News, Defense Media Activity
WASHINGTON, April 26, 2017 — Turkey conducted airstrikes this week in Syria and Iraq that killed partner forces in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, giving little notice and making no effort to coordinate the strikes, a spokesman for Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolvesaid today.
A U.S. Air Force KC-10 Extender refuels a British aircraft during a sortie to support Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve over Iraq, March 22, 2017. Extenders have provided fuel to coalition aircraft to weaken and destroy the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Tyler Woodward
Air Force Col. John Dorrian briefed Pentagon reporters via teleconference from Baghdad.
“Turkey conducted airstrikes in northern Syria's Hasakah province the night before last, resulting in the loss of life of our partnered forces in the fight against ISIS,” Dorrian said. Partner forces in Syria include the Syrian Democratic Forces and the Syrian Arab Coalition, he said.
The Turkish air force notified the Combined Air Operations Center less than an hour before conducting the strikes, “and this was notification -- certainly not coordination as you would expect from a partner and an ally in the fight against ISIS,” the colonel told reporters.
Dorrian said the coalition let the Turks know that the amount of time provided before the strikes was inadequate to assure the safety of forces on the ground. The coalition had forces within six miles of the strikes, he added, but none were put in harm’s way by the strikes.
“It was an unsafe way to conduct operations,” Dorrian said. “It's a very complex battlefield here, and we just want to make sure that coordination is done so we can get these things right and prevent the types of incidents that we saw here, which included the killing of peshmerga soldiers in the Sinjar area [of Iraq].”
Partner Deaths in Iraq
The Turkish air force conducted more airstrikes last night near the northern Iraq town of Sinjar, killing five Kurdish peshmerga fighters, Dorrian said, adding that these strikes also were conducted without proper coordination with the coalition or the Iraqi government. “We're troubled by that,” he said.
No extensive discussions have taken place with Turkey about the strikes, Dorrian said. “But I know that there has been a significant amount of diplomatic activity between the two sides since that occurred,” he told reporters.
Partner forces in both Syria and Iraq have been integral in fighting ISIS, Dorrian said. “They've been reliable in making progress against ISIS fighters under very difficult and dangerous conditions,” he said. “They have made many, many sacrifices to help defeat ISIS, and that keeps the whole world safer.”
The coalition calls on all forces to remain focused on the fight to defeat ISIS, he said, which is the greatest threat to regional and worldwide peace and security.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Articl...ner-counter-isis-fighters/source/GovDelivery/
Turkish Airstrikes in Syria, Iraq Kill Partner Counter-ISIS Fighters
By Cheryl Pellerin DoD News, Defense Media Activity
WASHINGTON, April 26, 2017 — Turkey conducted airstrikes this week in Syria and Iraq that killed partner forces in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, giving little notice and making no effort to coordinate the strikes, a spokesman for Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolvesaid today.
A U.S. Air Force KC-10 Extender refuels a British aircraft during a sortie to support Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve over Iraq, March 22, 2017. Extenders have provided fuel to coalition aircraft to weaken and destroy the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Tyler Woodward
Air Force Col. John Dorrian briefed Pentagon reporters via teleconference from Baghdad.
“Turkey conducted airstrikes in northern Syria's Hasakah province the night before last, resulting in the loss of life of our partnered forces in the fight against ISIS,” Dorrian said. Partner forces in Syria include the Syrian Democratic Forces and the Syrian Arab Coalition, he said.
The Turkish air force notified the Combined Air Operations Center less than an hour before conducting the strikes, “and this was notification -- certainly not coordination as you would expect from a partner and an ally in the fight against ISIS,” the colonel told reporters.
Dorrian said the coalition let the Turks know that the amount of time provided before the strikes was inadequate to assure the safety of forces on the ground. The coalition had forces within six miles of the strikes, he added, but none were put in harm’s way by the strikes.
“It was an unsafe way to conduct operations,” Dorrian said. “It's a very complex battlefield here, and we just want to make sure that coordination is done so we can get these things right and prevent the types of incidents that we saw here, which included the killing of peshmerga soldiers in the Sinjar area [of Iraq].”
Partner Deaths in Iraq
The Turkish air force conducted more airstrikes last night near the northern Iraq town of Sinjar, killing five Kurdish peshmerga fighters, Dorrian said, adding that these strikes also were conducted without proper coordination with the coalition or the Iraqi government. “We're troubled by that,” he said.
No extensive discussions have taken place with Turkey about the strikes, Dorrian said. “But I know that there has been a significant amount of diplomatic activity between the two sides since that occurred,” he told reporters.
Partner forces in both Syria and Iraq have been integral in fighting ISIS, Dorrian said. “They've been reliable in making progress against ISIS fighters under very difficult and dangerous conditions,” he said. “They have made many, many sacrifices to help defeat ISIS, and that keeps the whole world safer.”
The coalition calls on all forces to remain focused on the fight to defeat ISIS, he said, which is the greatest threat to regional and worldwide peace and security.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Articl...ner-counter-isis-fighters/source/GovDelivery/
jormas2000
Kersantti
ISIS will no longer be able to use DJI drones as weapons in most of Iraq and Syria.
For months, ISIS has reportedly been outfitting drones with bombs and other weapons in order to wreak havoc from the sky. DJI, the world’s largest dronemaker, has now tried to do something about it.
https://news.vice.com/story/isis-wi...i-drones-as-weapons-in-most-of-iraq-and-syria
For months, ISIS has reportedly been outfitting drones with bombs and other weapons in order to wreak havoc from the sky. DJI, the world’s largest dronemaker, has now tried to do something about it.
https://news.vice.com/story/isis-wi...i-drones-as-weapons-in-most-of-iraq-and-syria
Tulenarka väite: Kurditaistelijoiden kerrotaan tappaneen 17 Turkin sotilasta Syyrian rajalla
ARNO RYDMAN
13 minuuttia sitten (päivitetty 1 minuutti sitten)
Turkin ja Syyrian välisellä rajalla on sattunut useita yhteenottoja turkkilaisjoukkojen ja kurditaistelijoiden kesken.
Iraqi Newsin mukaan Syyrian kurditaistelijoita lähellä olevat uutissivustot sanovat taistelun tapahtuneen samaan aikaan, kun Turkki on tuonut lisää sotilaitaan rajalle.
Turkkilaisjoukot ja Syyrian kurditaistelijat ovat tulittaneet toisiaan eri paikoissa maiden välisellä rajalla.
Myös Turkin panssaroitu ajoneuvo tuhottiin, kertovat Yhdysvaltain tukemien kurdien YPG-joukkojen lähteet.
YPG:n kerrotaan määränneen joukkojensa vetäytymisen lähellä Turkin rajaa sijaitsevista kaupungeista siltä varalta, että Turkki lähettäisi joukkoja rajan yli.
Turkin hävittäjät tekivät tiistaina ilmaiskuja Irakin ja Syyrian pohjoisosissa tappaen useita Yhdysvaltain tukemia kurditaistelijoita. Turkin mukaan kohteena olivat Kurdistanin työväenpuolue PKK:n asemat. EU ja Yhdysvallat ovat Turkin tapaan luokitelleet PKK:n terroristijärjestöksi.
Yhdysvallat tukee YPG:tä taistelussa Isisiä vastaan. Turkki katsoo YPG:n olevan osa PKK:ta ja on ärsyyntynyt USA:n antamasta tuesta YPG:lle.
ARNO RYDMAN
13 minuuttia sitten (päivitetty 1 minuutti sitten)
Turkin ja Syyrian välisellä rajalla on sattunut useita yhteenottoja turkkilaisjoukkojen ja kurditaistelijoiden kesken.
Turkkilaisjoukot ja kurditaistelijat ottivat yhteen lähellä Syyrian Tal Abyadin aluetta.
(google.fi/maps)
Iraqi Newsin mukaan Syyrian kurditaistelijoita lähellä olevat uutissivustot sanovat taistelun tapahtuneen samaan aikaan, kun Turkki on tuonut lisää sotilaitaan rajalle.
Turkkilaisjoukot ja Syyrian kurditaistelijat ovat tulittaneet toisiaan eri paikoissa maiden välisellä rajalla.
Myös Turkin panssaroitu ajoneuvo tuhottiin, kertovat Yhdysvaltain tukemien kurdien YPG-joukkojen lähteet.
YPG:n kerrotaan määränneen joukkojensa vetäytymisen lähellä Turkin rajaa sijaitsevista kaupungeista siltä varalta, että Turkki lähettäisi joukkoja rajan yli.
Turkin hävittäjät tekivät tiistaina ilmaiskuja Irakin ja Syyrian pohjoisosissa tappaen useita Yhdysvaltain tukemia kurditaistelijoita. Turkin mukaan kohteena olivat Kurdistanin työväenpuolue PKK:n asemat. EU ja Yhdysvallat ovat Turkin tapaan luokitelleet PKK:n terroristijärjestöksi.
Yhdysvallat tukee YPG:tä taistelussa Isisiä vastaan. Turkki katsoo YPG:n olevan osa PKK:ta ja on ärsyyntynyt USA:n antamasta tuesta YPG:lle.