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ctg

Greatest Leader
BEIJING -- The car of the U.S. ambassador to China was surrounded Tuesday by a small group of demonstrators who damaged the vehicle and briefly prevented it from entering the U.S. Embassy compound in Beijing.

A YouTube video of the incident showed the protesters chanting slogans such as "down with the U.S. imperialists" and, in an apparent reference to the Chinese government's purchase of U.S. government debt, "return the money!"

The five-minute video shows a black car approaching the embassy and attempting to turn into the gate. As demonstrators surround the vehicle, several dozen Chinese police and uniformed guards rush to the scene. Several water bottles are thrown at the car and one man can be seen banging on the hood of the vehicle.

The security forces quickly surround the automobile and push the demonstrators away from it.

A State Department spokesperson said Ambassador Gary Locke's car sustained minor damage but the ambassador was unharmed. The spokesperson said U.S. officials had "registered our concern" with China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

[Updated, 6:21 a.m. Sept. 19: Locke told reporters that he was on his way to the Japanese Embassy when his car was surrounded by a few dozen protesters who chanted slogans and briefly blocked his vehicle. "It was all over in a few minutes, and I never felt in danger," he said.]

The U.S. Embassy is located near the Japanese Embassy, which in recent days has been targeted by thousands of Chinese protesters voicing complaints over Tokyo's move to purchase islands in the East China Sea that are also claimed by China.

In an apparent reference to that dispute and the United States' security treaty with Japan, some of the demonstrators Tuesday chanted: "The U.S. government is the mastermind." http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/09/us-ambassador-to-china-surrounded-by-protesters-car-damaged.html
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
The government has stepped up surveillance and security activities around the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea following its nationalization of the islands.

Twelve Chinese surveillance ships entered a zone just outside Japanese territorial waters near the islands on Tuesday. Three of them temporarily intruded into Japanese waters.

The government has repeatedly warned the Chinese ships not to cross the Japanese boundary. It has deployed additional Coast Guard patrol vessels in the area.

China's state-run radio station has reported that 1,000 fishing boats that left Zhejiang and Fujian provinces were expected to arrive near the Islands.

The government will try to prevent Chinese fishing vessels from intruding into Japanese waters near the Senkakus by such means as directing jets of water at them.

Japanese authorities are to immediately arrest any foreign crewmembers who land on the islands.

Anti-Japan protests continue in China over the islands' nationalization.

Japan will continue to ask China to ensure the safety of Japanese nationals in the country. It will also demand measures to prevent damage to Japanese-affiliated firms.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120919_16.html
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
Taipei, Sept. 24 (CNA) At least 75 Taiwanese fishing ships will sail to the disputed Diaoyutai Islands Monday afternoon to protest Japan's nationalization of the island chain and assert Taiwan's fishing rights in the region, according to the event's organizers.

Despite high waves in waters off Suao in Yilan County, many shipowners in the northeastern coastal town began preparations for the protest voyage early in the morning, said Chen Chu-sheng, head of the organizing committee for the upcoming trip.

"The number of fishing boats registered to take part in the protest voyage has increased from 60 to at least 75," Chen said, adding that many fishing boats from other parts of Taiwan will also join the event.

In addition to protesting the Japanese government's recent purchase of three isles in the island group from their private owners to ramp up its sovereignty claim, the protest voyage is also aimed at asserting local fishermen's rights to operate in the Diaoyutai waters, which have long been Taiwan's traditional fishing grounds, Chen said.

The fishing boats are scheduled to start their voyage at 3 p.m. and will converge in waters some 20 nautical miles southwest of the Diaoyutai Islands at around 5 a.m. Tuesday, Chen said, adding that the ships will then split into groups of five and circle the island chain clockwise to underscore their cause.

The fishermen will try to penetrate the Japanese coast guard's defense line to enter waters 12 nautical miles off the Diaoyutais and unfurl protest banners to vent their anger over frequent harassment during their fishing operations in the area, Chen said.

The participating fishermen have not ruled out the possibility of landing on any outcrop in the contested island chain, Chen said.

Located some 100 nautical miles northeast of Taiwan, the Diaoyutai island group has been under Japanese administration since 1972, but is also claimed by Taiwan and China.
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aIPL&ID=201209240009
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
Taipei, Sept. 24 (CNA) The military has response measures in place for contingencies that could arise from a scheduled visit by dozens of Taiwanese fishing boats to the waters near the disputed Diaoyutai Islands Monday afternoon, Defense Minister Kao Hua-chu said.

The military will beef up air patrols over the Diaoyutais and monitor the waters surrounding the islands in the East China Sea, Kao said.
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aALL&ID=201209240006
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
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Japanin rannikkovartio torjuu Taiwanin kalastajia vesitykeillä. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?218025-Today-s-Photos-Tuesday-September-25th-2012&p=6380055&viewfull=1#post6380055
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
September 26, 2012

On Sept. 9, two days before the Japanese government’s final decision, Noda and Hu stood in conversation on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Vladivostok, Russia. It was an informal meeting, not an official one.

Noda began by expressing heartfelt sympathy for the victims of an earthquake that had struck China's Yunnan province on Sept. 7.

Hu's response: "It is illegal to nationalize the Senkaku Islands."

"I want to deal with it from a broad perspective," Noda replied.

Hu told Noda: "Japan must fully recognize the seriousness of the situation. It should not make an error."

But on Sept. 11, as scheduled, Noda's Cabinet formalized the purchase.

A Chinese foreign ministry official reacted with apparent anger.

"The Noda administration did not understand the weight of the words we asked our president to express," the official said. "At the very least, it should have been able to delay the decision."

In China, anti-Japan protests intensified. Demonstrators attacked Japanese factories and retail outlets.

Noda turned angrily to his aides. "Is the Chinese government going to tacitly approve 'yakiuchi'?" he said, using a Japanese word for military-style arson used in battle.

Today, the prime minister’s office has the ongoing problem of how to handle Chinese patrol ships in waters off the Senkaku Islands. About half of Japan's coast guard cutters have been dispatched there, and are tied up in monitoring the flotilla.

"For the time being, coast guard crews are just going to be kept exhausted," admitted a high-ranking government official.

However, Noda has instructed Defense Minister Satoshi Morimoto not to dispatch Self-Defense Force ships. "Just keep monitoring it, in the conventional way," he said.

Japan seems aware of the risk of escalation.

In talks with Luo Zhaohui, his Beijing counterpart, Shinsuke Sugiyama, head of the Asian and Oceanian Affairs Bureau of the Japanese Foreign Ministry said: "Japan and China will be in a serious situation if they cross the red line." http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201209260067
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
Vau, etelä-korean rannikkolaiva vastaan japanin rannikkolaiva. LOL.

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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?217969-Taiwanese-fishing-boats-to-approach-Diaoyutais-in-Japan-protest&p=6379722&viewfull=1#post6379722

En tiedä miten tuota otsikkoa pitäisi muuttaa että saa kaikki osapuolet esille.
 

baikal

Supreme Leader
Ihan suoraan sanoen en ymmärrä Taiwanin roolia ihan täydelleen tässä paketissa? Jos joku ymmärtää niin voisiko avata?

Seuratkaas, foorumin lapsukaiset ja ne pari wanhempaakin herraa, jotka vaativat lähteiltä erityistä laatua, millaisia uutisia Japanista on yllättäen ilmestynyt viime päivinä eettereihin? Japanilaisia iljettävyyksiä on ollut thråådilla, tänään ja eilen mm. "Japani on maailman johtava lapsipornomaa" jne. ......sanokaa onko sattumaa? Seurataans, Japani saa todennäköisesti melkoista rumbaa meedioissa. Lähteenä? Veikkaan akselia Kiina-Taiwan.
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
With all the attention being paid to the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands at the moment, it's worth keeping in mind that they aren't the only remote pacific islets that China and Japan are feuding over. And despite their much-maligned size and lack of resources (besides bat guano), the Diaoyus/Senkakus aren't even the most desolate of the ocean rocks inflaming tensions between the two Asian superpowers.

See: Okinotorishima (pictured above). This singularly unimpressive coral atoll barely remains above the waves at high tide -- and only does so thanks to human help. Japan has spent $600 million taking measures to defend Okinotorishima from the sea by encasing parts of the islets in concrete and steel. Several years ago it sent fishery officials to plant extra coral around them in an attempt to beef them up and protect them from erosion (the islets sit in a particularly stormy corner of the Pacific). Yet even so, at high tide the two chunks of the island that protrude from the water are described as hardly larger than a pair of king size beds, and remained threatened by rising sea levels. http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/24/the_even_smaller_rocks_japan_and_china_are_fighting_over?wpisrc=obnetwork

To be clear, this fight differs from the Diaoyu/Senkaku dispute in that China does not want Okinotorishima (translated as "remote bird island"), or challenge Japan's claim. But the Okinotorishima fight highlights the geopolitics often underlying these island feuds: Japan has gone to such lengths to preserve Okinotorishima because possession of the tiny islets lets Japan claim an extra 150,000 square miles of exclusive economic zone, strategically located between Taiwan and US military bases on Guam. China - which been accused of violating Japanese sovereignty by mapping the sea floor around the islands - claims that they are not islands at all, but marine rocks, and therefore not entitled to their own EEZ (the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea says that rocks must be able to sustain "human habitation or economic life" before they get an EEZ). A recent UN panel on the issue has generated claims of victory from both sides.
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
baikal kirjoitti:
Ihan suoraan sanoen en ymmärrä Taiwanin roolia ihan täydelleen tässä paketissa? Jos joku ymmärtää niin voisiko avata?

Nuo kiistellyt saaret on lähempänä Taiwania kuin Japania taikka Kiinaa ja Taiwanin kalastajat väittävät että he ovat käyneet "pyhällä" kalastusmaalla sitten ajanlaskun alusta. Mutta eiköhän tuossa ole taas jonkinlaiset poliittiset ympyrät mukana kun Taiwanin armeija on lähtenyt leikkiin mukaan.

Mutta mikä Etelä-Koreaa kiihottaa noissa saarissa?
 

crane

Kenraali
ctg kirjoitti:
baikal kirjoitti:
Ihan suoraan sanoen en ymmärrä Taiwanin roolia ihan täydelleen tässä paketissa? Jos joku ymmärtää niin voisiko avata?

Nuo kiistellyt saaret on lähempänä Taiwania kuin Japania taikka Kiinaa ja Taiwanin kalastajat väittävät että he ovat käyneet "pyhällä" kalastusmaalla sitten ajanlaskun alusta. Mutta eiköhän tuossa ole taas jonkinlaiset poliittiset ympyrät mukana kun Taiwanin armeija on lähtenyt leikkiin mukaan.

Mutta mikä Etelä-Koreaa kiihottaa noissa saarissa?

Eikös siellä oo mineraalivaroja ?
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
crane kirjoitti:
ctg kirjoitti:
baikal kirjoitti:
Ihan suoraan sanoen en ymmärrä Taiwanin roolia ihan täydelleen tässä paketissa? Jos joku ymmärtää niin voisiko avata?

Nuo kiistellyt saaret on lähempänä Taiwania kuin Japania taikka Kiinaa ja Taiwanin kalastajat väittävät että he ovat käyneet "pyhällä" kalastusmaalla sitten ajanlaskun alusta. Mutta eiköhän tuossa ole taas jonkinlaiset poliittiset ympyrät mukana kun Taiwanin armeija on lähtenyt leikkiin mukaan.

Mutta mikä Etelä-Koreaa kiihottaa noissa saarissa?

Eikös siellä oo mineraalivaroja ?

Kyllä, mutta en usko että Taiwanilla taikka Etelä-Korealla on kykyä hankkia niitä, vaikka ne ovat yksi high-tech tuottajista, sillä heidän teollisuutensa ei ole kehittynyt merenkulun alueella tarpeeksi, kun taas Kiina ja Japani on jo jonkin aikaa pistäneet resursseja merenpohjan "kartoittamiseen", "näytteiden keräilyyn" sun muuhun vastaavaan.
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
The South China Sea is located within the domain of a plate triple‐junction and can be divided into five major geotectonic blocks that control the formation and distribution of the mineral resources of the region: (1) the southern China faulted block, (2) the eastern Indochina faulted block, (3) the Nansha‐Borneo faulted block, (4) the Taiwan‐Luzon faulted block, and (5) the central ocean basin faulted block. Apart from oil and gas, the most intensively exploited mineral deposits in the South China Sea are near‐shore placer minerals of titaniferous magnetite, zircon, monazite, tin, gold, and chromite. Based on analyses of submarine morphology and sea level change during the past 15,000 years, the South China Sea continental shelves are considered to be highly prospective for additional placer occurrence associated with such submarine features as: submerged platforms and terraces, drowned rivers and sand bars, ancient beaches, and seafloors covered by relict sediments. Additionally, based on available data, polymetallic sulfides and manganese nodules and crusts are considered as speculative resources of the future in the South China Sea. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10641199309379907
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
Vähän lisää taustaa. Tämä vuodelta 2011.

BEIJING: Within days of the ongoing diplomatic row between India and China over Indian plans to explore oil in maritime areas offered by Vietnam in the South China Sea, China on Saturday announced plans to expand its seabed mineral explorations in the Indian Ocean. The announcement came after International Seabed Authority (ISA) approved China’s bid to mine for polymetallic sulphide ore.

...

Apparently in preparation for its ambitious oceanic research projects, China has stepped up its experiments with first manned deep sea submersible which touched about 6000 meters in the Pacific Ocean last month with three people on board.

According to China’s State Oceanic Administration (SOA), the submersible named Jiaolong is designed to reach a maximum depth of 7,000 meters expected some time next year. It completed 17 dives in the South China Sea between 31 May and 18 July last year, reaching 3,759 metres during its deepest dive. China is the fifth country to send a man 3,500 meters below sea level, following the USA, France, Russia and Japan.
http://isikkim.com/2011-09-after-south-china-sea-row-beijing-plans-seabed-mining-in-indian-ocean-181/

Tieteellistä taustaa.

Several thousand meters deep, some abyssal plains are covered extensively by a strange geological body: polymetallic nodules. Containing metals among the most sought - manganese, copper, nickel and cobalt - hundreds of billions of tons of ore in 1970 to become the subject of an intense scientific and economic competition internationally.
http://wwz.ifremer.fr/drogm_eng/Mineral-resources/Polymetallic-nodules
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said Japan will never budge on its ownership over islands in the East China Sea also claimed by China, doing little to ease tensions with Asia’s top economic power.

While Japan isn’t seeking a military confrontation with China and wants to keep talking “calmly,” the disputed islands “are an inherent part of our territory in light of history and also under international law,” Noda told reporters in New York yesterday. “There can’t be any compromise that would be a step back from this basic position.”

Tensions over the islands, known as Diaoyu in Chinese and Senkaku in Japanese, spilled over to an annual gathering of world leaders at the United Nations. The foreign ministers of China and Japan held talks on Sept. 25 in New York that failed to ease a feud damaging a $340 billion trade relationship.

The conflict has sparked the worst diplomatic crisis between the two nations since 2005, when thousands of Chinese protested Japanese textbooks that downplayed wartime atrocities. Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi told Japanese counterpart Koichiro Gemba that China “will not tolerate” Japan’s claims, according to a Chinese Foreign Ministry statement.

Gemba described the atmosphere at the meeting as “severe” and emphasized Japan’s “maximum restraint” over the dispute, Kyodo News reported.

“There was agreement to maintain lines of communication through working-level talks,” Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura told reporters yesterday in Tokyo, adding that the meeting lasted about an hour. “There are no magic tricks in diplomacy. It all comes down to holding talks through various channels and at various levels.”
Canceled Reservations

The crisis sparked protests in China that have damaged operations for Japanese companies. Reservations for more than 40,000 seats on All Nippon Airways (9202) flights were canceled from September to November, Executive Vice President Osamu Shinobe told reporters in Tokyo yesterday and Japan Airlines Co. (9201) had 15,500 cancellations as of Sept. 24. Nissan Motor Co. (7201) said it’s halting production in China to reflect falling demand,

Organizations in the two countries canceled or postponed a series of events, including plans to mark the 40th anniversary of diplomatic relations. China skipped an international disaster relief conference in Tokyo, the official Xinhua News Agency reported. Chinese leaders in the Japanese city of Yokohama canceled an annual National Day parade on Oct. 1.

Nissan, the top Japanese seller of vehicles in China, yesterday said August output there fell 8.9 percent from a year earlier, while Toyota Motor Corp. (7203)’s production dropped 18 percent and Honda Motor Co. (7267)’s fell 10 percent. Japanese autos will lose their lead this year to German competitors for the first time since 2005, China’s Passenger Car Association estimates.
Production Suspended

Nissan will suspend China production from Sept. 27 -- three days earlier than planned -- and resume output on Oct. 8 in view of the “current market situation,” company spokesman Chris Keeffe said. Toyota said it’s suspending output until Oct. 8 in Guangzhou and Tianjin, and at its Sichuan FAW plant from Sept. 29. note. Production is typically shut down for the annual week- long holiday in China that starts Oct. 1.

Japanese carmakers, still recovering from natural disasters in Japan and Thailand last year, may face an even bigger financial toll from the protests in the world’s biggest automobile market, according to projections from China’s Passenger Car Association.

Thousands of people have taken part in anti-Japanese protests across cities across China over the island dispute. Protesters threw bottles and eggs at the Japanese embassy in Beijing this month, while demonstrators also caused minor damage to the official vehicle of U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-26/japan-won-t-compromise-with-china-on-claim-to-islands-noda-says.html
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
“There is a danger of China and Japan having a military conflict,” said Yan Xuetong, one of China’s most influential foreign policy strategists, and a noted hawk. “I do not see either side making concessions. Both sides want to solve the situation peacefully, but neither side can provide the right approach.”

He warned that unless one side backed down, there could be a repeat of the Falklands conflict in Asia.

“Generally speaking, according to the theory of international relations, unless one country makes concessions to the other, the escalation of a conflict between two countries will not stop until there is a military clash, like between the UK and Argentina,” he said.
http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/8361
 

aj77

Respected Leader
Kuuluu sarjassamme tehtyihin konflikteihin joita meidän lehdistö ei juuri ole suostunut tai jaksanut avata,poislukien eilinen aamulehden lainaus aasian lehdiltä.

Taustana koko hommassa oli Japanin äärioikeistolainen kuvernööri joka pitkään oli suunnitellut ostavansa saaret yksityisiltä itselleen. Tämä olisi myös tapahtunut ellei Japanin hallitus olisi puuttunut asiaan.
He katsoivat että on pienempi paha kun hallitus hoitaa saaret itselleen,kuin tuo äärioikeistolainen kooho joka ei olisi Kiinaa kuunnellut.

Joten nyt ollaan sitten kriisissä,koska Nipponin hallitus menettää kasvonsa jos he joutuvat perääntymään..
No niin tai näin. Eihän tästä mitään seuraa. Kaikki on pelkkää teatteria ja kulisseissa sovitaan sitten hommat.
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
The EIA estimates that there could be roughly 100 million barrels of oil and 2 trillion cubic feet (TCF) of natural gas in the East China Sea, though Chinese sources show resource estimates of 160 billion barrels and 250 TCF of natural gas. If the Chinese sources were correct, this area would have more oil than the entirety of Iran. http://www.hangthebankers.com/the-real-reason-china-and-japan-are-disputing-the-islands-oil-and-gas/
 

ctg

Greatest Leader
A helicopter from Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force flew close to South Korean-controlled islets claimed by Japan on Sept. 21 and returned after a warning was issued by the South Korean military, broadcaster KBS said Thursday.

The MSDF said it was aware the chopper entered the air defense zone as claimed by South Korea while conducting a take-off and landing drill on MSDF Destroyer Ariake, positioned around 50 kilometers east of Takeshima Islands, known as Dokdo in Korean. http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2012/10/186306.html
 
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