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China has slammed Tokyo for targeting its military aircraft with "decoy flares" over a waterway near Japan, calling the actions "dangerous and unprofessional".

Two Japanese F-15s fired the projectiles as the Chinese planes passed through the Miyako Strait between Japan's Miyako and Okinawa Islands, the defence ministry said in a statement on its website Saturday.

The incident took place Saturday morning as the Chinese planes carried out "routine far seas training", the statement said, adding the aircraft were in international airspace when the encounter occurred.

"The actions of the Japanese fighters was dangerous and unprofessional and smashed the freedoms of navigation and overflight provided by international law," it said.

The statement gave no details about the Chinese aircraft.

Contacted by AFP, neither the Japanese defence ministry nor the prime minister's office could confirm the incident.

In September, China sent more than 40 military planes -- including fighters and bombers -- through the air space.

At the time, Japan's defence ministry said it was the first time Chinese fighters had passed over the waterway.

It followed China's first military flight, carried out by spy planes, over the Miyako Strait last year.

Japan and China are at loggerheads over a longstanding territorial row in the East China Sea.

That dispute relates to uninhabited islets controlled by Japan known as the Senkakus in Japanese and the Diaoyus in Chinese.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/China_slams_Japan_after_jets_targeted_with_decoy_flares_999.html

Japan has lashed out at China over claims its fighter jets obstructed Beijing's military aircraft, saying the allegation was "clearly untrue".

China's defence ministry said two Japanese F-15s launched "decoy flares" in international airspace over the East China Sea on Saturday, actions it called "dangerous and unprofessional".

Tokyo denied anything was fired during the encounter, and said it had protested to Beijing over the allegation.

"It is extremely regrettable that the Chinese defence ministry one-sidedly made a clearly untrue announcement," Japan's top government spokesman Yoshihide Suga told reporters on Sunday.

The two countries intermittently spar over claims of air and sea misconduct in and above the waters of the East China Sea, where they are engaged in a row over the ownership of uninhabited islands.

China did not give details about its manoeuvres, but said its aircraft had been carrying out "routine far seas training" when they passed through the Miyako Strait in the Okinawan chain.

The strait is a pinch point in Japan-China relations because it is one of the few egresses into the Pacific Ocean for Chinese ships and aircraft that avoid Japanese airspace.

Beijing's growing military is keen to flex its muscles and push further afield as it develops a "blue seas" navy capable of operating far from home waters, but is hemmed in by the Japanese archipelago.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China_fighter_jet_claim_untrue_Japan_999.html
 

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China should plan to take Taiwan by force and make swift preparations for a military incursion, a Communist party-controlled newspaper has said, after US president-elect Donald Trump broke decades of diplomatic protocol in the region.

Before he even assumes the presidency, Trump has called into question the longstanding US foreign policy of maintaining formal relations with Beijing instead of Taiwan, which China considers a breakaway province. He also spoke directly with Taiwan’s president, the first such contact since 1979. Both moves have infuriated China.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/15/china-plan-taiwan-force-trump-call-state-media

China appears to have positioned “significant” weapons systems, including anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems, on all seven of the artificial islands it has built in the South China Sea, despite vowing it had no intention of militarising the archipelago, a US thinktank has claimed.

During a state visit to the United States last year President Xi Jinping publicly stated that China did “not intend to pursue militarisation” of the strategic and resource-rich trade route through which about $4.5tn (£3.4tn) in trade passes each year.

However, satellite images released on Wednesday by the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies appeared to show Beijing was doing just that.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nt-chinese-weapons-systems-in-south-china-sea



muut kuvat löytyvät linkin alta https://amti.csis.org/chinas-new-spratly-island-defenses/
 
Viimeksi muokattu:
When I first went to Hiroshima in 1967, the shadow on the steps was still there. It was an almost perfect impression of a human being at ease: legs splayed, back bent, one hand by her side as she sat waiting for a bank to open. At a quarter past eight on the morning of 6 August, 1945, she and her silhouette were burned into the granite. I stared at the shadow for an hour or more, unforgettably. When I returned many years later, it was gone: taken away, ‘disappeared’, a political embarrassment.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/john-pilger-the-coming-war-on-china/
Kyseiset portaat ovat näytillä Hiroshima Memorial Museumissa.

 
Kiina avustaa Pohjois-Koreaa ydinaseiden kehittelyssä, Kinaa uhkailee Taiwania, Vietnamia ja Filippiinejä, minusta Kiina ajaa sotaa omilla toimillaan.
On hyvä muistaa myös mitä USA on alueella tehnyt. Korean sota, Taiwanin tukeminen jne. Vai silleenkö tehdään politiikkaa että USA määrää ja muut seuraa? Kompromisseihin kykeneviä ihmisiä tarvitaan eikä niitä jotka sanelee mitä tehdä tai jättää tekemättä.
 

Talvela

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On hyvä muistaa myös mitä USA on alueella tehnyt. Korean sota, Taiwanin tukeminen jne. Vai silleenkö tehdään politiikkaa että USA määrää ja muut seuraa? Kompromisseihin kykeneviä ihmisiä tarvitaan eikä niitä jotka sanelee mitä tehdä tai jättää tekemättä.

Kiina on pahempi kuin Venäjä kaikissa suhteissa, sillä vain sattuu olemaan talous kunnossa ja saanut vapaasti mellastaa.
Jos tuomitsee Venäjän ja pitää sitä uhkana niin Kiinan toimien hyväksyminen on tekopyhyyttä.
Etelä-Korea, Taiwan ja Japani eivät olisi edes nykyisessä mitassa demokraattisia tai läntisessä leirissä ilman Yhdysvaltojen vaikutusta.
 

aj77

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Muistaakseni se oli ihan Kiinan virallinen doktriini haastaa yhdysvallat sotilaallisesti ja valmistautua suureen koitokseen. Tuotakin liputtivat jo vuosia sitten. Vaan eivät ole vielä valmiit. Eikös lentotukialukset kuulunut oleellisesti tähän?
Varmasti joku Kiinalainen suuri strategi ja ajattelija Oo Fuk pitää konfliktia selviönä.
 

ctg

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China’s Liaoning aircraft carrier battle group has conducted its first exercises with live ammunition, the country’s navy said, in a show of strength as tensions with the US and Taiwan escalate.

China’s first and only aircraft carrier led large-scale exercises in the Bohai Sea, the navy of the People’s Liberation Army announced late on Thursday.

The drills involved dozens of ships and aircraft in the carrier group and more than 10 air-to-air, anti-ship and air defence missiles were tested, it said.

The group also performed reconnaissance exercises, tests of early warning systems, aerial interception and missile defence.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ft-carrier-group-amid-taiwan-tensions-with-us
 

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China said Thursday that the deployment of weapons in the South China Sea had "nothing to do with militarisation", calling the construction of defensive facilities "normal".

The comments came after images released by the US-based Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) showed a series of hexagonal structures on each of seven islets China constructed on uninhabitable rocks and reefs.

The structures appear to be large anti-aircraft guns and close-in weapons systems (CIWS) designed to take out incoming missiles and enemy aircraft, the AMTI said.

Speaking at a regular press briefing, foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told journalists that he was not aware of the report, but said that islands in the South China Sea were the country's "inherent territory".

"To conduct construction on China's own territory and deploy necessary national defence facilities is quite normal," he said, adding that the deployment of defensive weapons had "nothing to do with militarisation".:p

China's defence ministry said on a verified social media account that the construction was mostly for civilian use, and that necessary military installations were for self-defence.

"If someone were flexing his muscles outside your door, wouldn't you get a slingshot ready?", it wrote.

Tensions in the strategic area have been brewing for years, with China, the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam making competing claims in waters with vital global shipping routes and what is believed to be significant oil and natural gas deposits.

The Philippine foreign ministry said Manila was still independently verifying the AMTI report.

If true, "then it is a cause for serious concern because it tends to raise tension and undermine peace and stability in the region," spokesman Charles Jose told AFP.

In a statement sent to AFP, Australia's foreign minister Julie Bishop said that the building of artificial islands and possible militarisation was "creating an environment of tension and mistrust" in the region.

Without naming China, she said Australia urged countries to "refrain from coercive behaviour and unilateral actions designed to change the status quo in disputed areas" and warned such behaviour would lead to "reputation and other costs".

Beijing's territorial claims, based in part on controversial historical records, have also pitted it against the United States.

The American military has conducted several "freedom of navigation" operations in which ships and planes have passed close to the sites Beijing claims.

The US has sailed warships near the islands, but the ships have not passed within the 12 nautical mile zone that international law defines as territorial waters.

Such missions have drawn howls of fury from China, which accuses Washington of provocation and increasing the risk of a military mishap.


At a meeting with Barack Obama in 2015 China's president Xi Jinping pledged Beijing "does not intend to pursue militarisation" in the South China Sea.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague ruled in July that there was no legal basis to China's claims to nearly all of the South China Sea, a verdict Beijing has dismissed.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/China_says_weapons_in_S_China_Sea_not_militarisation_999.html

Beijing dismissed concerns Thursday over recent reports of Chinese military aircraft manoeuvres near Japanese territory and in the South China Sea, state media said, calling them routine exercises.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/China_says_S_China_Sea_military_overflights_routine_999.html
 

BlackFox

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Nyt kyllä haiskahtaa hiukan eritason luotaimelta.

Kiina takavarikoinut USA:n merentutkimusluotaimen

Perjantai 16.12.2016 klo 19.01

Kiina on takavarikoinut yhdysvaltalaisen miehittämättömän vedenalaisen tutkimusluotaimen Etelä-Kiinan merellä, kertovat Yhdysvaltain puolustusviranomaiset.

Niiden mukaan tapaus sattui kansainvälisillä vesillä.

Amerikkalaisten mukaan luotainta käytettiin meren suolapitoisuuden ja lämpötilan tutkimiseen. Tutkimustuloksia käytetään helpottamaan vedenalaisten väylien kartoittamisessa, viranomaiset sanovat.
 

vlad

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Lahjoittaja
Nyt kyllä haiskahtaa hiukan eritason luotaimelta.

Kiina takavarikoinut USA:n merentutkimusluotaimen

Perjantai 16.12.2016 klo 19.01

Kiina on takavarikoinut yhdysvaltalaisen miehittämättömän vedenalaisen tutkimusluotaimen Etelä-Kiinan merellä, kertovat Yhdysvaltain puolustusviranomaiset.
...
Kiinnostavaa nähdä julkaisevatko kiinalaiset mitään dataa tai kuva-aineistoa kyseisestä merentutkimusluotaimesta, sen perusteella voisi jo hiukan päätellä, että mistä on ollut kyse.

Toisaalta jos tutkimusluotain on ollut kv. merialueilla kun se on kaapattu, kiinalaisten toiminta tulee hyvin kyseenalaiseen valoon. Toinen kysymys on tietty se, että onko tutkimusluotain ollut kaikken aikaa kv. merialueilla vai onko se ollut "kiistanalaisella" vyöhykkeellä - joka tosin kv. oikeuden mukaan on kv. merialuetta sanovat kiinalaiset mitä tahansa.

Viimeisimpien viikkojen kehityskulku useammalla "rintamalla" on hyvin huolestuttavaa. Enpä todellakaan haluaisi olla Trumpin housuissa tammikuussa kun valta vaihtuu. No ehkäpä "Mad dog" klaaraa homman kotiin!

vlad
 

Vonka

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ELSO 3.0
Selvä haaste. Mikähän on reaktio?
Obaman? Sama kuin tässä presidentinvaalien hakkeroinnissa ja kybervaikuttamisessa. Uhoaa, että vastaamme samalla mitalla. Tässä tapauksessa vaaditaan tietenkin välitöntä palauttamista.
 

vlad

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Onkohan paikka oikein tuossa:
"The incident happened about 100 miles north-west of the Philippines’ port of Subic Bay."
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/china-seizes-us-underwater-drone-south-china-sea
Selvä haaste. Mikähän on reaktio?
Stratforin twiitti aiheesta:

"Snapshot: China’s seizure of US sub in South China Sea comes amid harsh rhetoric btwn Beijing & incoming Trump admin https://www.stratfor.com/snapshots/...witter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=article ."


vlad
 
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krd

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ctg

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The Philippine president has said he would “set aside” a ruling by an international arbitration tribunal that invalidated Beijing’s claims to most of the South China Sea, because he doesn’t want to impose on China.

“In the play of politics, now, I will set aside the arbitral ruling. I will not impose anything on China,” Rodrigo Duterte said at a news conference on Saturday.

He made the comment when asked if a US thinktank report stating that China installed anti-aircraft and anti-missile weapons on its new artificial islands in the disputed waters would affect his perception of Beijing. The Philippines claims the reefs, which were turned by China into man-made islands.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-tribunal-ruling-to-avoid-imposing-on-beijing
 

krd

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Eli jos saa vallattua niin saat pitää. Ei hyvä.