Ukrainan konflikti/sota

NBC artikkelin mukaan Hegseth pysäytti Ukrainan aseavun vaikka hänen tilaamansa analyysi varastoista sanoi että eri asejärjestelmien varastotasot eivät ole "liian alhaiset" (artikkeli julkaistu 4.7.2025):

NBC exclusive — Hegseth halted weapons for Ukraine despite military analysis that the aid wouldn’t jeopardize U.S. readiness

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/milita...ary-analysis-aid-wouldnt-jeopardiz-rcna216790

Hegseth halted weapons for Ukraine despite military analysis that the aid wouldn’t jeopardize U.S. readiness​

The move blindsided the State Department, Ukraine, European allies and members of Congress, who demanded an explanation from the Pentagon.

July 4, 2025, 1:00 PM GMT+3
By Gordon Lubold, Dan De Luce, Courtney Kube and Katherine Doyle


The Defense Department held up a shipment of U.S. weapons for Ukraine this week over what officials said were concerns about its low stockpiles. But an analysis by senior military officers found that the aid package would not jeopardize the American military’s own ammunition supplies, according to three U.S. officials.

The move to halt the weapons shipment blindsided the State Department, members of Congress, officials in Kyiv and European allies, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the matter.

Critics of the decision included Republicans and Democrats who support aiding Ukraine’s fight against Russia. A leading House Democrat, Adam Smith of Washington, said it was disingenuous of the Pentagon to use military readiness to justify halting aid when the real reason appears to be simply to pursue an agenda of cutting off American aid to Ukraine.

Pete Hegseth
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth following a bilateral meeting with Netherlands' prime minister on the sidelines of the NATO summit in The Hague on June 25, 2025. Brendan Smialowski / AFP - Getty Images


“We are not at any lower point, stockpile-wise, than we’ve been in the 3½ years of the Ukraine conflict,” Smith, the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee, told NBC News.

Smith said that his staff has “seen the numbers” and, without going into detail, that there was no indication of a shortage that would justify suspending aid to Ukraine.

Suspending the shipment of military aid to Ukraine was a unilateral step by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, according to three congressional aides and a former U.S. official familiar with the matter. It was the third time Hegseth on his own has stopped shipments of aid to Ukraine, the sources said. In the two previous cases, in February and in May, his actions were reversed days later.


A senior Pentagon official, Elbridge Colby, the undersecretary of defense for policy, has backed the moves, the sources said. Colby has long advocated scaling back the U.S. commitment in Ukraine and shifting weapons and resources to the Pacific region to counter China.

Lawmakers from both parties were frustrated that they were not notified in advance and were examining whether the delayed shipment violated legislation mandating security assistance for Ukraine, according to congressional aides. Those lawmakers and some European allies were trying to determine just why the Pentagon ordered the suspension and were scrambling to get it reversed.

The White House has defended the decision, saying it followed an ongoing review by the Defense Department of U.S. assistance to allies and partners abroad that began last month.

The review began after Hegseth issued a memo ordering the Pentagon’s Joint Staff to review stockpiles of all munitions. According to three officials familiar with the matter, the assessment found that some stockpiles of high-precision munitions were at lower levels but not yet beyond critical minimums.

The Joint Staff concluded that providing continued assistance to Ukraine would not drain U.S. supplies below a required threshold needed to ensure military readiness, the officials said.

The Pentagon did not respond to a request for comment Thursday.

Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell called the assessment a “capability review" at a briefing Wednesday.

“We can’t give weapons to everybody all around the world,” Parnell said. “Part of our job is to give the president a framework that he can use to evaluate how many munitions we have where we’re sending them. And that review process is happening right now and is ongoing.”

Ukraine has issued urgent appeals to Washington for more air defense systems as Russia has stepped up its bombardment of Ukrainian cities. Over the weekend, Russia launched its biggest aerial attack of the three-year-old conflict, firing 60 missiles and 477 drones across the country.

The delayed shipment included dozens of Patriot interceptors, coveted weapons for Ukraine to knock out incoming missiles, as well as 155 mm artillery rounds, Hellfire missiles, precision-guided missile systems known as GMLRS, grenade launchers, Stinger surface-to-air missiles and AIM air-to-air missiles for Ukraine’s small fleet of F-16 fighter jets.

In Poland and other European countries, some of the U.S. weapons had already been loaded onto trucks, ready to be delivered to Kyiv to help its government fend off Russian missile attacks and hold the line against ground forces in the country’s east. Then, military officers and officials handling the shipment got word that the delivery had been called off, said two sources with knowledge of the matter.

The weapons shipment was approved during the Biden administration, three U.S. officials said. Some of the weapons were pulled from U.S. stockpiles, with the Pentagon receiving funds to replenish them. Other munitions fall under a program that provides money to buy new weapons for Ukraine from American defense companies, the officials said. Those weapons are not drawn from U.S. supplies.

‘Rookie mistake’

Since the United States began sending large shipments of weapons to Kyiv after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, U.S. officials and commanders have grown concerned about the state of American stockpiles of munitions and other equipment.

The aid effort has laid bare the inadequacy of the defense industrial base to replenish those weapons stocks. That has, in some cases, put the Pentagon at dangerously low levels of some munitions, including 155 mm artillery rounds, according to multiple U.S. officials and former military officers.

In a letter to President Donald Trump, Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., requested an emergency briefing from the White House and the Defense Department to review the decision “to withhold urgent, lifesaving military assistance to Ukraine.”

He argued that it was possible to both maintain adequate weapons supplies for the U.S. military and send arms badly needed by Kyiv.

Dan Caldwell, a former senior Pentagon official, defended the pause by Hegseth and Colby.

"They are prioritizing the safety and readiness of our own military over pleasing the foreign policy establishment, who often seem in denial about the real constraints the United States military is facing," Caldwell said.

Hegseth has twice before suspended aid to Ukraine without apparent coordination with lawmakers on Capitol Hill or even within the administration. The first time, in February, drew a prickly response from the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Roger Wicker, R-Miss., who called the move “a rookie mistake.”

The next time was in early May, according to a Senate aide. In both cases, the suspensions of aid were reversed within days.

Rep. Michael McCaul, R- Texas, a staunch supporter of military aid to Ukraine, said it was crucial to show Russia that the United States would stand behind Ukraine.

“We can’t let Putin prevail now. President Trump knows that too and it’s why he’s been advocating for peace,” McCaul wrote on social media. “Now is the time to show Putin we mean business. And that starts with ensuring Ukraine has the weapons Congress authorized to pressure Putin to the negotiating table.”


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Ketä tässä nyt sitten pitäisi uskoa? Kenties Hegseth on toteuttanut ylempää tullutta käskyä? Tai kenties hän on sooloillut, kuvitellen toteuttavansa "ylemmän tahon toiveita"?

Tai kenties varastotasot ovat oikeasti "liian alhaiset" mistä syystä asetoimitusten keskeyttäminen on tarpeen - edes hetkeksi? Tässä tapauksessa NBC:n artikkelissa siteeratut lähteet olisivat väärässä.
 
NBC artikkelin mukaan Hegseth pysäytti Ukrainan aseavun vaikka hänen tilaamansa analyysi varastoista sanoi että eri asejärjestelmien varastotasot eivät ole "liian alhaiset" (artikkeli julkaistu 4.7.2025):

NBC exclusive — Hegseth halted weapons for Ukraine despite military analysis that the aid wouldn’t jeopardize U.S. readiness

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/milita...ary-analysis-aid-wouldnt-jeopardiz-rcna216790

Hegseth halted weapons for Ukraine despite military analysis that the aid wouldn’t jeopardize U.S. readiness​

The move blindsided the State Department, Ukraine, European allies and members of Congress, who demanded an explanation from the Pentagon.

July 4, 2025, 1:00 PM GMT+3
By Gordon Lubold, Dan De Luce, Courtney Kube and Katherine Doyle


The Defense Department held up a shipment of U.S. weapons for Ukraine this week over what officials said were concerns about its low stockpiles. But an analysis by senior military officers found that the aid package would not jeopardize the American military’s own ammunition supplies, according to three U.S. officials.

The move to halt the weapons shipment blindsided the State Department, members of Congress, officials in Kyiv and European allies, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the matter.

Critics of the decision included Republicans and Democrats who support aiding Ukraine’s fight against Russia. A leading House Democrat, Adam Smith of Washington, said it was disingenuous of the Pentagon to use military readiness to justify halting aid when the real reason appears to be simply to pursue an agenda of cutting off American aid to Ukraine.

Pete Hegseth
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth following a bilateral meeting with Netherlands' prime minister on the sidelines of the NATO summit in The Hague on June 25, 2025. Brendan Smialowski / AFP - Getty Images


“We are not at any lower point, stockpile-wise, than we’ve been in the 3½ years of the Ukraine conflict,” Smith, the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee, told NBC News.

Smith said that his staff has “seen the numbers” and, without going into detail, that there was no indication of a shortage that would justify suspending aid to Ukraine.

Suspending the shipment of military aid to Ukraine was a unilateral step by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, according to three congressional aides and a former U.S. official familiar with the matter. It was the third time Hegseth on his own has stopped shipments of aid to Ukraine, the sources said. In the two previous cases, in February and in May, his actions were reversed days later.


A senior Pentagon official, Elbridge Colby, the undersecretary of defense for policy, has backed the moves, the sources said. Colby has long advocated scaling back the U.S. commitment in Ukraine and shifting weapons and resources to the Pacific region to counter China.

Lawmakers from both parties were frustrated that they were not notified in advance and were examining whether the delayed shipment violated legislation mandating security assistance for Ukraine, according to congressional aides. Those lawmakers and some European allies were trying to determine just why the Pentagon ordered the suspension and were scrambling to get it reversed.

The White House has defended the decision, saying it followed an ongoing review by the Defense Department of U.S. assistance to allies and partners abroad that began last month.

The review began after Hegseth issued a memo ordering the Pentagon’s Joint Staff to review stockpiles of all munitions. According to three officials familiar with the matter, the assessment found that some stockpiles of high-precision munitions were at lower levels but not yet beyond critical minimums.

The Joint Staff concluded that providing continued assistance to Ukraine would not drain U.S. supplies below a required threshold needed to ensure military readiness, the officials said.

The Pentagon did not respond to a request for comment Thursday.

Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell called the assessment a “capability review" at a briefing Wednesday.

“We can’t give weapons to everybody all around the world,” Parnell said. “Part of our job is to give the president a framework that he can use to evaluate how many munitions we have where we’re sending them. And that review process is happening right now and is ongoing.”

Ukraine has issued urgent appeals to Washington for more air defense systems as Russia has stepped up its bombardment of Ukrainian cities. Over the weekend, Russia launched its biggest aerial attack of the three-year-old conflict, firing 60 missiles and 477 drones across the country.

The delayed shipment included dozens of Patriot interceptors, coveted weapons for Ukraine to knock out incoming missiles, as well as 155 mm artillery rounds, Hellfire missiles, precision-guided missile systems known as GMLRS, grenade launchers, Stinger surface-to-air missiles and AIM air-to-air missiles for Ukraine’s small fleet of F-16 fighter jets.

In Poland and other European countries, some of the U.S. weapons had already been loaded onto trucks, ready to be delivered to Kyiv to help its government fend off Russian missile attacks and hold the line against ground forces in the country’s east. Then, military officers and officials handling the shipment got word that the delivery had been called off, said two sources with knowledge of the matter.

The weapons shipment was approved during the Biden administration, three U.S. officials said. Some of the weapons were pulled from U.S. stockpiles, with the Pentagon receiving funds to replenish them. Other munitions fall under a program that provides money to buy new weapons for Ukraine from American defense companies, the officials said. Those weapons are not drawn from U.S. supplies.

‘Rookie mistake’

Since the United States began sending large shipments of weapons to Kyiv after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, U.S. officials and commanders have grown concerned about the state of American stockpiles of munitions and other equipment.

The aid effort has laid bare the inadequacy of the defense industrial base to replenish those weapons stocks. That has, in some cases, put the Pentagon at dangerously low levels of some munitions, including 155 mm artillery rounds, according to multiple U.S. officials and former military officers.

In a letter to President Donald Trump, Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., requested an emergency briefing from the White House and the Defense Department to review the decision “to withhold urgent, lifesaving military assistance to Ukraine.”

He argued that it was possible to both maintain adequate weapons supplies for the U.S. military and send arms badly needed by Kyiv.

Dan Caldwell, a former senior Pentagon official, defended the pause by Hegseth and Colby.

"They are prioritizing the safety and readiness of our own military over pleasing the foreign policy establishment, who often seem in denial about the real constraints the United States military is facing," Caldwell said.

Hegseth has twice before suspended aid to Ukraine without apparent coordination with lawmakers on Capitol Hill or even within the administration. The first time, in February, drew a prickly response from the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Roger Wicker, R-Miss., who called the move “a rookie mistake.”

The next time was in early May, according to a Senate aide. In both cases, the suspensions of aid were reversed within days.

Rep. Michael McCaul, R- Texas, a staunch supporter of military aid to Ukraine, said it was crucial to show Russia that the United States would stand behind Ukraine.

“We can’t let Putin prevail now. President Trump knows that too and it’s why he’s been advocating for peace,” McCaul wrote on social media. “Now is the time to show Putin we mean business. And that starts with ensuring Ukraine has the weapons Congress authorized to pressure Putin to the negotiating table.”


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Ketä tässä nyt sitten pitäisi uskoa? Kenties Hegseth on toteuttanut ylempää tullutta käskyä? Tai kenties hän on sooloillut, kuvitellen toteuttavansa "ylemmän tahon toiveita"?

Tai kenties varastotasot ovat oikeasti "liian alhaiset" mistä syystä asetoimitusten keskeyttäminen on tarpeen - edes hetkeksi? Tässä tapauksessa NBC:n artikkelissa siteeratut lähteet olisivat väärässä.
Tai sitten varaudutaan johonkin mitä ei nyt ulkopuolelle kommunikoida. Ts. Kuten ne Israelia varte / Irania varte lähi-itään käännetyt asetoimitulset.
 
Niin,hassultahan tuo tuntuu, mutta jospa ajatus on urennut kun nyt käydään maasotaa ww1/2 tyyliin ja varastotasojen laskenta on perustunut moderniin maasotaan , ei pitkäkestoiseen jauhamiseen.
Ei USA lähde kenenkään kanssa mitään tykistökaksintaisteluja käymään. Koreassa se voisi olla mahdollista, mutta paikallinen armeija on riittävästi varautunut.

Vaikka Venäjä ei pysty parempaan, niin USA:n muu tulivoima on eri planeetalta.
 
Tai sitten varaudutaan johonkin mitä ei nyt ulkopuolelle kommunikoida. Ts. Kuten ne Israelia varte / Irania varte lähi-itään käännetyt asetoimitulset.

Totta, tuokin selittäisi asian.

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Tässä yksi näkemys lisää Yhdysvaltain aseavusta, Italian pääministeri Meloni kommentoi asiaa näin (myös hän on jutellut Trumpin kanssa puhelimitse):

Italian Prime Minister Says US Continues Support for Ukraine, Revising Only Part of Supplies, — ANSA

Meloni said the US has not abandoned support for Kyiv, but has only changed its approach to deliveries of certain types of weapons. She stressed that this is significantly different from a complete cessation of aid.

During a personal conversation with Trump, Meloni discussed the situation in Ukraine and trade tariffs. She expressed hope for positive changes in these areas, emphasizing the importance of continuing the dialogue to achieve progress in resolving the conflict and strengthening economic ties.


 
Meloni said the US has not abandoned support for Kyiv, but has only changed its approach to deliveries of certain types of weapons. She stressed that this is significantly different from a complete cessation of aid.
Katsotaan mitä seuraavaksi tapahtuu, mutta pahoin pelkään seuraavien toimitusten olevan pääasiassa luokkaa "Thoughts and prayers"...
 
Katsotaan mitä seuraavaksi tapahtuu, mutta pahoin pelkään seuraavien toimitusten olevan pääasiassa luokkaa "Thoughts and prayers"...
Aika hämmentävää, ketjua lukiessa on saanut sen kuvan että ei Yhdysvallat ole juuri enää mitään antanut ja silläkään vähällä mitä on ei juuri ole ollut enää merkitystä.

Nyt kuitenkin taas puhutaan että tykistöammuksista yms tulee vieläkin sieltä valtaosa ja että Ukrainan pitäisi skaalata omaa tuotantoaan ylös.
 
Aika hämmentävää, ketjua lukiessa on saanut sen kuvan että ei Yhdysvallat ole juuri enää mitään antanut ja silläkään vähällä mitä on ei juuri ole ollut enää merkitystä.

Nyt kuitenkin taas puhutaan että tykistöammuksista yms tulee vieläkin sieltä valtaosa ja että Ukrainan pitäisi skaalata omaa tuotantoaan ylös.
Tässä tilastoa:

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Edit: Lisäksi 100 miljardia Ukrainalle luvattua apua on käytetty ihan kaikkeen muuhun:

Q3: So, what happened to the “missing” $100 billion?

A3:
The short answer is that it is not missing. The funds went (mostly) to activities that arose because of the war, and all are accounted for. Some paid for sending equipment and funds directly to Ukraine. A large part went to activities that arose because of the war but were not spent in Ukraine.

 
Viimeksi muokattu:
Tässä tilastoa:

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Edit: Lisäksi 100 miljardia Ukrainalle luvattua apua on käytetty ihan kaikkeen muuhun:

Q3: So, what happened to the “missing” $100 billion?

A3:
The short answer is that it is not missing. The funds went (mostly) to activities that arose because of the war, and all are accounted for. Some paid for sending equipment and funds directly to Ukraine. A large part went to activities that arose because of the war but were not spent in Ukraine.

Niin siis mitä usa on antanut trumpin kauden aikana. Siitä on ollut puhetta.. Siis puhetta on antanut

edit: niin kuin tuo talukokko näytää trumpin aikana ei ole tullut mitään. paitsi bidenin paketteja.
 
USA on kyllä jonkin verran myynyt aseita Ukrainalle. Puhutaan kuitenkin pienistä dollarisummista, eikä kaikkia asejärjestelmiä Trump ilmeisesti halua edes myydä.
 
Jos Trump ei ole venäjän tuotos usan johdossa vaan oikeasti noudattanut tällaista Champerlain-tyyppistä ajatusta, että täytyy katsoa loppuun asti että tietää varmasti, niin nyt hän sitten sen viimeistään tietää varmasti.

Samalla Kiina ilmoittaa julkisesti että ei voi antaa Venäjän hävitä, koska Usa kääntää sitten koko huomionsa heihin. Joten voisi päätellä että Usan etu olisi nyt Ukrainan voitto ja runsas tukeminen. Nyt on Trumpilla näytön paikka. Enää ei selitykset auta. Jos hän ei tee mitään hän on Venäjän työkalu tai historian heikoin presidentti.
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