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Kallaksen mukaan sota Ukrainassa kulkee huolestuttavampaan suuntaan kuin miltä se ehkä ulospäin näyttää.

– Sosiaalisessa mediassa Ukraina antaa onnistuneesti vaikutelman, että heillä menee erittäin hyvin. Todellisuudessa tämä kuva ei ole kuitenkaan niin ruusuinen. Venäjällä on iso sotilaallinen ylivoima, hän muistutti.

Vähän realismia somekansalle...
 
A-studiossa Suomen puolustusvoimien komentaja juuri toppuutteli katsojia uskomasta täysin median antamaan kuvaan Vanjan heikkoudesta. Tulivoimassa ovat vielä hurjasti edellä ja reserviä löytyy lisää. En minä osaa sanoa, ei Ukraina halvalla myy nahkaansa.
Jos nämä kaikki uudet asetoimitukset toteutuu, niin ei se kalustosta jää kiinni, ja ilmatilakin muuttuu vaarallisemmaksi Vanjalle.
 
Realistisen kokonaistilannekuvan saaminen, edelleen. Haastavaa on. Osassa kaupunkeja väitetysti, neste- ja ruokahuollon toteuttaminen haasteellista. Kaikki informaatio, syväsuodattimen kautta tulkittuna.

Ukrainan vastarinnan säilyessä riittävällä tasolla. Merkittäviä suorituskykyyn vaikuttavia sotilaallisia- ja muita avustuksia saapumassa ja lisää sovittuina. Venäjän edelleen sitoessa suorituskykyään laajalle, useilla painopiste-alueilla.

Vaikutelmana Venäjän lisääntyneet vaikeudet, mm. rekrytointien haussa, joista ainakin tällä hetkellä osa ei ole onnistunut halutulla tavalla, mm. V-Venäjä.

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Ukraina haluaisi Suomesta Bukkeja, mutta aika vähän siitä näyttäisi mediasta löytyvän tietoja.

Lähinnä hakukone antoi tulokseksi englantilaisen Kent Online -nimisen alueellisen uutissivuston jutun, jossa asia mainitaan. Englantilainen kansanedustaja oli käynyt Ukrainassa ja saanut sikäläisiltä ostoslistan Ukrainan tarvitsemasta sotakalustosta. Mukana Suomen Bukit.
MP Adam Holloway has said Britain should accept "many tens of thousands" of refugees from Ukraine, following his return from the war-torn country.
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Following the visit he explained he had spoken to a senior commander in the Ukrainian army. and showed Mr Farage a notebook, which he said contained a 'shopping list' of military equipment the Ukrainians need.
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"What they're screaming for is air defence systems. In this notebook I've got their shopping list of equipment. What's really striking is that they actually know where the air defence systems which they want are. For example they want a load from Finland. Finland recently upgraded its system and its old system, which is called the Buk system, they've actually got them in warehouses. The Ukrainians desperately want those because they've got Buk already and they know how to use them."
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Mortti kirjoitti:
Ukraina haluaisi Suomesta Bukkeja, mutta aika vähän siitä näyttäisi mediasta löytyvän tietoja.

Lähinnä hakukone antoi tulokseksi englantilaisen Kent Online -nimisen alueellisen uutissivuston jutun, jossa asia mainitaan. Englantilainen kansanedustaja oli käynyt Ukrainassa ja saanut sikäläisiltä ostoslistan Ukrainan tarvitsemasta sotakalustosta. Mukana Suomen Bukit.
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Ilmatorjuntamuseostako meinaavat sen ainoan jäljellä olevan hakea? Suomihan luopui Buk-järjestelmästä ajat sitten, mahorkka kun haisi liikaa
 
By Yaroslav Trofimov / Photographs by Manu Brabo for The Wall Street Journal March 16, 2022 11:37 am ET

VOZNESENSK, Ukraine—A Kalashnikov rifle slung over his shoulder, Voznesensk’s funeral director, Mykhailo Sokurenko, spent this Tuesday driving through fields and forests, picking up dead Russian soldiers and taking them to a freezer railway car piled with Russian bodies—the casualties of one of the most comprehensive routs President Vladimir Putin’s forces have suffered since he ordered the invasion of Ukraine.

A rapid Russian advance into the strategic southern town of 35,000 people, a gateway to a Ukrainian nuclear power station and pathway to attack Odessa from the back, would have showcased the Russian military’s abilities and severed Ukraine’s key communications lines.

Instead, the two-day battle of Voznesensk, details of which are only now emerging, turned decisively against the Russians. Judging from the destroyed and abandoned armor, Ukrainian forces, which comprised local volunteers and the professional military, eliminated most of a Russian battalion tactical group on March 2 and 3.

The Ukrainian defenders’ performance against a much-better-armed enemy in an overwhelmingly Russian-speaking region was successful in part because of widespread popular support for the Ukrainian cause—one reason the Russian invasion across the country has failed to achieve its principal goals so far. Ukraine on Wednesday said it was launching a counteroffensive on several fronts.

“Everyone is united against the common enemy,” said Voznesensk’s 32-year-old mayor, Yevheni Velichko, a former real-estate developer turned wartime commander, who, like other local officials, moves around with a gun. “We are defending our own land. We are at home.” Voznesensk Mayor Yevheni Velichko, left, atop a bridge Ukrainian military engineers blew up.

The Russian military says its Ukraine offensive is developing successfully and according to plan. Moscow hasn’t released updated casualty figures since acknowledging on March 2 the death of 498 troops, before the Voznesensk battle.

Russian survivors of the Voznesensk battle left behind nearly 30 of their 43 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, multiple-rocket launchers and trucks, as well as a downed Mi-24 attack helicopter, according to Ukrainian officials in the city. The helicopter’s remnants and some pieces of burned-out Russian armor were still scattered around Voznesensk on Tuesday.

Russian forces retreated more than 40 miles to the southeast, where other Ukrainian units have continued pounding them. Some dispersed in nearby forests, where local officials said 10 soldiers have been captured.

“We didn’t have a single tank against them, just rocket-propelled grenades, Javelin missiles and the help of artillery,” said Vadym Dombrovsky, commander of the Ukrainian special-forces reconnaissance group in the area and a Voznesensk resident. “The Russians didn’t expect us to be so strong. It was a surprise for them. If they had taken Voznesensk, they would have cut off the whole south of Ukraine.”

Ukrainian officers estimated that some 100 Russian troops died in Voznesensk, including those whose bodies were taken by retreating Russian troops or burned inside carbonized vehicles. As of Tuesday, 11 dead Russian soldiers were in the railway car turned morgue, with search parties looking for other bodies in nearby forests. Villagers buried some others. A Russian soldier’s body before transfer to the Voznesensk morgue. Bodies of Russian soldiers in the freezer train car turned morgue.

“Sometimes, I wish I could put these bodies on a plane and drop them all onto Moscow, so they realize what is happening here,” said Mr. Sokurenko, the funeral director, as he put Tuesday’s fifth Russian cadaver on blue-plastic sheeting inside his van marked “Cargo 200”—Soviet military slang for killed in action. A Ukrainian military explosives specialist accompanied him, because some bodies had been booby trapped.

About 10 Ukrainian civilians died in Voznesensk during the combat and two more after hitting a land mine afterward, local officials said. Ukraine doesn’t disclose its military losses. There were fatalities, mostly among the Territorial Defense volunteer forces, local residents said.

The Russian operation to seize Voznesensk, 20 miles from the South Ukrainian Nuclear Power Plant, was ambitious and well-equipped. It began after Russian forces fanned out of the Crimean Peninsula, which Moscow severed from Ukraine and annexed in 2014, and thrust northward to seize the regional capital of Kherson on March 1. They pushed to the edge of Mykolaiv, the last major city before Odessa, Ukraine’s main port.

About 55 miles north of Mykolaiv, Voznesensk offered an alternative bridge over the Southern Bug river and access to the main highway linking Odessa with the rest of Ukraine. Russian forces raced toward the town at the same time as they made a successful push northeast to seize the city of Enerhodar, where another major Ukrainian nuclear power plant is located. Voznesensk’s fall would have made defending the nuclear plant to the north of here nearly impossible, military officials said.
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On March 1, the Russian military column departs Kherson headed north and northeast.

To reach Odessa, the column must cross the Southern Bug in Mykolaiv or Voznesensk. The river runs in a deep canyon and can only be crossed via bridge.

The column reaches Voznesensk, where the bridge over the Mertvovod tributary of the Southern Bug has been destroyed by local forces, stopping the northward progression.

After two days of fighting, most of the column is destroyed. Survivors escape east toward Bashtanka. Source: staff reports

Mayor Velichko worked with local businessmen to dig up the shores of the Mertvovod river that cuts through town so armored personnel vehicles couldn’t ford it. He got other businessmen who owned a quarry and a construction company to block off most streets to channel the Russian column into areas that would be easier to hit with artillery.

Ahead of the Russian advance, military engineers blew up the bridge over the Mertvovod and a railroad bridge on the town’s edge. Waiting for the Russians in and around Voznesensk were Ukrainian regular army troops and members of the Territorial Defense force, which Ukraine established in January, recruiting and arming volunteers to help protect local communities. Local witnesses, officials and Ukrainian combat participants recounted what happened next. Missile strikes

The Russian assault began with missile strikes and shelling that hit central Voznesensk, destroying the municipal swimming pool and damaging high-rises. Helicopters dropped Russian air-assault troops in a forested ridge southwest of Voznesensk, as an armored column drove from the southeast. Mr. Velichko said a local collaborator with the Russians, a woman driving a Hyundai SUV, showed the Russian column a way through back roads.

Ukrainian officers estimate that some 400 Russian troops took part in the attack. The number would have been bigger if these forces—mostly from the 126th naval infantry brigade based in Perevalnoye, Crimea, according to seized documents—hadn’t come under heavy shelling along the way.

Natalia Horchuk, a 25-year-old mother of three, said Russian soldiers appeared in her garden in the village of Rakove in the Voznesensk municipality early March 2. They told her and neighbors to leave for their safety, and parked four tanks and infantry fighting vehicles between the houses. “Do you have anywhere to go?” she recalled them asking. “This place will be hit.”

“We can hide in the cellar,” she replied.

“The cellar won’t help you,” they told her. Hiding valuables, she and her family fled, as did most neighbors. Children play near the shelled clinic in Rakove. One of the Ukrainian troops inspecting ruined houses where Russian soldiers rested.

Outside Rakove, Volodymyr Kichuk, a guard at a walnut plantation, woke to find five Russian airborne troops in his hut. They took his phone and forced him to lie on the ground, said his wife, Hanna. “Once they realized there was nothing to steal, they told him: You can get up after we leave,” she said. By day’s end, the couple were gone from the village.

Russian soldiers took over villagers’ homes in Rakove and created a sniper position on a roof. They looked for sacks to fill with soil for fortifications, burned hay to create a smoke screen and demanded food.

A local woman who agreed to cook for the Russians is now under investigation, said Mr. Dombrovsky. “A traitor—she did it for money,” he said. “I don’t think the village will forgive her and let her live here.”

Downhill from Rakove, Russian forces set up base at a gas station at Voznesensk’s entrance. A Russian BTR infantry fighting vehicle drove up to the blown-up bridge over the Mertvovod, opening fire on the Territorial Defense base to the left. Five tanks, supported by a BTR, drove to a wheat field overlooking Voznesensk.

A group of Territorial Defense volunteers armed with Kalashnikovs was hiding in a building at that field’s edge. They didn’t have much of a chance against the BTR’s large-caliber machine gun, said Mykola Rudenko, one of the city’s Territorial Defense officers; some were killed, others escaped. Russian troops in two Ural trucks were preparing to assemble and set up 120-mm mortars on the wheat field, but they got only as far as unloading the ammunition before Ukrainian shelling began. Russian soldiers took over villagers’ homes during their advance on Voznesensk; above and below, Ukrainian troops inspect such houses in Rakove.
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Marcus Antonius kirjoitti:
Mielellään lähettäisi slobojen omalla kielellä.

Joka otsikon oltava erilainen! Muuten helppo raakata Tehtaankadun bunkkerissa.
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Нарушение прав человека

Я не заметил какой-либо дискриминации в отношении русских или русскоязычных. Финны понимают, что мало кто из россиян действительно поддерживает трусливую войну Путина.

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As darkness fell March 2, Mr. Rudenko, who owns a company transporting gravel and sand, took cover in a grove on the wheat field’s edge under pouring rain. The Russian tanks there would fire into Voznesensk and immediately drive a few hundred yards away to escape return fire, he said.

Mr. Rudenko was on the phone with a Ukrainian artillery unit. Sending coordinates via the Viber social-messaging app, he directed artillery fire at the Russians. So did other local Territorial Defense volunteers around the city. “Everyone helped,” he said. “Everyone shared the information.”

Ukrainian shelling blew craters in the field, and some Russian vehicles sustained direct hits. Other Ukrainian regular troops and Territorial Defense forces moved toward Russian positions on foot, hitting vehicles with U.S.-supplied Javelin missiles. As Russian armor caught fire—including three of the five tanks in the wheat field—soldiers abandoned functioning vehicles and escaped on foot or sped off in the BTRs that still had fuel. They left crates of ammunition.

Mr. Rudenko picked up a Russian conscript days later, he said, who served as an assistant artillery specialist at a Grad multiple-rocket launcher that attacked Voznesensk from a forest. The 18-year-old conscript, originally from eastern Ukraine and a Crimea resident since 2014, suffered a concussion after a Ukrainian shell hit near him. He woke the next morning, left his weapon and wandered into a village, Mr. Rudenko said. There, a woman took him into her home and called the village head, who informed Territorial Defense. “He’s still in shock about what happened to him,” Mr. Rudenko said.

Mr. Dombrovsky, the reconnaissance-unit commander, said he captured several soldiers in their early 20s and a 31-year-old senior lieutenant from the Russian military intelligence. The lieutenant, he said, had forced a private to swap uniforms but was discovered because of the age discrepancy—and because Ukrainian forces found Russian personnel files in the column’s command vehicle.

“The Russians had orders to come in, seize, and await further instructions,” Mr. Dombrovsky said. “But they had no orders for what to do if they are defeated. That, they didn’t plan for.” Ukrainian troops in a village where the Russian forces camped in their advance toward Voznesensk. Russian military gear from the Voznesensk battle.

Russian troops had detained a local man on March 2 after they found him to have binoculars, villagers said. “They had put him in a cellar and told him they will execute him in the morning, for correcting artillery fire,” Mr. Dombrovsky said, adding that the detainee wasn’t a spotter. “But in the morning they didn’t have time to execute him. They were too busy fleeing.” The Russians retreat

As the Russian forces retreated on March 3, they shelled the downhill part of Rakove. A direct hit pierced the roof of the local clinic, where Mr. Dombrovsky’s mother, Raisa, worked as a nurse. “We’ve just built a new roof,” she sighed, showing the gaping hole. “But it doesn’t matter. The main thing is that we have kicked them out, and survived.”

When villagers returned to Rakove on March 4, they found their homes ransacked. “Blankets, cutlery, all gone. Lard, milk, cheese, also gone,” said Ms. Horchuk. “They didn’t take the potatoes because they didn’t have time to cook.”

This week, village homes still bore traces of Russian soldiers. Cupboards and closets were still flung open from looting, and Russian military rations and half-eaten jars of pickles and preserves littered floors.

The Ukrainian army’s 80th brigade was towing away the last remaining Russian BTRs with “Z” painted on their sides, the identification markers that in Russia have become the symbol of the invasion. About 15 Russian tanks and other vehicles were in working or salvageable condition, said Mr. Dombrovsky. “We are ready to hit the Russians with their own weapons,” he said. Others, mostly burned-out wrecks, were removed from streets because they scared civilians and contained ordnance, the mayor said. A Ukrainian army truck tows a Russian armored vehicle in Voznesensk on Tuesday. Ukrainian troops build a defensive position on Voznesensk’s outskirts.

Electricity, disrupted during combat, has returned in Voznesensk, as have internet, gas and water services. ATMs have been restocked with cash, supermarkets with food.

The only explosions are from bomb squads occasionally disposing ordnance. Mr. Velichko, the mayor, fielded citizen phone calls Tuesday, telling one he would take care of a possibly rabid dog and assuring another that her utilities wouldn’t be cut in wartime even if she was late in paying. He argued with an army commander because Ukrainian soldiers had siphoned fuel from the gas station.

Spartak Hukasian, head of the Voznesensk district council, said the city—no longer near front lines—was starting to get used to relatively peaceful life again. “He who laughs last laughs best,” he said. “We haven’t had a chance to laugh until now.”
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A Ukrainian Town Deals Russia One of the War’s Most Decisive Routs

In the two-day battle of Voznesensk, local volunteers and the military repelled the invaders, who fled leaving behind armor and dead soldiers. ‘They had no orders for what to do if they are defeated.’
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Viron pääministeri: Sodan kulusta liian ruusuinen kuva | Verkkouutiset

Viron pääministeri: Sodan kulusta liian ruusuinen kuva | Verkkouutiset
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Kallaksen mukaan sota Ukrainassa kulkee huolestuttavampaan suuntaan kuin miltä se ehkä ulospäin näyttää.

– Sosiaalisessa mediassa Ukraina antaa onnistuneesti vaikutelman, että heillä menee erittäin hyvin. Todellisuudessa tämä kuva ei ole kuitenkaan niin ruusuinen. Venäjällä on iso sotilaallinen ylivoima, hän muistutti.

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Venäjän käytössä olevasta määrästä ja reserveistä ja muistakin Ukrainaan/Natoon liittyvistä asioista katsoin tällaisen videon. Paljon asiaa.
 
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