Ukrainan konflikti/sota
Hohhoijaa. Tuossakin olisi puuta ympärillä tehdä kunnon laavut tai laittaa edes majoitteiden lattioille runkoa ja oksaa niin ei tarvitsisi huoltotiloissa kahlata mudassa. Vaan ei, koska ryssä.
rty19
Greatest Leader
The Russian aircraft was shot down by the NASAM air defence system shortly after it entered the conflict. - Military Cognizance
American NASAMS air defence system has now recorded its first kill, according to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense. Despite having just arrived in Ukraine a week ago, the US-supplied NASAMS air defence system entered the conflict right away and is said to have shot down an enemy aircraft. The US...
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Humppaveikko22
Luutnantti
Varmasti ollaan kaikki samaa mieltä, että nyt aletaan viimeistään olemaan tilanteessa, että Ukrainalle on PAKKO antaa riittävää kaukovaikutus kykyä.
Tilanne alkaa nyt tavallaan selkeytymään ja sotilasasiantuntijat kautta lännen ovat varmasti samaa mieltä, että nyt niitä pitkän kantaman puikkoja tarvitaan ja voidaan myös hyvin kartalta näyttää politiikoillekkin, että mihin niitä tarvitaan. Niin paljon ne säästäisivät Ukrainalaisten sankarien verta, että olisi suorastaan vastuutonta ja moraalitonta olla antamatta niitä Ukrainalle.
Eilinen Aristovich. Tässä on kommenttia muiltakin rintamilta (Pavlivkan epäonnistuminen oli ehkä viimeinen sinetti Hersonista vetäytymiseen) mutta otetaan Hersonia koskeva alle.
has told truth – holding of Kherson is without perspectives. have learned to retreat, so far it’s very orderly, and less than expected for full-scale retreat. In last 4 hours approximately 200 vehicles have crossed Kahovka dam. has left first defensive line, and is taking 2nd and 3rd lines, which go along irrigation channels and are good as anti-tank barriers. Bridges are being destroyed, and unexpected pontoon bridges set up for retreats, not allowing 
to target traffic jams near bridges.
Everything is being mined carefully. Unknown, how long plans to hold positions and extend retreat, and if they are going to put up fight for Kherson city.
forces are carefully and methodically advancing, doing advance recon. using some artillery, while is using everything they have on retreating forces. still doesn’t have enough long-range weapons, to block retreat completely, so most of forces will be able to retreat. Kherson will be liberated soon, but exact time-frame is unknown.
Reports coming in later, that is preparing for city battles, to cause heavy causalities for
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Kherson:
For the first time in 8 months, has told truth – holding of Kherson is without perspectives. have learned to retreat, so far it’s very orderly, and less than expected for full-scale retreat. In last 4 hours approximately 200 vehicles have crossed Kahovka dam. has left first defensive line, and is taking 2nd and 3rd lines, which go along irrigation channels and are good as anti-tank barriers. Bridges are being destroyed, and unexpected pontoon bridges set up for retreats, not allowing to target traffic jams near bridges.Everything is being mined carefully. Unknown, how long
plans to hold positions and extend retreat, and if they are going to put up fight for Kherson city. forces are carefully and methodically advancing, doing advance recon. using some artillery, while is using everything they have on retreating forces. still doesn’t have enough long-range weapons, to block retreat completely, so most of forces will be able to retreat. Kherson will be liberated soon, but exact time-frame is unknown.Reports coming in later, that
is preparing for city battles, to cause heavy causalities for
WarTranslated - Dmitri Masinski
Russian-English language translation of intercepted call & other materials from the Russian invasion of Ukraine, to improve understanding of the conflict for the broader Western audience.
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Tämä twiittailija ilmeisesti tuuttaa kaikkea telegrammista suoraan, joten eivät ole edes semi-vahvistettuja.
Mutta tämän mukaan UA etenisi hyvää vauhtia kohti Beryslavia asiallisen ilmatuen kanssa. Mylove olisi ohitettu eilen iltana.
Some information. The 17th Armored Brigade and the 128th Mountain Infantry Brigade are making great progress towards Berysław. The wrongs have passed ... supposedly yesterday evening. According to rumors, they attack, but under a strong umbrella of air support, helicopters and UAVs.
EDIT: lisätään vielä että tuonne tilille tulee niin nopeasti twiittiä nyt että perässä ei pysy. Lukekaa huhunhimoiset sieltä
Mutta tämän mukaan UA etenisi hyvää vauhtia kohti Beryslavia asiallisen ilmatuen kanssa. Mylove olisi ohitettu eilen iltana.
Some information. The 17th Armored Brigade and the 128th Mountain Infantry Brigade are making great progress towards Berysław. The wrongs have passed ... supposedly yesterday evening. According to rumors, they attack, but under a strong umbrella of air support, helicopters and UAVs.
EDIT: lisätään vielä että tuonne tilille tulee niin nopeasti twiittiä nyt että perässä ei pysy. Lukekaa huhunhimoiset sieltä
Coffee Man
Respected Leader
Ukrainalaisten kaatuneet tilastoidaan tarkasti eikä Ukrainalla ole sodan loputtua mitään syytä kaatuneiden määrää piilotella ja kaunistella. Sota on sotaa mutta Ukraina pyrkii pitämään omat tappiot minimissä ja kaikesta päätellen myös onnistuu siinä ihan hyvin. Kaoottiset alkuvaiheet olivat tietysti asia erikseen ja silloin oli vielä sotataidoissakin hiomista.
Mitä venäläisiin tulee niin taantuminen ihmisaaltomeininkiin on tismalleen oikea arvio.
Massoittain uhrattava ja lähes aseistamaton tykinruoka on halpaa lihaa joka työnnetään etulinjaan ja unohdetaan sinne. Edes oma tykistö ei tiedä missä ne omat joukot milloinkin ovat joten kahden tulen väliin joutuminen ei todellakaan ole mikään harvinainen ilmiö. Eloon jää vain älykkäin aines joka osaa antautua ajoissa juuri oikealla tavalla oikeassa paikassa. Loukkaantuneet vuotavat kuiviin ja kaatuneet maatuvat pelloille jos ukrainalaiset eivät niitä ajoissa löydä. Suurin osa massasta vain katoaa johonkin ja kaatuneiksi ne tilastoidaan hyvällä tuurilla joskus kymmenien vuosien kuluttua jos silloinkaan.
Tilastot pysyvät matalalla tasolla ja esimiehet kuppaavat kaatuneiden palkat omiin taskuihinsa niin kauan kun sotaa käydään
Kaatuneiden tarkkaa lukumäärää ei tule kukaan tietämään ikinä edes Venäjällä saati sitten sen ulkopuolella. Varmaa on vain se että määrä on valtava ja kasvaa aina vain nopeammin ja nopeammin kun Ukraina vyöryy päälle ja omat ampuvat selkään jos massa lähtee vyörymään väärään suuntaan.
StepanRudanskij
Respected Leader
Ukrainalla on itsellään kyky valmistaa pitkän matkan puikkoja omalle alustalleen. Muutaman ovat käyttäneetkin. Tarvittavia osia sinne voidaan kai toimittaa, jotta saavat tuotantoa kasvatettua. Toivottavasti niitä on kasattu varastoon ja alkaa jossain kohtaa sataa sopiviin kohteisiin.
U.S. Refuses Advanced Drones for Ukraine to Avoid Escalation With Russia
WASHINGTON—The Biden administration won’t give Ukraine advanced drones despite pleas from Kyiv and a bipartisan group of members of Congress, a reflection of the limit of the kinds of weaponry Washington is willing to provide for Ukraine’s defense.
The decision deprives Ukraine of the kind of advanced weaponry Kyiv has been requesting for months. The Pentagon declined the request based on concerns that providing the Gray Eagle MQ-1C drones could escalate the conflict and signal to Moscow that the U.S. was providing weapons that could target positions inside Russia, U.S. officials and other people familiar with the decision said
U.S. officials, at times, have also worried that the technology aboard the drone could be stolen on the battlefield. But those concerns, that the cameras on board the platform could be stolen if the aircraft were to be shot down, weren’t a central aspect of the decision, officials said.
A spokesman for General Atomics, which makes the Gray Eagle, confirmed that the company had been made aware of a decision, but declined to comment on the details. Pentagon officials had no immediate comment.
The White House didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
Members of Congress from both parties have pushed the administration to give Ukraine the medium altitude, armed drones that can fly for more than 24 hours. In a September letter, 17 lawmakers urged the administration to speed up its review process about providing Gray Eagles, which spurred a briefing on Capitol Hill about the decision, congressional officials familiar with the briefing said.
“While important, thorough risk assessments and mitigation should not come at the expense of Ukrainian lives,” the bipartisan group of legislators wrote in their September letter.
The decision came as Russia announced a withdrawal of its troops Wednesday from the southern city of Kherson and surrounding areas, in what could be one of its biggest retreats since its February invasion. Ukrainian officials warned that Russia could be bluffing and that a significant number of troops remain in Kherson.
Declining to give Ukraine armed drones makes it harder for its soldiers to defend civilian populations and infrastructure that Russia has targeted throughout the war, advocates said.
“Ukrainians have shown they are capable and responsible stewards of the military aid that we the United States provide them,” said Mykola Murskyj, director of government affairs for Razom for Ukraine, a U.S. aid group.
“It means Ukrainian soldiers have to put their lives at risk to take out artillery positions that are bombing Ukrainian towns and villages.”
The decision deprives Ukraine of the kind of advanced weaponry Kyiv has been requesting for months. The Pentagon declined the request based on concerns that providing the Gray Eagle MQ-1C drones could escalate the conflict and signal to Moscow that the U.S. was providing weapons that could target positions inside Russia, U.S. officials and other people familiar with the decision said
U.S. officials, at times, have also worried that the technology aboard the drone could be stolen on the battlefield. But those concerns, that the cameras on board the platform could be stolen if the aircraft were to be shot down, weren’t a central aspect of the decision, officials said.
A spokesman for General Atomics, which makes the Gray Eagle, confirmed that the company had been made aware of a decision, but declined to comment on the details. Pentagon officials had no immediate comment.
The White House didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
Members of Congress from both parties have pushed the administration to give Ukraine the medium altitude, armed drones that can fly for more than 24 hours. In a September letter, 17 lawmakers urged the administration to speed up its review process about providing Gray Eagles, which spurred a briefing on Capitol Hill about the decision, congressional officials familiar with the briefing said.
“While important, thorough risk assessments and mitigation should not come at the expense of Ukrainian lives,” the bipartisan group of legislators wrote in their September letter.
The decision came as Russia announced a withdrawal of its troops Wednesday from the southern city of Kherson and surrounding areas, in what could be one of its biggest retreats since its February invasion. Ukrainian officials warned that Russia could be bluffing and that a significant number of troops remain in Kherson.
Declining to give Ukraine armed drones makes it harder for its soldiers to defend civilian populations and infrastructure that Russia has targeted throughout the war, advocates said.
“Ukrainians have shown they are capable and responsible stewards of the military aid that we the United States provide them,” said Mykola Murskyj, director of government affairs for Razom for Ukraine, a U.S. aid group.
“It means Ukrainian soldiers have to put their lives at risk to take out artillery positions that are bombing Ukrainian towns and villages.”
WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Refuses Advanced Drones for Ukraine to Avoid Escalation With Russia
Biden administration won’t give Ukraine Gray Eagles despite pleas from Kyiv and a bipartisan group of members of Congress.
www.wsj.com
Omana mielipiteenäni esitän, että pelkäävät lähinnä hitec-lintujensa päätyvän vihollisen saaliiksi. Israelilla on ollut sama perustelu oman rautansa myymättömyydelle.
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Ryssien päämassa pakenee Hersonista Nova Kakovkhan patosillan kautta. Aristovichin mukaan eilen 4 tunnissa pakeni 200 autoa.
Patosilta on jo nyt kevyesti Excaliburin kantamalla UA:n eilisistä asemista. Viime sekunttien (!!!) huhujen mukaan UA olisi jo Stepnessä, mistä on 30 km patosillalle. Jos UA pystyy/uskaltaa tuoda isokalibeerit telatykit etulinjaan niin patosilta ehkä saadaan normikranaattien vaikutuspiiriin vielä tänään. Tokihan GMLRS on olemassa.
Patosilta on jo nyt kevyesti Excaliburin kantamalla UA:n eilisistä asemista. Viime sekunttien (!!!) huhujen mukaan UA olisi jo Stepnessä, mistä on 30 km patosillalle. Jos UA pystyy/uskaltaa tuoda isokalibeerit telatykit etulinjaan niin patosilta ehkä saadaan normikranaattien vaikutuspiiriin vielä tänään. Tokihan GMLRS on olemassa.
Puolalainen sarjatwiittaaja kommentoi näin.
"Pawliwka, around Donetsk. The RUS attacks the town for the 5th time. Fighting continues in the buildings themselves. The AU still has the center and bridges under control, but the situation is difficult."
Minä niin toivon että tunnolliset parempi-korealaiset veistelisivät puvut oman maan sotilaille mitoitettuna. Sellasia anorektikkomalleja. Olisi hauska ylläri rintamalla. Tai sillä joka ne univormut vetää välistä.
Vielä tulkintani Shoigun teatterista; väitetään perääntyvämme ja että viedään aseet ja siviilitkin turvaan.
Eli tosiasiassa, annetaan niiden 40k ryssän kuolla, mitä nyt muutama onnekas voi päästä joen yli. Tapetaan itse maksimaalisesti siviilejä kuten aina. Aseet jäävät Ukrainalle, koska ketään ei niitä kiinnostaisi pelastaa vaikka olisi kykyäkin, mitä ei ole.
tulikomento
Supreme Leader
On hieno maa tuo ryssälä. Ei tule lyijykaivoksissa puurtaville penskoille länsimainen woketus, mädätys ja homostelut mieleen kun kuokkivat Pyhä Äiti-Venäjä mielessään Putlerille raaka-aineita sotimista varten.