Afganistan

Olisi hauska tietää minkälaista pommia tai iskua nuo tuossa jutussa mainitut "eräät analyytikot" olisivat sitten suositelleet, jos kerta MOAB oli niiden mielestä niin suhteeton. Minusta jo pelkkä uhrien määrä, 90 tai enemmän, ja se että vihollinen oli kaivautunut tunneleihin ja luoliin kertoo, että ISISillä oli alueella ns. strongholdi, joka oikeuttaisi vähän järeämpien aseiden käytön.

Totta. Itse epäilin sen tehoa jos kerran Venäjä heitti sitä kaikeilla ydinpommia pienemmällä, mutta ei saanut luolastoa hiljaiseksi. Ajattelin, että tuo MOAB olisi pitänyt virittää sinne luolaston sisälle ja tukkia oviaukkoa, jotta täyteen tehoon päästään. Missään ei ole mainittu kuitenkaan kuka uhrit löysi ja kuka meni luolastoon sisälle uhreja tutkimaan.
 
Totta. Itse epäilin sen tehoa jos kerran Venäjä heitti sitä kaikeilla ydinpommia pienemmällä, mutta ei saanut luolastoa hiljaiseksi. Ajattelin, että tuo MOAB olisi pitänyt virittää sinne luolaston sisälle ja tukkia oviaukkoa, jotta täyteen tehoon päästään. Missään ei ole mainittu kuitenkaan kuka uhrit löysi ja kuka meni luolastoon sisälle uhreja tutkimaan.

No, Venäläiset tuskin tiesivät siellä olleen kunnollisen tunneliverkoston ja vain aluepommittivat aluetta.

Sinällään olen yllättynyt, että tuossa ei käytetty MOP:ia, kun se varmastikin toimisi paremmin tunneleita vastaan.

Mutta varmaan sillekin on syynsä.
 
Sinällään olen yllättynyt, että tuossa ei käytetty MOP:ia, kun se varmastikin toimisi paremmin tunneleita vastaan.

Mutta varmaan sillekin on syynsä.
Syy: ylipaine. MOP toimisi varmaan paremmin kovia betonisia bunkkerikomplekseja vastaa, mutta ne ISIS:sin tunnelit eivät tainneet olla ihan sellaisia.

Here's why the 'mother of all bombs' exploded 6 feet above its target in Afghanistan
http://nordic.businessinsider.com/moab-airburst-bomb-explanation-2017-4?r=US&IR=T
The GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb (MOAB), sometimes grimly called the "Mother of All Bombs," was loaded onto a pallet, flown in a cargo plane (likely a C-130), then dragged out the back of the plane - pallet included - by a parachute.

That left the 21,600 pound bomb free-falling toward Earth. The MOAB isn't the heaviest non-nuclear bomb in the US arsenal (that's the 30,000-pound Massive Ordinance Penetrator), but with a length of 30 feet and an estimated cost of $15.7 million, it's a very powerful military equipment.

The Air Force bought 15 MOABs from Boeing in 2011, so the deadly machine represented more than 6% of the total US stockpile of such weapons.

In free-fall, the MOAB quickly detached from its pallet and deployed course-adjusting grid fins. Hooked up to a computer and a GPS system, those fins bent the MOAB's Earthward course toward a pre-selected target. In this case, that target was an underground ISIS tunnel complex, according to the Department of Defense.

The MOAB itself never touched the ground at the complex, however. Instead, like most large weapons (including nuclear bombs), it detonated in the air moments before impact. There were probably about six feetbetween the MOAB and the ground when it unleashed its destructive force, which was equivalent to about 11 tons of TNT.

Why didn't the MOAB strike the ground before detonating?

"The main attribute of the MOAB is that it causes overpressure," Dr. Adam Lowther, director of the US Air Force's school of deterrence, told Business Insider reporter Alex Lockie.

"Overpressure" is a term for the sharp spike in air pressure that a bomb causes. That change in pressure moves away from the bomb in a wave in all directions. Any mines, tunnels, or human bodies caught in the blast would be unrecognizable after it passed.

If the MOAB were to detonate on contact with the ground, a lot of that pressure wave would be sent into the dirt, digging out a small crater around the bomb. Dirt is a lot harder to move than air, so the energy wouldn't travel very far before petering out.

Detonating a bomb of that scale on the ground would still do plenty of damage within a certain range, of course, but weapons engineers use physics to expand the reach of such bombs.

When a bomb explodes in the air, the overpressure waves still spread out in all directions, including downward. But the downward-moving waves bounce when they strike the Earth, flying back up through the hot region of thin air that the detonation created just moments earlier.

In hot, thin air, pressure waves move faster. So the bounced waves can catch up with the one created in the initial explosion as it continues to spread outward and sideways above the ground. Those waves combine, forming a "mach stem" that can increase the initial force of the explosion by as much as two times.


That mach stem wildly expands the bomb's kill zone, and creates a larger downward force on the earth that can collapse tunnels and explode mines below the surface without wasting energy carving out huge craters.

If this bomb had exploded somewhere flat (unlike the mountainous Nangarhar province where the bomb was dropped) it would have created a blast radius a mile wide.

MOABs are not the only explosives built to detonate in the air. Nuclear bombs are also built to explode well above their targets, often by a factor of miles, not feet.

It takes a lot of complex science to build machines this deadly.
 
Olisi mielenkiintoista nähdä mihin kuntoon isis hepput ovat ruhjoutuneet tuon paineaallon takia. Siis jos ovat olleet tunnelistaa yms mikä ei ole romahtanut ja kuolleet pelkästään tuohon paineeseen.
 
Olisi mielenkiintoista nähdä mihin kuntoon isis hepput ovat ruhjoutuneet tuon paineaallon takia. Siis jos ovat olleet tunnelistaa yms mikä ei ole romahtanut ja kuolleet pelkästään tuohon paineeseen.
Kuva eräästä ISIS taistelijasta, joka jäi MOABin alle. Nimi olkoon vaikka Mohammed.

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Minäkin ihmettelen, että mitä tuolla "suhteettomalla" tarkoitetaan? Tietääkseni tuon sanan pitäisi päteä vain tilanteessa, jossa siviilit voisivat olla vaarassa. Se, että kaikki kohteessa olevat viholliset kuolevat kerralla on vain osoitus siitä, että ase oli hyvin valittu.

Vihollisen vihollinen on ystävä. Siksi ISIS on liberaalin vasemmistolaisen median uusi sydänystävä taistelussa yhteistä vihollista eli Donald Trumpia (ja republikaaneja) vastaan.

MEDIA TURNS: Liberal Mainstream Outlets Openly Siding With ISIS Over Trump

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/liberal-fakenews-mainstream-media-openly-siding-isis-trump/

 
Afghanistan Cave Complexes 1979–2004: Mountain strongholds of the Mujahideen, Taliban & Al Qaeda

Following the Soviet invasion in 1979, the Mujahideen defenders of Afghanistan developed and reinforced many natural cave systems to use as supply bases and defensive positions. The Taliban and Al Qaeda further strengthened these positions in the 1990s. Following the events of September 11, 2001, these cave systems have once more come to prominence and sites such as Tora Bora and Zhawar Kili have featured in news headlines around the world. This title provides an analysis of these caves and underground systems, and discusses the U.S.-led Coalition's tactical approach to dislodging the enemy from these fortified positions.

https://books.google.se/books?id=ji...ce=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

rullaa alas hiiren kanssa

Jos lukee sitä tekstiä niin ei venäläisten tai amerikkalaisen pommitukset ollut "effektiva"
 
More than 100 Afghan soldiers were killed or wounded in a Taliban attack on an army base on Friday, the defence ministry has confirmed.

Fighting lasted for several hours near the city of Mazar-e Sharif in northern Balkh province.

Insurgents targeted those leaving Friday prayers at the base's mosque and others in a canteen, the army said.

The Taliban said in a statement they had carried out the attack, using suicide bombers to breach defences.

Earlier estimates put the death toll as high as 134, but a statement from the defence ministry on Saturday gave a figure of about 100 killed or injured.

At least 10 Taliban militants were killed in the fighting and one attacker was detained.

The Taliban fighters wore army uniforms and drove through military checkpoints before launching the raid, a military spokesman said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39672357

"If strict inspections had taken place, the attackers would not have passed the first gate," said Jan Agah, from Jowzjan province. One of his nephews serving at the base died and another was injured in the attack.
 
Ten years ago, in November 2006, Al Jazeera English was launched. To mark that anniversary, we've created REWIND, which updates some of the channel's most memorable and award-winning documentaries of the past decade. We find out what happened to some of the characters in those films and ask how the stories have developed in the years since our cameras left.
 
Afghanistan’s top two defence officials have resigned after a Taliban attack killed more than 140 soldiers at an army base, as the US defence secretary, James Mattis, touched down on an unannounced visit to meet American troops and Afghan officials.

“Defence minister Abdullah Habibi and army chief of staff Qadam Shah Shahim stepped down with immediate effect,” the presidential palace in Kabul tweeted.

Protesters gathered outside the palace on Monday after public pressure mounted over the weekend for officials to be held accountable.

The attack on Friday at the largest Afghan army base in the north, possibly the deadliest inflicted by the Taliban on the country’s security forces since 2001, involved up to 12 militants. They breached the base by posing as injured soldiers, in fatigues and military vehicles, wearing leg bandages and arm drips.

After setting off explosives at one checkpoint, they went on a shooting rampage outside the base mosque and inside the mess hall where they gunned down crowds of unarmed soldiers.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/24/afghan-defence-officials-resign-deadly-taliban-attack
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-russia-idUSKBN17Q1H2

"A senior U.S. military official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told reporters that intelligence showed that Russia was providing monetary and weapons support to the Taliban, specifically weapons such as machine guns.
The supply of weapons has accelerated in the past 18 months, the official said."

Aiemmin Iran on aseistanut Talebania.

Rahoitus on yllätys, mutta aseita ne varmaan myy kaikille, jotka eivät välittömästi ole ampumassa heitä.
 
Nyt hyökättiin CIA:n tukikohtaan. Tappiot afgaaneja.

Taliban strikes US base in eastern Afghanistan
By Bill Roggio | April 24, 2017 | [email protected] | @billroggio
The Taliban claimed credit for a suicide attack outside of a US base in eastern Afghanistan that has hosted CIA operatives who are hunting al Qaeda and other jihadists in the region.

A suicide bomber detonated a vehicle packed with explosives at the main gate for Camp Chapman, a base in Khost province that used to be known as Forward Operating Base Chapman. A US military spokesman confirmed to Reuters that the assault took place and it appears casualties are among Afghan forces guarding the perimeter. No US military or civilian personnel are reported to have been killed, and the number of Afghan casualties has not been disclosed.

On Voice of Jihad, the Taliban’s official website, the group claimed that the suicide bombing was followed up by an attack team that was able to enter the base and engage Afghan forces.

“To begin, a brave Mujahid of the martyr team slammed a van filled with explosives into the base, enabling the rest of Mujahideen to get in and engage in a deadly fighting,” the Taliban stated. This version of the operation cannot be verified at this time.

Camp Chapman is located in the heart of Haqqani Network territory. The Haqqani Network is a Taliban subgroup that administers Khost, Paktia, and Paktika provinces, and is closely allied to al Qaeda. Sirajuddin Haqqani, one of two deputy emirs of the Taliban and the group’s military commander, also serves as the operational commander of the Haqqani Network.

Chapman hosts members of the Central Intelligence Agency who are hunting al Qaeda and other allied terror groups operating in Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Agencies. The base has been used to gather intelligence and direct drone strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

The Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan and al Qaeda targeted the CIA at the base on Dec. 30, 2009, when Abu Dujanah al Khurasani, a longtime Internet jihadi whose real name is Humam Khalil Muhammed Abu Mulal al Balawi, detonated a suicide vest on the base. The blast killed seven CIA officials and contractors, and a Jordanian intelligence officer. Khurasani had been recruited by Jordanian intelligence to provide targeting information for the US’s covert air campaign against al Qaeda’s leaders and operations in the tribal areas of Pakistan. He enticed the CIA with promises of being able to produce Ayman al Zawahiri, al Qaeda’s second in command, and then detonated a suicide vest once he was granted access to the base.

The Taliban also struck Chapman in December 2012, when a suicide bomber killed two civilians and an Afghan soldier in a suicide blast at the main gate.

Today’s suicide attack in Khost took place just three days after a Taliban suicide assault team penetrated security at the Afghan Army’s 209th Shaheen Corps base in Balkh province in the north. More than 140 Afghan soldiers were killed in that attack. Afghanistan’s minister of defense and the Army chief of staff resigned, and four Army corps commanders were dismissed today, just as US Secretary of Defense James Mattis is visiting the country.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2017/04/taliban-strikes-us-base-in-eastern-afghan.php
 
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