Konflikti Kiinan merellä

Ei. Heillä toki on armeijan kaltainen kuten kaikilla muillakin mutta kyllä heidän perustuslakinsa kieltää selkokielellä kaikenlaiset sotavoimat sekä minkäänlaisen sotimisen. Siinä ei tietysti ole mitään uutta että joku kansa toimii toisin kuin lakinsa määräisivät. Länsimaat katsovat läpi sormien koska artikla on aivan kuollut mutta sen poistaminen perustuslaista on varsin arka aihe japanilaisille itselleen.

Mutta onneksi "poliisivoimilla" on mm. helikopteritukialuksia joilla "poliisi" voisi vaikkapa yrittää "pidättää" kiistellylle saarelle tupsahtaneita kiinalaisia luvattomasta leiriytymisestä.

Niin, Japanissahan ei tosiaan virallisesti ole asevoimia, on vain 'itsepuolustusjoukot', jotka tosin operoivat 40 miljardin budjetilla :D Nuo tuoreet helikopteritukialukset aika hyvin edustavat tuota uutta näkemystä sotavoimista - ilmeisesti tarvitaan kykyä projisoida itsepuolustusvoimaa kauemmaksi omilta vesiltä.

Mutta Kiina-Japanin saarikonfliktiin, Kiinan uusin salainen ase tosiaan on saarien rakentelu matalikoille, että saadaan omaa maaperää alueelle. Ei muuta ku laivoilla hiekkaa vaan pirusti ni kas, uusi pala pyhää Kiinan emämaata. Ajatuksena tietenkin että valtion aluevedet ulottuvat tietyn matkaa omien saarien rannasta katsoen.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-expands-island-construction-in-disputed-south-china-sea-1424290852
 
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Niin, Japanissahan ei tosiaan virallisesti ole asevoimia, on vain 'itsepuolustusjoukot', jotka tosin operoivat 40 miljardin budjetilla :D Nuo tuoreet helikopteritukialukset aika hyvin edustavat tuota uutta näkemystä sotavoimista - ilmeisesti tarvitaan kykyä projisoida itsepuolustusvoimaa kauemmaksi omilta vesiltä.

Mutta Kiina-Japanin saarikonfliktiin, Kiinan uusin salainen ase tosiaan on saarien rakentelu matalikoille, että saadaan omaa maaperää alueelle. Ei muuta ku laivoilla hiekkaa vaan pirusti ni kas, uusi pala pyhää Kiinan emämaata. Ajatuksena tietenkin että valtion aluevedet ulottuvat tietyn matkaa omien saarien rannasta katsoen.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-expands-island-construction-in-disputed-south-china-sea-1424290852

Kiina kopioi ja soveltaa sodankäyntitapaa jenkeiltä toisesta maailmansodasta :)

http://america-at-war-wwii.weebly.com/island-hopping.html

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Tämä on parempi kartta, sillä se osoittaa suoraan kiinan mielettömät vaatimukset.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ngton-drops-demands-over-South-China-Sea.html
Nooh, Suur-Taiwanhan meinaa napata melkeen samankokosen meripläntin itselleen kuin Kiina.. Hmm. Kukahan sen pidemmän päälle vie;) ?
Tuo kartta on kyllä ensi esimerkkejä siitä mitä Kiina kulmillaan haluaa.. No nuo Taiwanin 'aluevaatimukset' suhteessa Kiinan omiin itseäni huvittivat.
Taitaa muutenkin jokaisen aluevaatimukset mennä yhteen jo löydettyjen öljy&kaasuesiintymien kanssa?:D
 
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Nooh, Suur-Taiwanhan meinaa napata melkeen samankokosen meripläntin itselleen kuin Kiina.. Hmm. Kukahan sen pidemmän päälle vie;) ?
Tuo kartta on kyllä ensi esimerkkejä siitä mitä Kiina kulmillaan haluaa.. No nuo Taiwanin 'aluevaatimukset' suhteessa Kiinan omiin itseäni huvittivat.
Taitaa muutenkin jokaisen aluevaatimukset mennä yhteen jo löydettyjen öljy&kaasuesiintymien kanssa?:D

No, Taiwanhan on Kiinan tasavalta, eli Kiinan kansantasavallan hallitusta edeltäneen tasavaltain-hallituksen rippeet: evakuoitiin Taiwaniin Kiinan sisällissodan tappioiden seurauksena ja aluevaatimukset menevät täten aika käsikädessä manner-Kiinan kanssa.
 
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The United States on Saturday called for an immediate end to China's intensifying reclamation works in the South China Sea and vowed to continue sending military aircraft and ships to the tense region.

US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter told a high-level security conference in Singapore that Beijing was behaving "out of step" with international norms.

China insists it has sovereignty over nearly all of the South China Sea, a major global shipping route believed to be home to oil and gas reserves.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_hits_China_over_sea_reclamation_vows_more_patrols_999.html
 
Tuo Spratly Islands on melkoinen sekametelisoppa, lähinnä hiekkasärkkää ja pikkusaarta mistä kaikki koettavat päästä osille.

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Niin, Japanissahan ei tosiaan virallisesti ole asevoimia, on vain 'itsepuolustusjoukot', jotka tosin operoivat 40 miljardin budjetilla :D Nuo tuoreet helikopteritukialukset aika hyvin edustavat tuota uutta näkemystä sotavoimista - ilmeisesti tarvitaan kykyä projisoida itsepuolustusvoimaa kauemmaksi omilta vesiltä.

Mutta Kiina-Japanin saarikonfliktiin, Kiinan uusin salainen ase tosiaan on saarien rakentelu matalikoille, että saadaan omaa maaperää alueelle. Ei muuta ku laivoilla hiekkaa vaan pirusti ni kas, uusi pala pyhää Kiinan emämaata. Ajatuksena tietenkin että valtion aluevedet ulottuvat tietyn matkaa omien saarien rannasta katsoen.

Kv. lain mukaan keinotekoiset saaret tai rakennelmat eivät oikeuta aluevesiin. Jotain olemassaolevaa hiekkasärkkää voi toki laajentaa saareksi mutta sen merkitys aluevesien kannalta on tietysti mitätön. Laajennusten tavoitteena on rakentaa infrastruktuuria jolla helpotetaan pysyvän miehityksen ylläpitoa.

Noita saaria on laajenneltu aikaisemminkin ja monella maalla on siellä omat lentokentät. Kiina on tullut saarille hiukan myöhässä, eikä ole saanut miehitettyä parhaita paikkoja.
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Eniten saaria miehittää Vietnam. Taiwanilla on vain pari saarta, mutta heillä on isoin ja ainoa joka voisi olla sellaisenaan asuttava, Itu Aba. Filippiineillä on myös isoja saaria mutta heillä on kaikista heikoimmat sotavoimat. Brunei katsoo saarien kuuluvan myös itselleen mutta sillä ei ole pysyvää miehitystä saarilla.

"Iso" on tässä suhteellista. Suurimmatkin saaret ovat pinta-alaltaan alle puoli neliökilometriä. Mitään järkeähän tässäkään hommassa ei varmaan ole, nämä ovat vain uusi Malvinas joista tapella.

Toinen vastaava keissi on Paracel-saaristo, jonka Kiina valtasi Vietnamilta Vietnamin sodan aikana.
 
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Näkisin näistä kartoista, että Kiina haluaa päästä Intian valtamerelle saari saarelta. Samalla Kiina rakentaa pääsyä Intian valtamerelle Burman kautta. Tavoitteena Kiinalla on vallata Afrikka koska Kiina näkee Afrikassa paljon elintilaa. Kiina tekee Afrikassa saman minkä conquistadorit tekivät Amerikassa eli hävittää paikallisen väestön ja ottaa heidän maansa. Kummasti alkaa nämä kaavailemiset konkretisoitua Kiinan tekemissä liikkeissä.

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Kiinalla on kuitenkin tulppana Malakansalmi. Arvaan, että Kiina pyrkinee voimalla tekijäksi Indonesian ja Malesian taloudessa saadakseen tätä kautta otteen tästä tärkeästä salmesta. Tässä on sitten se, että mitä Kiina tekee, jos läntiset suurvallat nostavat Kiinan tien pystyyn.

Tässä on sekin, että Persianlahden maiden öljy loppuu ja samalla katoaa lännen mielenkiinto pitää laivastoa Intian valtamerellä. Että tuleeko Intian valtamerestä takapiha, joka ei enään kiinnosta läntisten suurvaltojen laivastoa. Tosin Intian valtameri on tärkeä kauppareitti, että sitä kautta tulee intressi pitää laivastoa Intian valtamerellä. Toisaalta, jos Jäämeri alkaa sulaa kesäisin niin tätä kautta aukeaa hieman lyhyempi pohjoinen merireitti ja samalla Intian valtameren meriliikenne vähenee ainakin niinä aikoina, kun Jäämeren kautta pääsee Euroopasta Aasiaan. Jonkin verran on puhuttu siitä, että Kiina valtaisi Siperian mikäli Venäjä hajoaa. Siperian valtaamalla Kiina saisi otteen Beringinsalmesta.
 
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Niin, Japanissahan ei tosiaan virallisesti ole asevoimia, on vain 'itsepuolustusjoukot', jotka tosin operoivat 40 miljardin budjetilla :D Nuo tuoreet helikopteritukialukset aika hyvin edustavat tuota uutta näkemystä sotavoimista - ilmeisesti tarvitaan kykyä projisoida itsepuolustusvoimaa kauemmaksi omilta vesiltä.

Mutta Kiina-Japanin saarikonfliktiin, Kiinan uusin salainen ase tosiaan on saarien rakentelu matalikoille, että saadaan omaa maaperää alueelle. Ei muuta ku laivoilla hiekkaa vaan pirusti ni kas, uusi pala pyhää Kiinan emämaata. Ajatuksena tietenkin että valtion aluevedet ulottuvat tietyn matkaa omien saarien rannasta katsoen.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-expands-island-construction-in-disputed-south-china-sea-1424290852

Juhannuksen kunniaksi pilkun viilausta. Myös kiinasta puuttuu virallinen armeija.
Kiinalla ei ole omaa armeijaa ollenkaan.
Kiinassa sijaitsevat joukot ovat kommunistisen puolueen aseellinen siipi Tämän porukan kenraalit ovat kaikki kommnunistipuolueen tärkeitä virkailijoita. Itseasiassa kiinalainen alokas ei vanno valaansa suojellakseen kiinaa ja kansalaisia vaan kommunistipuoluetta.

60 prosenttia kiinan lukio opiskelijoista ei läpäissyt fyysien kunnon tarkastuksia armeijassa.. Yleisimmät syyt heikkoja, lihavia ja yllättäen huono näkökyky. Kiina onkin jo kahteen kertaan laskenut vaatimuksia. Ensin 2008 ja sitten 2011.
Koulutuskauden ohjelmasta 20-30 prosenttia on poliittista propagandaa, Marxia ja leniniä ja ennenkaikkea punalauluja. Propagandan määrä suhteessa muuhun kasvaa entisestään jos huolitaan aliupseeri tai upseeri oppiin. Joten sen on pakko vaikuttaa jotenkin osaamiseen ja kykyyn.
 
Ei ole Kiinan armeija vielä siinä kunnossa, että voisi USA:ta haastaa, varsinkaan meren alla, mutta ajan myötä Kiina hiljalleen rakentaa ja aseistaa noita saaria, kunnes saavutetaan taso, ettei kukaan, edes USA, halua niistä tapella ja näin alue siirtyy Kiinalle, pala palalta.
 
Tavoitteena Kiinalla on vallata Afrikka koska Kiina näkee Afrikassa paljon elintilaa. Kiina tekee Afrikassa saman minkä conquistadorit tekivät Amerikassa eli hävittää paikallisen väestön ja ottaa heidän maansa.

Tarkista nyt vielä onko kyse Afrikassa sittenkin luonnonvarojen hyödyntämisestä, infraan mukaan menemisestä, siis ennen kaikkea kaupallisesta ja taloudellisesta vaikutusvallasta.

Conquistadoreista muuten, ei tainnut kansanmurha olla suoranaisena tavoitteena. Tappavien kulkutautien leviäminen ei ollut tietoista biologista sodankäyntiä.
 
Tämä on parempi kartta, sillä se osoittaa suoraan kiinan mielettömät vaatimukset.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ngton-drops-demands-over-South-China-Sea.html

On melkoinen soppa. Toisessa kokkijoukkueessa Japani, Etelä-Korea, Taiwan, Filippiinit, Indonesia, Malesia, Vietnam. Siinä on Kiinallekin kaulimista ja kääntämistä; toisaalta tuota katsoessa jotenkin ymmärtää että ahistaa ja kiukuttaa. Ei ihme että kärjistyneeksi hässäkäksi menee naapuruudet tuolla päin.
 
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The Philippines Monday began separate but simultaneous naval exercises with the United States and Japan, amid shared and growing concern at Chinese island-building in the disputed South China Sea.

Manila has been holding the naval drills with its longtime ally Washington since 1995. But the exercise with Tokyo, a World War II foe, is only its second ever after one earlier this year.

This week's Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT) drill with Washington will include a P-3 Orion aircraft, of the type used by the US to monitor the South China Sea.

China claims almost the entire Sea despite competing claims from the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam, and has been taking strong action including reclamation to assert sovereignty.

"CARAT remains a practical way to address shared maritime security priorities, enhance our capabilities, and improve inter-operability between our forces," the US exercise commander, Rear Admiral William Merz, said at the opening ceremony in Puerto Princesa city on the southwestern Philippine island of Palawan.

Rear Admiral Leopoldo Alano, commander of the Philippine Fleet, described the drill as a great opportunity "to gain valuable experience and increase our inter-operability."

The drills will also feature for the first time the littoral combat ship USS Fort Worth, and involve the rescue and salvage ship USNS Safeguard.

While it does not take sides in the dispute, the US has in recent weeks intensified its criticism of China's reclamation work, which has created new islands including airstrips on reefs and shoals also claimed by its neighbours.

The US says the activities could pose a threat to freedom of navigation.

China said last week its land reclamation in the disputed Spratly islands would finish soon but be followed by "facility construction".

The Philippines has asked a United Nations tribunal to reject China's claims to most of the Sea, a move angrily rejected by Beijing which says the world body has no authority in the matter.

This week's naval exercise will be held both on Palawan, the closest land mass to the disputed reefs and waters, and in the Sulu Sea to the east of the island.

The Filipino forces in the drills, including the US-acquired frigates BRP Ramon Alcaraz and BRP Gregorio del Pilar, also regularly patrol the South China Sea.

The exercise will focus on combined maritime operations, mobile dive and salvage training, coastal riverine operations and maritime patrol and reconnaissance along with seminars ashore, the US Navy said.

Japan, which has its own maritime dispute with China in the East China Sea, has also expressed concern at Beijing's reclamation further south.

On Monday it began three days of drills with the Philippine Navy involving a Japanese P-3C patrol aircraft.

The drills, which will also include a Philippine Navy aircraft, will focus on joint search and rescue operations on the high seas, the Philippine Navy said.

They will take place in international airspace and outside Philippine territorial waters, it said in a statement.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_China_hold_frank_talks_on_hacking_maritime_row_999.html
 
Japan's military may join US forces on patrol in the South China Sea, the nation's top uniformed officer said in an interview published Thursday, as Tokyo seeks a greater security role.

China's recent moves to build artificial islands have created "very serious potential concerns" for Japan, Katsutoshi Kawano, chief of the Joint Staff of the Japan Self-Defence Forces (SDF), said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal.

"We don't have any plans to conduct surveillance in the South China Sea currently but depending on the situation, I think there is a chance we could consider doing so," the admiral was quoted as saying.

Kawano did not specify what actions by China might trigger the Japanese to consider starting patrols, the journal reported, and any activity by Japan's military beyond its borders would likely raise concerns at home.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has pushed for what he calls a normalisation of the officially pacifist nation's military posture.

But because he was unable to muster public support to amend the pacifist constitution imposed by the United States after World War II, Abe opted instead to re-interpret it.

He wants to loosen restrictions that have bound the SDF to a narrowly defensive role for decades and proposed legislation that would allow the military greater scope to act.

This week Japan and the Philippines flew patrol planes near disputed South China Sea waters.

Beijing is reclaiming land to build islands in the South China Sea, with facilities it says will be used for both civilian and military purposes.

The sea is a busy shipping lane, where the United States says Beijing has built 2,000 acres (800 hectares) of artificial islands. China claims almost all the South China Sea.

Parts of the sea are also claimed by the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei.

Kawano said he hoped to see more military cooperation with South Korea, an area that has suffered because of disagreements between Tokyo and Seoul over wartime history, the journal said.

The two neighbours have exchanged warmer words in the past few days as they marked 50 years of ties.

"Once the relations are normalised on political levels, I believe movements will emerge on our (military) levels," Kawano was quoted as saying.

He also said Japan would also like to conduct more joint exercises with Australia and India.

Abe has long criticised what he describes as China's attempts to change the status quo by force, mindful of Japan's own territorial dispute with Beijing over islands in the East China Sea that are the destination for Chinese boats and planes.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Japan_may_consider_South_China_Sea_patrols_military_999.html
 
China is pressing ahead with the construction of artificial islands on at least two reefs also claimed by the Philippines in an increasingly tense territorial dispute, Filipino officials said, despite Beijing’s pronouncement that some work would end soon.

Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon of Kalayaan Islands, which are under Philippine control, said on Friday he saw Chinese construction in full swing with many dredgers and huge cranes visible when he flew last week near Subi Reef.

It’s one of at least seven reefs and atolls in the South China Sea where the US and the Philippines have expressed concern China’s island-building could be used to base military planes and navy ships to intimidate other claimants, reinforce China’s claim over virtually the entire area and threaten freedom of navigation in one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...icial-islands-on-reefs-claimed-by-philippines
 
Beijing has nearly completed building a 3,000-metre (9,800-foot) airstrip on a reef in disputed waters in the South China Sea, where tensions are mounting with its neighbours, a US think-tank said.

A satellite picture taken on Sunday showed that China was paving and marking the runway on Fiery Cross Reef and an apron and taxiway have been added, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) said on its website.

Beijing's project to build artificial islands and facilities on various reefs and outcrops in the Spratly islands only became publicly known in recent months but construction has since been rapid, raising tensions with both its neighbours and Washington.

The South China Sea is home to strategically vital shipping lanes and is believed to be rich in oil and gas.

Washington is concerned China's efforts carry a military dimension that could undermine America's naval and economic power in the Pacific, and has weighed sending warships and surveillance aircraft within 12 nautical miles -- the normal territorial zone around natural land -- of the new artificial islands.

A lake in the middle of Fiery Cross Reef has been filled in and it has a partially-developed port with nine temporary loading piers, CSIS said.

Personnel could be seen walking around and two helipads, up to 10 satellite communications antennas and one possible radar tower were also visible, it added.

Washington wants Beijing to halt construction and militarisation, which "the Chinese show no indication of willingness to do", Bonnie Glaser of CSIS said.

She anticipated a short-term lull in construction as summer is typhoon season in the South China Sea while China's President Xi Jinping is due to visit the US in September and "the Chinese are attaching priority to having a successful summit".

But she expected activity would pick up again later.

The runway will be long enough for the People's Liberation Army to land any of its aircraft on the island, analysts say.

Arthur Ding, an expert on China's military at Taiwan's National Chengchi University, said the airstrip would "definitely improve or enhance somewhat China's military capability in the South China Sea", including being able to deploy jet fighters to the island, although they would need "sophisticated logistical" support.

Other neighbouring countries have also built artificial islands in the area, he pointed out. But the speed and scale of China's works were much faster, he told AFP, and whatever it does "definitely will have a serious repercussion on the South China Sea and the regional order".

- 'Occupied islands' -

Fiery Cross Reef, once little more than coral, is now 2.74 square kilometres (1.06 square miles) in size, Washington-based CSIS said. China has reclaimed land on seven different reefs totalling an estimated 12.8 square kilometres, it added.

At one of the sites, South Johnson Reef, CSIS said Beijing has added a small port with two loading stations, two helipads on the reef and up to three satellite communications antennas.

It also had a "large multi-level military facility" with two possible radar towers being built, along with up to six security and surveillance towers, and four possible weapons installations.

Beijing claims almost the whole of the South China Sea, including areas close to the coasts of other littoral states, locking it into disputes with several neighbours, particularly the Philippines and Vietnam.

It also has a long-running row with Japan over islands in the East China Sea.

China's foreign ministry said this week that some of the land reclamation works in the Spratlys had been recently finished on schedule, and facilities would be built mainly for civilian purposes, but "necessary military defence requirements will also be fulfilled".

Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said at a regular briefing on Thursday that she was "not aware" of details of the latest CSIS report.

In a commentary Thursday China's official Xinhua news agency said that Beijing remained committed to dialogue and the peaceful settlement of disputes, stressing that it had refrained from forcefully taking back "occupied islands".

But it warned: "Expecting China to sit idly by as other countries rush to occupy South China Sea islands is unrealistic and unthinkable."
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Bei...runway_nearly_complete_US_think-tank_999.html

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http://www.newsweek.com/china-close-completion-10000-foot-runway-disputed-south-china-sea-349499
 
The United States and Australia kicked off a massive joint biennial military exercise on Sunday, with Japan taking part for the first time as tensions with China over territorial rows loom over the drills.

The two-week "Talisman Sabre" exercise in the Northern Territory and Queensland state involves 30,000 personnel from the US and Australia practising operations at sea, in the air and on land.

Some 40 personnel from Japan's army -- the Ground Self-Defense Force (JGSDF) -- will join the American contingent, while more than 500 troops from New Zealand are also involved in the exercise, which concludes on July 21
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Japan_joins_US-Australia_war_games_amid_China_tensions_999.html
 
China is determined and able to continue to safeguard its justified rights and interests of the Nansha Islands by legitimate means, Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Saturday.

"On the Nansha Islands issues, we have resolute determination and enough capabilities. We will continue to take reasonable and legitimate approaches to safeguard our justified rights and interests of the Nansha Islands. We will work with the ASEAN countries to ensure peace and stability of the Nansha Islands," Wang said when asked to comment on the Nansha Islands issue.

Wang delivered a speech at the luncheon of the Fourth World Peace Forum which took place at prestigious Tsinghua University on Saturday. Wang said China will work with other countries to safeguard the freedom of navigation and overflight enjoyed by all countries in accordance with international law in the South China Sea.

On China's recent land reclamation project on some stationed islands and reefs of the Nansha Islands, Wang said the major aim is to improve the working and living conditions of the people on the islands and reefs.

As a big power, China also offered some public goods to the international community by put in place those facilities on the islands and reefs for civilian use, Wang said. ' "China's necessary construction on its own islands and reefs are totally different in nature from some countries' seizure of Chinese islands and building facilities there," Wang said.

Wang stressed China's sovereignty over the Nansha Islands is legally supported and based on facts, saying China fell victim to some countries' seizure and occupation of its islands and reefs since the exploration of oil in the South China Sea back to 1960s.

Wang said the Chinese government has always dealt with the Nansha Islands issue by peaceful means, citing the fact that China and ASEAN countries signed the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea.

"The Chinese government's position on the Nansha Islands is consistent. We will not change it," Wang said. "China's sovereignty claim over the Nansha Islands has neither expanded nor dwindled," Wang said, calling on some countries to end the seizure and occupation of China's islands and reefs.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/C...tified_rights_over_Nansha_Islands_FM_999.html
 
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