Hanski
Ylipäällikkö
Ehkä tässä pitäisi paremminkin olla, että ruotsalainen Gripen-fanpojke epäilee...
Ukrainan konflikti/sota
teknohippi
Ylipäällikkö
Hyvä oletus on että ensin numeroita kaunisteltiin ja kun jälleen kerran virtuaalitodellisuuden eranto kasvoi liikaa niin laitettiin sitten koko luukku kiinni. Veikkaisin että samat luvut saisi kerättyä rostatin muista tilastoista, esim. maan sisäiset öljykuljetukset tms. mutta koska niitä ei ole seurattu niin historiaa ei saa mätsättyä tuotannon lukuihin.
Tähän mennessä pimittäminen on tarkoittanut sitä että ryssällä menee asian suhteen todella huonosti.
Hanski
Ylipäällikkö
Salaiseksi julistaminen on taas yksi esimerkki siitä, että Ukrainan iskut ovat osuneet arkaan paikkaan ja ne ovat olleet tehokkaita!
ak.tied
Greatest Leader
Ruotsi lähettämässä/lähettänyt 1-2 (lähteestä riippuen määrä) Saab 340 Arguksia Ukrainalle.
Twitter oli pakko heivata jossain vaiheessa viime vuonna, kun feedissä alkoi olla pelkkää ölinää. Parempi pysytellä muilla kanavilla.
Putinxyjlo
Eversti
Saab 340 AEW&C - Wikipedia
Early warning koneita: näkevät kauas ja osaavat maalittaa meri ja ilma maaleja ja kykenevät myös paikallistamaan tutkaheijasteita. Erittäin erittäin käyttökelpoinen kampe ja olisi suonut näitä taivaalle jo vuosia aiemmin, olisi ehkä jäänyt useampi terroriohjus/shaded -isku torsoksi.
Ei ole elso kone vaan vertautuu zyzzien A-50 tai USAn AWACS koneisiin, ominaisuudet varmaan vähän kevyemmät, tai sitten ei, onhan Ruotsi oikein oikein kyvykäs signaalitiedustelussa= tutkissa ja muissa signaaleissa.
ak.tied
Greatest Leader
Aiemmassa viestissäni joskus päivällä kiireessä oikasin kirjoittamalla EW, tarkoitin sillä Early Warning en Electronic Warfare.Saab 340 AEW&C - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Early warning koneita: näkevät kauas ja osaavat maalittaa meri ja ilma maaleja ja kykenevät myös paikallistamaan tutkaheijasteita. Erittäin erittäin käyttökelpoinen kampe ja olisi suonut näitä taivaalle jo vuosia aiemmin, olisi ehkä jäänyt useampi terroriohjus/shaded -isku torsoksi.
Ei ole elso kone vaan vertautuu zyzzien A-50 tai USAn AWACS koneisiin, ominaisuudet varmaan vähän kevyemmät, tai sitten ei, onhan Ruotsi oikein oikein kyvykäs signaalitiedustelussa= tutkissa ja muissa signaaleissa.
ddude
Majuri
Kyllä tuolla kansan riveissä jo vähän kuplii mutta vielä ei nousta barrikaadeille. Vielä syytetään kameralle Saksaa joka on asettanut pakotteita...
Putinxyjlo
Eversti
Juu, lainasin väärää viestiä, tämä wikipedialla päteminen oli tarkoitettu sille, jonka viestiin kommentoit, sori, boomerina en vaan osaa
ak.tied
Greatest Leader
@Gyllis1 tietää kyllä lentopelit harvinaisen hyvin. Tajusin sun kommentista, että saatoin johtaa harhaan lyhennykselläni. Tosin irtisanoudun siitä, että kaiken maailman C4ISR jargonit aiheuttaa yksinkertaistenkin termien/lyhenteiden väärinymmärryksiä.Juu, lainasin väärää viestiä, tämä wikipedialla päteminen oli tarkoitettu sille, jonka viestiin kommentoit, sori, boomerina en vaan osaa
Vääpeli
Greatest Leader
Sit tulee drone, atgm yms kylkeen ja taas yksi vaunu paskana....
Vähän aiheeseen liittyen, mielenkiintoinen pumaska Ukrainassakin käytössä olevasta Excalibur ohjelmointilaitteesta (muutamalla videolla vilahtanut). Jos olen oikein ymmärtänyt, niin järjestelmä mahdollistaisi GPS avaimien päivityksen ilmateitse (Black key hyväksytty vehjes) mutta kuten kirjoitit, ainakin julkisuudessa olleiden tietojen mukaan Ukraina joutuu hyväksyttämään kaikki kohteet jenkeillä.
Edit. Jahas, liitetty PDF hävisi matkalle. Sama linkkinä:
5900GLX
Alikersantti
Muutama naurureaktio tässä, miksihän?
Ihan validia kamaa naapuri pukkaa edelleen ulos. Varsinkin sotateknologian osalta! Onhan noista ihan uutisissakin ollut, HSMS Gotland pääsi 2005 War gamesissa upottamaan paatin nimeltä USS Ronald Reagan. Gripen pesi muita Red Flagissa 2006 (https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2021/01/07/gripen/)Mitä enemmän jenkit (ja Saksa) jarruttelee Ukrainan tuen suhteen, että mitä saa tehdä, ja millä saa mihinkin ampua, nousee itselläni väistämättä pieni epäilys heidän tavoitteestaan tehdä rahaa omalla sotateollisuudellaan, pitkittämällä siten ukrainalaisten kärsimystä ja raakaa taistelua. Ihmeellistä vätystelyä ja päätöksenteon kyvyttömyyttä välillä, ensin tukipakettisekoilut ja nyt tämä..
"Päätöksiä, päätöksiä. Hyviä tai huonoja, mutta päätöksiä".
Viimeksi muokattu:
J0h1F
Ylipäällikkö
Kyseessähän oli kuitenkin se, että liittolaiset kehottivat Ruotsia olemaan antamatta niitä koneita, ei että Ruotsi olisi itse päättänyt viivyttää. Ruotsin oma aikatauluhan oli antaa ne ennen juhannusta.
Ukrainan Ruotsin-suurlähettiläs ilmaisi kuitenkin, että Ukraina haluaa ja tarvitsee Gripeneitä silti.
Brand i oljedepå på Krimhalvön
SvD:s liverapport om Rysslands invasion av Ukraina – öppen för alla läsare. Här hittar du vår direktbevakning av senaste nytt i alla ämnen.
www.svd.se
Allies asked Sweden to pause plans on Gripens for Ukraine to focus on F-16s, minister says
"We have been urged by the other countries in the coalition to wait with the Gripen system," Defense Minister Pal Jonson told TT in Brussels, adding: "This has to do with the fact that the focus is now on introducing the F-16 system."
Ukraine insists it needs Gripen fighter jets – ambassador
Ukraine still wants to receive Gripen fighter jets, Andrii Plakhotniuk, the Ukrainian Ambassador to Stockholm, said after Sweden’s defence minister mentioned that some countries have requested that plans to supply these combat aircraft be put on hold.
www.pravda.com.ua
Eli käytännössä joku maista, jolla on vaikutusvaltaa Gripeniin asejärjestelmänä, on sanonut, että Ruotsi ei saa antaa niitä vielä - käytännössä joko siis USA tai Saksa (Meteorin osalta), joista myös vientilisenssit riippuvat. Muiden maiden pyyntöjä Ruotsi ei olisi kuunnellut, ja Britannialla ei ollut mitään intressiä viivyttää.
VanhaPate
Respected Leader
Operational information as of 11:00 p.m. 29/05/2024 regarding the Russian invasion
To date, a total of 102 combat clashes have taken place.
The invaders are trying to use the advantage in manpower and air support. Since the beginning of the day, the Russian aggressors have carried out four missile attacks using four missiles and 43 airstrikes by 69 anti-aircraft missiles on the territory of Ukraine, using 364 kamikaze drones. We carried out 2,683 shellings on the positions of our troops and populated areas using various types of weapons. The situation in the Kupyan and Pokrovsky directions remains the hottest since the beginning of the current day.
Our soldiers along the entire length of the battle line and in the rear are exhausting the enemy's offensive potential with fire.
At that time, the Air Force and missile forces and artillery struck 14 areas of concentration of the occupiers' manpower.
In the Kharkiv direction, there were seven combat clashes with the Russian invaders. Four attacks were repelled in the areas of the village of Liptsi and the city of Vovchansk. In the latter, hostilities continue, and the enemy's attack near the village of Staritsa continues. The situation is under control. 79 people were lost to the invaders during the current day in this direction. Ukrainian soldiers destroyed an artillery system, 12 unmanned aerial vehicles, 10 vehicles and a unit of special equipment. In addition, three ammunition warehouses and eight enemy personnel shelters were hit today.
In the Kupyan direction, the enemy tried 13 times to dislodge our units from their positions. Fighting took place in the areas of Sinkivka, Petropavlivka, Novoehorivka, Druzhelyubivka, Stepova Novoselivka, Andriivka and Nevske settlements. Loss of positions is not allowed. Currently, fighting continues in four locations near Petropavlivka, Stepova Novoselivka, Druzhelyubivka, and Nevsky.
In the Lyman direction, five enemy attempts to advance were repulsed in the areas of the villages of Terna, Torske, and in the Serebryan forest. Fighting continues in the Terni district. The enemy has no success. The situation is under control.
In the Pokrovsky direction, during the day, the Russian occupiers continued their attempts to penetrate our defenses from the area of the Ocheretine settlement - nine attacks were repulsed, one more is in progress. There are also battles near Sokol, Nevelskyi and Novoselivka Persha. In total, 23 combat clashes took place in the direction. Our defenders are taking active measures to stabilize the situation.
In the rest of the directions, the situation has not undergone significant changes.
Join the Ukrainian defenders!
Together we are invincible!
Glory to Ukraine!
t.me
To date, a total of 102 combat clashes have taken place.
The invaders are trying to use the advantage in manpower and air support. Since the beginning of the day, the Russian aggressors have carried out four missile attacks using four missiles and 43 airstrikes by 69 anti-aircraft missiles on the territory of Ukraine, using 364 kamikaze drones. We carried out 2,683 shellings on the positions of our troops and populated areas using various types of weapons. The situation in the Kupyan and Pokrovsky directions remains the hottest since the beginning of the current day.
Our soldiers along the entire length of the battle line and in the rear are exhausting the enemy's offensive potential with fire.
At that time, the Air Force and missile forces and artillery struck 14 areas of concentration of the occupiers' manpower.
In the Kharkiv direction, there were seven combat clashes with the Russian invaders. Four attacks were repelled in the areas of the village of Liptsi and the city of Vovchansk. In the latter, hostilities continue, and the enemy's attack near the village of Staritsa continues. The situation is under control. 79 people were lost to the invaders during the current day in this direction. Ukrainian soldiers destroyed an artillery system, 12 unmanned aerial vehicles, 10 vehicles and a unit of special equipment. In addition, three ammunition warehouses and eight enemy personnel shelters were hit today.
In the Kupyan direction, the enemy tried 13 times to dislodge our units from their positions. Fighting took place in the areas of Sinkivka, Petropavlivka, Novoehorivka, Druzhelyubivka, Stepova Novoselivka, Andriivka and Nevske settlements. Loss of positions is not allowed. Currently, fighting continues in four locations near Petropavlivka, Stepova Novoselivka, Druzhelyubivka, and Nevsky.
In the Lyman direction, five enemy attempts to advance were repulsed in the areas of the villages of Terna, Torske, and in the Serebryan forest. Fighting continues in the Terni district. The enemy has no success. The situation is under control.
In the Pokrovsky direction, during the day, the Russian occupiers continued their attempts to penetrate our defenses from the area of the Ocheretine settlement - nine attacks were repulsed, one more is in progress. There are also battles near Sokol, Nevelskyi and Novoselivka Persha. In total, 23 combat clashes took place in the direction. Our defenders are taking active measures to stabilize the situation.
In the rest of the directions, the situation has not undergone significant changes.
Join the Ukrainian defenders!
Together we are invincible!
Glory to Ukraine!
Генеральний штаб ЗСУ
Оперативна інформація станом на 23.00 29.05.2024 щодо російського вторгнення На даний час загалом відбулося 102 бойових зіткнення. Окупанти намагаються використати перевагу в живій силі та авіапідтримку. З початку доби російські загарбники завдали по території України чотири ракетних із...
t.me
Colby jakanut NY timesin pohdintaa mahdollisesta jenkkien luvasta iskeä ryssälään (olkaat mitä mieltä vaan NY timesistä). Tuossa arvellaan, että lupa olisi lopulta tulossa mutta hyvinkin rajattuna ja sitä ei koskaan julkisesti ainakaan Bidenin suulla lausuttaisi ääneen.
NYT: President Biden is edging toward what may prove to be one of his most consequential decisions in the Ukraine war: whether to reverse his ban on shooting American weapons into Russian territory.
the White House has begun a formal — and apparently rapid — reassessment of whether to take the risk.
[...]
So far Mr. Biden himself has remained silent, as he often does when faced with a major policy decision that is the subject of complex debate within the White House. His national security aides are running what one called “a very brisk process” to make a formal recommendation to the president, knowing that momentum in the war has been shifting to Russia.
Some of his advisers — refusing to speak on the record about a debate inside the White House — say they believe a reversal of his position is inevitable. But if the president does change his view, it will most likely come with severe restrictions on how the Ukrainians could use American-provided arms, limiting them to military targets, just inside Russia’s borders, that are involved in attacks on Ukraine.
Mr. Biden would likely retain the ban on using U.S. weapons to strike deep inside Russian territory, or at critical infrastructure. On that point he has some allied support: Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany has refused to provide Ukraine with the German “Taurus” long-range missile system, for fear it could reach Moscow.
Mr. Biden does not have much time. In two weeks, he begins a month of intensive face-to-face meetings with his key allies, first at the 80th anniversary of D-Day, then at a meeting of the G7 nations and finally at a celebration, in Washington, of the creation of NATO 75 years ago. At all of these appearances, projecting unity will be critical.
But if Mr. Biden reverses course, officials concede he most likely will never announce it: Instead, American artillery shells and missiles will just start landing on Russian military targets.
[...]
But there remains considerable unease inside the Biden administration over the possibility of nuclear escalation. One senior administration official said that Washington had conveyed concern to Mr. Zelensky’s government about strikes against nuclear early-warning radar systems inside Russia in recent weeks.
To conduct the attacks, the Ukrainians used locally produced drones and missiles. But American officials voiced concerns that Moscow could misperceive Western intentions, and told Ukraine they consider the maintenance of early-warning systems to be critical to nuclear stability.
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NYT: President Biden is edging toward what may prove to be one of his most consequential decisions in the Ukraine war: whether to reverse his ban on shooting American weapons into Russian territory.
the White House has begun a formal — and apparently rapid — reassessment of whether to take the risk.
[...]
So far Mr. Biden himself has remained silent, as he often does when faced with a major policy decision that is the subject of complex debate within the White House. His national security aides are running what one called “a very brisk process” to make a formal recommendation to the president, knowing that momentum in the war has been shifting to Russia.
Some of his advisers — refusing to speak on the record about a debate inside the White House — say they believe a reversal of his position is inevitable. But if the president does change his view, it will most likely come with severe restrictions on how the Ukrainians could use American-provided arms, limiting them to military targets, just inside Russia’s borders, that are involved in attacks on Ukraine.
Mr. Biden would likely retain the ban on using U.S. weapons to strike deep inside Russian territory, or at critical infrastructure. On that point he has some allied support: Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany has refused to provide Ukraine with the German “Taurus” long-range missile system, for fear it could reach Moscow.
Mr. Biden does not have much time. In two weeks, he begins a month of intensive face-to-face meetings with his key allies, first at the 80th anniversary of D-Day, then at a meeting of the G7 nations and finally at a celebration, in Washington, of the creation of NATO 75 years ago. At all of these appearances, projecting unity will be critical.
But if Mr. Biden reverses course, officials concede he most likely will never announce it: Instead, American artillery shells and missiles will just start landing on Russian military targets.
[...]
But there remains considerable unease inside the Biden administration over the possibility of nuclear escalation. One senior administration official said that Washington had conveyed concern to Mr. Zelensky’s government about strikes against nuclear early-warning radar systems inside Russia in recent weeks.
To conduct the attacks, the Ukrainians used locally produced drones and missiles. But American officials voiced concerns that Moscow could misperceive Western intentions, and told Ukraine they consider the maintenance of early-warning systems to be critical to nuclear stability.
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