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Ukrainan konflikti/sota
apumekaanikko
Majuri
Virheellinen dikotomia kuitataan. Ponomarenko tallusteli tässä maaperälle, joka on hänelle vieras.
Amerikkalainen veteraaniprofessori on sitä mieltä, että Ukraina ja länsi eivät voi voittaa, koska ”Russia Stronk!”.
Lännen aseapu kuulemma vaan pitkittää turhaan konfliktia, ja aiheutta vaan lisää kärsimystä.
Lisäksi samainen, erinäisissä piireissä (mm. Heikki Patomäki) arvostettu Putinisti vihjailee, kuinka kaikki alunperin oli Naton aiheuttaman imperialismin syytä, ja siksi ryssän oli pakko toimia 24.2.2022:
Lännen aseapu kuulemma vaan pitkittää turhaan konfliktia, ja aiheutta vaan lisää kärsimystä.
Lisäksi samainen, erinäisissä piireissä (mm. Heikki Patomäki) arvostettu Putinisti vihjailee, kuinka kaikki alunperin oli Naton aiheuttaman imperialismin syytä, ja siksi ryssän oli pakko toimia 24.2.2022:
Viimeksi muokattu:
apumekaanikko
Majuri
Tästä olen samaa mieltä. Puhun ehkä mieluummin arvojen ja ajatusten ujuttamisesta, mutta lopputulos voi tietysti olla sama kuin pakottamisella.
apumekaanikko
Majuri
Toki. Ei maksavalle potilaalle tietenkään voi tehdä armomurhaa. Muitapa ei sama etiikka suojelekaan!
Newly released doctor’s letters show Adolf Hitler’s fear of illness
Carl Otto von Eicken, an ear, nose and throat specialist, treated Nazi dictator for 10 years from 1935www.theguardian.com
Ironinen artikkeli Aatun paranoiasta, verrattuna Putlerin oloon. Tuo viimeinen lause, kun neuvostoliiton syyttäjät kysyivät sodan loputtua lääkäriltä, miksi se ei tehnyt mitään, hän vastasi, "Olin hänen lääkäri, en hänen murhaaja," varmaan tulee kuulumaan monen muun suusta.
Omasta mielestäni pyrkii realistiseen tilannekuvaan. Mielestäni seuraamisen arvoinen, parempaakaan en tällä hetkellä tiedä näistä "reaaliaikaisista". Huteja tulee sitä enemmän mitä reaaliaikaisemmin yrittää twiittailla.
Tämä uutinen ollut muissakin lähteissä
Mersheimer, University Of Chicagon Markku Kangaspuro, on kaiketi vaittanyt syytoksia Venajan sotariskoksista aiheettomaksi panetteleuksi, sita se tekee kun liikaa rakastuu tutkimuskohteeseensa.....
Pahat pahat ukrainalaiset, eivat suostu kiltisti kavelemaan kaasukammioihin.....
Tällainen hyvin outo juttu ollut parissakin paikassa. Alla oleva on kanadanukrainalaiselta.
Almost all #Russian roadblocks in #Melitopol have been abandoned by Russian troops. A very sudden and strange development. Taken together with the upcoming #Russian offensive on #Zaporizhzhia and #Kryvyi #Rih from #Vasylivka, something's up.
Toinen lähde (jota en nyt muista) mietti onko tämä ja/tai Blahodatnen vetäytyminen sitä, että siirretään joukkoja Donbassin suuntaan vai Zaporizzian hyökkäykseen.
Almost all #Russian roadblocks in #Melitopol have been abandoned by Russian troops. A very sudden and strange development. Taken together with the upcoming #Russian offensive on #Zaporizhzhia and #Kryvyi #Rih from #Vasylivka, something's up.
Toinen lähde (jota en nyt muista) mietti onko tämä ja/tai Blahodatnen vetäytyminen sitä, että siirretään joukkoja Donbassin suuntaan vai Zaporizzian hyökkäykseen.
Kai se on sitten uskottava, vaikkei englanniksi googlella löytynytkään, kun parikin eri luotettavahkoa twitterlähdettä näin väittää - eli lähteet ilmeisesti ukrainankielisiä tuolle kypäräjutulle:
Kun ei tule kypäriä saksasta, niin jospa Das Booteja sitten:
nitter.hu
Noinkohan itäukrainalaiset uskoisivat, että Ukraina pommittaa omia siviilejään, ja äänestäisivät siinä hypoteettisessa joidenkin tahojen lobbaamassa riippumattomien tarkkailijoiden valvomassa kansanäänestyksessä Venäjään liittämisen puolesta. Viimeisimpiä kaupunkituhoja Itä-Ukrainasta:
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1533920021637959680
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1533854019545882625
Ranskalaisten Caesarit toiminnassa - luultavasti vain demoa tai harjoittelua, kun toimittaja paikalla:
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1533891112880029696
Edit: ja siis tätä seuraavassa toisessa klipissä väitetään, että näillä on jo tuhottu vähintään 80 kpl ryssän tykkejä. Tiedä sitten, aika hitaasti noita kertyy ukrainalaisten päivittäin ilmoittamaan listaan.
Edit 2: myöhemmin tuli lisätietoa, että ilmeisesti saksalaisten lupaamia kypäriä oli Ukrainaan kuitenkin tullut, ja Zelenskyn neuvonantajalla oli asiasta luultavasti väärää tietoa. Visegrad24 poisti tuon tweettinsä kypäristä, eli ylimmän tässä postauksessa.
Kun ei tule kypäriä saksasta, niin jospa Das Booteja sitten:
The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)
Stefanchuk also met German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht and discussed the possible supplies of German submarines to Ukraine. Scholz has been repeatedly criticized for blocking and delaying weapons supplies to Ukraine.
nitter.hu
Noinkohan itäukrainalaiset uskoisivat, että Ukraina pommittaa omia siviilejään, ja äänestäisivät siinä hypoteettisessa joidenkin tahojen lobbaamassa riippumattomien tarkkailijoiden valvomassa kansanäänestyksessä Venäjään liittämisen puolesta. Viimeisimpiä kaupunkituhoja Itä-Ukrainasta:
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1533920021637959680
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1533854019545882625
Ranskalaisten Caesarit toiminnassa - luultavasti vain demoa tai harjoittelua, kun toimittaja paikalla:
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1533891112880029696
Edit: ja siis tätä seuraavassa toisessa klipissä väitetään, että näillä on jo tuhottu vähintään 80 kpl ryssän tykkejä. Tiedä sitten, aika hitaasti noita kertyy ukrainalaisten päivittäin ilmoittamaan listaan.
Edit 2: myöhemmin tuli lisätietoa, että ilmeisesti saksalaisten lupaamia kypäriä oli Ukrainaan kuitenkin tullut, ja Zelenskyn neuvonantajalla oli asiasta luultavasti väärää tietoa. Visegrad24 poisti tuon tweettinsä kypäristä, eli ylimmän tässä postauksessa.
Viimeksi muokattu:
Jatketaan huhujen parissa. Tämä on hyvin epäluotettavaa (lähteenä ilmeisesti ryssäkanavat alunperin).
Mutta jollain toisella lähteellä oli maininta, että ao. alueilla koulutetaan reservejä. Määristä ei ollut puhetta.
Mielenkiintoista nähdä millaisella kalustolla nuo aikanaan tulevat ulos.
Mutta jollain toisella lähteellä oli maininta, että ao. alueilla koulutetaan reservejä. Määristä ei ollut puhetta.
Mielenkiintoista nähdä millaisella kalustolla nuo aikanaan tulevat ulos.
tviiru
Kapteeni
Lypsävää lehmää ei pidä tappaa.
Kyllä niitä riippumattomia tarkkailiota löytyy Valko-Venäjältä, venäjältä, muista ystävällismielisistä maista ja eiköhän anus putkonen ja päcmänni tule myös tarkkailijoiksi ilomielin.Kai se on sitten uskottava, vaikkei englanniksi googlella löytynytkään, kun parikin eri luotettavahkoa twitterlähdettä näin väittää - eli lähteet ilmeisesti ukrainankielisiä tuolle kypäräjutulle:
Kun ei tule kypäriä saksasta, niin jospa Das Booteja sitten:
The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)
Stefanchuk also met German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht and discussed the possible supplies of German submarines to Ukraine. Scholz has been repeatedly criticized for blocking and delaying weapons supplies to Ukraine.
Noinkohan itäukrainalaiset uskoisivat, että Ukraina pommittaa omia siviilejään, ja äänestäisivät siinä hypoteettisessa joidenkin tahojen lobbaamassa riippumattomien tarkkailijoiden valvomassa kansanäänestyksessä Venäjään liittämisen puolesta. Viimeisimpiä kaupunkituhoja Itä-Ukrainasta:
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1533920021637959680
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1533854019545882625
Ranskalaisten Caesarit toiminnassa - luultavasti vain demoa tai harjoittelua, kun toimittaja paikalla:
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1533891112880029696
Edit: ja siis tätä seuraavassa toisessa klipissä väitetään, että näillä on jo tuhottu vähintään 80 kpl ryssän tykkejä. Tiedä sitten, aika hitaasti noita kertyy ukrainalaisten päivittäin ilmoittamaan listaan.
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Eversti
Exclusive: How a 15-year-old Ukrainian drone pilot helped destroy a Russian army column.
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KYIV, Ukraine — As the Russian army made its move on Kyiv in late February, the Ukrainian defences enlisted a drone pilot to pinpoint a column of military vehicles approaching the capital from the west.
The civilian who took on the task sent his drone up in a field near his house and found the Russian convoy. Ukrainian artillery destroyed it and the drone operator was quietly saluted as a hero.
He’s also 15.
“He was the only one who was experienced with drones in that region,” explained the commander, Yurii Kasjanov. “He’s a real hero, a hero of Ukraine.”
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Alkuperäisellä sivulla on jotakin epämääräisiä mainoksia, koko teksti spoilerissa.
Andrii Pokrasa with drone, June 2, 2022. Stewart Bell/Global News
KYIV, Ukraine — As the Russian army made its move on Kyiv in late February, the Ukrainian defences enlisted a drone pilot to pinpoint a column of military vehicles approaching the capital from the west.
The civilian who took on the task sent his drone up in a field near his house and found the Russian convoy. Ukrainian artillery destroyed it and the drone operator was quietly saluted as a hero.
He’s also 15.
In an interview with Global News, Andrii Pokrasa acknowledged he was the kid who helped stop the Russian invasion of Kyiv.
The incident was confirmed by his parents, the head of the Ukrainian drone owners federation and a commander in the armed forces unmanned reconnaissance section.
“He was the only one who was experienced with drones in that region,” explained the commander, Yurii Kasjanov. “He’s a real hero, a hero of Ukraine.”
Andrii Pokrasa, 15, flying his drone near Kyiv, Ukraine.
Pokrasa said the experience was “very, very scary” but he didn’t want the Russian soldiers to overrun his town.
He said the civil defence forces turned to him because they needed the GPS coordinates of the Russian column so it could be targeted.
“They provided us information where approximately the Russian column could be. Our goal was to find the exact coordinates and provide the coordinates to the soldiers,” Pokrasa said.
“It was one of the biggest columns that was moving on the Zhytomyr road and we managed to find it because one of the trucks turned on its lights for a long time.”
His father passed the details over to a territorial defence unit using a social media app and the Russian invasion force was stopped near Berezivka, about 40 kilometres west of Kyiv.
“I gave them the coordinates and photos, and after that they targeted the location,” the teenager said. “And I needed to coordinate more specifically where they should shell with artillery.”
Global News is not publishing the name of Pokrasa’s town for security reasons.
Russian military vehicles see in drone image taken by Andrii Pokrasa, 15, near Kyiv, Ukraine.
Consumer drones have become a crucial tool in the Ukraine war. Hundreds of civilian drone operators have been documenting everything from Russian troop movements to evidence of war crimes.
Their images are posted online or shared with Ukrainian authorities, leaving the Russian invasion force nowhere to hide, all because of commercial technology that even kids can operate.
“It’s a game-changer for the war,” said Taras Troiak, a former drone retailer who heads the Federation of Drone Owners of Ukraine.
Following the Feb. 24 invasion ordered by President Vladimir Putin, Troiak started a Facebook group to encourage civilian drone operators to locate Russian forces near Kyiv and inform the military.
About 1,000 civilian operators have since joined the effort, and drones have been arriving from supporters in Europe and North America, he said.
“If we didn’t have such operators and drones who can help the Ukrainian army, I think Kyiv already could be occupied by Russian forces,” said Troiak.
Youths were also involved, he added, recounting how Pokrasa detected a Russian column that had crossed the border from Belarus and was on the highway between Zhytomyr and Kyiv.
“This kid sent GPS coordinates and Russians, after this, became dead,” he said during an interview at his office in Kyiv.
Andrii Pokrasa, 15, helped the Ukrainian defence forces locate Russian military forces. Stewart Bell/Global News
Despite his role repelling the invasion, Pokrasa seemed like an otherwise typical teen. There was a skateboard and trampoline in his yard, and a bike on the front porch.
Afraid of heights, he saw a YouTube video of drone footage filmed over Kyiv and became hooked on looking at the world from above, he said.
Using money he and his father made buying and selling crypto-currency, he bought his first mini-drone last summer and began flying it every day, although once school began he wasn’t able to spend as much time with it.
When the Russians came, he initially stayed home with his family. But a few days into the war he was asked to help because he was the only person in the region with a working drone.
Because his neighbors frowned on his drone, fearing it would make them targets, he took it to a nearby field with his father after dark. He eventually spotted the moving headlights that gave away the Russian convoy. “It was two kilometres from us,” he said.
He had mixed feelings about the Russian soldiers who were killed as a result.
Russian military vehicles approaching Kyiv seen in drone image taken by 15-year-old Andrii Pokrasa.
“First of all I was so happy, but also it was people there. They were occupiers but anyway they were people,” he said.
Using a bigger drone with a longer range supplied by the Ukrainian forces, Pokrasa continued to help spot Russian military movements.
“I tried to protect them as much as possible,” Kasjanov said of Pokrasa and his father. “I asked Andrii ‘Are you not afraid?’ And he replied ‘Yes I am scared but I can’t do it any other way.'”
The commander said many youths too young to join the armed forces had been contributing, not only with drones but also by relaying information collected by watching Russian troops from their homes and vehicles.
“They feel themselves free people in a free land so that’s why they wanted to be part of it.” he said.
Andrii Pokrasa, 15, with his drone outside Kyiv, Ukraine.
Pokrasa’s mother Iryna said she was worried when her husband began taking their son out at night to look for Russian soldiers “but they also didn’t tell me a lot of things.”
She eventually took him to Poland to finish the grade nine school year, although she said he wanted to stay in Ukraine and keep helping.
She said she was proud of her son, whom she felt was destined for a career as an entrepreneur but needed to spend more time on his studies.
Pokrasa said some of his friends were impressed and others weren’t when they heard about how he had taken on one of the world’s strongest armies with his drone.
“They’re not really the strongest army,” he said.
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KYIV, Ukraine — As the Russian army made its move on Kyiv in late February, the Ukrainian defences enlisted a drone pilot to pinpoint a column of military vehicles approaching the capital from the west.
The civilian who took on the task sent his drone up in a field near his house and found the Russian convoy. Ukrainian artillery destroyed it and the drone operator was quietly saluted as a hero.
He’s also 15.
“He was the only one who was experienced with drones in that region,” explained the commander, Yurii Kasjanov. “He’s a real hero, a hero of Ukraine.”
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Alkuperäisellä sivulla on jotakin epämääräisiä mainoksia, koko teksti spoilerissa.
Exclusive: How a 15-year-old Ukrainian drone pilot helped destroy a Russian army column
Updated June 6, 2022 8:48 am
Andrii Pokrasa with drone, June 2, 2022. Stewart Bell/Global News
KYIV, Ukraine — As the Russian army made its move on Kyiv in late February, the Ukrainian defences enlisted a drone pilot to pinpoint a column of military vehicles approaching the capital from the west.
The civilian who took on the task sent his drone up in a field near his house and found the Russian convoy. Ukrainian artillery destroyed it and the drone operator was quietly saluted as a hero.
He’s also 15.
In an interview with Global News, Andrii Pokrasa acknowledged he was the kid who helped stop the Russian invasion of Kyiv.
The incident was confirmed by his parents, the head of the Ukrainian drone owners federation and a commander in the armed forces unmanned reconnaissance section.
“He was the only one who was experienced with drones in that region,” explained the commander, Yurii Kasjanov. “He’s a real hero, a hero of Ukraine.”
Andrii Pokrasa, 15, flying his drone near Kyiv, Ukraine.
Pokrasa said the experience was “very, very scary” but he didn’t want the Russian soldiers to overrun his town.
He said the civil defence forces turned to him because they needed the GPS coordinates of the Russian column so it could be targeted.
“They provided us information where approximately the Russian column could be. Our goal was to find the exact coordinates and provide the coordinates to the soldiers,” Pokrasa said.
“It was one of the biggest columns that was moving on the Zhytomyr road and we managed to find it because one of the trucks turned on its lights for a long time.”
His father passed the details over to a territorial defence unit using a social media app and the Russian invasion force was stopped near Berezivka, about 40 kilometres west of Kyiv.
“I gave them the coordinates and photos, and after that they targeted the location,” the teenager said. “And I needed to coordinate more specifically where they should shell with artillery.”
Global News is not publishing the name of Pokrasa’s town for security reasons.
Russian military vehicles see in drone image taken by Andrii Pokrasa, 15, near Kyiv, Ukraine.
Consumer drones have become a crucial tool in the Ukraine war. Hundreds of civilian drone operators have been documenting everything from Russian troop movements to evidence of war crimes.
Their images are posted online or shared with Ukrainian authorities, leaving the Russian invasion force nowhere to hide, all because of commercial technology that even kids can operate.
“It’s a game-changer for the war,” said Taras Troiak, a former drone retailer who heads the Federation of Drone Owners of Ukraine.
Following the Feb. 24 invasion ordered by President Vladimir Putin, Troiak started a Facebook group to encourage civilian drone operators to locate Russian forces near Kyiv and inform the military.
About 1,000 civilian operators have since joined the effort, and drones have been arriving from supporters in Europe and North America, he said.
“If we didn’t have such operators and drones who can help the Ukrainian army, I think Kyiv already could be occupied by Russian forces,” said Troiak.
Youths were also involved, he added, recounting how Pokrasa detected a Russian column that had crossed the border from Belarus and was on the highway between Zhytomyr and Kyiv.
“This kid sent GPS coordinates and Russians, after this, became dead,” he said during an interview at his office in Kyiv.
Andrii Pokrasa, 15, helped the Ukrainian defence forces locate Russian military forces. Stewart Bell/Global News
Despite his role repelling the invasion, Pokrasa seemed like an otherwise typical teen. There was a skateboard and trampoline in his yard, and a bike on the front porch.
Afraid of heights, he saw a YouTube video of drone footage filmed over Kyiv and became hooked on looking at the world from above, he said.
Using money he and his father made buying and selling crypto-currency, he bought his first mini-drone last summer and began flying it every day, although once school began he wasn’t able to spend as much time with it.
When the Russians came, he initially stayed home with his family. But a few days into the war he was asked to help because he was the only person in the region with a working drone.
Because his neighbors frowned on his drone, fearing it would make them targets, he took it to a nearby field with his father after dark. He eventually spotted the moving headlights that gave away the Russian convoy. “It was two kilometres from us,” he said.
He had mixed feelings about the Russian soldiers who were killed as a result.
Russian military vehicles approaching Kyiv seen in drone image taken by 15-year-old Andrii Pokrasa.
“First of all I was so happy, but also it was people there. They were occupiers but anyway they were people,” he said.
Using a bigger drone with a longer range supplied by the Ukrainian forces, Pokrasa continued to help spot Russian military movements.
“I tried to protect them as much as possible,” Kasjanov said of Pokrasa and his father. “I asked Andrii ‘Are you not afraid?’ And he replied ‘Yes I am scared but I can’t do it any other way.'”
The commander said many youths too young to join the armed forces had been contributing, not only with drones but also by relaying information collected by watching Russian troops from their homes and vehicles.
“They feel themselves free people in a free land so that’s why they wanted to be part of it.” he said.
Andrii Pokrasa, 15, with his drone outside Kyiv, Ukraine.
Pokrasa’s mother Iryna said she was worried when her husband began taking their son out at night to look for Russian soldiers “but they also didn’t tell me a lot of things.”
She eventually took him to Poland to finish the grade nine school year, although she said he wanted to stay in Ukraine and keep helping.
She said she was proud of her son, whom she felt was destined for a career as an entrepreneur but needed to spend more time on his studies.
Pokrasa said some of his friends were impressed and others weren’t when they heard about how he had taken on one of the world’s strongest armies with his drone.
“They’re not really the strongest army,” he said.
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Selvästi toimittajalla jäänyt pieni präntti lukematta tai joku käännöskukkanen. Putin tarkoittanut tietenkin 5 miljoonaa ruplaa kaikkien kuolleiden omaisten kesken jaettuna
Russia to pay £65,000 to families of national guards killed in Ukraine or Syria
Kremlin tight-lipped on numbers of Vladimir Putin’s internal security troops now fighting abroad
aika hurja summa, tavallinen ukko saa 10 000 ruplaa, national guard saa 5 miljoonaa kuollessaan
Mikfin70
Ylipäällikkö
Tämän takia Suomessa mm olkapääohjukset ovat keskitetyn tulenjohdon piirissä ettei niitä vähiä omia koneita ammuta alas.
arix
Respected Leader
Superraskasta kalustoa, tuon ei tarvitse(pysty) käyttää edes vyötä...Russia is sending in new heavy weapons. But, it’s unclear if they will be able to handle additional strain on supply and logistics.
Libertas Veritas
Kapteeni
Minun mielestäni ovat, se mitä itse olen seuraillut. Postailee parhaan tietonsa mukaan ja omaa joitain lähteitä Ukrainassa, ilmeisesti jopa taistelutehtävissä olevia. Kertoo avoimesti, jos ei ole kovin varma jostain asiasta ja paikkoo jälkikäteen virheitä, jos sattuu itse syömään sumua.
tankki-tapsa
Kenraali
Ei tule olemaan, Suomen puppetit eli vastuulliset politikot ja virkaeliitti suosivat "lelu-ramin" ja "sami-jaffan" tapaisia sankareita vrt. Turun islamilainen isku jossa siilitukkainen suomalainen auttaja korvattiin median sankaritarinoissa selfietä räpsivällä arabilla tai neekerillä, en nyt muista kummalla. Suomalainen mies ei saa olla koskaan minkäänlainen sankari mediassa, Suomen parhaat tyttäret ja miesoletetut ovat ohjeet käyneet kuittaamassa tästäkin detaljista. Ei ne muuten ns. lauteille olisikaan päässeet.