Ukrainan konflikti/sota

A Russian man has shot the leader of the local military draft committee in a Siberian town after telling him he would refuse to fight in the war in Ukraine.

The incident took place in the city of Ust-Ilimsk, a town of about 85,000 people in the Irkutsk region in Siberia.

Video showed the gunman, dressed in camouflage, firing at the official from point blank range as other potential draftees for the Russian invasion fled the room. Reports say that at least three shots were fired.

There are conflicting reports about whether the commandant, who also heads the local draft board, has died. Video showed him being carried from the building and placed on to a stretcher. He was not moving in the video.

The Irkutsk regional governor, Igor Kobzev, wrote on the Telegram messaging app that the draft office head was in hospital in a critical condition, and that the detained shooter “will absolutely be punished”.

According to a witness, the man shot the military commandant after he had given a “clumsy” pep talk for the men to go and fight in Ukraine. “Nobody is going to go anywhere,” the man said moments before opening fire, a witness told the Baikal People news outlet.
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Russia: man shoots commander drafting residents for war in Ukraine

Footage shows gunman firing at official in Siberian city after saying ‘nobody is going to go anywhere’
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Eli värväysupseeri paasasi suureen ääneen ja ukko otti aseen ja pisti sen hiljaiseksi. Örkkien värväys etenee, mutta kaikki ei ole lampaita. Taikka sulata putlerin aatoksia.
 
Joo-o kuulostaa legiitiltä. Kun mobilisaatio lähti käyntiin "rupla vahvistui". :ROFLMAO:
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Paniikkia ja huhuja/pelkoja sotatilan julistamisesta:
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Mobilisaatioon liittyen: Krasnoyarskissa sotilaskomissaari kommentoi lehdistötilaisuudessa (video) että kaikki kelpaa.
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Lisäksi tämä otos bloombergiltä:
The US authorities "at a very high level" told Moscow that the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation would be catastrophic, Washington would give a decisive answer , said US national security adviser Jake Sullivan.

The image shows a diagram of Biden's decision tree if Putin launches a tactical nuclear strike :

▪️Non-military response: The West is sending more weapons and NATO forces to Ukraine.

▪️Non-nuclear/military response: US attacks Russian military; as an option, the base from which the launch of tactical nuclear weapons was carried out.

▪️Nuclear Response: US Strikes Back with Nuclear Strikes - in the Arctic Ocean; as an option, the uninhabited territory of Siberia.

▪️Regime change: Biden devises a plan to remove Putin and reports it to Putin.

Everything can really end in a nuclear attack - Putin no longer has trump cards, he completely crap himself. The only question is where, what charge, and whether the answer of the civilized world will be accurate. Or, nevertheless, someone nearby will still gain the mind and courage to neutralize this fucking rat.
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Georgian rajan sulkemisesta tullut info tuli ilmeisesti Georgian MP:ltä.
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PH kirjoitti:
Vahvuuden lasku luonnollisesti johtuu kylmän sodan loppumisesta, tippuivat ne joukkomäärät muuallakin, myös Suomessa.

En tiedä, miten tuon 80-luvun vahvuuden ylläpito olisi perusteltu kansalle tai yhtään kenellekään, kun "itäraja" siirtyi 1500 kilometriä kauemmas. Vahvuuden tiputtamista suurempana syntinä pidän nykyisten joukkojen varustuksen ylläpidon täydellistä laiminlyöntiä.

Toki jälkiviisaana voisi sanoa, että Euroopan olisi pitänyt herätä muuttuvaan tilanteeseen Venäjän kanssa jo Putinin vuonna 2007 Münchenissa pitämän puheen vuoksi.
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Olet varmaan oikeassa. Toisaalta DDR:ssä oli satojen tuhansien kansanarmeija, ja runsaasti itäkalustoa jolle olisi ollut edelleen käyttöä Ukrainalle. Ne lienee kuitenkin poistettu. Palatakseni Saksan johtajiin, yhdistymisen jälkeen on ollut selkeästi Venäjä-myönteisempi linja. Onko tässä sitten ollut kyse sisäisestä vaikuttamisesta (vanhat DDR-porukat) vai mistä?
 
Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has vowed to liberate the entire country as Russia pressed on with its supposed referendum in occupied areas of Ukraine and so-called election workers accompanied by masked gunmen knocked on doors to get people to vote.

Zelenskiy said Ukraine’s armed forces would throw the Russian forces out and retaliate against “every strike of the aggressor”. He pledged that Ukraine’s armed forces would regain control of the southern Kherson region and the eastern Donbas, which includes Luhansk province and Crimea.

“Every murderer and torturer will be brought to justice for what he did against Ukrainians,” he said.

Reports posted on Telegram groups from occupied areas suggest the local population has overwhelmingly boycotted the Kremlin’s referendum stunt, which began on Friday. The process finishes on Tuesday, and Vladimir Putin is expected to declare this week that these territories belong to Russia.
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Zelenskiy vows to liberate all of Ukraine as Russian ‘vote’ continues

Reports suggest local population in occupied areas has overwhelmingly boycotted Kremlin’s referendum
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Kuinka kauan tämä mielikuvitusäänestyskampanja jatkuu?
 
OXPAHA kirjoitti:
Länsimaissa on eletty niin pitkä rauhan aika, pl Murican maailmanpoliisioperaatiot, että kai kuvitellaan että kun laitteet on kerran tehty niin niillä mennään ja pärjätään. Tankit ja suihkarit on valtion taseessa eikä niiden ole tarkoitus vaurioitua tai tuhoutua, kalliiden vempeleiden. Ukrainassa taas on oikea sota, kaikki heitetään tuleen. Jos ryssällä on kykyä, sieltä ajettaisiin taas suoraan tehtaasta taisteluun. Sodankäynti on kulutusta. Fuldan aukossa kukaan ei kuvitellut tankin tai panssarihaupitsin kestävän ikuisesti. Tietysti pitkä konflikti tuo esiin kaluston ongelmat, mutta panssarien yms tarkoitus on toimia kunnes tuhoutuvat, sodan jälkeen säästyneet romutetaan.

Plus tietysti että vain Abrams on todella koeteltu ja battle proven länsitankki. Arietet, Leclercit, Challengerit sun muut ovat periaatteessa kotimaan työllisyyspolitiikkaa. Leopardin on syytä parantaa peliään jos haluaa olla menestyvä vientituote. Aivan kuin ryssän juoppohullut varikkomajurit, lännessäkään ei kuviteltu että tämä kalusto pääsisi/joutuisi koskaan näkemään todellista sotaa.
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Suvaitsen olla erimieltä Challengerin osalta. Se on kuitenkin nähnyt vastaavaa sotaa kuin Abramssit Irakissa. Kyllä niillä molemmilla vanhat tank sovietukset tuhottiin ja kansalliskaartia kurmootettiin.
 
Fortis kirjoitti:
Olet varmaan oikeassa. Toisaalta DDR:ssä oli satojen tuhansien kansanarmeija, ja runsaasti itäkalustoa jolle olisi ollut edelleen käyttöä Ukrainalle. Ne lienee kuitenkin poistettu. Palatakseni Saksan johtajiin, yhdistymisen jälkeen on ollut selkeästi Venäjä-myönteisempi linja. Onko tässä sitten ollut kyse sisäisestä vaikuttamisesta (vanhat DDR-porukat) vai mistä?
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DDR:n itäkalustoahan myytiin valtavia määriä mm. Suomeen ja sitä tavaraa on vieläkin käytössä tai varastossa reippaasti. Nuo kaupathan lopulta mahdollistivat luopumisen toisen maailmansodan aikaisista reliikeistä.
 
RKSTAK kirjoitti:
Onkohan tässä niin että Putin valmistautuu sodan julistukseen Ukrainalle. LKP ja Ryssän feikki kansanäänestykset päättyvät keskiviikkona ja Putler pitää puheen samana päivänä.
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Itse uskon että tämä tulee tapahtumaan. Siitä sitten täysi LKP, sotatalous ja ytimillä uhkailu seuraavina listalla.
 
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Koiruus ja ystävä Iziumin porteillla
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Äänestyspiste auton takakontissa Mauripolissa ;)
 
RKSTAK kirjoitti:
Onkohan tässä niin että Putin valmistautuu sodan julistukseen Ukrainalle. LKP ja Ryssän feikki kansanäänestykset päättyvät keskiviikkona ja Putler pitää puheen samana päivänä.
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Vaikea ymmärtää miten sodanjulistus enää Puttea auttaa. Sotatalouteen siirtyminen kaataa ryssälän talouden/yhteiskunnan pikapikaa ellei jo kaikkien kulissien romahtaminen orjakansan silmissä sitä tee...
 
The Russian news agency RIA Novosti is carrying some turn-out figures for the widely-derided “referendums” in occupied Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson. The figures suggest that “turn-out” has been sufficient for the proxy-Russian authorities to declare them legitimate, ranging from 77% in Donetsk to 49% in Kherson.

Ukraine’s authorities have described the process as a “propaganda show” and it is unlikely that the results will be recognised as official, or that the referendums will be deemed to have been free or fair in many places outside of the Russian Federation.
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Russia-Ukraine war latest updates: anti-mobilisation protests in Dagestan; US warns of ‘decisive’ nuclear response

At least 100 arrests in Dagestan amid anger at mobilisation; Russia will face ‘catastrophic consequences’ if it uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, says US national security adviser
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Sergei Tsekov, who has been a senator in the post-annexation legislature of Crimea since 2014, has, according to the RIA Novosti news agency, called for the Russian border to be shut “to ban anyone who is of military age from traveling abroad.”

The agency quotes him also saying it is necessary to increase the fine for evading a summons from 3,000 to 50,000 roubles.
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Gen Sir Richard Barrons, former commander joint forces command in the British army, has been interviewed on Sky News this morning in the UK. He told viewers that Russia’s newly mobilised recruits “won’t be very well trained and probably not very well equipped”, and that “they won’t necessarily be very enthusiastic”.

He said: “Russia would have to invest in training and equipping these large numbers of people that would take them well into next year. And it just doesn’t look like they have the training machinery, the logistics, or the weapons to make this really work anytime soon.”

On the battlefield, he said the approaching winter weather would make an impact, explaining: “It gets wet in October, which means that moving tanks and trucks and big loads of artillery ammunition becomes harder and slower.

“And then as the cold comes in, simply living in the field is harder. Shorter hours of daylight mean something simple like using drones that don’t have night vision capability becomes more restricted. The weather will slow things down. But the war won’t stop just because it gets cold.”

He was dismissive that the widely derided referendums being carried out would make a strategic difference to Ukraine, saying: “The key question though, is whether [the Ukrainians] can sustain that forward movement in the north and the south.”

He added “[The referendum] is just a device that allows [Russia] to claim that this territory, this part of Ukraine is somehow now magicked into Russia, and therefore could be protected by the full force of the Russian state. It is going to make no difference to what Ukraine does. It should make no difference to what the west does in supporting Ukraine.”
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Energoatom, the state-run nuclear enterprise in Ukraine which manages nuclear power stations including the occupied plant at Zaporizhzhia, has accused pro-Russian forces within Zaporizhzhia of staging the appearance that staff voted in the widely-condemned referendum being held in the region. It said on Telegram:

They staged another performance near the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, pretending to be the staff of the nuclear plant as invited mobsters.

A large group of men in civilian clothes waited for the end of the shift at the station and mingled with its staff who were leaving after the shift.

Along the way, those lined up gave interviews to pro-Russian propaganda media and shouted words of support for Russia and the pseudo-referendum, after which they went to the bus in which the “voting” was held and demonstratively filled out the ballots.

This fact once again proves that among the patriotic workers of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, no one volunteered to participate in the occupying farce, so the propagandists were once again forced to make a “good” picture for Russian customers.
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Japan will ban exports of chemical weapons-related goods to Russia, and is “deeply concerned” about the possible use of nuclear weapons, chief cabinet secretary Hirokazu Matsuno said on Monday.

Reuters reported that Japan also added 21 Russian organisations, such as science labs, to the list of entities subject to export bans.

“Japan is deeply concerned about the possibility of nuclear weapons used during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine,” Matsuno told media, adding Japan will continue to work with the international society in supporting Ukraine and sanctioning Russia.
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Two drones launched by Russian forces into the Odesa region in Ukraine hit military objects causing a fire and the detonation of ammunition, according to a report by Reuters.

“As a result of a large-scale fire and the detonation of ammunition, the evacuation of the civilian population was organised,” the South command of Ukraine’s forces said in a statement on the Telegram. “Preliminarily, there have been no casualties.”
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“It looks like they have decided that they will no longer try to hide their existence. By now, everyone knows who they are,” said Denis Korotkov, a former Novaya Gazeta journalist and longtime observer of Wagner.
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Russia’s private military contractor Wagner comes out of the shadows in Ukraine war

Mercenary group does not officially exist but is playing a more public role and openly recruiting in Russia
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Despite its global reach, much of the group’s inner workings have remained a secret to the outside world.

On paper, it doesn’t exist, with no company registration, tax returns or organisational chart to be found. Russia’s senior leadership, including Vladimir Putin, has repeatedly denied any connections between Wagner and the state.

Private military companies are officially banned in Russia, and the semi-legal framework mercenaries operate under has also meant that family members of deceased Wagner operatives were often pressured into silence when seeking information about their loved ones.
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Wagner publicly boasted of its involvement in the war with a message on its website stating: “They have already liberated Popasna, join us to liberate the entire Donbas! Go on your first combat campaign with living industry legends!”

When the Guardian contacted the email address posted on Wagner’s website, an individual claiming to represent the group said that it started its recruitment campaign because “we saw that the support for our company is colossal, and there are many who want to join”.

“But nothing changes, there is no Wagner and never was, it’s just a legend. There are only Robin Hoods who protect the poor who are oppressed by the rich,” the person added in an email exchange that was characteristic of Wagner’s tongue-in-cheek public stance.

The website has since been taken down by Hostinger, the Lithuania-based internet domain provider that hosted it. A Hostinger representative said it took action when it discovered that the site was “cloaking” itself with fake identities, VPNs and crypto payments.
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“Wagner is lowering its recruitment standards and hiring convicts and formerly blacklisted individuals, potentially impacting Russian military effectiveness,” the UK’s Ministry of Defence said in an intelligence briefing last week.

“Even before the conflict, less than 30% of the soldiers in Wagner were actual professionals,” said Gabidullin, the former Wagner commander. “Now, the group will mostly consist of a bunch of amateurs … The circus that is Russia continues.”
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Mikfin70 kirjoitti:
Minä vuonna olet saanut Suomessa Leo-koulutuksen?
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No nyt kun tuli siihen pätemään, niin kerroppas samantien mitä eroa on Ukrainalaiselle diiselmoottoreita huoltavalla ja koneistavalla pajalle MTU MB 873 ja V-92S2F täyshuollossa? Tuollaiset kun tupsahtaa manantaina pöydälle niin kumpi pärisee perjantaihin mennessä? Motivaationa se naapurikylässä riehuva ryssä jota pitää päästä ampumaan mieluiten heti.

Niin, kulutussodassa pitää saada huolettua myös ne vähän puhkiammutut takaisin linjaan. Tämä kähinä ei ole loppumassa just nyt. Ja jos huollon vastaus on että näistä viidestä vähän ammutusta yksikään ei ole kunnossa tänä vuonna niin se vastaus on _väärä_.

Niin paska kuin joku T-72 on sotakoneena, niin se on vanhaa patarautaa jota korjaa kyläsepän nyrkkipajassa kohtuu pitkälle.
 
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