Ukrainan konflikti/sota
Antares
Respected Leader
Hyvin mahdollista, ei ole kauaa aikaa kun julkistettiin tieto siitä että eräs valkovenäläinen sotilasteknologian tehdas / paja siirtyi Venäjän omistukseen. Muistaakseni olivat osaavia myös sotakaluston kunnostuksessa, mikä sopisi siihen että kunnostettaisiin lähellä Ukrainaa joko rintamalta saapuvaa kovasti kulutettua kalustoa TAI kunnostaisivat Venäjän eri varastotukikohdista saapuvia ajoneuvoja. Olisi siis yksi paja lisää Venäjän omien lisäksi.
Yritin hakea uutista mutta ei löytynyt toistaiseksi. Muistan että linkitin sen itse tänne ehkä max. viikko sitten.
Kumpujen yöstä
Kapteeni
Horten Ho 229, Northrop Grummanin väki teki kopion Hortenin veljesten hävittäjästä, jota ei ehditty saada kunnolla valmiiksi ennen natsi-Saksan tappiota?
The WW2 flying wing decades ahead of its time
In the last months of World War Two, Nazi Germany tested an experimental fighter more spaceship than aircraft. Only now are we realising how inspired it was, writes Stephen Dowling.
www.bbc.com
Sorry OT
teknohippi
Ylipäällikkö
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Nyt on ihan aito wunderwaffe! Kunhan eivät kaiva Amerika Bomberin piirustuksia jostain…Horten Ho 229, Northrop Grummanin väki teki kopion Hortenin veljesten hävittäjästä, jota ei ehditty saada kunnolla valmiiksi ennen natsi-Saksan tappiota?
The WW2 flying wing decades ahead of its time
In the last months of World War Two, Nazi Germany tested an experimental fighter more spaceship than aircraft. Only now are we realising how inspired it was, writes Stephen Dowling.
Sorry OT
Tutkija: Leninin lupaus ei enää suojaa Suomea
Tuomas Forsbergin mukaan Venäjän hyökkäys Suomeen ei näytä edes teoriassa kovin läheiseltä tapahtumalta, mutta Putinin ajan imperialismissa kaikki on mahdollista.
www.iltalehti.fi
Juupa, juu... Onpa ne Leninin lupaukset nähty
, eipä paljon Staliniakaan kiinnostaneet, eikä sen enempää tätä nykyistä pikku-Stalinia.
Samaa mieltä. Vanha perisynti eli liian vähän ja liian myöhään. Ei ymmärrä mitä pantataan. Minusta Ukraina on antanut jo näytöt että osaavat käyttää lännen aseita tehokkaasti. Toki koulutusta tarvitaan ja siitä viive ainakin osin.
Jännä että noita ryssän VDV joukkoja yhtäkkiä ilmestyi rintamalle ja vieläpä puskevat puolustajaa taaksepäin. Eliittijoukkojen väitettiin olleen kulutettu vähiin ellei jopa tuhottu. Tässä taas nähdään, että ryssää ei kannata aliarvioida missään tilanteessa.
Antares
Respected Leader
Puolalaisen mukaan Valko-Venäjä voisi julistaa "osittaisen liikekannallepanon" eli suomennettuna varmasti yleisen liikekannallepanon 16.1.2023.
Toki nämä ovat "vahvistamattomia huhuja" mutta ei tarvitse odottaa kuin viikko niin nähdään pitääkö paikkansa. Tässä haastatellaan "head of the Belarusian House in Warsaw":
Will Belarus announce partial mobilization? "It's highly probable" [INTERVIEW]
Information about a possible mobilization in Belarus appeared in the media space. Is such a step actually planned? How can Belarusian society react? These questions are answered by Ales Zarembiuk, head of the Belarusian House in Warsaw.
Bartłomiej Wypartowicz, Defence24: There is more and more talk in the media about the possible participation of Belarusian troops in the war in Ukraine, and recently we have been hearing about potential mobilization in Belarus. There is even a date here: January 16. Is such a step possible?
Ales Zarembiuk, head of the Belarusian House in Warsaw: Indeed, we have such information from Belarus. On January 16, on Monday, a partial mobilization is to be announced. We'll see how much truth there is to this, but it's highly likely. Until recently, the registration and updating of data of the Belarusian society continued. This registration is already completed and a partial mobilization is to be announced on Monday, under the pretext of an increased threat from NATO, i.e. mainly Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, with which Belarus borders.
How can the Belarusian society react to the mobilizations?
Belarusian society in the current situation cannot organize any protest, because arrests are made every day in the country, even on Christmas, which Belarus celebrated last weekend. Belarusian society reacted already during this war with actions of "railway guerrillas", and many young men who did not want to fight against Ukraine emigrated and may emigrate to the west.
However, should there be potential protests, is Lukashenko prepared for them?
Lukashenka is prepared to pacify such protests if they appear, because only a deeper change in the situation can cause some protests. As of today, protests are very unlikely. Many Belarusians are against Lukashenko's regime, but it will be difficult to go out on the streets in the current situation or go out on the streets outside the capital. Nevertheless, Lukashenko is prepared and has been preparing for this for a long time. The entire policy of the last two years in Belarus is aimed at pacifying every protest, every dissatisfaction. Lukashenka acts on this issue every day by making arrests, arrests and fines for posts in social media or for subscriptions to independent Belarusian media. The very high budget for special services, army and militia shows that that he is prepared for pacifications as he has never been before. Therefore, there will be no such protests, and if they do, Lukashenko will pacify them. It is possible that even by shooting Belarusians.
Could Lukashenko be able to support Putin with his forces?
Lukashenko has been supporting Putin for a long time. The West at one point believed that Lukashenko was a guarantor of peace and a man who wanted to secure peace, and under the cover of these peace negotiations in Minsk, Putin was preparing for war with Ukraine. Lukashenko told the West all the time and swore that there would never be an attack on Ukraine from Belarusian territory. The same situation is taking place now, despite the failures of the Russians at the front. Putin is preparing a plan for a new operation against Ukraine and he is very keen to attack Ukraine once again from the side of Belarus. Lukashenko provides Putin with territory, provides military personnel who train Russians, and has provided all infrastructure and equipment for Russia. Preparations for the next attack are taking place in Belarusian cities and in Belarusian barracks. Putin gets everything he wants.
What should the collective west do?
We know that the last three sanction packages did not cover Belarus. In this way, the West sent a clear signal to Lukashenko that he must do everything not to join the war in Ukraine, but if this happens, the West will react much stronger. The West must think about even more severe sanctions and think about how to support Ukraine and its army faster, more efficiently and on a larger scale. The West must also not forget to support the Kalinowski regiment that defends Ukraine.
Viikon kuluttua ollaan viisaampia tämän osalta, tosin Ukraina on myös puhunut siitä että Venäjä pyrkii hyökkäämään niiden mobilisoitujen avulla joita ei ole vielä lähetetty Ukrainaan (lähteestä riippuen niitä olisi 150 000 - 200 000). Odotellaan toki samalla, kuuluuko ryssän "uudesta mobilisaatiokierroksesta" samoihin aikoihin, siitäkin on sanottu että menee heidän uudenvuoden juhlinnan jälkeiseen aikaan, mahdollisesti tammikuun puoliväliin.
Lainaan pari kohtaa tuosta, jäämme tosiaan odottamaan:
On January 16, on Monday, a partial mobilization is to be announced....under the pretext of an increased threat from NATO, i.e. mainly Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, with which Belarus borders.
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As of today, protests are very unlikely.
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The very high budget for special services, army and militia shows that that he is prepared for pacifications as he has never been before. Therefore, there will be no such protests, and if they do, Lukashenko will pacify them. It is possible that even by shooting Belarusians.
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Putin is preparing a plan for a new operation against Ukraine and he is very keen to attack Ukraine once again from the side of Belarus. Lukashenko provides Putin with territory, provides military personnel who train Russians, and has provided all infrastructure and equipment for Russia. Preparations for the next attack are taking place in Belarusian cities and in Belarusian barracks. Putin gets everything he wants.
Toki nämä ovat "vahvistamattomia huhuja" mutta ei tarvitse odottaa kuin viikko niin nähdään pitääkö paikkansa. Tässä haastatellaan "head of the Belarusian House in Warsaw":
Will Belarus announce partial mobilization? "It's highly probable" [INTERVIEW]
BARTHOLOMEW WYPARTOWICZ
10.01.2023 15:30
Information about a possible mobilization in Belarus appeared in the media space. Is such a step actually planned? How can Belarusian society react? These questions are answered by Ales Zarembiuk, head of the Belarusian House in Warsaw.
Bartłomiej Wypartowicz, Defence24: There is more and more talk in the media about the possible participation of Belarusian troops in the war in Ukraine, and recently we have been hearing about potential mobilization in Belarus. There is even a date here: January 16. Is such a step possible?
Ales Zarembiuk, head of the Belarusian House in Warsaw: Indeed, we have such information from Belarus. On January 16, on Monday, a partial mobilization is to be announced. We'll see how much truth there is to this, but it's highly likely. Until recently, the registration and updating of data of the Belarusian society continued. This registration is already completed and a partial mobilization is to be announced on Monday, under the pretext of an increased threat from NATO, i.e. mainly Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, with which Belarus borders.
How can the Belarusian society react to the mobilizations?
Belarusian society in the current situation cannot organize any protest, because arrests are made every day in the country, even on Christmas, which Belarus celebrated last weekend. Belarusian society reacted already during this war with actions of "railway guerrillas", and many young men who did not want to fight against Ukraine emigrated and may emigrate to the west.
However, should there be potential protests, is Lukashenko prepared for them?
Lukashenka is prepared to pacify such protests if they appear, because only a deeper change in the situation can cause some protests. As of today, protests are very unlikely. Many Belarusians are against Lukashenko's regime, but it will be difficult to go out on the streets in the current situation or go out on the streets outside the capital. Nevertheless, Lukashenko is prepared and has been preparing for this for a long time. The entire policy of the last two years in Belarus is aimed at pacifying every protest, every dissatisfaction. Lukashenka acts on this issue every day by making arrests, arrests and fines for posts in social media or for subscriptions to independent Belarusian media. The very high budget for special services, army and militia shows that that he is prepared for pacifications as he has never been before. Therefore, there will be no such protests, and if they do, Lukashenko will pacify them. It is possible that even by shooting Belarusians.
Could Lukashenko be able to support Putin with his forces?
Lukashenko has been supporting Putin for a long time. The West at one point believed that Lukashenko was a guarantor of peace and a man who wanted to secure peace, and under the cover of these peace negotiations in Minsk, Putin was preparing for war with Ukraine. Lukashenko told the West all the time and swore that there would never be an attack on Ukraine from Belarusian territory. The same situation is taking place now, despite the failures of the Russians at the front. Putin is preparing a plan for a new operation against Ukraine and he is very keen to attack Ukraine once again from the side of Belarus. Lukashenko provides Putin with territory, provides military personnel who train Russians, and has provided all infrastructure and equipment for Russia. Preparations for the next attack are taking place in Belarusian cities and in Belarusian barracks. Putin gets everything he wants.
What should the collective west do?
We know that the last three sanction packages did not cover Belarus. In this way, the West sent a clear signal to Lukashenko that he must do everything not to join the war in Ukraine, but if this happens, the West will react much stronger. The West must think about even more severe sanctions and think about how to support Ukraine and its army faster, more efficiently and on a larger scale. The West must also not forget to support the Kalinowski regiment that defends Ukraine.
Viikon kuluttua ollaan viisaampia tämän osalta, tosin Ukraina on myös puhunut siitä että Venäjä pyrkii hyökkäämään niiden mobilisoitujen avulla joita ei ole vielä lähetetty Ukrainaan (lähteestä riippuen niitä olisi 150 000 - 200 000). Odotellaan toki samalla, kuuluuko ryssän "uudesta mobilisaatiokierroksesta" samoihin aikoihin, siitäkin on sanottu että menee heidän uudenvuoden juhlinnan jälkeiseen aikaan, mahdollisesti tammikuun puoliväliin.
Lainaan pari kohtaa tuosta, jäämme tosiaan odottamaan:
On January 16, on Monday, a partial mobilization is to be announced....under the pretext of an increased threat from NATO, i.e. mainly Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, with which Belarus borders.
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As of today, protests are very unlikely.
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The very high budget for special services, army and militia shows that that he is prepared for pacifications as he has never been before. Therefore, there will be no such protests, and if they do, Lukashenko will pacify them. It is possible that even by shooting Belarusians.
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Putin is preparing a plan for a new operation against Ukraine and he is very keen to attack Ukraine once again from the side of Belarus. Lukashenko provides Putin with territory, provides military personnel who train Russians, and has provided all infrastructure and equipment for Russia. Preparations for the next attack are taking place in Belarusian cities and in Belarusian barracks. Putin gets everything he wants.
Eikö tämä väite perustunut vahvistamattomiin Twitter-huhuihin.
En kiellä etteikö VDV:n joukkoja tuolla voisi olla ja vielä vähemmän olen kannustamassa vihollisen aliarviointiin, mutta tätä huhutulvaa kannattaa tarkistella aika lähdekriittisesti.
Tässä saattaa näkyä sekin, että NATOn vakoilukoneista ei ole paljoa apua noin idässä. Ei saada ehkä ollenkaan niin tarkkaa ja ajantasaista kuvaa rysyjen toimista kun ne koneet pörrää kaukana Mustan Meren päällä ja Puolan yllä. Iivana pystyy paremmin järjestämään erilaisia pikku ylläreitä.
Omavarainen maanviljelijä
Korpraali
Sama täällä ja omia poikianikin (2 kpl) olen kehottanut menemään inttiin.
Tästä ei voi olla samaa mieltä. Minä luulen että Naton tiedustelusta on apua paljon enemmän kuin edes aavistellaan. Ja ei kai voi olettaa että rintama pysyy ihan staattisena koko talven koska venäjällä on ihan selvästi tarve saada edes jotakin aikaiseksi kotiyleisölle sekä voi olla myös Ukrainalaisten hyökkäyksen estäminen mielessä. Aloite pitäisi pitää. Hinnalla millä hyvänsä.
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teknohippi
Ylipäällikkö
Tuolla idässä on oltu samoilla linjoilla jo pitkään, niin siellä on ehditty vetää lankaliittymiäkin riittävästi. Ei tarvitse olla radioliikenteen varassa kuten Kiovan keikalla.
Aikaisemmin hajalleammuttuja osastoja on ehditty täydentää ja kasata ne yhteen paikkaan että saadaan suorituskykyistä joukkoa. Tästähän oli juttuakin aiemmin eli mobikkia etulinjaan ja näin saadaan ne viimeiset ammattilaiset irti hyökkäystoimiin. Eiköhän ne ihan hyvin tuolla hyökätessä hupene olemattomiin.
Tarkoitin suhteellisesti ottaen: NATOn tiedustelukoneista oli paljon enemmän hyötyä silloin kun taistelut olivat lännessä. En tarkoittanut että niistä ei olisi nyt mitään hyötyä.
Jep, nuo kanssa.
Sotakoira
Kapteeni
Ukrainian military to start training on Patriot missiles next week
Ukrainian troops are set to begin training on the Patriot missile system in the United States as soon as next week, two U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell CNN.According to CNN, the training program will take place at Fort Sill in Oklahoma, where the US conducts its own training on operating and maintaining the advanced air defense system.
Fort Sill is one of the Army’s four basic training locations and home to the service’s field artillery school, which has been training service members for more than a century.
The training for the Ukrainians on the complex system is expected to take “several months,” said Laura Cooper, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia.
“I’m not going to be able to give you a specific timeframe for the completion of the training,” Cooper said Friday.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/883527.html