Ukrainan konflikti/sota

Ideaa tässäkin. Joukkorahoituksella tutkia Ukrainalle.


Tiedän että myös Suomessa on aloitteita näille joukkorahoituksille ollut menossa jo useamman kuukauden.

Meillä hommat vaan byrokratian kautta edistyvät valitettavan hitaasti. Lausunnon lausunnon lausuntoa ja siihen lupaa luvan päälle. Valitettavasti… toivottavasti jossain vaiheessa voin ruveta täällä jakamaan mahdollisuutta osallistua, mutta ainakaan toistaiseksi en ole kuullut edistymisestä.
 
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Russia analysts say that the loss of life is unlikely to be a deterrent to Mr. Putin’s war aims. He [Putin] has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced in World War II, when more than 8 million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said that they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.

“In essence, it does not matter how big the Russian losses are, since their overall human resource is much greater than Ukraine’s,”
Mr. Salm, the Estonian official, said in a follow-up email. “In Russia the life of a soldier is worth nothing. A dead soldier, on the other hand, is a hero, regardless of how he died. All lost soldiers can be replaced, and the number of losses will not shift the public opinion against the war.”

Soaring Death Toll Gives Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics​

Moscow is sending poorly trained recruits, including convicts, to the front lines in eastern Ukraine to pave the way for more seasoned fighters, U.S. and allied officials say.

A soldier standing by empty cots.

Ukrainian medical evacuation team members await calls for wounded soldiers in the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine, which has been the scene of heavy fighting.

By Helene Cooper, Eric Schmitt and Thomas Gibbons-Neff
Feb. 2, 2023

WASHINGTON — The number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is approaching 200,000, a stark symbol of just how badly President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has gone, according to American and other Western officials.

While the officials caution that casualties are notoriously difficult to estimate, particularly because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, they say the slaughter from fighting in and around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut and the town of Soledar has ballooned what was already a heavy toll.
With Moscow desperate for a major battlefield victory and viewing Bakhmut as the key to seizing the entire eastern Donbas area, the Russian military has sent poorly trained recruits and former convicts to the front lines, straight into the path of Ukrainian shelling and machine guns. The result, American officials say, has been hundreds of troops killed or injured a day.

Russia analysts say that the loss of life is unlikely to be a deterrent to Mr. Putin’s war aims. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced in World War II, when more than 8 million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said that they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.

Ukraine’s casualty figures are also difficult to ascertain, given Kyiv’s reluctance to disclose its own wartime losses. But in Bakhmut, hundreds of Ukrainian troops have been wounded and killed daily at times as well, officials said. Better trained infantry formations are kept in reserve to safeguard them, while lesser prepared troops, such as those in the territorial defense units, are kept on the front line and bear the brunt of shelling.

The last public Biden administration estimate of casualties came last November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed and wounded since the war began. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000.
“I would say it’s significantly well over 100,000 now,” General Milley said at a news conference last month in Germany, adding that the Russian toll included “regular military, and also their mercenaries in the Wagner Group.”

The State of the War​

At two meetings last month between senior military and defense officials from NATO and partner countries, officials said the fighting in the Donbas had turned into, as one of them put it, a meat grinder.

On Norwegian TV on Jan. 22, Gen. Eirik Kristoffersen, Norway’s defense chief, said estimates were that Russia had suffered 180,000 dead and wounded, while Ukraine had 100,000 killed or wounded in action along with 30,000 civilian deaths. General Kristoffersen, in an email to The New York Times through his spokesman, said that there is “much uncertainty regarding these numbers, as no one at the moment are able to give a good overview. They could be both lower or even higher.

Senior U.S. officials said this week that they believe the number for Russia is closer to 200,000. That toll, in just 11 months, is eight times higher than American casualties in two decades of war in Afghanistan.

The figures for Ukraine and Russia are estimates based on satellite imagery, communication intercepts, social media and on-the-ground media reports, as well as official reporting from both governments. Establishing precise numbers is extremely difficult, and estimates vary, even within the U.S. government.

A senior U.S. military official last month described the combat around Bakhmut as savage. The two sides exchanged several thousand rounds of artillery fire each day, while the Wagner private military company, which has been central to Russia’s efforts there, had essentially begun using recruited convicts as cannon fodder, the official told reporters. He spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational details.

The convicts took the brunt of the Ukrainian response while the group’s more seasoned fighters moved in behind them to claim ground, the official said. Wagner has recruited some 50,000 troops to fight in Ukraine, according to senior American military and defense officials.

Thousands of the convicts have been killed, a loss of life that has shocked American officials, who say the strategic value of Bakhmut simply is not in line with the price Russia has paid.

In an interview on Tuesday, a senior Defense Department official pointed to myriad military supply and tactical problems to explain the Russian tactics. The Russian military is running low on critical supplies and replenishment, said Colin H. Kahl, the under secretary of defense for policy. “They’re running low on artillery. They’re running low on standoff munitions, and they are substituting by sending convicts in human waves into places like Bakhmut and Soledar.

The Russian military has been following the Wagner playbook and deliberately using the poorly trained troops to draw, and deplete, Ukrainian fire, senior American military and defense officials said.

Kusti Salm, Estonia’s deputy defense minister, in a briefing with reporters in Washington last week, said that Russia was better able to stand its losses than Ukraine.
In this particular area, the Russians have employed around 40,000 to 50,000 inmates or prisoners,” Mr. Salm said. “They are going up against regular soldiers, people with families, people with regular training, valuable people for the Ukrainian military.”

“So the exchange rate is unfair,” he added. “It’s not one to one because for Russia, inmates are expendable. From an operational perspective, this is a very unfair deal for the Ukrainians and a clever tactical move from the Russian side.

Moscow has thrown people it sees as expendable into battles for decades, if not centuries. During World War II, Joseph Stalin sent close to one million prisoners to the front. Boris Sokolov, a Russia historian, describes in a piece called “Gulag Reserves” in the Russian opposition magazine Grani.ru that an additional one million “special settlers”— deportees and others viewed by the Soviet government as second-class citizens — were also forced to fight during World War II.

“In essence, it does not matter how big the Russian losses are, since their overall human resource is much greater than Ukraine’s,” Mr. Salm, the Estonian official, said in a follow-up email. “In Russia the life of a soldier is worth nothing. A dead soldier, on the other hand, is a hero, regardless of how he died. All lost soldiers can be replaced, and the number of losses will not shift the public opinion against the war.”
 
Miten muistan, että tällä viikolla joku mainitsi näiden BDSM rakettien olevan vasta insinöörien suunnittelupöydällä? Onko nyt kuitenkin niin, että valmista kamaa ja heti oikeeseen käyttöön?

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Siinä ylempänä taisikin tulla vastaus.
Jack Detsch twiitissään totesi ettei olisi Himars -yhteensopiva vielä. Korjasi uudella twiitillä.

For clarity's sake, I deleted a previous tweet that said the GLSDB is not fireable from HIMARS. As Reuters also reported, is not *yet* compatible w/ HIMARS, but is expected to be soon

GLSDBs sent to Ukraine will be paired with their own unique launchers
 
Ai hitto kun pääsisi tällaisten kanssa neuvottelemaan käytöstavoista! Suomessa siitä tulisi kyllä kakkua, mutta olisi sen arvoista!
Olen ajatellut, että alle 18-vuotiaita tulisi pitää syyttöminä ryssien tekoihin, mutta näiden osalta täytyy todeta, että tälle ei ole mitään perusteita. Kuuluisivat kiikkumaan muiden ryssien joukkoon.
 
Käskin chat-gpt:n kritisoimaan Venäjän armeijaa verrarruna USA:n armeijaan Donald Trumpin tyylilajissa. Vastauksessa yllättävän paljon totta ja tämä oli ennen sotaa.

Tekoälyn vastaus:

Well let me tell you something about the Russian military. It's a joke, believe me. Just a total joke. They can't even win a war against a bunch of rebels, for crying out loud. And now they want to compare themselves to the greatest military force in the world? Give me a break.

I mean, the United States military is the best in the world, no question about it. We have the most advanced technology, the best training, the strongest weapons. We've been winning wars for centuries, and we're going to keep winning them. We have the best soldiers, the best leadership, the best everything.

And the Russians, they have what? Some outdated equipment, some half-trained soldiers, some corrupt leaders who steal from their own people. They're a mess, a complete and utter mess. They couldn't win a war against a Girl Scout troop, let alone the United States military.

And let me tell you something else. The Russians, they're always up to no good. They're always trying to interfere in other countries' affairs, they're always trying to spread their propaganda and influence the world. They're a threat to global stability, and we need to keep a close eye on them.

So there you have it. The Russian military is a joke, a total joke. And we should all be grateful that we have the United States military to protect us and keep the world safe. Because we're the best, the absolute best. And nobody does it better than us.
 
Vlad on ottanut Sputnikkeja 🤭
Zhirinovski oli muistaakseni ottanut noita jopa useamman ja sitten sitä toista jonka jopa rysyt itsekin myönsivät täydeksi kusetukseksi. Noh, hyvinhän siinä kävi… 😉

Olisihan se ihanaa jos bunkkerirunkkarin tappaisi lopulta virus, jonka olemassaoloa hänen suurimmat fanit länsimaissa epäilevät…
 
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