Ukrainan konflikti/sota
lsoviha
Majuri
Mariupolin puolustajan tarina
Nine Months of Hell in Mariupol: How This Real-Life Rambo Survived, Resisted, and Escaped Captivity - Soldier of Fortune Magazine
By John Spencer As I sat in a clean, elegant café in downtown Kyiv it was nearly impossible for me tsofmag.com
Lukuaika artikkelille on 10 min, kannattaa lukea, tiivistelmästä ei välity sama tunne.
Evp erikoismies ja 2014 veteraani, puolusti vapaaehtoisjoukoissa Mariupolia sodan alussa, jäi vangiksi, kidutettiin pahasti, pääsi karkuun ja piilotteli Mariupolin raunioissa 9kk ryömien, koska ei pystynyt kävelemään, evakuoitiin helmikuussa 2023 Ukrainan puolelle hoitoon.
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Ohjusjoukkojen lisäksi Moskovaa ympäröi yli toistakymmentä tutka-asemaa.
Vanhentuvat tutkajärjestelmät suodattavat automaattisesti pois matalalla hitaasti lentävät kohteet. Jos laitteita säädetään herkemmälle, on väärien hälytysten sarja taukoamaton. Tutka ei erota droonia linnusta.
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Vanhentuvat tutkajärjestelmät suodattavat automaattisesti pois matalalla hitaasti lentävät kohteet. Jos laitteita säädetään herkemmälle, on väärien hälytysten sarja taukoamaton. Tutka ei erota droonia linnusta.
Ukrainan droonit yllättävät Moskovan kerta toisensa jälkeen – Tästä se johtuu
Moskova on maailman suojatuimpia kaupunkeja. Ukrainan lennokit kuitenkin läpäisevät kaupungin ilmapuolustuksen ja iskevät jopa kaikkein pyhimpään.
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ProFin
Majuri
Kastehelmi unohtaa myös päivittäisen ryssän isojen ammusvarikoiden yms. tuhoamisen. Miten noissa linjoissa pysytään, jos ammuttavaa ei ole?
Elkää nyt viittikö . Just muutamia sivuja sitten joku tiesi että' se on vaan taktiikkaa etteivät ammu niitä trooneja alas .
Se on niin mahtava ydinase supervalta ettei niiden vaan tarvi droonien takia käynnistää ilmatorjuntaa tai tutkia .
Koska sitten länsi/vihollinen näkisi miten ylivoimainen ilmapuolustus tositilanteessa löytyykin .
Se on niin mahtava ydinase supervalta ettei niiden vaan tarvi droonien takia käynnistää ilmatorjuntaa tai tutkia .
Koska sitten länsi/vihollinen näkisi miten ylivoimainen ilmapuolustus tositilanteessa löytyykin .
Antares
Respected Leader
Tuo on hyvä huomio: Venäjä tosiaan käytti menestyksekkäästi erilaisia losseja, kun heidän joukkojaan oli Dnipron länsipuolella.
Toki silloin oli myös Nova Kakhovkan patosilta ehjä ja käytettävissä, mutta lossiliikenne jatkui iskuista huolimatta.
Suoraan sanottuna sen sitkeys yllätti minut, samoin se että ryssä kykeni vetämään joukkoja ja kalustoa valtaosan pois joen yli vaikka Ukrainan joukot olivatkin lähellä. Edelleen, en tiedä, mikä osuus joukoista ja kalustosta siirtyi patosillan kautta ja mikä vietiin losseilla, mutta näkemäni perusteella lossiliikenteen hyödyllisyyttä ei kannata aliarvioida. Ryssällä on mm. Iskandereita (vähän ja harvoin käytettyjä vuonna 2023) sekä erilaisia liitopommeja, jotka voivat vaikeuttaa lossien käyttöä. Teoriassa myös Shahed-136/131 ja erilaiset risteilyohjukset saattavat olla vaaraksi, mutta Ukraina on osoittanut erinomaista kykyä näiden torjuntaan.
Toki raskaiden joukkojen huollon saaminen joen yli voi olla erityisen vaikeaa, mutta olisi myös mahdollista vetää joen yli polttoainelinja (mieluummin useita) ja suorittaa jakelu säiliöautoilla ja -yhdistelmillä joen itäpuolella. Kysyy toki pitkiä putkia ja pumppausasemia tietyin välimatkoin, mutta näin välttyy polttoaineen tuomiselta lauttoja käyttäen. Kaikki muu eli juomavesi, ruoka, ammukset yms. pitää toki tuoda tämän jälkeen, joten ei ole ihan helppo juttu.
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Lisää numeroita kuolleista ja haavoittuneista, tällä kertaa New York Times -artikkeli joka siteeraa Yhdysvaltain viranomaista:
Officials say Russia may have as many as 120,000 soldiers killed and 170,000 - 180,000 wounded and Ukraine may have up to 70,000 killed and 100,000 - 120,000 wounded.
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Aug. 18, 2023
U.S. officials said Ukraine had suffered close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.Credit...Mauricio Lima for The New York Times
By Helene Cooper, Thomas Gibbons-Neff, Eric Schmitt and Julian E. Barnes
Reporting from Washington and London
Aug. 18, 2023
Updated 11:50 a.m. ET
The total number of Ukrainian and Russian troops killed or wounded since the war in Ukraine began 18 months ago is nearing 500,000, U.S. officials said, a staggering toll as Russia assaults its next-door neighbor and tries to seize more territory.
The officials cautioned that casualty figures remained difficult to estimate because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures. But they said the slaughter intensified this year in eastern Ukraine and has continued at a steady clip as a nearly three-month-old counteroffensive drags on.
Russia’s military casualties, the officials said, are approaching 300,000. The number includes as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injured troops. The Russian numbers dwarf the Ukrainian figures, which the officials put at close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.
But Russians outnumber Ukrainians on the battlefield almost three to one, and Russia has a larger population from which to replenish its ranks.
Ukraine has around 500,000 troops, including active-duty, reserve and paramilitary troops, according to analysts. By contrast, Russia has almost triple that number, with 1,330,000 active-duty, reserve and paramilitary troops — most of the latter from the Wagner Group.
The Biden administration’s last public estimate of casualties came in November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed or wounded since the war began in February 2022. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000 killed and wounded.
But that number soared in the winter and spring, as the two countries turned the eastern city of Bakhmut into a killing field. Hundreds of troops were killed or injured a day for many weeks, U.S. officials said. The Russians took heavy casualties, but so too did the Ukrainians as they tried to hold every inch of ground before losing the city in May.
The opening weeks of Kyiv’s counteroffensive this summer were particularly difficult for Ukraine. In the early phase, Western-trained Ukrainian troops struggled to employ “combined arms maneuvers” — a method of fighting in which infantry, armor and artillery are used together in synchronized attacks.
Ukrainian troops initially tried to break through dug-in Russian lines with mechanized combined arms formations. Equipped with advanced American weapons, the Ukrainians nonetheless became bogged down in dense Russian minefields under constant fire from artillery and helicopter gunships.
Russia’s military casualties, U.S. officials said, are approaching 300,000.Credit...Mauricio Lima for The New York Times
In the first two weeks of the counteroffensive, as much as 20 percent of the weaponry Ukraine sent to the battlefield was damaged or destroyed, according to U.S. and European officials. The losses included some of the formidable Western fighting machines — tanks and armored personnel carriers — that the Ukrainians were counting on to beat back the Russians.
More significantly, thousands of troops were killed or wounded, officials said.
A senior U.S. official acknowledged the high number of Ukrainian casualties but said combined arms is “very, very hard.” He added that in recent days, Ukrainian troops have begun to punch through initial rings of Russian defenses.
In recent weeks, Ukraine has shifted its battlefield tactics, returning to its old ways of wearing down Russian forces with artillery and long-range missiles instead of plunging into minefields under fire.
American officials are worried that Ukraine’s adjustments will race through precious ammunition supplies, which could benefit President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and disadvantage Ukraine in a war of attrition. But Ukrainian commanders decided the pivot reduced casualties and preserved their frontline fighting force.
American officials say they fear that Ukraine has become casualty adverse, one reason it has been cautious about pressing ahead with the counteroffensive. Almost any big push against dug-in Russian defenders protected by minefields would result in huge numbers of losses.
In just a year and a half, Ukraine’s military deaths have already surpassed the number of American troops who died during the nearly two decades U.S. units were in Vietnam (roughly 58,000) and about equal the number of Afghan security forces killed over the entire war in Afghanistan, from 2001 to 2021 (around 69,000).
The number of dead and wounded reflects the amount of lethal munitions being expended by both sides. Thousands of rounds of artillery are fired every week, tanks batter buildings, land mines are everywhere and drones hover overhead picking off troops below. When close combat does occur, it resembles the battles of World War I: brutal and often taking place in trenches.
The numbers also point to a lack of rapid medical care on the frontline. Wounded soldiers are increasingly hard to evacuate given how much artillery and gunfire bookend each engagement. Unlike the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, where American forces strictly adhered to evacuating casualties within an hour to a well-stocked medical facility, there is no such capability in Ukraine.
Instead, injured troops are often thrown into any vehicle available or leave the front on foot. In some cases, the wounded and dead are left on the battlefield, because medics are unable to reach them. Hospitals and aid stations are often overwhelmed.
And across Ukraine, in big cities and rural villages, almost everyone knows a family that has lost someone in the fighting. Dry flowers from funerals litter quiet roads, and graveyards are filling up in every corner of the country.
The estimated figures for Ukraine and Russia are based on satellite imagery, communication intercepts, social media and news media dispatches from reporters in the country, as well as official reporting from both governments. Estimates vary, even within the U.S. government.
According to Pentagon documents leaked in the spring, Russia had suffered 189,500 to 223,000 casualties, including up to 43,000 killed in action. One document said that as of February, Ukraine had suffered 124,500 to 131,000 casualties, with as many as 17,500 killed in action.
Wounded soldiers are increasingly hard to evacuate.Credit...Emile Ducke for The New York Times
While several U.S. officials and one former senior Ukrainian official said about 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died in the conflict so far, other American officials said the number could be lower.
The estimates vary so widely partly because of Ukraine’s reluctance to disclose its wartime losses even to the American government. U.S. intelligence analysts have also spent much more time focusing on Russian casualties than those of Ukraine, their ally.
Russia analysts say the loss of life is unlikely to deter Mr. Putin. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced during World War II, when more than eight million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.
While Mr. Putin appears somewhat reluctant to initiate a widespread mobilization, he has raised the upper age limit for men eligible to be conscripted into the army. And should Russia decide to mobilize more people, its larger population could quickly overwhelm Ukrainian reserves of manpower.
The troop deaths could have a greater impact for Ukraine in a war that is far from over. And while combatants are dying in droves, the civilians caught between the guns have died in the thousands while millions have been displaced.
“These are people,” said Evelyn Farkas, a former top Pentagon official for Ukraine who is now the executive director of the McCain Institute.
“Ukraine is a democracy, so the loss of lives could have greater political impact,” Dr. Farkas said. “But even in an autocracy, Vladimir Putin knows that public sentiment can make a difference.”
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Andrew E. Kramer contributed to this report.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/...tion=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
Helene Cooper is a Pentagon correspondent. She was previously an editor, diplomatic correspondent and White House correspondent, and was part of the team awarded the 2015 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting, for its coverage of the Ebola epidemic. More about Helene Cooper
Thomas Gibbons-Neff is a Ukraine correspondent and a former Marine infantryman. More about Thomas Gibbons-Neff
Eric Schmitt is a senior writer who has traveled the world covering terrorism and national security. He was also the Pentagon correspondent. A member of the Times staff since 1983, he has shared four Pulitzer Prizes. More about Eric Schmitt
Julian E. Barnes is a national security reporter based in Washington, covering the intelligence agencies. Before joining The Times in 2018, he wrote about security matters for The Wall Street Journal. More about Julian E. Barnes
Officials say Russia may have as many as 120,000 soldiers killed and 170,000 - 180,000 wounded and Ukraine may have up to 70,000 killed and 100,000 - 120,000 wounded.
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Lainaan artikkelin teksti spoilerin taakse:
Troop Deaths and Injuries in Ukraine War Near 500,000, U.S. Officials Say
Ukraine and Russia have lost a staggering number of troops as Kyiv’s counteroffensive drags on. A lack of rapid medical care has added to the toll.Aug. 18, 2023
Troop Deaths and Injuries in Ukraine War Near 500,000, U.S. Officials Say
Ukraine and Russia have lost a staggering number of troops as Kyiv’s counteroffensive drags on. A lack of rapid medical care has added to the toll.
U.S. officials said Ukraine had suffered close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.Credit...Mauricio Lima for The New York Times
By Helene Cooper, Thomas Gibbons-Neff, Eric Schmitt and Julian E. Barnes
Reporting from Washington and London
Aug. 18, 2023
Updated 11:50 a.m. ET
The total number of Ukrainian and Russian troops killed or wounded since the war in Ukraine began 18 months ago is nearing 500,000, U.S. officials said, a staggering toll as Russia assaults its next-door neighbor and tries to seize more territory.
The officials cautioned that casualty figures remained difficult to estimate because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures. But they said the slaughter intensified this year in eastern Ukraine and has continued at a steady clip as a nearly three-month-old counteroffensive drags on.
Russia’s military casualties, the officials said, are approaching 300,000. The number includes as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injured troops. The Russian numbers dwarf the Ukrainian figures, which the officials put at close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.
But Russians outnumber Ukrainians on the battlefield almost three to one, and Russia has a larger population from which to replenish its ranks.
Ukraine has around 500,000 troops, including active-duty, reserve and paramilitary troops, according to analysts. By contrast, Russia has almost triple that number, with 1,330,000 active-duty, reserve and paramilitary troops — most of the latter from the Wagner Group.
The Biden administration’s last public estimate of casualties came in November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed or wounded since the war began in February 2022. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000 killed and wounded.
But that number soared in the winter and spring, as the two countries turned the eastern city of Bakhmut into a killing field. Hundreds of troops were killed or injured a day for many weeks, U.S. officials said. The Russians took heavy casualties, but so too did the Ukrainians as they tried to hold every inch of ground before losing the city in May.
The opening weeks of Kyiv’s counteroffensive this summer were particularly difficult for Ukraine. In the early phase, Western-trained Ukrainian troops struggled to employ “combined arms maneuvers” — a method of fighting in which infantry, armor and artillery are used together in synchronized attacks.
Ukrainian troops initially tried to break through dug-in Russian lines with mechanized combined arms formations. Equipped with advanced American weapons, the Ukrainians nonetheless became bogged down in dense Russian minefields under constant fire from artillery and helicopter gunships.
Russia’s military casualties, U.S. officials said, are approaching 300,000.Credit...Mauricio Lima for The New York Times
In the first two weeks of the counteroffensive, as much as 20 percent of the weaponry Ukraine sent to the battlefield was damaged or destroyed, according to U.S. and European officials. The losses included some of the formidable Western fighting machines — tanks and armored personnel carriers — that the Ukrainians were counting on to beat back the Russians.
More significantly, thousands of troops were killed or wounded, officials said.
A senior U.S. official acknowledged the high number of Ukrainian casualties but said combined arms is “very, very hard.” He added that in recent days, Ukrainian troops have begun to punch through initial rings of Russian defenses.
In recent weeks, Ukraine has shifted its battlefield tactics, returning to its old ways of wearing down Russian forces with artillery and long-range missiles instead of plunging into minefields under fire.
American officials are worried that Ukraine’s adjustments will race through precious ammunition supplies, which could benefit President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and disadvantage Ukraine in a war of attrition. But Ukrainian commanders decided the pivot reduced casualties and preserved their frontline fighting force.
American officials say they fear that Ukraine has become casualty adverse, one reason it has been cautious about pressing ahead with the counteroffensive. Almost any big push against dug-in Russian defenders protected by minefields would result in huge numbers of losses.
In just a year and a half, Ukraine’s military deaths have already surpassed the number of American troops who died during the nearly two decades U.S. units were in Vietnam (roughly 58,000) and about equal the number of Afghan security forces killed over the entire war in Afghanistan, from 2001 to 2021 (around 69,000).
The number of dead and wounded reflects the amount of lethal munitions being expended by both sides. Thousands of rounds of artillery are fired every week, tanks batter buildings, land mines are everywhere and drones hover overhead picking off troops below. When close combat does occur, it resembles the battles of World War I: brutal and often taking place in trenches.
The numbers also point to a lack of rapid medical care on the frontline. Wounded soldiers are increasingly hard to evacuate given how much artillery and gunfire bookend each engagement. Unlike the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, where American forces strictly adhered to evacuating casualties within an hour to a well-stocked medical facility, there is no such capability in Ukraine.
Instead, injured troops are often thrown into any vehicle available or leave the front on foot. In some cases, the wounded and dead are left on the battlefield, because medics are unable to reach them. Hospitals and aid stations are often overwhelmed.
And across Ukraine, in big cities and rural villages, almost everyone knows a family that has lost someone in the fighting. Dry flowers from funerals litter quiet roads, and graveyards are filling up in every corner of the country.
The estimated figures for Ukraine and Russia are based on satellite imagery, communication intercepts, social media and news media dispatches from reporters in the country, as well as official reporting from both governments. Estimates vary, even within the U.S. government.
According to Pentagon documents leaked in the spring, Russia had suffered 189,500 to 223,000 casualties, including up to 43,000 killed in action. One document said that as of February, Ukraine had suffered 124,500 to 131,000 casualties, with as many as 17,500 killed in action.
Wounded soldiers are increasingly hard to evacuate.Credit...Emile Ducke for The New York Times
While several U.S. officials and one former senior Ukrainian official said about 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers had died in the conflict so far, other American officials said the number could be lower.
The estimates vary so widely partly because of Ukraine’s reluctance to disclose its wartime losses even to the American government. U.S. intelligence analysts have also spent much more time focusing on Russian casualties than those of Ukraine, their ally.
Russia analysts say the loss of life is unlikely to deter Mr. Putin. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced during World War II, when more than eight million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.
While Mr. Putin appears somewhat reluctant to initiate a widespread mobilization, he has raised the upper age limit for men eligible to be conscripted into the army. And should Russia decide to mobilize more people, its larger population could quickly overwhelm Ukrainian reserves of manpower.
The troop deaths could have a greater impact for Ukraine in a war that is far from over. And while combatants are dying in droves, the civilians caught between the guns have died in the thousands while millions have been displaced.
“These are people,” said Evelyn Farkas, a former top Pentagon official for Ukraine who is now the executive director of the McCain Institute.
“Ukraine is a democracy, so the loss of lives could have greater political impact,” Dr. Farkas said. “But even in an autocracy, Vladimir Putin knows that public sentiment can make a difference.”
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Andrew E. Kramer contributed to this report.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/...tion=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
Helene Cooper is a Pentagon correspondent. She was previously an editor, diplomatic correspondent and White House correspondent, and was part of the team awarded the 2015 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting, for its coverage of the Ebola epidemic. More about Helene Cooper
Thomas Gibbons-Neff is a Ukraine correspondent and a former Marine infantryman. More about Thomas Gibbons-Neff
Eric Schmitt is a senior writer who has traveled the world covering terrorism and national security. He was also the Pentagon correspondent. A member of the Times staff since 1983, he has shared four Pulitzer Prizes. More about Eric Schmitt
Julian E. Barnes is a national security reporter based in Washington, covering the intelligence agencies. Before joining The Times in 2018, he wrote about security matters for The Wall Street Journal. More about Julian E. Barnes
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) hyvän mielen video perjantain kunniaksi.
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Kenraali
Jos vielä laittaisi toisen postauksen yleistä ja täysin turhaa lätinää tähän ketjuun: tässä sodassa on suuri(n?) ongelma se että sen jatkuminen ei heilauta enää juuri ketään paitsi ukrainalaisia, zenäläisiä ei lasketa.Kyllä ne menevät yli niin että heilahtaa jo ennen joulua...hyvä jos Kiinassa pysähtyvät
Putin on olosuhteiden pakosta luopunut koko Ukrainan valtaamisesta jo ajat sitten ja siinä mielessä Ukraina on voittanut jo paljon. Miten tämä sota aikanaan päättyy on vielä auki mutta jos Ukraina pääsee Krimille niin se on Putinin loppu. Tuossa ikuisesti perseilevässä naapurimaassa heikko johtaja on entinen johtaja.
Parasta olisi kun Venäläiset hirttäisivät Putinin sähköpylvääseen ja tilalle tulisi joku joka elää vaihtoehtotodellisuuden sijasta ihan oikeassa todellisuudessa ja joka on siirtynyt ja siirtänyt myös päänsä tälle vuosituhannelle. Vaikka ikuinen optimisti olenkin niin tuohon vaihtoehtoon en kykene mitenkään uskomaan. Ei onnistu vaikka kittaisin Vodkaa kolme pulloa päivässä kuten Medvedev nykyään tekee.
Kyllä tämä menee pitkän kaavan kautta ja Ukraina haluaa mennä päätyyn saakka.
Täysin presidentistä ja valtapuolueesta riippumatta tämä sota on USAn etu ja siksi en millään usko että apu Ukrainalle loppuisi vaikka "orange man bad" nousisi taas valkoiseen taloon.
Kiinaa ja muita Kaukoidän valtioita tämä sota lopputuloksineen ei heilauta mihinkään vaan päin vastoin se voi hyvinkin luoda mahdollisuuksia "korjata historiallisia vääryyksiä", etenkin jos zenäjä häviää ns. 3-0. Mahtavinta valtiota eli Kiinaa koko tilanne taatusti naurattaa, niin tai näin kassa kilisee ja valta lähialueilla lisääntyy.
Lähi-itä saattaa hyvinkin myös nähdä mahdollisuuksia johonkin, siis Turkki ja Iran. Melkein kaikki -stanithan ovat heidän sukulaisiaan ja monenlaisia mahdollisuuksia olisi.. Varmaa on se ettei kumpikaan ole zenäjän ystävä, ei ennen, ei nyt ja tuskin myöhemminkään.. Joku Syyrian pikkudiktaattori on pelin pelle kuten tietysti se Paremman Korean kimikin.
Afrikka ja Etelä-Amerikka, ohhoijaa. Joku gebardisuikka ja kommunisti jotain höpöttelee, ei mitään väliä yhtään mihinkään. Keskivertoasukas ko. alueilla ei löytäisi zenäjää saati Ukrainaa edes karttapallolta, taloudellisesti zenäjä on kääpiö. Venezuelasta apuja zenäjälle, vai Nicaraguasta? Kuubalaisetkin tuntuvat olevan hiljaa..
Sodan kärsijöitä ovat siis Ukrainan kansa, eurooppalaiset, ja tietysti ne vatnikit. Eurooppalaiset toki joukon vähiten ja jos sota aiheuttaa sen että päät alkavat täälläkin vähän toimia niin loppupeleissä sota on jopa meidänkin etu.
Koko maailmahan tässä tuli suurin piirtein käytyä läpi
Joo, Fostersin myynti zenäjällä on varmaan laskenut tai loppunut.
Antares
Respected Leader
Mielenkiintoinen kuva "ei-neuvostolähtöisten" asejärjestelmien toimitusten aikataulusta, tai tarkemmin ottaen ilmoituksesta toimitukseen.
I made an update to my statistic regarding the announcement and delivery dates of non-Soviet heavy weapons systems for Ukraine.
As always:
If you have suggestions; questions or something else, feel free to ask me
Additional information and sources are below
I made an update to my statistic regarding the announcement and delivery dates of non-Soviet heavy weapons systems for Ukraine.
As always:
If you have suggestions; questions or something else, feel free to ask me
Additional information and sources are below
Se siitä onnistuneesta heittoistuin hypystä.
moikkari
Luutnantti
Itselleni nousi kaksi asiaa:
"American officials say they fear that Ukraine has become casualty adverse"
Ensinnäkin, kyllä Ukrainalla on kovat tappiot edelleen, tässä mm. video kun 47th mekanisoitu prikaati evakuoi haavoittuneita, ei ole hääviä katsoa. En usko että kyseessä on "casulalty adverse" ongelma, lähinnä ongelma on tuo miinakenttä, ja se että Ukrainalla ei ole selkeätä miesylivoimaa.
Toisekseen, miksi USA:laiset luulee että Ukraina häviäisi kulutussodassa? Onko lännellä tarkoitus lopettaa toimitukset Ukrainalle?
"American officials are worried that Ukraine’s adjustments will race through precious ammunition supplies, which could benefit President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and disadvantage Ukraine in a war of attrition."
Itseasiassa samaa totesi myös Jarmo Lindberg ja Käihkö vähän aikaa sitten:
"Sekä Lindberg että Käihkö arvioivat, että Ukrainan nyt mahdollisesti valitsema kulutussota suosii pitkässä juoksussa Venäjää. Kremlillä on Ukrainaa enemmän teollisuutta, väkeä, ammuksia ja kalustoa."
Mutta en käsitä tätä argumenttia, koska länsi tuottaa Ukrainalle aseistuksen, ainut millon kulutussota voisi suosia ryssää on, että länsi lopettaisi Ukrainan tukemisen!
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Majuri
Nämä ko. harrastajat tutkivat karttaa juu ja unohtavat muut taistelukenttään vaikuttavat seikat, kuten vihollisen moraalin, huollon haasteet ja esimerkiksi jatkuvan ammusvarastojen ja johtokeskusten eliminoinnin. Kun nyt katsoo YE-koulutuksen saaneiden sotilaiden kausuntoja, niin ne painivat aivan eri sarjassa kun näiden "erikoistoimttaja asiantuntijoiden" Ukraina lyö jatkuvaa painetta ryssän linjaan ja sieltä tulee löytymään se heikko kohta ja homma menee sen jälkeen ryssillä käsille. Myös Venäjän kehityukseen liittyviä seikkoja ei saa unohtaa. Seuraava vallankaappausyritys tai talouden totaalinen sakkaaminen saattaa olla sellainen musta joutsen, joka vaikuttaa myös sodankäyntiin.
Antares
Respected Leader
Martin Tuiteron tuoreesta ketjusta poiminta, yhtä Oryxin miestä haastateltu. Kysymys heidän numeroistaan ja arviosta, paljonko jää näkemättä / laskematta.
Hän vastaa että etulinjan tappioista arvioisi, että 10-20% jää laskematta.
Takalinjan tappioista (listaa komentoajoneuvot, kuorma-autot) helposti puolet tai enemmän.
Nämä ovat toki arvioita vain, mutta sanoisin että valistuneita sellaisia (heidän omat numeronsa kuitenkin kyseessä ja tietää, millaisesta materiaalista ne on koottu).
Excellent work, Yago:
P. Are you telling us that the numbers can be twice what we already counted?
R. In the first line team I expect 10-20% of what has already been documented. Rear line equipment like command vehicles, trucks, easily double or more.
Thanks, Iago.
The bias was that Oryx Team is documenting losses that are 10-20% lower than frontline and 50% lower than rear. Not counting what they take.
Hän vastaa että etulinjan tappioista arvioisi, että 10-20% jää laskematta.
Takalinjan tappioista (listaa komentoajoneuvot, kuorma-autot) helposti puolet tai enemmän.
Nämä ovat toki arvioita vain, mutta sanoisin että valistuneita sellaisia (heidän omat numeronsa kuitenkin kyseessä ja tietää, millaisesta materiaalista ne on koottu).
Excellent work, Yago:
P. Are you telling us that the numbers can be twice what we already counted?
R. In the first line team I expect 10-20% of what has already been documented. Rear line equipment like command vehicles, trucks, easily double or more.
Thanks, Iago.
The bias was that Oryx Team is documenting losses that are 10-20% lower than frontline and 50% lower than rear. Not counting what they take.
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