Ukrainan konflikti/sota

Yöllä Venäjän ohjus iski suurta amerikkalaista elektroniikan valmistajaa vastaan Transkarpatiassa, Flex-tehtaaseen.

"Täysin siviilikohde, joka ei liity millään tavalla puolustukseen tai sotilaallisiin asioihin", sanoo ulkoministeri Andrii Sybiga. Ohjusiskun aikana Flex-tehtaassa Mukatševessa oli 600 työntekijää, jotka ehdittiin viedä turvapaikkaan, kertoo toimittaja Glagola.
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Märkä, märempi, märin uni. Toivottavasti ei tarvitse kauaa odottaa.
Siihen on syynsä miksi ryssiä on alkanut kiinnostaa neuvottelut, ei sielläkään tiedustelu ole täysin unessa ja varmasti jollain tasolla ovat tietoisia Ukrainan ohjus/droonituotannon kehittymisestä ja ynnäilevät yhteen mitä tulee tapahtumaan mikäli tosiaan kapasiteetti voisi olla pian 200 per kk tai edes puolet siitä ja droonien määrät yli 4000 per kuukausi.

Joku osaa laskea sielläkin mitä niillä voisi saada aikaan vaikka torjunta onnistuisi hyvin/kohtuullisesti, mikäli track record olisi yhtä sysipaskaa kuin tähän mennessä niin koko läntinen Venäjä on syksyn mittaan sitten liekeissä juuri siellä missä sen ei heidän näkökulmastaan kestäisi olla. Ja ne vahingot ovat sitten monilta osin peruuttamattomia, koska pääomia rakentaa sitä laitekantaan takaisin ei ole eikä tule koskaan olemaan.

Päälle sitten ne ballistiset jossain vaiheessa, joiden torjunta jäänee haaveeksi nähdyn perusteella.
 
Viime yönä örkeillä massiivinen droonihyökkäys, olisiko suurin tähän mennessä. Torjuttiin loistavin tuloksin, mikä tarkoittaa sitä että keskiössä oli varmaan Kiova ja muita suuria kaupunkeja, joilla on vakioitunut mopeditorjunta.

 
🇺🇦 Zelenskyi reagoi Venäjän hyökkäykseen Ukrainassa:

"Tänä yönä Venäjän armeija saavutti jälleen yhden järjettömistä antiennätyksistään. Hyökkäsi siviili-infrastruktuurikohteisiin, asuinrakennuksiin, meidän ihmisiimme. Käyttivät useita risteilyohjuksia amerikkalaista yritystä vastaan Zakarpattjassa. Kyseessä oli tavallinen siviilialan yritys, amerikkalaisia investointeja. Siellä tuotettiin täysin tavallisia arjen asioita, kuten kahvinkeittimiä. Ja tämäkin oli venäläisten mielestä kohde. Todella paljastavaa. Yrityksessä sammutetaan yhä tulipaloa. Tämänhetkisten tietojen mukaan hyökkäyksessä loukkaantui 15 henkilöä. Kaikille heille on annettu tarvittava apu.

Pelastajat työskentelevät myös monilla muilla alueilla – Zaporižiasta Volyniin. Yhteensä yöllä Ukrainaa vastaan käytettiin 574 hyökkäysdroonia ja 40 rakettia. Merkittävä osa saatiin alas, mutta valitettavasti ei kaikkia. Venäjä teki tämän iskun ikään kuin mikään ei olisi muuttumassa. Ikään kuin maailman pyrkimykset rauhan saavuttamiseksi eivät vaikuttaisi mitenkään sodan lopettamiseen. Tarvitaan vastauksia tähän. Moskova ei ole vieläkään antanut mitään merkkiä siitä, että olisi valmis aloittamaan merkityksellisiä neuvotteluja ja lopettamaan sodan. Tarvitaan painetta. Voimakkaita pakotteita, vahvoja toimenpiteitä.
Kiitos kaikille, jotka auttavat!"
 
"Associated Pressin raportista Ukrainan dronejen ja risteilyohjusten tuotannosta:

Ukrainasta on tulossa puolustusteollisuuden 'Piilaakso'. Kesällä 2023 yhdelle puolustusalan yritykselle asetettiin tavoitteeksi valmistaa 30 dronea kuukaudessa. Nyt yritys tuottaa noin 100 dronea päivässä. FP-1-dronen taistelukuorma on 60 kilogrammaa, ja sen toimintasäde mahdollistaa iskut syvälle Venäjän alueelle, mukaan lukien öljynjalostamoihin ja asevarastoihin kohdistuvat iskut. Nämä iskut ovat auttaneet hidastamaan Venäjän etenemistä 1000 kilometrin pituisella rintamaviivalla, missä armeijan yksiköt raportoivat tykistötulen voimakkuuden merkittävästä vähenemisestä.

Ensimmäinen ukrainalainen FP-5 (Flamingo) -risteilyohjus kykenee lentämään 3000 kilometrin matkan ja kuljettamaan 1150 kilogramman taistelukärjen. Sen osumatarkkuus on 14 metriä maalista. Nykyisin Fire Point -yritys valmistaa noin yhden Flamingo-risteilyohjuksen päivässä, mutta lokakuuhun mennessä tuotantokapasiteettia suunnitellaan nostettavan seitsemään ohjukseen päivässä.
Tämän mukaan nimenomaan FP-1 tekee nyt 60% näistä kaukoiskuista. Hinta 50 000 euroa / kappale.

Voisi päätellä, että viime viikkojen onnistuneet iskut ovat seurausta FP-1 tuotannon onnistuneesta skaalaamisesta, näitä tulee jo 100 päivässä.

Filmikuvassa tuo taitaa vain vilahtaa, enemmän näytetään tätä Flamingoa.

 
Yks unohtu: Sähkön tuotanto ja jakelu. Nyt alkas oleen pikkuhiljaa aika laittaa etelä-ryssälä pimeeks, vaikeuttaa hieman raideliikennettäkin jos ei rautateillä kuljeta ku dieselin voimalla.
Speer tai joku muu taisi todeta, että Natsi-Saksan koko sähköverkko oli hiuskarvan varassa pitkään. Oliko niin että jos liittoutuneet olisi pommittaneet yhdenkin isomman sähkölaitoksen paskaksi, olisi kyykännyt koko maan sähköverkko.
 
"Flamingo" ohjuksen tuotannosta julkaistun AP-artikkelin koko teksti (artikkeli julkaistu 21.8.2025):

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-drones-weapons-industry-russia-7201ab851544c394ee454407058b10ba

A Ukrainian startup develops long-range drones and missiles to take the battle to Russia


Artikkelin alussa on 55 sekuntia pitkä video, se on jaettu mm. tässä twiitissä:


Videon kuvaus artikkelissa:

Spurred by its existential fight against Russia -- and limited military assistance from Western allies -- Ukraine has fast become a global center for defense innovation. The goal is to match, if not outmuscle, Russia’s capabilities -- and Fire Point is one of the companies leading the way. The Associated Press was granted an exclusive look inside one of Fire Point’s dozens of covert factories. (AP video shot by Alex Babenko)

By SAMYA KULLAB and EFREM LUKATSKY

Updated 10:36 AM UTC+3, August 21, 2025


When a Ukrainian-made drone attacked an ammunition depot in Russia last September, it showcased Kyiv’s determination to strike deep behind enemy lines and the prowess of its defense industry.

The moment was especially gratifying for the woman in charge of manufacturing the drones that flew more than 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) to carry out this mission. For months after, Russia no longer had the means to keep up devastating glide bomb attacks like the one that had just targeted her native city of Kharkiv.

“Fighting in the air is our only real asymmetric advantage on the battlefield at the moment. We don’t have as much manpower or money as they have,” said Iryna Terekh, head of production at Fire Point.

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Workers inspect a Flamingo cruise missile at Fire Point’s secret factory in Ukraine on Monday, Aug. 18, 2025. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


Terekh spoke as she surveyed dozens of “deep-strike drones” that had recently come off the assembly line and would soon be used by Ukrainian forces to attack arms depots, oil refineries and other targets vital to the Kremlin’s war machine and economy.

Spurred by its existential fight against Russia — and limited military assistance from Western allies — Ukraine has fast become a global center for defense innovation. The goal is to match, if not outmuscle, Russia’s capabilities — and Fire Point is one of the companies leading the way.

The Associated Press was granted an exclusive look inside one of Fire Point’s dozens of covert factories. In a sprawling warehouse where rock music blared, executives showed off their signature FP-1 exploding drones that can travel up to 1,600 kilometers (994 miles). They also touted publicly for the first time a cruise missile they are developing that is capable of traveling 3,000 kilometers (1,864 miles), and which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hopes will be mass-produced by the end of the year.

Even as U.S. President Donald Trump presses for an end to the 3 1/2-year war — and dangles the prospect of U.S. support for NATO-like security guarantees — Ukrainian defense officials say their country is determined to become more self-sufficient in deterring Russia.

“We believe our best guarantee is not relying on somebody’s will to protect us, but rather our ability to protect ourselves,” said Arsen Zhumadilov, the head of the country’s arms procurement agency.

Ukraine’s government is now purchasing about $10 billion of weapons annually from domestic manufacturers. The industry has the capacity to sell triple that amount, officials say, and they believe sales to European allies could help it reach such potential in a matter of years.

Drone innovation grew out of necessity

Like most defense companies in Ukraine, Fire Point grew out of necessity after Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022. Despite pleas from Ukrainian military officials, Western countries were unwilling to allow Kyiv to use their allies’ longer-range weapons to strike targets deep inside Russian territory.

That’s when a group of close friends, experts from various fields, set out to mass-produce inexpensive drones that could match the potency of Iranian-made Shahed drones that Russia was firing into Ukraine with devastating consequences.

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A worker inspects a combat drone at Fire Point’s secret factory in Ukraine on Monday, Aug. 18, 2025. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


The company’s founders spoke with AP on the condition of anonymity out of concern for their safety and the security of their factories.

By pooling together knowledge from construction, game design and architecture, the company’s founders — who had no background in defense — came up with novel designs for drones that could fly further and strike with greater precision than most products already on the market. Their long-range drones had another benefit: they did not need to take off from an air field.

When Terekh — an architect — was hired in the summer of 2023, she was given a goal of producing 30 drones per month. Now the company makes roughly 100 per day, at a cost of $55,000 apiece.

The FP-1 looks more like a hastily made science project than something that would roll off the production lines of the world’s biggest defense contractors. “We removed unneeded, flashy glittery stuff,” she said.

But the FP-1 has been extremely effective on the battlefield.

With a payload of explosives weighing 60 kilograms (132 pounds), it is responsible for 60% of strikes deep inside Russian territory, including hits on oil refineries and weapons depots, according to Terekh. These strikes have helped to slow Russia’s advance along the 1,000 kilometer-long (620 mile-long) front line in eastern Ukraine, where army units have reported a sharp decline in artillery fire.

“I think the best drones, or among the best, are Ukrainian drones,” said Claude Chenuil, a former French military official who now works for a trade group that focuses on defense. “When the war in Ukraine ends, they will flood the market.”


Ukraine is becoming the ‘Silicon Valley’ of defense

Fire Point’s story is not entirely unique. Soon after Russia’s 2022 invasion, hundreds of defense companies sprouted almost overnight. The Ukrainian government incentivized innovation by relaxing regulations and making it easier for startups to work directly with military brigades.

Patriotic entrepreneurs in metallurgy, construction and information technology built facilities for researching and making weapons and munitions, with an emphasis on drones. The ongoing war allowed them to test out ideas almost immediately on the battlefield, and to quickly adapt to Russia’s changing tactics.

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A worker carries part of a combat drone at Fire Point’s secret factory in Ukraine on Thursday, Aug. 14, 2025. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


“Ukraine is in this very unique moment now where it is becoming, de facto, the Silicon Valley of defense,” said Ukrainian defense entrepreneur Yaroslav Azhnyuk. “The biggest strategic asset that we have is that we have been at war with Russia for 11 years.”

A case in point: Fire Point had initially sourced navigational equipment for its drones from a major Western firm, but before long Russia was able to disrupt their effectiveness using electronic warfare; so Fire Point developed its own software to outwit the enemy.

Because defense companies are high-value targets for Russia, many operate underground or hidden within civilian centers to evade detection. Although they are guarded by air defenses, the strategy has the disadvantage of putting civilians at risk. Many Ukrainians have died in imprecise Russian attacks that were likely targeting weapons facilities. Entrepreneurs said the alternative is to operate openly and face attacks that would set back the war effort.

Supplies of drones don’t last long

On the day AP reporters visited the Fire Point factory, there were dozens of drones awaiting delivery. They would all be gone within 72 hours, shipped to the battlefield in inconspicuous cargo trucks.

The Fire Point team receives regular feedback from army units, and the company has reinvested most profits toward innovating quickly to keep pace with other drone makers. Increasingly, those profits are being directed to develop a new, more potent weapon.

The company completed testing this year for its first cruise missile, the FP-5. Capable of traveling 3,000 kilometers (1,864 miles) and landing within 14 meters (45 feet) of its target, the FP-5 is one of the largest such missile in the world, delivering a payload of 1,150 kilograms (2,535 pounds), independent experts said. Because initial versions of the missile came out pink after a factory error, they called it the Flamingo — and the name has stuck.

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Flamingo missiles are seen at Fire Point’s secret factory in Ukraine on Monday, Aug. 18, 2025. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


Fire Point is producing roughly one Flamingo per day, and by October they hope to build capacity to make seven per day, Terekh said.

Even as Zelenskyy and other Ukrainian officials pursue ways to end the war, Terekh said she is skeptical that Russia will accept terms for a real peace. “We are preparing for a bigger, much scarier war.”

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Associated Press journalist Dmytro Zhyhinas contributed to this report.

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AP:n julkaisemalta videolta on bongattu numeroita tuotannossa olleiden ohjusten kyljistä (looginen oletus olisi että kyseessä on ko. dronen "sarjanumero" mutta numeron suuruus herättää kysymyksiä eli jos näitä on valmistettu useita satoja, miksi niillä ei ole tehty iskuja tiuhempaan):

Flamingo, 479 and 480

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Viimeksi muokattu:
Ukraina iski viime yönä Krimillä sijaitsevalle Khersones sotilaslentokentälle, tässä kirjoitetaan että kohteena olisi ollut ryssän UAV-joukot siellä sekä dronejen varasto (FIRMS kuvien perusteella siellä on jonkinlainen tulipalo):

Last night, UA conducted a successful strike on a Russian UAV squadron base and drone storage depot at the Khersones Airfield in Occupied Sevastopol, UA.

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"Flamingo" ohjuksen tuotannosta julkaistun AP-artikkelin koko teksti (artikkeli julkaistu 21.8.2025):

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-drones-weapons-industry-russia-7201ab851544c394ee454407058b10ba

A Ukrainian startup develops long-range drones and missiles to take the battle to Russia


Artikkelin alussa on 55 sekuntia pitkä video, se on jaettu mm. tässä twiitissä:


Videon kuvaus artikkelissa:

Spurred by its existential fight against Russia -- and limited military assistance from Western allies -- Ukraine has fast become a global center for defense innovation. The goal is to match, if not outmuscle, Russia’s capabilities -- and Fire Point is one of the companies leading the way. The Associated Press was granted an exclusive look inside one of Fire Point’s dozens of covert factories. (AP video shot by Alex Babenko)

By SAMYA KULLAB and EFREM LUKATSKY

Updated 10:36 AM UTC+3, August 21, 2025


When a Ukrainian-made drone attacked an ammunition depot in Russia last September, it showcased Kyiv’s determination to strike deep behind enemy lines and the prowess of its defense industry.

The moment was especially gratifying for the woman in charge of manufacturing the drones that flew more than 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) to carry out this mission. For months after, Russia no longer had the means to keep up devastating glide bomb attacks like the one that had just targeted her native city of Kharkiv.

“Fighting in the air is our only real asymmetric advantage on the battlefield at the moment. We don’t have as much manpower or money as they have,” said Iryna Terekh, head of production at Fire Point.

Katso liite: 124013
Workers inspect a Flamingo cruise missile at Fire Point’s secret factory in Ukraine on Monday, Aug. 18, 2025. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


Terekh spoke as she surveyed dozens of “deep-strike drones” that had recently come off the assembly line and would soon be used by Ukrainian forces to attack arms depots, oil refineries and other targets vital to the Kremlin’s war machine and economy.

Spurred by its existential fight against Russia — and limited military assistance from Western allies — Ukraine has fast become a global center for defense innovation. The goal is to match, if not outmuscle, Russia’s capabilities — and Fire Point is one of the companies leading the way.

The Associated Press was granted an exclusive look inside one of Fire Point’s dozens of covert factories. In a sprawling warehouse where rock music blared, executives showed off their signature FP-1 exploding drones that can travel up to 1,600 kilometers (994 miles). They also touted publicly for the first time a cruise missile they are developing that is capable of traveling 3,000 kilometers (1,864 miles), and which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hopes will be mass-produced by the end of the year.

Even as U.S. President Donald Trump presses for an end to the 3 1/2-year war — and dangles the prospect of U.S. support for NATO-like security guarantees — Ukrainian defense officials say their country is determined to become more self-sufficient in deterring Russia.

“We believe our best guarantee is not relying on somebody’s will to protect us, but rather our ability to protect ourselves,” said Arsen Zhumadilov, the head of the country’s arms procurement agency.

Ukraine’s government is now purchasing about $10 billion of weapons annually from domestic manufacturers. The industry has the capacity to sell triple that amount, officials say, and they believe sales to European allies could help it reach such potential in a matter of years.

Drone innovation grew out of necessity

Like most defense companies in Ukraine, Fire Point grew out of necessity after Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022. Despite pleas from Ukrainian military officials, Western countries were unwilling to allow Kyiv to use their allies’ longer-range weapons to strike targets deep inside Russian territory.

That’s when a group of close friends, experts from various fields, set out to mass-produce inexpensive drones that could match the potency of Iranian-made Shahed drones that Russia was firing into Ukraine with devastating consequences.

Katso liite: 124012
A worker inspects a combat drone at Fire Point’s secret factory in Ukraine on Monday, Aug. 18, 2025. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


The company’s founders spoke with AP on the condition of anonymity out of concern for their safety and the security of their factories.

By pooling together knowledge from construction, game design and architecture, the company’s founders — who had no background in defense — came up with novel designs for drones that could fly further and strike with greater precision than most products already on the market. Their long-range drones had another benefit: they did not need to take off from an air field.

When Terekh — an architect — was hired in the summer of 2023, she was given a goal of producing 30 drones per month. Now the company makes roughly 100 per day, at a cost of $55,000 apiece.

The FP-1 looks more like a hastily made science project than something that would roll off the production lines of the world’s biggest defense contractors. “We removed unneeded, flashy glittery stuff,” she said.

But the FP-1 has been extremely effective on the battlefield.

With a payload of explosives weighing 60 kilograms (132 pounds), it is responsible for 60% of strikes deep inside Russian territory, including hits on oil refineries and weapons depots, according to Terekh. These strikes have helped to slow Russia’s advance along the 1,000 kilometer-long (620 mile-long) front line in eastern Ukraine, where army units have reported a sharp decline in artillery fire.

“I think the best drones, or among the best, are Ukrainian drones,” said Claude Chenuil, a former French military official who now works for a trade group that focuses on defense. “When the war in Ukraine ends, they will flood the market.”


Ukraine is becoming the ‘Silicon Valley’ of defense

Fire Point’s story is not entirely unique. Soon after Russia’s 2022 invasion, hundreds of defense companies sprouted almost overnight. The Ukrainian government incentivized innovation by relaxing regulations and making it easier for startups to work directly with military brigades.

Patriotic entrepreneurs in metallurgy, construction and information technology built facilities for researching and making weapons and munitions, with an emphasis on drones. The ongoing war allowed them to test out ideas almost immediately on the battlefield, and to quickly adapt to Russia’s changing tactics.

Katso liite: 124011
A worker carries part of a combat drone at Fire Point’s secret factory in Ukraine on Thursday, Aug. 14, 2025. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


“Ukraine is in this very unique moment now where it is becoming, de facto, the Silicon Valley of defense,” said Ukrainian defense entrepreneur Yaroslav Azhnyuk. “The biggest strategic asset that we have is that we have been at war with Russia for 11 years.”

A case in point: Fire Point had initially sourced navigational equipment for its drones from a major Western firm, but before long Russia was able to disrupt their effectiveness using electronic warfare; so Fire Point developed its own software to outwit the enemy.

Because defense companies are high-value targets for Russia, many operate underground or hidden within civilian centers to evade detection. Although they are guarded by air defenses, the strategy has the disadvantage of putting civilians at risk. Many Ukrainians have died in imprecise Russian attacks that were likely targeting weapons facilities. Entrepreneurs said the alternative is to operate openly and face attacks that would set back the war effort.

Supplies of drones don’t last long

On the day AP reporters visited the Fire Point factory, there were dozens of drones awaiting delivery. They would all be gone within 72 hours, shipped to the battlefield in inconspicuous cargo trucks.

The Fire Point team receives regular feedback from army units, and the company has reinvested most profits toward innovating quickly to keep pace with other drone makers. Increasingly, those profits are being directed to develop a new, more potent weapon.

The company completed testing this year for its first cruise missile, the FP-5. Capable of traveling 3,000 kilometers (1,864 miles) and landing within 14 meters (45 feet) of its target, the FP-5 is one of the largest such missile in the world, delivering a payload of 1,150 kilograms (2,535 pounds), independent experts said. Because initial versions of the missile came out pink after a factory error, they called it the Flamingo — and the name has stuck.

Katso liite: 124010
Flamingo missiles are seen at Fire Point’s secret factory in Ukraine on Monday, Aug. 18, 2025. (AP Photo/Efrem Lukatsky)


Fire Point is producing roughly one Flamingo per day, and by October they hope to build capacity to make seven per day, Terekh said.

Even as Zelenskyy and other Ukrainian officials pursue ways to end the war, Terekh said she is skeptical that Russia will accept terms for a real peace. “We are preparing for a bigger, much scarier war.”

___

Associated Press journalist Dmytro Zhyhinas contributed to this report.

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AP:n julkaisemalta videolta on bongattu numeroita tuotannossa olleiden ohjusten kyljistä:

Flamingo, 479 and 480

Katso liite: 124014

Tuo voi olla osan numero eikä tiedetä montako on mennyt hylkyyn ennen kuin ovat menneet toleranssien mukaisesti.
 
Tuo voi olla osan numero eikä tiedetä montako on mennyt hylkyyn ennen kuin ovat menneet toleranssien mukaisesti.

Totta, tosin kuvassa ei näy muita numeroita eli vain tuo yksi per ohjus. Numero voisi merkitä ohjuksen rungon numeroa, minkä jälkeen rungon sisälle pitää tietysti asentaa muut toiminnalliset komponentit. Jos runkojen valmistus on selvästi nopeampaa kuin varsinainen kokoonpano, se selittäisi miksi se on niin suuri.

Muitakin selityksiä tietysti on:

1) numerointia ei ole aloitettu nollasta
2) tehdas käyttää yhtä juoksevaa numeroa kaikelle tuotannolleen eli tuossa on mukana muitakin kuin "Flamingot"
3) numero on kirjoitettu tätä videota varten eli tahallaan hämätään ryssää

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Aina varovainen Tatarigami_UA on huolissaan näin tarkan videon julkaisemisesta, mikä helpottaa tehtaan geopaikannusta ja sitä vastaan iskemistä:

News of Ukrainian missile production (Flamingo missile) is inspiring, both at home and abroad. Yet, unless the production site, which was opened for journalists, was staged for cameras, it is striking how many details were left exposed - enough to make geolocation possible.

Equally concerning is the decision to show crew members’ faces and list their positions. In our past investigations, my team was able to identify Russian servicemen and intelligence officers using just one facial photo, tracing some even to their actual home addresses

Revealing factory staff could enable local agents from locals to follow employees and, in turn, uncover the site almost certainly making it a target. The interior itself is highly distinctive, a skilled team could likely narrow its location to a handful of candidates.

Overall, I hope I am overstating the risks and that this was merely a showcase facility rather than an active production site. If it was the latter, exposing it so openly would border on a criminal act, given the potential consequences.


 
Mulla oli täsmälleen sama ajatus kuin Tatarigamilla. Mitään mediaa tuollaisesta laitoksesta ei pitäisi tulla ulos.
Todennäköisesti koko kuvaussessio on tehty aivan eri paikassa ja ohjukset on mock-upeja. Ei kukaan täysjärkinen päästä lehdistöä sodan aikana oikeisiin tuotantotiloihin ja päästä videoita sieltä julkisuuteen. Tarkoituskin voi olla, että pitkän selvittelyn jälkeen ryssät löytävät paikan ja ampuvat sinne ohjuksia , mutta ei siellä silloin enää mitään ole. Ukraina on puolillaan käyttämättömiä tehdashalleja, joita voi naamioida aktiivisesti käytettäviksi kohtuu pienellä vaivalla.
 
Ei pidä missään nimessä kuvitella että kommenttini olisi tukenut tuota narratiivia jossa koitetaan väittää moista propagandaa.

Se että sodankäynnin ekonomia puoltaa sellaista konfliktia mihin itse voi osallistua vain toimittamalla tavaraa joka toimitetaan toisen toimesta vihollisen kimppuun on hyvää tehokasta puolustushallintoa ei tarkoita suinkaan että noilla zenäläisten väitteillä olisi penniäkään totuuden arvoa. Mutta on todella tuottavaa lahjottaa patruuna minkä joku toinen toimittaa sinun viholliseesi, sitäkään tosiasiaa ei tässä konfliktissa pidä koittaa väittää muuksi. Jokainen konfliktin syntyä seurannut on nähnyt että sitä ei todellakaan laiton hyökkääjä suunnitellut sellaiseksi mikä siitä sitten muodostui.
Puhuisin silti mieluummin erinomaisesta ❤️tulevaisuusinvestoinnista❤️ kuin hähmäisestä sijaissodasta. Ukrainalaisten rooli on tietysti karu ja kaikinpuolin täysin kohtuuton mutta se on vain ja ainoastaan ryssän vika. Länsimaisen veronmaksajien sekä omasta selkänahastaan antavien maailmanparantajien kannalta jokainen Ukrainalaisiin aseisiin lahjoitettu euro tulee moninkertaisesti takaisin eikä ryssän kaluston tuhoaminen miehistöineen ole koskaan ollut näin edullista kuin mitä Ukrainassa on nähty! Ukrainalaisten lisäksi sota tulee kalliiksi myös ryssälle mutta sekin on vain ja ainoastaan ryssän vika, kun eivät ymmärrä pysyä omalla tontillaan.
 
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