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China has freed 10 Indian soldiers seized in a high-altitude border clash in the Himalayas which left at least 20 Indian soldiers dead, media reports said on Friday.

The release follows several rounds of talks between the two sides in a bid to ease tensions after the battle on Monday, in which scores of troops from the two sides fought with nail-studded batons and hurled rocks at each other.

The 10 soldiers were freed late on Thursday, the Press Trust of India news agency and other media reported.
 
Astetta vaativammat olosuhteet.

"Both sides are also battling the extreme elements, including reduced oxygen levels and freezing temperatures, of a high-altitude cold desert, anywhere from 12,000 to 18,000 feet above sea level. “The first and foremost thing is the survivability — just staying alive and overcoming all the effects of weather,” said Col (retired) S Dinny, a former commanding officer of an infantry battalion in the Indian army that was stationed at Pangong Lake. “It makes this an extremely challenging place to serve.”

Thin oxygen levels — just 60 per cent of those seen at sea-level — means soldiers tire easily and blood clots are a real threat. Soldiers also require a special, higher-protein diet and extra fluids to compensate for the high altitude and thin air. “What you can do in one hour down below may require two hours there,” said Lt Gen (retired) HS Panag, India’s former northern army commander. “Walking becomes extremely difficult. You spend much more energy to do everything.” Indian troops posted to Ladakh spend up to two weeks acclimatising. Temperatures too are extreme. Even in summer, night-time temperatures fall below zero, while in winter they can fall to between -35c and -40c. In winter, the roads to the Indian heartland are snowbound, so supplies must be airlifted in. “It’s close to the temperatures of Siberia,” said Lt Gen Panag, who spent two years posted there earlier in his career. “It’s a fascinating land — it reminds you sometimes of the lunar landscape.”"

FT: Stark Himalayan terrain proves a brutal stage for Sino-Indian rivalry
 
Astetta vaativammat olosuhteet.

"Both sides are also battling the extreme elements, including reduced oxygen levels and freezing temperatures, of a high-altitude cold desert, anywhere from 12,000 to 18,000 feet above sea level. “The first and foremost thing is the survivability — just staying alive and overcoming all the effects of weather,” said Col (retired) S Dinny, a former commanding officer of an infantry battalion in the Indian army that was stationed at Pangong Lake. “It makes this an extremely challenging place to serve.”

Thin oxygen levels — just 60 per cent of those seen at sea-level — means soldiers tire easily and blood clots are a real threat. Soldiers also require a special, higher-protein diet and extra fluids to compensate for the high altitude and thin air. “What you can do in one hour down below may require two hours there,” said Lt Gen (retired) HS Panag, India’s former northern army commander. “Walking becomes extremely difficult. You spend much more energy to do everything.” Indian troops posted to Ladakh spend up to two weeks acclimatising. Temperatures too are extreme. Even in summer, night-time temperatures fall below zero, while in winter they can fall to between -35c and -40c. In winter, the roads to the Indian heartland are snowbound, so supplies must be airlifted in. “It’s close to the temperatures of Siberia,” said Lt Gen Panag, who spent two years posted there earlier in his career. “It’s a fascinating land — it reminds you sometimes of the lunar landscape.”"

FT: Stark Himalayan terrain proves a brutal stage for Sino-Indian rivalry

Tuolla on kovat olosuhteet ja mitä vuosien varrella katsellun Intian porukkaa Kashmirin lumipeitteisillä vuorilla niin kovat on ne sotilaatkin jotka siellä korkeuksissa partio.
 
Bhutan on hiukan kaukana viime kähinöistä. Nämä viime aikojen nuijasodat ovat olleet Ladakhissa, Aksai Chin'in rajoilla. Noilla kahdella osapuolella on sopimus tuliaseiden pitämisestä pois kiistanlaiselta rajalinjalta. Jalkajousi voisi olla toimiva peli...
 
So? Sama maanosa
Ei mitenkään iso asia. Kun tuosta jalkajousesta meinasin kirjoittaa, niin samaan postaukseen laitoin, aina se jotakuta lukijaa auttaa orietoitumaan tarkemmin.
 
Bhutan on hiukan kaukana viime kähinöistä. Nämä viime aikojen nuijasodat ovat olleet Ladakhissa, Aksai Chin'in rajoilla. Noilla kahdella osapuolella on sopimus tuliaseiden pitämisestä pois kiistanlaiselta rajalinjalta. Jalkajousi voisi olla toimiva peli...

Mulla on ollut sama mielessä.

Keihäät ("kävelysauvat"), talja- ja varsijouset, bolat, jäätikköpiikit kenkien kärjissä ja reunoissa, naskalit (=garrote), jäähakku, terotettu lapio, bodycamit (tallentamaan asioita oppimista varten), vartiopisteitä kulkuesteineen, erilaista pioneeritohinaa...
 
Ei mitenkään iso asia. Kun tuosta jalkajousesta meinasin kirjoittaa, niin samaan postaukseen laitoin, aina se jotakuta lukijaa auttaa orietoitumaan tarkemmin.
Viestini oli vitsi. Olen vissiin huono kirjoitetussa huumorissa.
 
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China has added new structures near the site of a deadly border clash with India, according to satellite imagery, raising the possibility of further conflict even as the two sides have pledged to disengage.

Images taken on Monday by the US-based Maxar Technologies show what appear to be Chinese structures on a terrace overlooking the Galwan River, close to where Indian and Chinese military engaged in hand-to-hand combat for hours last week, resulting in the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers. China has not released its casualties from the confrontation on 15 June.
 
Economic times sisältää rullaavan uutisseurannan. Intialainen lähde, mutta vaikuttaa ainakin kiinalaisia totuudenmukaisemmalta.

Ilmeisesti Kiinalaisilla on Pakistanin lentokentät käytössä ja joku kukkula vallattuna. Linnoitus käynnissä.



Tässä on mielenkiintoinen pätkä kiinalaisesta tankkauskoneesta pakistanissa.
 
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Langalle tarvitaan uusi nimi. Kiinalla on nyt kireää Nepalin, intian ja bhutanin rajalla. Päivän uutistapahtumia.



Lisäksi Kiina taitaa huseerata Pakistanissa ko. maan suostumuksella ja tukena.

Sopisiko nimeksi jotain sen tyyppistä kuin ”Hillumista Himalajalla”, ”Konflikti maailman katolla", "Verta pakkiin vedenjakajalla" tai vaikka "Hulinaa huipulla"?
 
A border clash has plunged ties between India and China to their lowest point in decades. But one beneficiary looks clear -- the US-India relationship.

Experts say India could finally end equivocation about openly aligning itself with the long-eager United States, although there will still be disagreements -- which, paradoxically, are now mostly due to Washington.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told reporters that China "took incredibly aggressive action" in a hand-to-hand battle in the remote Himalayas on June 15 that killed 20 Indian soldiers.

The hawkish Pompeo characterized the violence as part of a broader strategy by Beijing to challenge all of its neighbors.

Jeff M. Smith, a research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation who has written a book on the India-China rivalry, said the United States is known to offer border intelligence to India, which is now likely to pick up the pace on defense acquisitions.

But Smith said that India has asked the United States to be publicly circumspect -- in part to show the domestic audience that New Delhi does not need help.

India also does not want "to feed Chinese propaganda narratives that this is all a component of the China-US rivalry and that India is working at America's behest," Smith said.

Michael Kugelman, a South Asia expert at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, cautioned that neither India nor China wanted a complete rupture and said that both still saw some common interests, especially in international organizations.

"But make no mistake: This current India-China crisis is a watershed for the geopolitics of Asia, and the US-India relationship will be one of the main beneficiaries," he said.

"Previous Indian concern about antagonizing China if it moves closer to the US is starting to melt away."

- 'Transactional' ties -

The United States has been seeking warmer ties since the 1990s with India, which insisted during the Cold War on being "non-aligned" on the global stage.

President Donald Trump has appeared to form a bond with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, a fellow nationalist who warns of the threat of radical Islam, and the pair have held two joint mega-rallies.

But Trump, his eyes at home ahead of elections, has also taken action detrimental to India, including last year kicking it out of a preferential trade status under which it had exported billions of dollars in goods.

Trump, citing the coronavirus pandemic, more recently has suspended high-tech visas and threatened to expel international students, moves with significant impacts on Indians.

India is happy to see Trump's tougher stances on China as well as historic adversary Pakistan but also feels demands, especially on trade, said Aparna Pande, director of the Hudson Institute's Initiative on the Future of India and South Asia.

"It is a semi-transactional relationship. It is not a strategic relationship, as it was in earlier years," she said.

Trump, who has frequently sparred with Western allies, may not even want a more committed relationship with India, she said.

"I wouldn't say there is as much reluctance on the Indian side. That has calmed down," Pande said.

"The two are closer than they have ever been. But are the two ready to take that extra step?"

- Warmth regardless of election -

In another recent shift, US lawmakers, mostly Democrats, have openly criticized India on human rights, including Modi's revocation of autonomy and controls on the internet in Muslim-majority Kashmir.

Anthony Blinken, a close aide to presidential candidate Joe Biden, said that the Democrat, if he defeats Trump, would seek to "strengthen and deepen" the relationship with India. But Blinken shared concerns on freedoms.

"You're always better engaging with a partner, and a vitally important one like India, when you can speak frankly and directly about areas where you have differences," Blinken said at the Hudson Institute.

Trump has stayed mum on rights and has offered, with little detail, to mediate between India and China.

But John Bolton, Trump's former national security advisor who recently published an explosive memoir, doubted Trump understood the border situation.

"He may have been briefed on it, but history doesn't really stick with him," Bolton told Indian news channel WION.
 
A soldier with India’s special forces has been killed in the latest border showdown with Chinese troops on their contested Himalayan border.

The death is the first reported from two incidents in 48 hours on the border which has heightened tensions between the giant nations just two months after a battle that left at least 20 Indian soldiers dead.

India and China, which fought a border war in 1962, have accused each other of seeking to cross their unofficial frontier in the Ladakh region in a bid to gain territory on Saturday night, and then again on Monday.

Neither side has announced any casualties but Namgyal Dolkar Lhagyari, a member of the Tibetan parliament in exile, told AFP that an Indian soldier of Tibetan origin was “martyred during the clash” on Saturday night.

She said another member of the Special Frontier Force (SFF) that reportedly includes many ethnic Tibetans who oppose China’s claim to their home region was wounded in the operation.

The world’s two most populous countries have sent tens of thousands of troops to the region since a brutal 15 June battle fought with wooden clubs and fists.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...after-worst-attack-on-china-border-in-decades
India has said 20 troops were killed. China acknowledged casualties but did not give figures.

The two sides blamed each other for the latest incidents.
 
India and China have accused each other’s soldiers of firing warning shots in the latest incident on the disputed border in the Himalayas.

China initially claimed Indian soldiers crossed the line of actual control in the western border region on Monday and opened fire as part of a “severe military provocation”, forcing Chinese forces to take “corresponding counter-measures” .

India rejected Chinese allegations of violating border agreements and accused Chinese troops of firing in the air to intimidate Indian troops in what it described as “provocative activities”.
 

Sieltä oltiin tulossa keihäiden kanssa.

 
Henkilökohtaisesti uskon että kohta rytisee. Viime päivien uutiset ovat olleet sitä luokkaa, että siellä Kiinan päässä on joku kypsynyt ja konflikti on ruvennut kukkimaan.

Mielenkiintoisesti Kiinan ulkoministeriö ilmoittelee liennytyksestä ja vetäytymisestä, rajalla olevat sotilaat hölkkäävät keihäiden kanssa naapurin puolella.

Mahtaako siellä olla armeijan komentoporras Winnien kontrollissa enää?
 
Mahtaako siellä olla armeijan komentoporras Winnien kontrollissa enää?

Komentoporras kuuntelee Xitä ja UM toimii propaganda moodissa. Kukaan ei tehnyt mitään ja jos jotakin tapahtui niin Kiina ei ollut syyllinen mihinkään. Ei ainakaan vihollisuuksiin. Koskaan. :cool:
 
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