F-15 Eagle
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Leaderwolf
Respected Leader
Äläs nyt, olisihan se ollut kivaa kiusata hurreja 3000m/h ylilennolla
Ja siihen se sitten olisikin jäänyt, kirjaimellisesti, polttoaineen loppuessa.
Huhta
Greatest Leader
Eagleja Taiwaniin? Israeliinhan niitä jo meni. Ken elää, se näkee...
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3386273
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3386273
US could offer Taiwan F-15C fighter jets
Though Taiwan is seeking the F-35B fighter jet, the F-15C Eagle could be a viable Plan B
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By Keoni Everington,Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2018/03/20 18:45
USAF F-15C fires AIM-7 Sparrow. (By Wikimedia Commons)
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) -- Though Taiwan's government is eagerly seeking the advanced F-35B fighter jet to greatly modernize its defenses against China's massive military buildup across the strait, the F-15C Eagle could be a viable alternative that would be less costly and politically risky.
Taiwanese T-38A. (Wikimedia Commons)
Sources close to the matter told Up Media that during a discussion between the U.S. and Taiwan on ways of bolstering Taiwan's air defense interception capabilities, the U.S. proposed the leasing of F-15C fighter jets, based on the precedent of the T-38 Talon trainer program. Because it would be a "lease" it would not count as an arms sale to Taiwan, with the length of the lease open to adjustments in terms of time and based on budget constraints. The proposal has been submitted to Ministry of Defense for evaluation, according to Up Media.
Dassault Mirage 2000. (Wikimedia Commons)
As the aging fleet of Mirage 2000 fighter jets which currently serve the Air Force's interceptor role are highly expensive to maintain, Taiwan has asked for the latest version of the Eagle, the F-15 2040C, but the U.S. has repeated rejected their request, with the F/A-18EF Hornet as a replacement in mind instead. However, due to the high cost of either model and the pressures China would exert if such a major arms sale was made to Taiwan, the U.S. has come up with the proposal to "lease" the F-15 fighter to Taiwan instead to help fill in the gap.
F/A-18EF. (Wikimedia Commons)
In fact, the F-15CD fighters are even more responsive than the F/A-18EF fighters, they have a bigger combat radius, their engines have more powerful thrust, and they can climb to 50,000 feet faster. The F-15CD can pack on more munitions as well, if there is not auxiliary fuel tank, the plane can carry up to 8 medium range air-to-air missiles and more than 4 AIM-9X Sidewinder missiles.
Though the F-15CD was originally slated for retirement, its performance has been strengthened by the Mid-Life Update (MLU) including upgrades to its mission computer, sensing system and radar. The Japanese Air Force's Multistage Improvement Program (MSIP) implemented on its F-15J/DJ/EJ models made similar improvements and also have been adapted to take off from a shorter runway and have a faster rate of climb, well suited for Taiwan's needs for its interceptor aircraft.
Japan Air Force F-15DJ. (Wikimedia Commons)
There have been other cases in which Taiwan has leased weapons from the U.S. in the past. Taiwan's Navy is leasing Knox-class frigates, Newport-class tank landing ships and T-38 trainers. Thus leasing is another way to keep arms shipments lower profile and in the case of the F-15, it can be rendered less offensively capable by restricting its range by not including the auxiliary fuel tank.
Though the Taiwanese Air Force's first choice would be the F-35, the U.S. is unlikely to sell the warplane to Taiwan in the near future. In order to counter the growth of China's air power, the U.S. has proposed leasing the F-15 as a transitional phase before the F-35 will becomes available.
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Eikös tuosta ollut iippojen hankinnasta ollut edellisellä sivulla juttua. Hankintapäätöstä ei ole vielä tehty.
Olikos Japani luopumassa joistakin omistaan? Ei sillä, että he taitaisivat myydä aseita mihinkään.
Huhta
Greatest Leader
Kun tuossa uutisessa kerrottiin Taiwanin osalta lähinnä vanhojen jenkkikoneiden leasingista, niin viittasin Israelin USA:sta saamiin ylijäämäkoneisiin:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-confirms-f-15d-delivery-to-israel-429408/
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...throw-away-f-15d-eagles-as-new-found-treasure
Huhta
Greatest Leader
Vasta 20-luvun lopulla. Sittenkin epäilen suunnitelman paikkansapitävyyttä, sillä kotimainen hävittäjäprojekti on vielä kaukana tulevaisuudessa ja muuta järkevää ulkomaista ostettavaa kuin F-35 tuskin on tulossa tarjolle pitkään aikaan. Jopa F-4 on yhä edelleen palveluksessa, tosin se korvautunee lähivuosina F-35:llä.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/japan-running-out-fighter-jets-13075
https://about.bgov.com/blog/pentagon-billion-new-boeing-fighters/
"The Pentagon is planning to request $1.2 billion for 12 Boeing F-15 X fighter aircraft "
"The decision to buy the newest version of the F-15 may not sit well with F-35 supporters within the Pentagon and in Congress because it would essentially compete for funding. "
(oleellinen osa USA:n aseohjelmia on rahan lapiointi omaan vaalipiiriin)
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-new-f-15x-advanced-eagle-fighter-jets-report
"We'll have to wait for the final budget to be released to see the F-15X as an official procurement program for ourselves, but suffice it to say, the Eagle's chances of rolling off the production line in St. Louis and being flown directly to operational U.S. fighter squadrons once again is greater now than it has been in many, many years. "
"The Pentagon is planning to request $1.2 billion for 12 Boeing F-15 X fighter aircraft "
"The decision to buy the newest version of the F-15 may not sit well with F-35 supporters within the Pentagon and in Congress because it would essentially compete for funding. "
(oleellinen osa USA:n aseohjelmia on rahan lapiointi omaan vaalipiiriin)
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-new-f-15x-advanced-eagle-fighter-jets-report
"We'll have to wait for the final budget to be released to see the F-15X as an official procurement program for ourselves, but suffice it to say, the Eagle's chances of rolling off the production line in St. Louis and being flown directly to operational U.S. fighter squadrons once again is greater now than it has been in many, many years. "
https://defence-blog.com/news/israel-decides-to-purchase-new-f-15ia-fighter-jets.html
Takuulla liittyy asiaan.
wargame
Kapteeni
The F-15X is also set to be affordable, coming in at “well below” the $95 million cost of the F-35A. The newest Eagle would cost about $27,000 per hour to fly—again, well below the $45,000 an hour to fly the F-35A. Finally, Boeing claims that the F-15X will have a whopping 20,000-hour service life, enabling it to serve for decades. By comparison, the original F-15 was built to serve only 5,000 hours.
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Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Edelleenkin, iipot eivät ole tehneet hankintapäätöstä.
USAF on aika suorasanaisesti ilmoittanut ettei voisi vähempää kiinnostaa koko kone. tuolta pohjalta voi Pentagonin pyytämä rahoitus (jossa puuhamiehenä on tainnut hääriä Boeingin ex-pomo) jäädä saamatta.
Sattuvatpa olleen tehneet päätöksen. Satun olemaan asiassa jotenkin "sisäpiirissä"
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5409130,00.html
The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday.
The purchase has already been approved by the government, and the first of the aircraft is expected to arrive in Israel as soon as 2023. In the meantime, the IAF will continue purchasing stealth attack aircrafts.
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Höpö vitun höpö. Meikäläinenkin on seurustellut suomalaisen kanssa, asunut täällä koko ikäni, käynyt armeijan täällä ja tunnen useita kapiaisia. Silti en ole "sisäpiiriläinen" mitä tulee meidän ilmavoimien hankintoihin. Mene kertomaan noita satujasi siihen omaan vitjaasi.Sattuvatpa olleen tehneet päätöksen. Satun olemaan asiassa jotenkin "sisäpiirissä"
Viimeksi muokattu:
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Mikä tässä voi olla näin vaikeeta? Tuo sun juttu oli päivätty 19.11.2018. Linkkasin jo edelliselle sivulle janesin artikkelin jonka mukaan iipot antoivat 20 päivä seuraavan tiedotteen:
Israel has not made a final decision on acquiring a more advanced version of the Boeing F-15 multirole fighter, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) told Jane's .
"All possibilities regarding this issue are under IDF, IAF [Israeli Air Force], and the defence establishment's examination, and their position has yet to be decided," the IDF said in a statement on 20 November.
Israel has not made a final decision on acquiring a more advanced version of the Boeing F-15 multirole fighter, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) told Jane's .
"All possibilities regarding this issue are under IDF, IAF [Israeli Air Force], and the defence establishment's examination, and their position has yet to be decided," the IDF said in a statement on 20 November.
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Molemmat uutiset siteerasivat oman itsensä mukaan virallisia tiedotteita, janesin vaan oli julkaistu myöhemmin.Uskot sitten enemmän Janesia kuin virallista IDF:n tiedotetta?
Ei olla, vituttaa vaan kun esiinnyt jonain auktoriteettina asioissa joista sinulla ei ole yhtään meitä muita enempää hajua.
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Juu minäkin olen 100% ajasta suomessa ja tekemisissä kapiaisten kanssa. Siltikään en esitä olevani sisäpiiriläinen mitä tulee esimerkiksi ilmavoimien hankintoihin. Lopeta nyt jo tuo oman hännän nostamisesi ja satujen kertominen.
Leaderwolf
Respected Leader
Älkääs ny jätkät, joulu ja kaikkea. Samalla läntisellä puolla asioissa kumminkin ollaan, vaikka välillä jonkun kanssa sanallisesti sparraisikin 