J20 Kiinan häivehävittäjä

magitsu

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Niin ja entäs jos Ranska ja Saksa saisivat yllättäen homman toimimaan, tulisi nyt kaavailtu "6th gen" projekti riviin jo 2040 paikkeilla? Kävisi äkkiä suomalainen Typhoon tai Rafale näyttämään vanhoilta, vaikka ikää olisi mittarissa vasta 10-15 vuotta.
 

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During a recent exercise for the first time a HMD (HMDS) was revealed. This was expected since some time especially since such a helmet was on display at the Zhuhai Airshow 2016. However a HMD was not confirmed and usually the pilots wore a TK-31 helme


 

ajs178

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Joo, ei missään nimessä. J20 on ihan uniikki kone. Kyllä siellä kiinalainen insinööri tehnyt kovasti hommia.
Jep. Ja ei se kopiointikaan helppoa ole. Varmasti muistamme, miten kävi, kun rakas naapurimme yritti kopioida Concorden. Lopputulos eli Tu-144 ei koskaan toiminut kunnolla ja liian monen onnettomuuden jälkeen päätyi yliäänirahtikoneeksi jonnekin Venäjän sisäiseen liikenteeseen
 

fulcrum

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Ensimmäinen ilmasotaharjoitus käyty muita kiinalaishävittäjiä vastaan. Mikähän oli kill-ratio, joka aina jenkeissä nousee esiin?

J-20 Fighter Takes Part In First Combat Exercises
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/189856/china’s-j_20-stealth-fighter-takes-part-in-first-combat-exercises.html
Joitain huhuja/vahvistamattomia tietoja viime vuonna pidetystä "Punainen Miekka" -harjoituksesta on levinnyt. Tuossa kiinankielinen kolumni jossa siitä puhutaan. Valitettavasti konekäännös ei toimi ei-sukulaiskielten välillä kovin hyvin mutta ehkä tuosta jotain selvää saa:

"Judging from relevant current news, J-20 is still in a kind of “shocking” stage just as it was when the Su-27 was introduced. It also takes some time to really digest and understand this kind of situation. Everything the fighter brings.

Recently, there has been news about the situation in which J-20 participated in the exercise. Then, how did J-20 perform during the exercise? The following story content is for reference.

Confrontation situation 1:

Blues: The J-20 aircraft, carrying the Long Bo lens, only carries a new type of radar-guided air-to-air missile in the belly bomb bay, without a combat bullet.

The Red Army: X Three-and-a-half-generation fighter planes and X-framed three-generation fighter aircrafts, and one KJ-500 early-warning aircraft.

Under the group plague of three generations of half-time warplanes, a J-20 shot was shot down. This made the participating parties feel as if they were on their backs.

Blue target: shoot down the early warning aircraft.

Confrontation: Although it carries the Long Bo lens, the P-20 can still enter through the low altitude and maintain its stealth performance. In combat, the two J-20s did not adopt the tactics of simultaneously attacking multiple targets because they had a limited number of missiles. Instead, they first attacked the three-generation aircraft formations in a one-on-one manner. The AWACS discovered that things were not good, and greeted three-and-a-half generations of people who came to “encourage driving” and desperately turned to escape. In order to ensure the success of the AW-20 hunting aircraft, it has been close to the AWACS to launch the missile at a very short distance, and it has been shot down. However, this has also caused its position to be exposed on the AWACS radar and distributed to the AWACS. Late to the "rescue" fleet. J-20 did the last stroke with the last missile, but the ammunition could only be turned to retreat. At this time, the active phased-array radar of the third-generation semi-fighter saw the advanced electronic interference of the J-20 at a short distance, and finally “shot down”.

The results of the confrontation: The Red Army's three generations of aircraft formations were completely wiped out, three generations and a half formations suffered heavy casualties, the AWACS were shot down, and the Blue Party lost a J-20. "

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Confrontation 2:

The J-20 forces joined the "third party" forces other than the "Red Army" and "Blue Army" to join the battle.

"Third Party" Forces: J-20, J-16 Multi-machines, there is no limit to the use of weapons.

Red Army: The Air Force XX base, including fighter planes, early-warning aircraft, ground-to-air missile units, and radar units...is equivalent to the entire air defense base participating forces.

Blue targets: Destroy the key battle node targets.

At present, the three generations of fighter planes such as J-16 and J-10C have been able to perform joint operations because of interoperability with the J-20 data link. In the case of J-20 as an information node, combat effectiveness has become "multiplying".

The B-1R, which was originally conceived by the United States and can carry hundreds of AIM-120 missiles, is a reflection of the more extreme use of this type of application.

Confrontation: In most cases, J-20 has been used as an information node to direct the J-16 to launch long-range and super long-range air-to-air missiles for out-of-sight attacks. The Red Army's large numbers of fighters have been shot down without any awareness. The Red Army’s command post tried to lure the “Blue Army” with the ground-guiding force as a bait to reveal flaws. As a result, “theft of the chicken was not an eclipse and put the rice”. Instead, it allowed the other party to “solve” the air defense missile force with a great threat to it... A Red Army pilot Surprisingly, the sneak attack "slammed down" a stumbling block -16, and was immediately defeated by the scorpion -20, becoming the only battle against the Red Army. In the end, the Red Army’s key battle nodes were destroyed.

As a result of this confrontation, as the author said before, the Chinese Air Force's "Ji-20 shock" officially began. This declares that for all these years the People's Liberation Army has studied all the "wishful thoughts" for the fourth generation of aircraft without the fourth generation of aircraft. It seems to be invalid.

In addition, there are still some shocking results in the "Red Sword-2017" and other exercises and exercises last year. It is also worth mentioning.

Including, in a pair of exercises, using the "fighting game" system on the Su-35, in the view of fighting within the distance, ordinary pilots and "gold helmets" confrontation, actually can play each other with results.

In other words, people had previously underestimated the AI system’s judgment and its value in the rapidly changing air battle.

In another exercise, three generations of semi-fighters equipped with active phased-array radars almost completely failed the interference of three generations of heavy-duty fighters equipped with high-power electronic countermeasures. In the previous exercise, another type of passive phased array was equipped. The three generations of semi-fighters were defeated because they could not resist high-power electronic interference.

In other words, people previously completely underestimated the significance of active phased-array radars in air combat. It is far more than simple to strengthen multi-objective confrontation and increase detection range.

It can be said that in the future air warfare, the three generations of aircraft will not be able to fight for three and a half generations, and three and a half generations will not be able to deal with the four generations of aircraft.

It now appears that before acquiring advanced equipment, it was impossible to understand the great significance of these new equipment for the change in the shape of war by relying on imagination and speculation.

After this, after the People's Liberation Army won the Su-27, they realized how unfair the tactics they used to fight against the three generations of old fighter jets were unreasonable, and even foolish. Now, the “J-20 shock” has come, another round Big changes will begin.

In recent years, the US military has actively engaged the F-35 and F-22 in participating in the "Red Flag" military exercise for the same purpose. It is to build a new air warfare system that revolves around the fourth generation of aircraft.

In fact, during the exercise, not only did the troops who played the "Red Army" feel pressure, but also the troops that used the J-20 to play the "Blue Army," because even if they were driving the fourth generation machine, the understanding of the fourth generation machine was still insufficient. full.

This also shows that J-20 is still a growing "Veyron". Although it was born, there was a dragon in the world, but it still required some "real flight from the three million Yulong Dragons." Time. However, in any case, only China and the United States can carry out the "four generations of machines" "Huashan on Swords," and we will create new history at each step in this respect. "
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J-16 on kiinalaisten oma versio Su-30:sta ja KJ-500 on keskikokoinen tutkavalvontakone.
 

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China's fifth-generation Chengdu J-20, its most advanced fighter jet, has recently successfully completed its first maritime combat training. The latest Chinese jet has been in development since 2002 and entered into service in 2017.
A Sukhoi Su-30MKI (NATO reporting name Flanker-C) of the Indian Air Force reportedly managed to detect the latest Chinese Chengdu J-20 jet fighter, which is supposed to be a top-of-the-line stealth aircraft operated by the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), reports Indian Defence Research Wing. According to the outlet, when the new Chinese jets where conducting flight training over Tibet, Indian pilots on Russian-made Su-30MKIs managed to detect and track them from Indian airspace.
"The Sukhoi's radar can see them. The new Chinese jets are not so invisible after all. No special technology is required to detect the J-20, as it can be detected by ordinary radar stations," Indian Air Force commander Arup Shaha said.
The Chinese Chengdu J-20 has been in development since 2002 and was made using stealth technology. It was entered into service in March 2017, with nine prototypes and two pre-serial units built so far. The J-20 has recently successfully completed its first maritime training exercises.
Lähde:Sputnik
 

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Kapteeni
Kummallinen teksti sinänsä, että a) on tiedetty että kyseessä on juuri J-20 ja toisaalta b) oletettu ettei niissä ole ollut Luneburg-linssejä, vaikka harjoittelevat kilpailijavaltion tutkakantaman ulottuvilla. Siksi ne JSF:tkin lentelevät ilman Luneburgeja ainoastaan USA:n keskellä olevissa autiomaissa.
 

Gyllis1

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Kummallinen teksti sinänsä, että a) on tiedetty että kyseessä on juuri J-20 ja toisaalta b) oletettu ettei niissä ole ollut Luneburg-linssejä, vaikka harjoittelevat kilpailijavaltion tutkakantaman ulottuvilla. Siksi ne JSF:tkin lentelevät ilman Luneburgeja ainoastaan USA:n keskellä olevissa autiomaissa.
Noinkin laadukas lähde, voi voi, mihin voi enää luottaa.


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Kuvassa tutkaheijastimella varustettu J-20.
 

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Tehtaalta lähtenyt J-20 lentää kiinalaisten WS-10x moottoreiden avulla. Sen verran tuore kone ettei "häivemattoa" ole asennettu keltaisen pintamaalin päälle.

 

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aj77

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Merijalkaväki treenaa...

Kiinan häivehävittäjän kopio kuvattiin USA:n tukikohdassa
Yhdysvaltojen ilmavoimat on vahvistanut kuvan aitouden.
Sosiaalisessa mediassa on ihmetelty viime päivinä Yhdysvaltojen asevoimien alueella Savannah-Hilton Headin lentokentällä Yhdysvaltojen Georgiassa tehtyä erikoista havaintoa.

Nimettömänä pysyttelevän kuvaajan ottamassa kuvassa (alla) näkyy nimittäin Kiinan ilmavoimien uuden J-20-häivehävittäjän täysikokoinen malli......
https://www.verkkouutiset.fi/kiinan-haivehavittajan-kopio-kuvattiin-usan-tukikohdassa/
 

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Eihän tuossa ole mitään uutta. Itänaapurillakin on testipaikka mistä löytyy F-22 ja muita "kopioita".
 

taantumu

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Kiinalaisten mukaan kehitteillä on kaksipaikkainen versio J-20 koneesta. Koneen on tarkoitus olla ensimmäinen kaksipaikkainen stealth-hävittäjä ja ajatuksena on käyttää versiota myös taktisena pommittajana sekä elektroniseen sodankäyntiin.
J-20 variant may be world's first two-seat stealth fighter jet: report



Concept art depicts the two-seat variant of the J-20 stealth fighter jet. Photo: cctv.com

China's most advanced stealth fighter jet J-20 could be developed into a bomber, electric warfare (EW) aircraft and a carrier-based variant, Chinese military experts said on Wednesday as latest reports suggested a two-seat version of the warplane is under development.

All current stealth fighter jets feature single-seat, so the potential J-20 variant might become the first two-seat stealth fighter jet in the world, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Wednesday.

On a highly digitalized future battlefield, large amounts of information can easily overflow the entire control panel of an aircraft. Having a second pilot and a second panel sharing part of the work will be advantageous, the report said.

Yang Wei, the chief designer of the J-20, said in March 2018 that the aircraft will be serialized and see its combat capability constantly upgraded, People's Daily reported.

The current J-20 is a basic version, and it is by design highly customizable, Song Zhongping, a military expert and TV commentator, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

Outfitting the warplane with a second seat allows it to play multiple roles in addition to winning air superiority, Song said, noting that the two-seat version can be further developed into a tactical bomber or EW aircraft.

Having variations that other countries do not possess will greatly expand the Chinese military's capability in an asymmetric warfare, analysts said.

The US had a similar plan with its stealth fighter jet the F-22 due to its supersonic speed and potential to penetrate airspace without being detected. However, the FB-22, a tactical bomber version of the F-22, was axed in 2006 because the US Air Force wanted a strategic bomber instead of a tactical one, US media outlet the National Interest reported.

Although the FC-31, another Chinese stealth fighter jet, is widely expected to become China's next generation carrier-borne fighter jet, Song said that J-20 can also be modified to fulfill the role.

Even if the J-20 does not make additions to its role, it will definitely see enhancements to its capability, as China has a tradition of upgrading its fighter jets with advanced technologies before moving on to an entirely new aircraft.

An upgraded J-20 will have improved avionics and fire control systems, more powerful engines and more weapons payload, Song said.
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-01/17/content_9406858.htm
 

ctg

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Netflixillä (uk) pyörii PLAn tuottama Sky Hunter sotilaselokuva joka esittelee heidän eliittijoukkoa ja J20sta. Suosittelen ihmettelemään.
 

Samovarius

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Jep. Ja ei se kopiointikaan helppoa ole. Varmasti muistamme, miten kävi, kun rakas naapurimme yritti kopioida Concorden. Lopputulos eli Tu-144 ei koskaan toiminut kunnolla ja liian monen onnettomuuden jälkeen päätyi yliäänirahtikoneeksi jonnekin Venäjän sisäiseen liikenteeseen
Kopioinnista ei ollut kyse eikä edes vakoilusta, vaikka yritystä varmasti oli. Neukut joutuivat jopa pyytämään avoimesti apua Tu-144 - projektiin briteiltä, mihin ei luonnollisesti suostuttu (samaan jouduttiin hieman myöhemmin Lockheed TriStarin kanssa - neukuilla ei tahtonut insinöörikapasiteetti riittää siviilikoneiden tuotantoon). Onnettomuuksia varsinaisesti Tu-144:lle tapahtui kaksi, toinen näytös- ja toinen koelennolla, mutta vakavia vikoja ilmeni joka toisella palveluslennolla. Kone oli täysi fiasko, minkä juurest olivat hallinnollisissa päätöksissä ja surkeissa resursseissa. Jokseenkin samanlainen perusratkaisu taas johtuu puhtaasti aerodynaamisista seikoista. Kaksoisdeltasiipi oli käytännössä ainoa tapa rakentaa yliäänimatkustajakone 60-luvun teknologialla. Sama pätee avaruussukkulaan, käytännön syyt sanelevat sen kaksoisdeltasiipiseksi tiilitaloksi.

 
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