Konflikti Kiinan merellä

The overwhelming majority of nations in the world, including all of Europe, bigshots like Russia and China, nearly all of Latin America and Africa, all the trade-dependent Asian/Pacific countries, etc, have ratified the Law of the Sea convention. The one huge exception is … the United States. Pentagon officials have long testified in favor of ratification. So have officials from the State Department. The George W. Bush administration was in favor of it, and the Obama administration is now. But thanks to anti-government, anti-internationalist absolutists in the Senate (think: Sen. Jim Inhofe), the United States has not signed on.

Why does this matter? It’s one more sign of the nihilist dysfunction we see in the ExIm debate, government shutdowns, and elsewhere. The United States would be on much stronger ground in drawing a line against current Chinese maritime claims, if it had ratified the treaty. The Law of the Sea norms are the ones the U.S. is trying to enforce! But this reality has not penetrated the right-wing opponents of anything that smacks of world government. And we lumber on.
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http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/201...vigation-south-china-sea/123215/?oref=d-river

In a rare appearance together, American and Chinese admirals sat alongside one another to present their views on maritime security in the Asia-Pacific region. The audience came to hear about one thing, the South China Sea, and China’s commander was clear: “It belongs to China.”

“The South China Sea, as the name indicated, is a sea area. It belongs to China,” said Vice Adm. Yuan Yubai, who commands the North Sea Fleet for the People’s Liberation Army Navy.

Yuan said China is working with the U.S. military on a code of conduct for aircraft encounters, which he hoped would help avoid conflict among the five nations with claims in the South China Sea.

“I believe after this code of conduct is successfully passed, all the neighboring countries around this area will have good communication with each other whenever such unexpected encounters occur,” Yuan said.

The exchange came at London’s Defence & Security Equipment International, or DSEI, conference, which gathers naval leaders from around the world. Yuan sat with U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Jeff Harley, assistant deputy chief of naval operations for operations, plans and strategy, and Vice Adm. Umio Otsuka, president of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force Command and Staff College.

Yuan spent most of his speech talking about the Maritime Silk Road, Chinese President Xi Jinping’s concept of creating ports along global trade routes. But the real point of interest was the South China Sea, where U.S. and Japan have protested China’s island-building. U.S. Adm. Harry Harris, Pacific Command commander, has said the islands are clearly intended for military use as forward operating bases.
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http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2...message-south-china-sea-belongs-china/120989/
 
Bushmaster kirjoitti:
ihan yhtä sekavaa on kuin "Humppa- Ville unet" :confused:
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Ei suinkaan ole. Mitäs sinne Usan pitkän aikavälin strategioiden ja ulkopolitiikan huoneentauluun on julkisesti piirretty? Kahden presidentin suulla peräkkäin, publikaanin ja demarin. Aivan selkeästi ilmoitettu tavoite. Nyt vaan kopeloidaan vähän opponentin hermoja ja reagoimista. Onhan tästä ollut puhetta. Askel askeleelta edetään.
 
Minuteman kirjoitti:
Pari riittävän suurta kraateria kiitoradoille riittää.
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Amerikkalaisen tulivoiman alla kevyttä kamaa. Oikeasti. Kiinalaista eteentyöntämisen politiikkaa, samaa sarjaa kuin puskurivaltio Pohjois-Korea. Kiina pyrkii osoittamaan, että se "oikeutetusti" työntää puolustustaan eteenpäin...joidenkin mielestä se eteenpäintyöntäminen on itseasiassa osoitus laajentumishalusta. Jos minulta kysytään, komppaan jälkimmäistä.
 
Two Australian warships will hold exercises with the Chinese navy in the South China Sea next week, Australia's defense minister said on Thursday, just days after a U.S. navy patrol near a man-made Chinese island in the disputed waters angered Beijing.
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http://news.yahoo.com/australia-join-chinese-navy-exercises-south-china-sea-015925852.html

China rebuked Washington for sending a U.S. guided-missile destroyer close to Subi Reef in the Spratly archipelago on Tuesday, saying it had tracked and warned the USS Lassen and called in the American ambassador to protest.

Australia, a key U.S. ally in the region, expressed its strong support for freedom of navigation, while stopping short of welcoming the patrol.

Speculation has risen that Australia might undertake similar exercises, either alongside the U.S. navy or on its own, but any move would risk antagonising top trading partner China.

Euan Graham, director of the International Security Program at the Lowy Institute in Sydney, said Australia would want to try and avoid being seen as "deputy sheriff" to the United States in the region.

"It would be more effective to demonstrate broader international concerns if Australia were to assert freedom of navigation under its own political and operational banner and not to ride U.S. coat-tails," he said.
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http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...in-south-china-sea/ar-BBmyhGM?ocid=spartandhp

BEIJING — A state-run Chinese newspaper has claimed
the country is "not afraid to fight a war" with the U.S.

"In face of the U.S. harassment, Beijing should deal
with Washington tactfully and prepare for the worst,"
according to the editorial in the Global Times, which
came just a day after an American destroyer sailed
into disputed waters in an open challenge to Beijing.

The newspaper is known to represent the more extreme
and nationalistic views of China's political establishment.
"This can convince the White House that China, despite
its unwillingness, is not afraid to fight a war with the
U.S. in the region, and is determined to safeguard its
national interests and dignity," it added.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/china-not-afraid-war-after-u-s-ship-sails-disputed-n452806
 
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The US chief of naval operations and his Chinese counterpart will hold an hour-long video teleconference on Thursday, days after Beijing was angered by a US warship’s patrol within a 12-nautical-mile (22km) limit around a man-made Chinese island in the South China Sea, a US official said.

The meeting was initiated by Admiral John Richardson and Admiral Wu Shengli to discuss recent operations in the South China Sea and naval ties between the two countries, the official said.

It will be the third video teleconference held between a US naval operations chief and the Chinese equivalent.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y-chiefs-to-discuss-tensions-says-us-official
 
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China's military released photos of navy planes training with missiles in the South China Sea, a move experts say is aimed at protesting the patrol of a US warship in waters Beijing claims to have sovereignty over.

The photos, released by the navy's official website on Saturday, showed fighter jets training while armed with missiles. The jets belonged to the South Sea Fleet and the training was carried out from an airstrip in the South China Sea, it said.
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http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...inese-fighter-jets-train-over-disputed-waters

 
The US military will continue to operate "wherever" international law allows, a top US admiral said in Beijing on Tuesday, a week after America infuriated China by sailing close to artificial islands it is building in the South China Sea.

"International seas and airspace belong to everyone and are not the dominion of any single nation," Admiral Harry Harris said, according to prepared remarks for a speech at the Stanford Center at Peking University.

"Our military will continue to fly, sail, and operate whenever and wherever international law allows. The South China Sea is not -- and will not -- be an exception," he added.

Harris is the commander of the US Pacific Command and his public declaration in the Chinese capital is a mark of US resolve over the strategically vital waterway, where Beijing has built up rocks and reefs into artificial islands with facilities for military use.

Beijing claims sovereignty over almost the whole of the sea on the basis of a segmented line that first appeared on Chinese maps in the 1940s.

Harris described the claim as "ambiguous" and based on "the so-called 9-dash line".

Washington has repeatedly said it does not recognise Chinese claims to territorial waters around the artificial islands.

The USS Lassen guided missile destroyer sailed within 12 nautical miles of at least one of the land formations in the disputed Spratly Islands last week.

Washington says it takes no position on sovereignty disputes in the region and that the sail-by was intended to protect freedom of navigation under international law, which it sees as potentially threatened by China's activities.

The USS Lassen's mission was part of the US's "routine freedom of navigation operations", Harris said, intended to "prevent the decomposition of international laws and norms".

"We've been conducting freedom of navigation operations all over the world for decades, so no one should be surprised by them," he said.
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http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_to_operate_wherever_law_allows_in_S_China_Sea_999.html

Parempi että tämä asia hoidetaan diplomaattien kanssa kuin kovat piipussa, mutta mulla on sellainen kutina että Kiina ei anna periksi sen laajennus pyrkimyksissä
 
Kas kun tätä ei juuri uutisoitu, että Haagin kansainvälinen tuomioistuin ottaa tämän Etelä-Kiinan meren aluekiistan käsittelyynsä - tosin Kiina ei tunnusta päätöstä.
Suomessa kuulin asiasta ainoastaan YLE:n aamu-uutisista.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34671504
South China Sea: Hague panel can rule on Philippines-China dispute
South China Sea: Hague panel can rule on Philippines-China dispute

An international arbitration panel has ruled that it can hear a case brought by the Philippines in its territorial dispute with China, involving a group of islands in the South China Sea.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration, based in The Hague, rejected China's argument that the dispute was about sovereignty - and so beyond its remit.

It will now begin hearings on the case's merits, under a UN Convention.

China's claims in the South China Sea are contested by its Asian neighbours.

The Philippines has had diplomatic spats with China over the Scarborough Shoal and Spratlys in particular, rejecting its claims to those areas.

It says China's "nine-dash line", which China uses to demarcate its territorial claims, is unlawful under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which both countries have signed.


The Philippines had asked the Hague-based panel to consider its case under the convention, which falls within the panel's jurisdiction.

The panel decided on Wednesday that it had the authority to hear seven of Manila's submissions under the convention.

The court said in a statement that it rejected the argument by China that the "dispute is actually about sovereignty over the islands in the South China Sea and therefore beyond the tribunal's jurisdiction".

The court instead ruled that the case reflects "disputes between the two states concerning the interpretation or application of the convention".

China has boycotted the proceedings, insisting that the panel has no authority to rule in the case.

No date has been set for further hearings, which will determine the merits of the Philippines' arguments.


China claims almost the whole of the South China Sea, dismissing claims to parts of it from Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei.

Recently, China has begun carrying out aggressive land reclamation and construction projects on several reefs, prompting the US to call for a halt on such efforts.

Satellite images show that, among other things, China is building an airstrip on reclaimed land on Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratly Islands.

China has argued that it is acting lawfully based on its sovereign rights to the disputed areas.

The South China Sea, believed to be rich in resources, is a strategic waterway through which roughly a third of the world's oil passes.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration is an intergovernmental organisation with 117 member states which was established in 1899 to encourage the peaceful resolution of disputes.
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US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said he would visit an American aircraft carrier in the South China Sea on Thursday as US-Chinese tensions over the waterway escalate. Speaking after a regional summit Wednesday, Carter said he would fly out to the nuclear-powered USS Theodore Roosevelt, which "is conducting routine operations while transiting the South China Sea".

Carter's visit could increase discord between Washington and Beijing over Chinese claims to virtually the entire Sea, and its attempts to reinforce those claims by turning reefs and tiny islets into full-fledged islands through reclamation. Last week Washington pressed its right to freedom of navigation by sending the guided missile destroyer USS Lassen to within 12 nautical miles of at least one of the artificial islets in the Spratlys chain, angering China.

Earlier Wednesday Carter attended an Asia-Pacific defence ministers' meeting in Malaysia that ended on a sour note as the United States and China butted heads over whether a final joint statement should mention the South China Sea. "We could not reach a consensus on a joint declaration," Malaysian Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein told reporters.

Carter said he had gone into the summit with "no expectation" there would be an agreement. That illustrates "the level of concern that was reflected in the conversation about activities in the South China Sea", he said, noting that all countries he met with raised the issue.

"It was a persistent topic," he said. "To me, that says that's something we all need to pay attention to."

But both China and the United States pointed the finger at each other. The US side said several Southeast Asian defence ministers opposed China's demand that the South China Sea be left out of any statement. A US official said the United States felt that "no statement is better than one that avoids the important issue of China's reclamation and militarisation in the South China Sea".

China's claims to almost all the waterway are widely disputed.

Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei and Taiwan also have various claims, some overlapping, though none are as extensive as Beijing's.

"We urge all claimants to permanently halt land reclamation, stop the construction of new facilities and cease further militarisation of disputed maritime features," Carter said. The Sea has long been viewed as a potential flashpoint, and the Chinese island-building has heightened fears of conflict. The work includes runways and other large-scale development, making the islands potentially capable of hosting military personnel and hardware. The US official stressed that the Roosevelt would be far from any of the reclaimed Chinese "islands" at the time of Carter's visit, and the ship was not conducting the sort of freedom of navigation cruise performed by the USS Lassen.
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http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_...hip_in_SChina_Sea_as_tension_simmers_999.html
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...made-islands-in-south-china-sea/?intcmp=hpbt3

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...usa-idUSKCN0T12G720151112#W3kJ2tgfuu7yrjOd.97


US B-52 bombers fly near Chinese man-made islands in South China Sea

Two American B-52 bombers flew near artificial islands built by China in the South China Sea last week in the latest close encounter between U.S. and Chinese forces in the disputed area.

The Pentagon confirmed the flights Thursday, saying the B-52s were contacted by Chinese air traffic controllers, but completed their mission as planned.

"We conduct B-52 flights in international air space in that part of the world all the time," Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said. "My understanding is there was one B-52 flight, I'm not even sure the date on it, but there was an effort made by Chinese ground controllers to reach out to that aircraft and that aircraft continued its mission. Nothing changed."

Pentagon spokesman Bill Urban told Reuters the flights took place on the night of Nov. 8-9 and the bombers took off from and returned to Guam on a routine mission. He added that the bombers did not fly within the 12-nautical mile zone that China claims as its territory around the Spratly Islands.

Washington and Beijing are locked in a diplomatic dispute over the South China Sea, with China declaring territorial sovereignty over the region while the U.S. insists on freedom of navigation.


Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Friday that China opposed flights that used such freedoms as mere legal cover, strongly implying that Beijing considered the flights by the B-52 bombers on Sunday and Monday as an excuse to challenge China's territorial claims in the South China Sea.

China "firmly opposes violating international law and undermining China's sovereignty and security interests under the pretext of navigation and overflight freedom," Hong told reporters at a regular news conference.

In an effort to consolidate its claim, China has been piling sand on the reefs and atolls in the Spratly Islands archipelago before adding buildings, ports and airstrips big enough to handle bombers and fighter jets. China has also attempted to impose a 12-nautical mile limit around the islands, contrary to international law, which says such limits cannot be set around islands built on previously submerged reefs.

Last month, the U.S. dispatched the destroyer USS Lassen to sail within the 12-nautical mile limit around the Spratlys. China reacted angrily to the move, claiming that the ship "threatened China's sovereignty and security interests, jeopardized the safety of personnel and facilities on the reefs, and damaged regional peace and stability."

An estimated $5 trillion in global trade passes through the South China Sea every year. The issue is expected to linger in the background when President Barack Obama attends the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in the Philippines next week, and later have meetings with Southeast Asian leaders in Malaysia.

A U.S. treaty ally, the Philippines has strongly contested China's territorial assertions. Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam also exercise claims in the region.

Fox News' Lucas Tomlinson contributed to this report
 
Vähän turhaa lennätellä koska kaikki tietävät ettei Obamasta ole mihinkään. Kiinalaiset voisivat pamauttaa yhden pommikoneen alas ja siitä ei seuraisi yhtään mitään toimenpiteitä.
 
Yle uutisoi samasta asiasta:
http://yle.fi/uutiset/japani_vastaa...istellyille_saarille_satoja_sotilaita/8482956
Japani vastaa Kiinan varustautumiseen: kiistellyille saarille satoja sotilaita
Joukkojen tehtävänä on estää Kiinaa miehittämästä Japanin ja Kiinan välissä sijaitsevia saaria

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Japanin puolustusministeriö aikoo sijoittaa vahvan sotilasyksikön saarille, joiden omistuksesta se kiistelee Kiinan kanssa. Saarille on tarkoitus sijoittaa vuoden 2019 alkuun mennessä noin 500 sotilasta.

Asiasta sovittiin, kun Japanin apulaispuolustusministeri Kenji Wakamiya tapasi tänään torstaina Senkaku-saarten pormestarin Yoshitaka Nakayaman.

Sotilaiden tehtävänä on estää ulkomaisten joukkojen tunkeutuminen alueelle. Lisäksi mukana on ohjuspuolustusyksikkö.

Kiina sanoo, että saaret kuuluvat sille. Kiinaksi asumaton saariryhmä tunnetaan nimellä Diaoyu.

Japanin päätös joukkojen sijoittamisesta saarille on vastaveto Kiinan toimille. Kiina on lisännyt sotilaallista läsnäoloaan kyseisillä merialueilla ja lähettänyt sotalaivojaan saarten lähelle.

Lähteet: AP
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Vuoden 19 alkuun mennessä. Toivottavasti ei vuoden 18 aikana. Tuollaisia kun menee ääneen huutelemaan etukäteen, ja tietää kiinan tekosaarten rakennustahdin, niin ei hyvä.
Heti kohta sinne pitäisi mennä, ennen kuin Kiina julistaa moisen toimenpiteen olevan hyökkäys sen alueelle.
 
aj77 kirjoitti:
Vuoden 19 alkuun mennessä. Toivottavasti ei vuoden 18 aikana. Tuollaisia kun menee ääneen huutelemaan etukäteen, ja tietää kiinan tekosaarten rakennustahdin, niin ei hyvä.
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Japania on ainakin aloittanut merivalvonnan ja harjoittelee USA:n kanssa ...

Japan ready to patrol South China Sea, navy official says
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...h-China-Sea-navy-official-says/1001448468177/


A First: Japanese and US Navies Hold Exercise in South China Sea
Following Malabar 2015, a Japanese destroyer and a U.S. carrier are exercising together in the South China Sea.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/10/a-first-japanese-and-us-navies-hold-exercise-in-south-china-sea/
 
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Ei niin uusi entistä vaarallisempi konflikti on muhinut jo pitempään Etelä Kiina merellä, jota Kiina haluaa valvontaansa rakentaen sinne keinotekoista saarijärjestelmää USA:n ja alueen maiden varoituksista huolimatta.

Kiinan ohella vesialueista ja alueen johtoasemasta kiistelevät Intia, Japani ja Etelä Korea, mutta monet muut alueen maat (ainakin Indonesia, Filippiinit, Vietnam, Malesia ja Singapore) ovat erittäin huolestuneita tilanteen kehittymisestä.

Vesialueitten valvonta ja omistus voivat aiheuttaa vaikeuksia kansainväliselle meriliikenteelle, missä USA tulee kuvaan mukaan 12 maan TPP-sopimuksen (Trans Pacific Partnership) puitteissa, jossa USA on mukana. USA käyttää 1 triljoona USD vuosittain alueen turvallisuutta takaavan sotilaallisen mahdin ylläpitämiseksi.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article53214.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership
 
http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/Kiina Australia-44466

Kiinalta pahaenteinen varoitus: "Olisi sääli, jos australialainen kone putoaisi taivaalta"

Kiinan valtion omistama sanomalehti varoittaa Australiaa voimakkain sanankääntein lähettämästä ilmavoimiensa lentokoneita harjoittelemaan Etelä-Kiinanmeren ylle.

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    Spartlysaaret sijaitsevat Etelä-Kiinan merellä.

    (Google Maps)
Kiinan valtion omistama The Global Times varoittaa kiinankielisessä pääkirjoituksessaan Australiaa siitä, että maan lentokoneet voidaan ampua alas, jos ne jatkavat harjoitusoperaatioitansa Etelä-Kiinanmeren yllä, kertoo ABC News.

Australian ilmavoimien lentokone lensi tiistaina kiisteltyjen Spartly-saarien yli Etelä-Kiinanmerellä. Etelä-Kiinan merellä on useita saarikiistoja. Spratly-saarista kiistelevät Kiinan lisäksi Malesia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei ja Filippiinit alueen luonnonvarojen vuoksi.

Kiina on julistanut saarten ympärille 12 merinpeninkulman (noin 22 kilometrin) alueen, jota se pitää omanaan. Kiina alkoi rakentaa riutoille saaria loppuvuodesta 2013.

Lentokoneen pilotti ilmoitti Kiinan laivastolle useaan kertaan ylilennostaan viitaten kansainväliseen merenkulkuvapauteen. Kiinalaiset eivät vastanneet ilmoitukseen.

The Global Timesin mukaan ”Australian ei pitäisi luottaa siihen, että se on tervetullut kiisteltyjen alueiden ilmatilaan”.

– On parempi, että australialaiset lentokoneet eivät tule säännöllisesti Etelä-Kiinanmerelle, eivätkä koettele Kiinan kärsivällisyyttä lentämällä Kiinan saarten läheisyydessä.

– Kaikki ovat aina olleet varovaisia, mutta olisi sääli, jos jokin lentokone putoaisi eräänä päivänä alas taivaalta ja kyseessä olisi australialainen kone.
 
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