Korean Sota Osa II ?

Onhan tämä Kimille myös voitto. Hän saa huipputapaamusen ikään kuin tasaveroisena. Minusta Trumpin pitää olla nyt hereillä. Tässä on riskejä.

Harhautusoperaatio? Putteko siellä käsikirjoittaa jotain temppuja vaiko Iranin Ajatollat?
 
Pidin tätä palstaa fiksumpana. Ei kai nyt täällä porukka oikeasti usko, että PK luopuisi ydinaseistaan? Sen tempun kun tekisivät niin Kimillä olisi yhtä äkkiä keppi perseessä mitä Gaddafilla. Täähän on ihan historialliseen kurssiin perustuvaa PK politiikkaa ja tällä voitetaan nimenomaan aikaa mitä uskottavan ydinpelotteen kehittäminen vaatii. Bonuksena on myös pakotteiden lievennys.
 
Ei, päinvastoin. Nykyisen kuninkaan isä yritti vuosikymmeniä saada Yhdysvaltoja kohtelemaan Pohjois-Korean kuningaskuntaa tasavertaisena. Siihen USA:n ulkoministeriö ei koskaan ole halunnut mennä, ja presidentit ovat kuunnelleet ulkoministeriötä. Nyt on sitten yksi jonka pitää saada huomio pois pornotähtösen kanteesta, joka suostuu tällaiseen kysymättä mitään ulkoministeriöltään.

Hyvin menee mutta menköön...

Ja eiköhän esteitä sille ydinaseriisumiselle ehdi ilmaantua...

Olinkin väärässä "paksun" suhteen, hän onkin aktiivinen ja on ilmoittautunut halukkuutensa Trumpin kanssa treffeille.
Tässähän voi olla PK:n väen onnenpäivät tulossa, taivaalta ei sadakkaan rautaa sen eri muodoissa (y).
 
Tosin kiina ei p-korealla tulleja estä. Jos se poistaa omat 30% tullit esim jenkkiautoilta niin päästään asiaan.
 
Ei Kim heikkouttaan tuolla näytä, voi tulla vallanvaihdos Pöö-Koreassa äkkiä. Kim itse seisoo jossain maalialueella :D
Kansa on kummiskin niin aivopesty, että jos yks kaks tehdään täyskäännös, niin tapahtuu rumia kun kansa tajuaa, että heitä on kusetettu viimenen 60vuotta.
 
will take a hardline position at his planned summit with the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, the White House said on Friday, as US officials scrambled to keep pace with the president after his sudden acceptance of Kim’s offer to talk.

In briefings after the surprise announcement – which would be the first ever meeting of leaders of the two countries – US officials made no mention of possible concessions that Trump might offer, other than saying that severe sanctions would stay in place until North Korea took verifiable steps to dismantle its nuclear weapons programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/09/trump-kim-talks-us-signals-hardline-stance
 
Voisi veikata että Usassakin on haukkaporukoita joilla motiivina on saada äkkiä tämä pois päiväjärjestyksestä. Pääsevät taas itse aiheeseen,eli Iraniin. Ajatollah jää ainoaksi ydinaseiden villiksi kortiksi.
 
Paras kirjoitus tämän hetkisestä tilanteesta.

Now that the shock of President Donald Trump’s decision to meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un in May has worn off, it's time to consider the broader strategic implications of how the U.S. can best approach Kim's lethal regime in particular, and Asia in general.

Let’s start with the tactical: Trump’s remarkable gamble of essentially “taking a meeting” with Kim -- seemingly without any prior planning or even developing a basic agenda -- is a fascinating new twist on traditional diplomacy. It will certainly capture headlines (and take a few away from Stormy Daniels), but will it really change anything? Doubtful. To reverse the old cliché of “it’ll get worse before it gets better,” the likelihood is that this one will get better before it gets worse (again). The fundamentals are bad, to say the least.

The likelihood of Kim ever giving up his nuclear weapons approaches negative infinity. After all, the reason he is willing to slow his program and come to a meeting with Trump is not the president's “fire and fury” rhetoric –- it is the simple fact that he and his scientists have worked hard, spent an enormous amount of his country’s limited resources, and built a boutique nuclear capability with demonstrable reach. That makes him, like Pinocchio, a “real boy” in the world of nuclear powers. He will never give that up, especially having watched other dictators like Iraq’s Saddam Hussein and Libya’s Muammar Qaddafi topple after walking away from their weapons of mass destruction.

Kim’s so-called peace offensive is the result of three things: the enormous cost of this program relative to his nation’s economy; how swiftly he has advanced his nuclear program's technology; and China’s willingness to actually enforce some United Nations sanctions that have been largely ignored until a few months ago. The Olympics in South Korea provided a convenient moment for him to dispatch his sister Kim Yo Jong -- the "Princess of Pyongyang" (Disney movie to follow) -- to trot out the best-known maneuver in the North Korean playbook: come to the table, get everyone excited about “peace in our time,” demand and receive concessions, and revert to bad behavior.

Still, with all these caveats, we should still open talks with North Korea. Anything is possible, especially in a dystopian and unpredictable (but not irrational) regime like North Korea. So let’s have a conversation, hopefully with a well-briefed, historically grounded negotiating team backing up our poorly briefed and highly mercurial president. Tactically, there is little to lose. But more importantly, let’s take a strategic look at how to play the hand of cards.

While the U.S. certainly ought to be mindful of North Korea’s growing nuclear capability and intercontinental ballistic missiles, they are in the end a highly tactical and isolated concern. Instead of putting North Korea at the center of our Asian agenda, we should step back and consider what America's real interests are in the region. North Korea is not the centerpiece of our Asia-Pacific strategy. What really matters?

First and most important are the U.S. relationships with key allies, partners and friends. These range from treaty allies whom Washington is sworn to defend -- Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines and Thailand -- to nations with whom it shares very close political, economic and defense relationships. The latter include Singapore and Malaysia, and now increasingly India, Vietnam and Indonesia. Our most vital interest is ensuring we maintain our principle advantage over China and Russia: that network of close partners.

Second, we should recognize that the relationship that truly matters in Asia is that between the two dominant Pacific powers: China and the U.S. We need a coherent, thoughtful, long-term strategic approach for dealing with China that encompasses -- but is not dominated by -- the North Korean issue. This means listening to our partners (especially Japan); playing the long game against Chinese demands for territorial control of the South China Sea; pushing back on Chinese cyber-forays; and maintaining a qualitative military edge over Beijing.

Third, in terms of talks, we need to think bigger than just the U.S. and North Korea. Washington should look to expand the South Korean-North Korean dialog from a two-party conversation to a legitimate four party engagement: bringing both the U.S. and China to the table. Only by providing security guarantees to both sides of the Demilitarized Zone can we hope to move forward. And over the longer term, getting Japan into the conversation -- and also perhaps Russia, a legitimate Pacific power -- may make sense. Six-party talks can cover a vastly greater range of issues.

While we're at it, one hopes the Trump administration will take another look at the idea of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the trade agreement between a dozen Pacific countries who are moving forward despite the U.S. withdrawal from the accord.

In terms of the May meeting between Trump and Kim, we should hope that it follows the fundamental dictate of the Hippocratic Oath: "Do no harm." While a summit may prove momentarily satisfying, it is essentially a sugar high. A more lasting prescription would be to take a strategic approach, listen intently to our regional allies (especially Japan), incorporate China into the conversation now, and make sure Kim Jong Un knows he is not the centerpiece of the show. That’s what really matters in Asia today.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...korea-talks-trump-has-bigger-problems-in-asia
 
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