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Toinen keino on jalostaa Venäjän raakaöljyä Valko-Venäjällä, jonka jalostamoilla on ylikapasiteettia.
Valko-ryssälän "ylikapasiteetti" tarkoittanee sitä, ettei heidän koko jalostuskapasiteetti ole käytössä. Asiassa on vain yksi pieni mutta: kapasiteetin nostaminen on melko hankalaa, jos Ukraina on pistänyt ryssälästä tulevan öljyputken ja sen pumppaamot paskaksi...
 
”Brysselissä ei ole valmiutta lähteä siihen. Meillä on niin isot talousintressit turvattavana sekä Intian että Kiinan kanssa”, diplomaatti perustelee.
– Komission syytä olla tarkkana, koska tämä haisee lähinnä siltä, että yritetään viedä rahoitusta pois niiltä mailta, jotka aidosti haluavat nostaa puolustuskykyä Venäjää vastaan ja tukea Ukrainaa
 
Droonilennätys kustantaa tavallaan:
"Poland refuses to reopen its border with Belarus, cutting China off from a €25B/year trade artery. Some 90% of China-EU rail freight moves through Poland, now frozen amid Zapad-2025 drills and a Russian drone incursion. Beijing asked Warsaw to restore the route (vital for platforms like Temu & Shein) but after 3 hours of talks, FM Sikorski said no. With sea routes slower and air transport up to 30% more expensive, Europe’s e-commerce supply chains risk serious disruption"
 
Tuo CN EU rail on alkujaan perustunut pääosin Euroopan autoteollisuuden tarpeisiin. JOT'tia tuotantolinjoille ja varastoja pois.
Toki siitä voi nauttia muukin konepaja-teollisuus jos kustannuksena voi ottaa enemmän kuin merikonteilla tuonti.

Ei ole mikään oikea ongelma.

Muutama iso firma narisee junan puuttumista, mutta asian voi paikata meritiellä ja hieman lisää varastoja. Työtöntä porukkaa meillä on varastotöihin.

Ei niiden autojen yms valmistamisessa nyt niin hirvee kiire ole.

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Xi on varmasti seurannut ryssän tempoilua. Kun ei homma onnistunut heti alkuunsa niin pahasti tulee käymään. Ei ole Kiinallekaan helppo pala yrittää meren yli Taiwania, joka on ihan toisella tavalla valmistautunut kuin Ukraina oli. Voi jäädä kokeilematta kokonaan.

Siinä voi tulla kuninkaallisesti turpaan. Edellyttää kovaa laivaston käyttöä ja ennen sitä on vähintään lamautettava Taiwanin ilmavoimat.
 
Ukrainan sota -ketjussa @Kiusankpl jakoi tällaisen löydöksen joka on väitetysti lähetetty Putinille tasan kaksi kuukautta sitten:

12 russian senators are warning that failure to end the war against Ukraine and get sanctions dropped will cause severe economic issues in russia.

Amur oblast senator Ivan Abramov's email was hacked recently, and the hackers found an appeal (translated to English below) sent on July 18th to putin to end the war which was signed by a dozen senators from across the swamps. The letter describes in detail 10 different economic warning signs and said the lifting of sanctions by accepting the US peace proposal and reducing costs by ending the war was the only way to prevent severe issues for russia.

You mean the kremlin is LYING when they say sanctions aren't having an effect?? Nobody could have guessed that.


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Laitan kuvien englanninkielisten tekstien käännöksen suomeksi spoilerin taakse jos haluaa lukea sanasta sanaan mitä he ovat Putinille kirjoittaneet (olettaen että tämä on totta eikä väärennös tai muuta propagandaa - dokumentti on päivätty 18.7.2025 eli tasan kaksi kuukautta sitten):

APPEAL

FEDERATION COUNCIL OF THE FEDERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

to the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin in connection with the current socio-economic situation in the country

Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!

The Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation expresses its support for your efforts to strengthen the foundations of state authority, ensure the supremacy of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, and ensure strict enforcement of federal laws. These steps will help consolidate society, improve the effectiveness of public administration, and maintain the stability of the political system in the face of growing external challenges and internal socioeconomic pressure. Your stated position is largely consistent with the proposals of the Federation Council, which reflect a desire to preserve the unity of the country, strengthen the rule of law, and protect the interests of Russian citizens.

We, the undersigned senators of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, express our concern regarding the negative trends growing in the country's socio-economic development, caused by unprecedented external sanctions pressure, the disruption of global supply chains for goods and services, and structural imbalances in the economy.

Despite government efforts to stabilize the financial system and support industry through public investment and subsidies, an increasing number of industries are experiencing declining production activity and deteriorating labor conditions. The following are particularly concerning:

1) Job cuts and the transition of key industrial enterprises to a shorter workweek, which affects the well-being of thousands of Russian families. A decline in production by tens of percent is observed even at key enterprises (KAMAZ, Kirov, AvtoVAZ, Petersburg Tractor Plant), which also operate within the framework of state defense orders, which indicates a lack of public investment to support a high level of production.

2) Industrial capacity utilisation began to decline in the second quarter of 2025, indicating that the industrial production boost provided by the SVO had exhausted its potential.

3) The inability to ensure a high level of investment and support for systemically important enterprises and small and medium-sized businesses in the context of declining budget revenues and a growing budget deficit. Based on the results of the first six months of 2025, the budget deficit is a record 3.7 trillion rubles, and could reach 8 trillion rubles by the end of the year. According to the 2025 federal budget law, the budget deficit was initially projected to be 1.17 trillion rubles, but was revised upward in April to 3.79 trillion rubles.

4) The liquid portion of the National Welfare Fund is 4.13 trillion rubles. This is no longer sufficient to cover the budget deficit.

5) A decrease in expected budget revenues and a simultaneous increase in expenditures. According to the electronic budget as of July 17, federal budget expenditures amount to 23.8 trillion rubles. Compared to the first half of the year, 2.5 trillion rubles were spent over the 17 days of July, or 140 billion rubles per day. By comparison, expenditures in the first half of the year were 118 billion rubles per day. Revenues from oil and gas exports fell by a third in July 2025. Along with the reduction in production and imports, non-oil and gas revenues will decrease accordingly. For example, in the first half of 2025, Tatarstan's budget revenues from corporate income tax were 2.2 billion rubles lower than in the same period last year.

6) Reduced funding for national projects due to reduced budget revenues. For example, the national project "Development of Space Activities," which has zero funding in 2025, is only slightly more funded than projects like "New Health-Saving Technologies," "New Materials and Chemistry", and others. In the first quarter of 2025, no funding was received for the largest federal projects, "Efficient Transport System," "Development of the Northern Sea Route," "Development of the Seaport Support Network," "Development of Human Resources in the Transport Industry," and others. The federal project "Modernization of Public Utilities Infrastructure was only 1.3% complete in the first quarter of 2025, which will inevitably lead to problems with housing and utilities within a few months.

(HUOM: jostain syystä kohta nro 7) puuttuu sekä käännöksestä että alkuperäisestä dokumentista)

8) In retail trade, the expected average growth rate of wholesale prices has also increased. Fuel prices are also rising, which will inevitably lead to a new round of inflation.

9) Declining GDP growth. The Central Bank of Russia maintained its 2025 GDP growth forecast at 1-2%, according to its medium-term forecast. By comparison, GDP growth in 2024 was 4.1%. Investment opportunities have been virtually exhausted and no longer provide for high growth.

10) A decline in consumer demand, an increase in food prices (by 18% over the year), for certain categories of goods, and a decrease in household incomes in certain regions have been recorded. The economic slowdown is only possible through expanding domestic and foreign trade, which requires revising the sanctions regime and changing the external goal of developing cooperation between Russian enterprises and increasing exports. We also believe it is necessary to review the costs of conducting special operations in order to reduce and compensate for the losses of systemically important enterprises and small and medium-sized businesses. Due to the priority given to spending on special operations, Russia is losing not only its industrial potential but also geopolitical opportunities due to the curtailment of projects related to the Northern Sea Route, space development, Arctic exploration, and others.

We confirm our readiness to cooperate with the Government of Russian Federation, regional authorities, and public associations to ensure the sustainability of the Russian economy, protect the labor rights of citizens, and maintain social stability.

Taking into account the above circumstances, and in order to de-escalate the conflict and stabilize the international situation, we ask that you consider the possibility of completing the Special Military Operation in Ukraine in accordance with the settlement plan proposed by the United States of America.

This decision, in our view, could serve as the basis for the beginning of a comprehensive peace process, the restoration of trust between the parties, and provide an opportunity to reduce military spending and ensure the partial lifting of sanctions by the West, which will have a positive impact on the economic situation in the country.

Sincerely,

Senators of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation:

1) Ivan Nikolaevich, representative of the executive body of state power of the Amur region (series ID 32, ID No. 052)

2) Altabaeva Ekaterina Borisovna, representative of the executive body of state power of the city of Sevastopol (series ID 80, ID No. 056)

3) Afanasov Mikhail Aleksandrovich, of the representative of executive body of state power of Stavropol Krai (series ID 30, ID No. 205)

4) Belousov Mikhail Vladimirovich,representative of the executive body of state power of Tambov region (series ID 70, ID No. 232)

5) Bogomozov Evgeny Artemovich, representative of the executive body of state power of the Vologda region (series ID 39, ID No. 298)

6) Borshchev Mikhail Mikhailovich, Artemovich, representative of the executive body of state power of the Tula region (series ID 73, ID No. 303)

7) Brilka Sergey Fateevich, representative of the legislative (representative) body of state power of the Irkutsk region (series ID 42, ID No. 070)

8) Weinberg Alexander Vladelenovich, representative of the legislative (representative) body of state power of the Nizhny Novgorod region (series ID 55, ID No. 072)

9) Varfolomeev Alexander Georgievich, representative of the legislative (representative) body of state power Republic of Buryatia (series ID 04, ID No. 073)

10) Vorobyov Nikolay Yuryevich, representative of the executive body of state power of the Tula region (series ID 73, ID No. 300)

11) Gornyakov Sergey Vasilyevich, representative of the legislative (representative) body of state power of the Volgograd region (series ID 38, ID No. 081)

12) Dyagileva Elena Vasilievna, representative of the OT executive body of state power of the Murmansk region (series ID 54, ID No. 299)

 
Isot länsimaiset öljy-yhtiöt vähentävät ilmastohumppaa ja investoivat merkittävästi enemmän uusiin kaasu- ja öljylähteisiin sekä niiden etsintään.


Fossiilisten käyttämisestä on helppo keskustella ja kokoustaa, toinen asia on lopettaa tai edes radikaalisti vähentää käyttöä.

Time crisis.... Mikä on parempaa varastoitavaa kuin energiatiheät fossiiliset? Kaasu nesteenä, öljy ja kivihiili ovat kuin luotuja varastoon. Ja takuulla valtiot tankkaavat varastojaan.

Miksi hinnat eivät nouse? Onko tehty tuottajien kanssa piiiitkiä sopimuksia, joihin on ollut helppo ryhtyä?
 
Fossiilisten käyttämisestä on helppo keskustella ja kokoustaa, toinen asia on lopettaa tai edes radikaalisti vähentää käyttöä.

Time crisis.... Mikä on parempaa varastoitavaa kuin energiatiheät fossiiliset? Kaasu nesteenä, öljy ja kivihiili ovat kuin luotuja varastoon. Ja takuulla valtiot tankkaavat varastojaan.

Miksi hinnat eivät nouse? Onko tehty tuottajien kanssa piiiitkiä sopimuksia, joihin on ollut helppo ryhtyä?

Lähes kaikesta on ylituotantoa nyt ja kyllä lähes kaikissa noista on myös kulutus laskevalla trendillä, ehkä kaasu nousee vähän.

Ja ylituotanto tilanne on tarkoituksella tehty, jotta hinnat eivät nouse.

Drill baby, drill.

Ja samaan hengenvetoon on "kehoitettu" mm. OPECin jäsenmaita lisäämään tuotantoa (Saudi-Arabia, UAE, Kazakstan, Irak jne.) ja vähemmän yllättävästi tuotantoa ajavat ylöspäin kartellin sisällä ne maat , joilla on tiukin side Yhdysvaltoihin.

Itsekukainenkin voi vetää viivan pisteiden välille, että kenen savijaloilla horjuvaa taloutta tässä ajetaan nurin painamalla hinnat alas.
 
Kävin vilkaisemassa mitä Sergey Vakulenko / Сергей Вакуленко (Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center) on kirjoittanut viime aikoina. Tässä yksi artikkeli joka on julkaistu 2.9.2025 - tälle ei taida olla toistaseksi englanninkielistä käännöstä joten otin käännökse Google Translatella (tämä käännös hävittää hyperlinkit joita artikkelissa on aina toisinaan, kannattaa siis vilkaista myös alkuperäisen artikkelin kääntämätöntä tekstiä jossa nämä yksityiskohdat kiinnostavat):

The Price of Dirigisme. How Government Regulation Led the Russian Gasoline Market to Crisis

The damper was supposed to relieve the Russian economy and the average consumer from the harmful effects of unstable market conditions. But in the long term, it turns out that the problems it was supposed to solve didn't actually exist, or were insignificant, while the resulting distortions are growing and becoming increasingly costly.

Sergey Vakulenko

September 2, 2025


https://carnegieendowment.org/russi...soline-politics?lang=ru&center=russia-eurasia

The Price of Dirigisme. How Government Regulation Led the Russian Gasoline Market to Crisis

The damper was supposed to relieve the Russian economy and the average consumer from the harmful effects of unstable market conditions. But in the long term, it turns out that the problems it was supposed to solve didn't actually exist, or were insignificant, while the resulting distortions are growing and becoming increasingly costly.

Sergey Vakulenko

September 2, 2025

The Russian Federation has added the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace to its list of "undesirable organizations." If you are located in Russia, please do not publicly link to this article.


Russia regularly experiences "gasoline crises"—periods of localized fuel shortages and rising prices. The immediate trigger is usually a seasonal increase in demand due to agricultural work and summer vacations, as well as a decrease in supply due to scheduled maintenance at refineries.

In theory, the Russian oil industry should be able to easily cope with such seasonal fluctuations thanks to its impressive size. However, the Russian motor fuel market is structured in such a way that price signals are dampened. This makes it unprofitable for individual suppliers to react to changing market conditions. This indifference is the price paid for the government's attempts to stabilize fuel prices.

The government's main tool for achieving price stability is the "damper mechanism." It has been in use since 2019, and, according to the authorities, it has repeatedly proven its effectiveness. However, a careful analysis of how the Russian gasoline market has developed over the past decade reveals that such regulation may actually do more harm than good.

From Duties to a Damper

What is the price of gasoline at the pump? Let's imagine this is happening in a country that imports gasoline at global prices. These prices depend primarily on the price of the raw material, namely, oil. Gasoline typically trades at a 25-27% premium to Brent crude oil on the exchange. This is understandable: oil refineries need to cover operating costs and still make some money. However, "usually" doesn't mean "always." For example, in March 2020, the difference between the gasoline and crude oil exchange prices (the gasoline refining spread) was -26%. In May 2022, it was +67%. The first case was a response to the COVID-19 lockdown, the second to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

If our hypothetical country is located far from where gasoline is produced, it will also have to pay for transportation ($2-4 per barrel). Plus, local wholesalers and retailers will want their share of the profits (the retail spread). Finally, VAT will be charged on the sales price.

So, the price of gasoline at the pump is the global oil price + gasoline refining spread + transportation costs + retail spread + VAT + possibly excise tax.

Now consider the situation in a country producing and exporting gasoline. The first three elements of the formula are replaced by the "export alternative price." In the simplest case, this is the global exchange price of gasoline minus the cost of transportation from that country to the exchange. If a refinery owner sells gasoline in their own country, they won't have to pay for delivery to a distant market. In other words, selling at a lower price in their own country will make the same profit as selling at a higher price in a distant market.

It doesn't matter whether gasoline is produced from imported oil or from domestically produced oil. If exports are unlimited, the price at which a refinery is willing to sell oil domestically cannot be lower than the export revenue minus transportation costs. It may be higher if the market is not very competitive for some reason. Below, however, the differences are limited to the extent that real production and supply chains differ from ideal models capable of instantly responding to market signals, and only during the period of market rebalancing. The price and terms of the plant's purchase of raw materials for the production of the final product are completely irrelevant.

The wholesale gasoline market is global, so this price component is essentially dollar-denominated and depends, among other things, on the national currency exchange rate. If the national currency weakens against the dollar, then, with a constant dollar price for gasoline on global wholesale markets, the price at the pump in rubles, dinars, or, say, euros should also rise. Excise taxes in most countries are set in the national currency, and the desired retail margin also includes a significant component of local cost factors, but the price of gasoline itself is a dollar element.

For many years, the specifics of monetary policy in Russia were determined by a compensatory mechanism: when oil prices rose on the international market, the ruble strengthened, and vice versa. Thus, the global price of gasoline, converted into rubles, remained relatively stable.

The government can influence the size of the export alternative: it will decrease if an export duty is imposed. Let's assume gasoline sells for $100 per barrel in Rotterdam, transportation to that port costs $4 per barrel, and the Rotterdam market depth is unlimited. Under these conditions, selling gasoline wholesale in St. Petersburg for less than $96 per barrel makes no sense. But if an export duty of $20 per barrel is required upon export, then selling in St. Petersburg for $76 becomes profitable. If the seller exports gasoline, the $20 goes to the government, and if they sell domestically, the domestic buyer benefits: they get gasoline cheaper than foreigners. The duty acts as a wedge between foreign and domestic prices.

This is precisely how things worked in Russia throughout the 2000s and 2010s. There was an export duty on oil and petroleum products, with the former being higher: the government stimulated the export of petroleum products and also lowered domestic prices relative to foreign markets.

Since the early 2010s, Russia has been discussing a tax maneuver, and in 2015, implementation began. The idea was to gradually eliminate the export duty on both oil and petroleum products. Before the tax maneuver, the state collected part of the natural resource rent from oil production at the well in the form of a mineral extraction tax (MET), and part from exports in the form of an export duty, which benefited domestic consumers. After the maneuver, all rent was to be collected at the well, regardless of where the product was subsequently sold.

At the same time, the state began systematically increasing the excise tax on petroleum products. As a result, while in 2015 the price of a liter of gasoline in Russia still included a subsidy derived from the still-high export duty and the low excise tax of approximately 3 rubles per liter of 92-octane gasoline, by early 2018, the combination of the increased excise tax and the decreasing duty wedge had led to the effective excise tax accounting for approximately 8.5 rubles per liter. In other words, within three years, indirect taxes had come to account for approximately 25% of the price per liter.

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In the spring of 2018, global oil and gasoline prices began to rise noticeably, while the ruble simultaneously weakened. This led to a sharp increase in the effective price of gasoline as an export alternative. The government had always told major Russian oil companies that they should be socially responsible and not increase fuel prices for end consumers too quickly, maintain a wide range of gasoline at their stations, and sell sufficient wholesale volumes to independent retailers. In 2018, the companies did comply with the first two points, but they refused to sell gasoline to domestic wholesalers at a "socially responsible" price lower than the export alternative. As a result, independent gas stations ran out of gasoline, and a "fuel crisis" ensued.

Even without the ability to export gasoline and without the alternative value of gasoline in the form of the export alternative price, Russian oil companies would still not have been able to maintain their existing gasoline prices given the rising global oil price and the declining ruble. It would seem that companies primarily produce fuel from the same oil they extract themselves, rather than buying it on the market. And their production costs are primarily in rubles. Why then is there a link to the global dollar price? The technical cost of oil production isn't limited to this. As soon as a ton of oil passes the fiscal meter at the entrance to the main pipeline, the company must pay a mineral extraction tax (MET) to the budget, which is calculated based on the current dollar price of oil on global markets. In 2018, the marginal MET rate was 50%, meaning that for every $10 increase in the oil price, the MET increased by $5, and companies could not avoid including these costs in the price of gasoline.

To increase the attractiveness of domestic sales while preventing gas station prices from rising, the government took a number of measures. For example, the excise tax was reduced by almost 3 rubles per liter by the end of 2018, and companies were strictly warned about the need for socially responsible behavior. But it was immediately clear that such manual control wouldn't go far. So the government began searching for a way to permanently stabilize prices. The result of this search was the damper mechanism, which was launched in July 2019.

Under this mechanism, an indicative exchange price for gasoline is set annually. Initially, it was assumed that it would be indexed by 5% annually. In 2023, the indexation rate was reduced to 3% per year. Large oil companies are required to sell a significant share of their gasoline production on the exchange. If the exchange price is lower than the export alternative price, the companies receive 68% of the difference from the budget. If it is higher, they pay the same 68% of the difference to the budget.

This is equivalent to a situation in which companies would enter into a swap transaction between the export alternative price and the Russian exchange price, albeit with an additional condition: the transaction is valid only within a 10% range around the indicative price. If average monthly exchange prices in a given month are above the upper limit of the corridor, even if they were significantly lower than the export alternative price, companies will not receive reimbursement from the budget.

Let's explain the economic rationale behind this scheme. The government continues to keep the input price of oil for refiners high, maintaining the level of production taxes. To reduce gasoline prices domestically, oil companies are required to sell it below its actual cost at this level of domestic oil prices. Part of their losses are compensated through a damping mechanism, derived from the same production tax. Technically, this is done even more simply: when calculating the oil production tax, the deduction due under the damping mechanism is taken into account.

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This scheme assumes, firstly, that the state does not fully compensate for losses. Secondly, companies assume an increasing share of the costs of maintaining stable prices. The damping mechanism is based on a frankly unrealistic level of gasoline price growth, especially given the government's actions: in 2022–2023, the excise tax on gasoline, which is part of the exchange price, increased annually by 4%, in 2024 by 5%, and in 2025 by 13.6%. The excise tax now accounts for about a quarter of the price of a liter, so this increase is very significant.

The complex structure that has emerged is designed in such a way that the well-being of each player depends on the behavior of others. When the exchange price approaches the corridor boundary, the risk arises that compensation will not be provided. Then, major players can, for example, maintain hope that the threshold will not be breached and behave cooperatively, placing sell orders at a price slightly below the threshold. Or one of them might lose hope and start selling above the threshold, prompting other players to follow suit. Therefore, after crossing the threshold, the price immediately jumps higher, and then has little chance of returning to the damper's operating range by the end of the month. This is precisely the effect observed on the gasoline exchange during the current crisis.

The first major gasoline crisis of the damper era occurred in 2023. At that time, all Russian government agencies were faced with the task of finding sources of additional budget revenue and reducing costs. One solution was to halve payments under the damper mechanism: oil companies began paying 34% of lost revenue from domestic sales instead of 68%. Naturally, no one planned to reduce the mineral extraction tax on oil, the maximum rate of which reached 75% by 2023.

In response, oil companies predictably began to reduce their sales on the exchange, although they maintained sales through their own gas station networks. The government responded with a ban on gasoline exports (forcing companies to either sell domestically or significantly reduce refining volumes) and threats of antitrust investigations, but ultimately restored the previous level of compensation. Since then, authorities have annually banned gasoline exports during the summer as a preventative measure.

The Illusion of Need

The Russian government introduced the damper system for several reasons. Rising gasoline prices are hitting consumers hard, fueling discontent with economic policy and fueling inflation expectations (the widespread belief is that fuel consumption accounts for a large portion of the cost of many goods). Furthermore, people see this as further proof that oil companies are making excess profits from the fuel trade, regardless of the price environment.

Public discontent is a problem for the government, regardless of how justified it is. But to what extent do these widespread perceptions correspond to reality?

The relationship between inflation and rising fuel prices has been examined in numerous studies. Some are empirical, while others are based on input-output matrices and input-output tables, popular in Russia since the Gosplan era. It turns out that even in agricultural production—a relatively fuel-intensive sector that produces low-cost goods—the share of petroleum products in the final product price does not exceed 10%, so even a 10% increase in petroleum product prices only increases production costs by 1%. Indeed, rising retail prices for petroleum products significantly increase citizens' inflation expectations, which affects their economic behavior.

Importantly, long-term stabilization of fuel prices—at a lower level at that—forces the government to implement long-term subsidies for gasoline consumption, a policy it attempted to abandon in the mid-2010s through a tax maneuver. Extensive global experience demonstrates the disadvantages of such subsidies. The longer it persists, the harder and more painful it is to give it up. But maintaining it is even more painful, for both importers and exporters of energy resources.

The high level of monopolization of the oil product market in Russia was cited as another reason for dirigism in the pricing of petroleum products. It was claimed that without such dirigism, market participants were inclined to raise gasoline prices under any circumstances and extract excessively high margins—and the indicative pricing mechanism supposedly effectively combats this.

To understand whether this is true, let's compare the dynamics of retail gasoline prices in Russia, the EU, and the US.

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The "strange" behavior of gasoline prices was observed only in ruble terms, but disappeared when converted to dollars. After the introduction of the damper, the ruble price trend persisted, but the correlation between the dollar-based price and prices in other markets weakened significantly.

Let's also compare the margins in petroleum product trade in Russia with those in other countries. In the US, the small-scale wholesale margin (the difference between distributor prices and the retail price) is tracked by the industry press. In Poland, for example, this value can be tracked because Orlen, a key player in the local market, publishes a long history of small-scale wholesale prices, while retail price information is available on the European Commission website. In Russia, large-scale wholesale and retail prices can be determined from open data, but the small-scale wholesale margin has to be estimated—to bring it into line with European and American denominators—based on fragmented data.

Nevertheless, based on these data and professional experience, it can be concluded that the small-scale wholesale margin for gasoline sales in Russia is relatively stable and, in the long term, amounts to approximately 3 rubles per liter of gasoline including VAT. With this adjustment, the retail margin can be calculated. It turns out that there have been no excess profits in the Russian fuel market. Therefore, from this perspective, there was no need for dirigisme.

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In the US, this figure is calculated per gallon (3.79 liters) and was for a long time significantly lower than both Russian and Polish figures. However, in recent years, it has increased and is now almost equal to these figures.

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Ultimately, the current system of gasoline price regulation in Russia is a prime example of "modern dirigisme," the desire to free the economy and the average consumer from the harmful effects of unstable market conditions using quasi-market and, at first glance, elegant technocratic tools, rather than crude manual control. In the short term, this works. But over the longer term, it becomes clear that the problems addressed by these sophisticated tools were either nonexistent or insignificant, while the resulting distortions are growing and becoming increasingly costly to the economy.

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Tässä toinen Sergey Vakulenko / Сергей Вакуленко (Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center) kirjoittama artikkeli, joka on julkaistu 15.9.2025 - tälle ei taida olla toistaseksi englanninkielistä käännöstä joten otin käännökse Google Translatella (tämä käännös hävittää hyperlinkit joita artikkelissa on aina toisinaan, kannattaa siis vilkaista myös alkuperäisen artikkelin kääntämätöntä tekstiä jossa nämä yksityiskohdat kiinnostavat):

The Bargaining Triad. What's Preventing Russia and China from Reaching an Agreement on Power of Siberia 2

The problem isn't the price itself, but the triad of "price, flexibility, and duration." For China, it's clear: if politics are removed from the equation, gas supplies along this route can be relied upon for many years after the pipeline is built. But China has a clear understanding of its gas needs for the next 15-20 years, and what happens after that is a big question.

Sergey Vakulenko

September 15, 2025

https://carnegieendowment.org/russi...china-gas-deals?lang=ru&center=russia-eurasia

The Bargaining Triad. What's Preventing Russia and China from Reaching an Agreement on Power of Siberia 2

The problem isn't the price itself, but the triad of "price, flexibility, and duration." For China, it's clear: if politics are removed from the equation, gas supplies along this route can be relied upon for many years after the pipeline is built. But China has a clear understanding of its gas needs for the next 15-20 years, and what happens after that is a big question.

Sergey Vakulenko

September 15, 2025

The Russian Federation has added the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace to its list of "undesirable organizations." If you are located in Russia, please do not publicly link to this article.


The announcement of progress in negotiations on the Power of Siberia 2 gas pipeline project, made during the Russian delegation's September visit to China, was entirely expected. An analysis of Chinese economic needs indicates that Beijing will need supplies through this pipeline by approximately 2030, and the project will take approximately five years to complete.

The rationale for a second Power of Siberia pipeline is obvious. China has a demand for gas and a need to hedge imports in the event of geopolitical crises, while Russia has large volumes of this fuel and a desire to compensate for Europe's withdrawal from it. However, political and transactional considerations significantly complicate the agreement on the parameters of the future contract.

Russia's Position

The Russian-Chinese gas trade is currently structured in such a way that China remains Moscow's only buyer capable of accepting the volumes of gas Russia is willing to supply. This isn't just due to the loss of the European market. Yamal's gas reserves are so vast that supplies to Europe alone were insufficient, even in the best of times—before 2022, and even before 2014—to fully monetize them.

Even then, Gazprom was making plans to export Yamal gas to China. Despite the long distance to the Chinese market, this could be profitable because the geology of the Yamal fields ensures very low gas prices at the wellhead. Considering that this region had already been developed and brought into commercial production in the 2010s with the launch of the Bovanenkovo field, increasing production—additional billions of cubic meters—would be even cheaper.

Construction of a pipeline from Yamal to China is a large and expensive project, but not unique in its kind. The distance from Yamal to Kyakhta on the Mongolian border is roughly the same as the distance from Urengoy to the Ukrainian border, and the section through Mongolia (935 km) is almost as long as the Ukrainian transit route. Even if the cost of delivery from Yamal to the Mongolian-Chinese border is approximately $100 per 1,000 cubic meters, the total cost of producing and delivering Russian gas to the Chinese market will be the lowest compared to competitors.

Chinese Market Prospects

China currently consumes just over 400 billion cubic meters of gas per year. About 60% of this comes from domestic production, with the remaining 40% covered by imports. Approximately half of this imported gas comes via pipelines—primarily from Russia and Turkmenistan—and the other half is in the form of LNG.

Indeed, China is already one of the world leaders in renewable energy development, which will continue to grow significantly. Nevertheless, the share of gas in the country's electricity sector remains low, while coal still accounts for over 50%. Replacing coal with gas in power generation reduces CO2 emissions by approximately half. In the municipal sector, switching from coal to gas is a simple way to improve air quality in cities, which is becoming an important goal for China.

This means that the development of renewable energy in the coming decades may slow the growth of fossil fuel consumption and help reduce the share of coal, but it is unlikely to halt the growth of gas demand. Furthermore, the widespread adoption of electric vehicles will increase electricity consumption, and China is currently converting trucks en masse to natural gas, in part to reduce its dependence on imported oil.

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According to forecasts from experts at CNPC, China’s largest oil and gas company, China’s gas demand will grow to 600–670 billion cubic meters by 2040. The lower limit (around 600 billion) corresponds to the scenario of moving toward carbon neutrality. The same study predicts China’s own gas production to peak at 280–310 billion cubic meters between 2035 and 2040. This means that by the second half of the 2030s, China’s total gas imports should grow from the current 180 billion to 290–390 billion cubic meters.

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Today, about a third of China's LNG imports come from Qatar, another third from Australia, 10% each from Russia and Malaysia, and the remaining 15% from other exporters. LNG production in Qatar and Russia will remain at current levels or grow in the foreseeable future. However, forecasts for Australia and Malaysia indicate a decline in production and exports in the 2030s due to rising domestic demand and depletion of the resource base. So Beijing will have to look for new sources of gas to replace supplies from these countries. There are hopes for new large LNG projects in Mozambique and Tanzania, but they will not fill the entire opening niche.

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Global LNG production capacity will grow by almost 300 billion cubic meters per year by 2030. However, this increase will be unevenly distributed: about half of the new volumes will come from the United States, another 20% from Qatar, and about 10% from Canada.

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Relying on supplies from the US is difficult for China. US-Chinese relations are going through hard times. Firstly, because of growing concerns around the Taiwan issue. Secondly, because the US now perceives China as both a military-political and an economic threat. Both Democratic and Republican administrations are waging trade wars with China, and the Chinese authorities are reciprocating.

Beijing and Washington are interested in continuing trade, but they are trying to minimize mutual dependence and not give the other side potential leverage. China has already demonstrated how restricting the export of raw materials, in its case key minerals, can be a strong argument in a trade dispute, but Beijing understands that if the Chinese economy depends on some import items from the US, then such vulnerability will certainly be exploited.

That is, China is unlikely to increase gas purchases from the US. In 2021, the United States shared 2nd-3rd place with Qatar among LNG exporters to China, but by 2024 it had fallen to fourth place with a share of about 5%. The last ship with a cargo of LNG for China left an American port in mid-November 2024, since then Beijing has stopped buying gas from the United States.

A similar break already happened in 2019, when Donald Trump, during his first presidential term, started a trade war with China, which ended with a major agreement. But the current conflict is apparently deeper and more protracted, and China is more aware of the strength of its negotiating position.

Beijing is increasingly resorting to demonstrative gestures emphasizing its strength, independence and ability to withstand American pressure. Apparently, it is in this context that the first open receipt of a cargo of LNG delivered to China from the sanctioned Russian project Arctic LNG 2 should be viewed. Moreover, the first trial purchases are turning into regular ones right before our eyes, and all this happened against the backdrop of the lavish SCO summit in Tianjin.

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For China, Russian and Central Asian gas have another important advantage over almost all LNG supplies. If tensions between China and the West escalate, the delivery of LNG to China may be in question. Cargo from Qatar and Africa passes through the Straits of Malacca and Taiwan. Cargo from Malaysia, Indonesia, and Australia ends up in the South China Sea, bypassing the Strait of Malacca, but the need to pass by Taiwan remains.

An additional risk is associated with the fact that almost all large LNG projects in the world are implemented with significant participation of companies headquartered in the United States and other NATO countries. Against this background, supplies from Russia and Central Asia through pipelines running deep in the continent are a useful insurance against this risk.

Therefore, despite numerous suspensions and delays, Beijing continues to build Line D of the Central Asia-China pipeline with a capacity of 30 billion cubic meters per year. But in any case, this volume will not be enough to fully meet China's growing needs.

Three-dimensional bargaining
China needs gas, Russia has large volumes, but there remains one more fundamental issue that could theoretically create a barrier to expanding trade. Beijing's informal policy implies that no exporter of critical resources to China should occupy an excessively large market share.

Meanwhile, the existing and contracted volumes of gas supplies from Russia for the near future make Russia's share impressive. 38 billion cubic meters per year via the Power of Siberia - 1, an additional 6 billion cubic meters of increased supplies along this route, 10 billion cubic meters from Sakhalin plus an additional 2 billion cubic meters from there give a total of 56 billion cubic meters. And here we must also add the significant volumes of Russian LNG supplies. Such figures create that excessively high share, which Beijing does not want to exceed.

However, one should not exaggerate Beijing's scrupulousness in this matter. For example, Line D of the gas pipeline from Turkmenistan will more than double supplies from there, which in 2024 already amounted to about 32 billion cubic meters. And Chinese strategists do not see a problem in this, nor in the fact that Turkmen gas goes through several transit countries at once.

When Russian pipeline exports reach the volumes stated in press releases, their share in China's import portfolio, which has grown by that time, will be from 27% to 36%. If we talk about gas consumption as a whole, it will be 16-17.6%. The figures are significant, but not overwhelming.

Fundamentally, everything looks like literally all the stars should favor the speedy implementation of Power of Siberia 2 and the expansion of Russian gas supplies to China. But, in addition to fundamental ones, there are also political and transactional considerations.

For Russia, the price of gas at the Chinese border, below which supplies become completely unprofitable, is about $120-130 per thousand cubic meters. For China, the alternative to Russian pipeline supplies is LNG, which costs an average of $370. This creates ample room for negotiations, but at the same time increases the complexity of the deal: each side is well aware of the other's BATNA (Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement).

Russian negotiators know that under Power of Siberia 1 they agreed to the most unfavorable conditions compared to other gas sellers. Gas from Turkmenistan is sold at the Chinese border according to almost the same formula as gas from Russia, but at a price $50 more per thousand cubic meters. And this is despite the fact that Russian gas is delivered to the outskirts of Beijing, and Turkmen gas is delivered to the far western border of China.

Moscow probably wants to correct the mistakes of the past and negotiate terms at least comparable to those under which the Central Asian countries trade. Chinese negotiators know this, too, and this fact serves as an anchor for new negotiations. Why should China be accommodating now, if toughness bore fruit at a time when Russia was in a much more comfortable position?

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In addition, there are considerations of the duration and flexibility of the contract. It is advantageous for Russia to demand the longest possible contract with minimal flexibility. The main costs for it are for the construction of the pipeline - a fixed investment at the start, which is gradually recouped with each thousand cubic meters.

Economically, this is similar to buying a house for rent: the owner wants the apartments not to be empty, and the tenants to pay steadily. The higher the expected volatility of the future cash flow, the higher the price must be asked to obtain an equal return adjusted for this volatility.

The commercial life of the project is also important. If there is confidence that the project will generate revenue in a quarter of a century, current payments may be smaller. If the future is uncertain, then you want the project to pay off quickly, covering the construction costs during the period of guaranteed cash flow.

In the case of the Russian-Chinese gas contract, the problem is not in a single price, but in the triad of "price - flexibility - duration". For China, it is obvious that if politics are removed from the equation, then after the pipeline is built, gas supplies along this route can be relied upon for many years. But China has a good understanding of its gas needs for the next 15-20 years, and what will happen after that is a big question. It is difficult to predict how quickly China's renewable energy will develop.

The same goes for flexibility. China buys part of its LNG under spot contracts, and Russian gas is always hyper-competitive compared to them. But who knows how the situation will turn out in the future. Perhaps, in order to ease tensions in relations with the United States, it will be useful to conclude a long-term contract for gas supplies. Or, for example, Chinese state-owned oil and gas companies will launch a large project in Africa. Gas from there will certainly be more expensive than Russian gas, but this will be its own project and it will need to be given a guaranteed sales market.

Such doubts are not uncommon when signing long-term contracts, but almost always the hesitant buyer or seller knows: the counterparty has alternatives, so the deal must be made, otherwise a third party will appear. In this case, Russia has no alternatives, so China risks not the complete loss of a convenient supplier, but only that deliveries will begin later.

That is why the negotiations are so tense and long. Firstly, China is trying to remove as much uncertainty for itself as possible in terms of the necessary volumes and deadlines. Secondly, it is testing how much it can twist Russia's arm in terms of price and other conditions. For Beijing, both of these exercises are practically free: the Chinese negotiators do not see any risks that the deal will fall through and they will have to agree to significantly worse alternatives.

On the other hand, it may have been important for China earlier not to irritate the United States by openly demonstrating too close relations with Russia and not to take actions that would look like support for Russian aggression in Ukraine. Now, however, such considerations are no longer of decisive importance against the backdrop of a larger-scale conflict between Beijing and Washington. Moreover, sometimes demonstrative gestures prove useful.

All this allows the Russian side to continue to loudly declare that another important stage in the project's implementation has been reached. But, as Zenon taught, you can be as close to the finish line as you like, but still be an infinite number of steps away.

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Suorastaan nerokasta :rolleyes:

Se on nerokasta ja tehokasta! Todellisen finanssimaailman realiteetit eivät kosketa Putinistania, tsaarin mahtikäskyllä inflaatio pysyy juuri tarkalleen käsketyssä 1,9%:ssa ja pelkällä mahtikäskyllä kannattamattomat tehtaat eivät mene konkurssiin. Putin saanee taloustieteiden nobelin näin yksinkertaisesta ratkaisusta reaalimaailman ongelmiin! (Katsotaan tilannetta puolen vuoden kuluttua, silloin tarvittaneen taas muutamia tsaarin mahtikäskyjä!)
 
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Mitähän tämä on??
Onko tuo ryssien feikkiä & propagandaa vai jenkkien oikea porukka ryssälässä???

Jos ihan jenkkejä, niin ainakin rahanahneita paskiaisia näyttäisivät olevan!


"Yhdysvaltojen on poistettava Venäjän vastaiset pakotteet, sanoo Amerikan kauppakamari

▪️ Pakotteet vahingoittavat pääasiassa ulkomaisia yrityksiä, jotka jatkavat toimintaansa Venäjällä, kun taas Venäjän talous on sopeutunut rajoituksiin ja tuntuu varsin luottavaiselta, kertoo Amerikan kauppakamari Venäjällä.

▪️ 100 miljardia dollaria – amerikkalaisten yritysten suorat tappiot pakotetusta Venäjän-pakoituksesta. Jos otetaan huomioon epäsuorat tappiot – markkinaosuuden menetys, menetetyt voitot jne. – luku on noin 300 miljardia dollaria.

▪️ Yhdysvaltalaiset yrittäjät pyytävät Yhdysvaltain hallintoa poistamaan Venäjän vastaiset pakotteet, alkaen niistä, jotka ovat heille tuskallisimpia. Korkean teknologian ja energialaitteiden valmistuksen alalla toimivat yritykset ovat erittäin kiinnostuneita jatkamaan toimintaansa Venäjällä. Lisäksi harkitaan yhteistyötä harvinaisten maametallien louhinnan ja jalostuksen alalla.

▪️ ”Tärkeimmät prioriteettimme ovat uusien investointien kiellon poistaminen Venäjällä ja tiettyjen pankkien pakotteiden poistaminen maksujen helpottamiseksi”, sanoi Robert Aji, Amerikan kauppakamarin johtaja Venäjällä."


 
Mitähän tämä on??
Onko tuo ryssien feikkiä & propagandaa vai jenkkien oikea porukka ryssälässä???

Jos ihan jenkkejä, niin ainakin rahanahneita paskiaisia näyttäisivät olevan!


"Yhdysvaltojen on poistettava Venäjän vastaiset pakotteet, sanoo Amerikan kauppakamari

▪️ Pakotteet vahingoittavat pääasiassa ulkomaisia yrityksiä, jotka jatkavat toimintaansa Venäjällä, kun taas Venäjän talous on sopeutunut rajoituksiin ja tuntuu varsin luottavaiselta, kertoo Amerikan kauppakamari Venäjällä.

▪️ 100 miljardia dollaria – amerikkalaisten yritysten suorat tappiot pakotetusta Venäjän-pakoituksesta. Jos otetaan huomioon epäsuorat tappiot – markkinaosuuden menetys, menetetyt voitot jne. – luku on noin 300 miljardia dollaria.

▪️ Yhdysvaltalaiset yrittäjät pyytävät Yhdysvaltain hallintoa poistamaan Venäjän vastaiset pakotteet, alkaen niistä, jotka ovat heille tuskallisimpia. Korkean teknologian ja energialaitteiden valmistuksen alalla toimivat yritykset ovat erittäin kiinnostuneita jatkamaan toimintaansa Venäjällä. Lisäksi harkitaan yhteistyötä harvinaisten maametallien louhinnan ja jalostuksen alalla.

▪️ ”Tärkeimmät prioriteettimme ovat uusien investointien kiellon poistaminen Venäjällä ja tiettyjen pankkien pakotteiden poistaminen maksujen helpottamiseksi”, sanoi Robert Aji, Amerikan kauppakamarin johtaja Venäjällä."


Joopajoo taas :rolleyes:

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