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meille pitäisi tulla se n.100kpl.
Tasan 100 taisi olla.
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meille pitäisi tulla se n.100kpl.
No nyt se sitten selvisi minne ne loput Hollannin Leopardit meni:
Viro osti 100 miljoonalla panssarivaunuja - mm. 6 Leopardia
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1418106317438.html
Suomen kaupan julkaisun yhteydessä kun laskeskelin että Hollannilla pitäisi muistaakseni olla jäljellä aijempien kauppojen (Portugali, Kanada) jälkeen luokkaa n.110kpl Leo A6:sia ja meille pitäisi tulla se n.100kpl.
Asiaa on uutisoitu erilaisilla sanamuodoilla, en yllättyisi jos muutama lisävaunu tulisi ns. varaosiksi vaikka 100kpl:sta on koko ajan periaatteessa puhuttukkin.Tasan 100 taisi olla.
No niinpä näkyykin olevan:Virrheellistä uutisointia, ne leopardit on pelkkiä evakointivaunuja
Virrheellistä uutisointia, ne leopardit on pelkkiä evakointivaunuja
Jaha, taisi olla taas iltapäivälehdillä liian kiire julkaista juttu että olisi kerinnyt faktat tsekata....
Olisi pitänyt arvata - 6 tstpsv on niin pieni määrä että siitä ei oikein ole kuin maaliosastoksi koulutukseen, mutta 6 evakuointi- ym. vaunua ryntövaunupataljoonan käyttöön on hyvinkin järkevää.
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2014/12/10_a_6336601.shtmlThe Ministry of Defence is brewing a serious scandal. Newest tank "Armata", which has not even presented to the public, drew criticism of the military. The reasons for this are two - inflated price Uralvagonzavod and inconsistency approved specifications. The final decision on the purchase of machines will be made in January 2015, after the official presentation. Experts believe that the tank you need to buy, and finish - are already in operation.
As told "Gazeta.ru" a senior source in the Ministry of Defense, the military is not satisfied with the price of production samples and characteristics of the prototype.
"We have two complaints: one economic plan, and the other - the process. Inflated prices are not at times, but significant. At the same time distinct bases such overstatement we ever did so "- told the" Gazety.Ru ".
According to him, the technical problems associated with the mismatch prototype requirements established by the Ministry of Defence for this tank.
"Characteristics of the tank are classified, so no information about this can not be disclosed. I can only say that one of the main claim relates to the fire control system. Did not, as agreed, and we asked, "- said the representative of the Ministry of Defense.
According to him, if Uralvagonzavod in the shortest time will not change the price and do not present a plan to eliminate the deficiencies, the Ministry of Defense does not renew the contract for the supply of "Almaty was" in troops and abandon production procurement.
"Given the fact that there is a global cost reduction, we are ready to give up the unfinished tank. We better take the latest version of the T-90, and the "Armata" let the finish, "- said the representative of the military.
The representative confirmed Uralvagonzavod "Gazeta.ru" that besides 12 experienced "Armat" purchased in the last year, the Ministry of Defense of other contracts to these tanks were concluded.
"Almaty was" not even in the state armaments program for 2016-2025 years, which is now being formed. This means that we can not develop the production, because there is no indication that the military would buy this tank, "- said the representative of Uralvagonzavod.
He added that the development of "Almaty was" the creation and production line has been allocated 54 billion rubles., Of which $ 15 billion has already been spent, and if there is no order, the money will be gone.
"These are special machines that are sharpened by the production of" Almaty was "these are people who are trained to produce" Armata ". Without ordering all this will not work, and hence the production line will not be claimed. This will be a great loss, because we are talking about the loss of manufacturing technology, "- said the representative of Uralvagonzavod.
According to him, for the sustainable development of the enterprise Minooborony must purchase in 2016 of at least 40 tanks "Armata", in 2017 - 70, starting with the 2018 th - 120 annually. "Then we will reach profitability and return on investment and be able to develop steadily," - said the representative of Uralvagonzavod.
He also stressed that the Uralvagonzavod - a state-owned corporation, so the money that the Defense Ministry will spend on tanks will remain in the state. At the same time, the company will be able to develop - to update equipment and pay decent wages to employees.
In the Military-Industrial Commission under the Russian government, which is headed by Vladimir Putin, "Gazeta.ru" said that the fate of "Almaty was" decided in January 2015.
"As of January scheduled official presentation of the tank with the participation of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and the President and Supreme Commander Vladimir Putin. On whether the presentation will take place and how it will be held, on the fate of the tank. If the Ministry of Defense and UVZ unable at this time to agree on a price and performance, the purchase of production vehicles, likely to suffer in the next few years ", - said the representative of the MIC.
He also noted that from the presentation will depend on whether there will be "Armata" on May 9 Victory Day parade on Red Square, and if there was, in what configuration - in the form of a tank, heavy BMP or ARV (military repair and recovery vehicle). Total developed six configurations combat vehicles on the basis of "Almaty was" three of which are embodied in the metal. Preparing for the parade two of them.
Military expert, member of the Public Council MIC Murakhovski Victor believes that a compromise will be found.
"There has never been such a product for which military and industry do not lead to disputes about the price. The problem is that the clear method of pricing for military production is still there, and say exactly how much a tank or submarine, is impossible, everything is decided each time individually. I think that the parties agree and the price, and to address the technological challenges. Typically, these things are removed after the start of series production through modernization. This is the normal way, "- said Murakhovski.
He added that a number of requirements to the Ministry of Defense "Armata" is "a fantastic character," and at this stage can not be made partly because it often depends not only on Uralvagonzavod, but also from parts suppliers.
Venäläisten sotilaiden mielestä "Armata" on liian kallis ja siinä on liikaa vikoja.
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2014/12/10_a_6336601.shtml
Alan epäilemään pikku hiljaa, että tämä vaunu ei tule ikinä päätymään suurissa määrin käyttöön. Hyvä niin.
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Nyt tulee kyl nörteistä ja cybersotaajista loistavia vaunumiehiä. Itselle kävi vähän toisinpäin: ensin vaunu ja sit nörtti !!!...
Eikö se aikoinaan ollut niin että T80U päätyi moskavan puolustukseen ennenkuin T90 (T72BU) tuli tehtaalta ulos, joten samaa kaavaa käyttämällä Armata pääsee ainostaan paraatijoukoille ennenkuin siitä valmistetaan sopiva versio kenttäoloihin.
Melkoista poukkoilua kyllä tuo Hollannin touhu, Janesin juttu lokakuulta:
(Eli jääkö ihmettelemäni kourallinen A6:sia sittenkin omaan käyttöön vai ostekaanko uusia kun omat on ensin myyty pois...)
Vaivaako Venäjää sama "tauti" kuin Natsi-Saksaa aseprojekteissa? Kaiken maailman pömpöösiä projektia laitetaan tulille suurvallan elkein, mutta lopputuloksena saadaan kourallinen sitä ja hyppysellinen tuota. Varsinaiset taistelujoukot sitten pyörivät pääosin päivittämättömällä neuvostomateriaalilla aivan terävintä kärkeä lukuunottamatta.
Mistä lähtien T-72B3 on varustettu vakiona minkäänlaisella aktiivisuojalla? Kuvien perusteella sellaiset vehkeet eivät ole vakiovarusteena itänaapurin vaunuissa.
http://immortaltoday.com/t-72b3-revamped-russian-killing-machine/The most obvious improvement of this tank is easily seen at the first glance. Namely, the new Relikt ERA is fitted instead the ERA 5 and it increased its toughness to the level where it is impervious to modern SABOT rounds from 120 mm guns of the NATO tanks. Also, it got the new fire control system that greatly increases the accuracy as well as the new thermal imaging system. It made it capable to tackle the opponents in any weather condition day or night. Finally, the exhibited units were equipped with Arena-E APS and that increases its survivability on the battlefield to the level where it can stand up to any western counterpart.
Yhtään oliivinvihreää, käytössä olevaa, T72B3:a en ole nähnyt aktiivisella omasuojajärjestelmällä varustettuna.