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Soldierblue
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En tiedä jos on ollut täällä jo, T-55 moddaminen
Finnish T-55's came from USSR in 1965 (regular T-55 MBT's ~40 pcs) & 1967 (T-55K command variants ~10 pcs), 12 more came in 1972 (regular MBT's). All were in service to late 1980's when modernization project started. After modernization T-55 MBT variants were named as T-55M* and command variants T-55MK.
Modernization of T-55 to T-55M standard included:
- Thermal sleeve around gun barrel
- New MECAR 100mm APFSDS-T ammo
- New FCS from Bofors (FCS-FV/K) with passive day/night (II-) sight for Gunner with LRF
- New loaders hatch with AAMG (12.7mm NSVT with new Norwegian sights)
- 1 million cd's IR-light
- 8x 76 mm Wegmann smoke grenade discharcers
- 1x 71 mm Bofors Lyran illumination grenade mortar
- New storage and equipment boxes (also acting as "standoff armor")
- New RMSh tracks (similar as T-72M1's)
- Hull's new side skirts (also acting as "standoff armor")
- Abilty to deep-wading taken off (air intake tubes taken off)
T-55MK had similar modilfications plus extra radio and antenna. Beacause of EAPU those did not have front classis mounted PKT's.
All exept few special training and few museum T-55M/T-55MK's will be destroyed until end of year 2007.
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Finnish T-55's came from USSR in 1965 (regular T-55 MBT's ~40 pcs) & 1967 (T-55K command variants ~10 pcs), 12 more came in 1972 (regular MBT's). All were in service to late 1980's when modernization project started. After modernization T-55 MBT variants were named as T-55M* and command variants T-55MK.
Modernization of T-55 to T-55M standard included:
- Thermal sleeve around gun barrel
- New MECAR 100mm APFSDS-T ammo
- New FCS from Bofors (FCS-FV/K) with passive day/night (II-) sight for Gunner with LRF
- New loaders hatch with AAMG (12.7mm NSVT with new Norwegian sights)
- 1 million cd's IR-light
- 8x 76 mm Wegmann smoke grenade discharcers
- 1x 71 mm Bofors Lyran illumination grenade mortar
- New storage and equipment boxes (also acting as "standoff armor")
- New RMSh tracks (similar as T-72M1's)
- Hull's new side skirts (also acting as "standoff armor")
- Abilty to deep-wading taken off (air intake tubes taken off)
T-55MK had similar modilfications plus extra radio and antenna. Beacause of EAPU those did not have front classis mounted PKT's.
All exept few special training and few museum T-55M/T-55MK's will be destroyed until end of year 2007.
Russian tanks and fighting vehicles in the Finnish Defence Forces
Welcome to the forums. You look like youll fit in pretty well here.
Kustaanmiekka
Kenraali
Tiivistetty tietopaketti kenraalimajuri Ruben laguksesta:
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Kenraalimajuri Ruben Lagus kehitti joukoistaan suomalaisen panssariaseen, Marskin nyrkin, jonka arvo jatkosodassa oli kiistaton.
Lagus oli joukoiltaan ehdotonta kuria vaatinut mallikelpoinen sotilas, joka palkittiin raivoisasta etenemisestään ensimmäisellä Mannerheim-ristillä.
Sotilas henkeen ja vereen - Ruotuväki
Sotilas henkeen ja vereen
Kenraalimajuri Ruben Lagus kehitti joukoistaan suomalaisen panssariaseen, Marskin nyrkin, jonka arvo jatkosodassa oli kiistaton.
Lagus oli joukoiltaan ehdotonta kuria vaatinut mallikelpoinen sotilas, joka palkittiin raivoisasta etenemisestään ensimmäisellä Mannerheim-ristillä.
kimmo.j
Respected Leader
Näissä teksteissä usein mainitaan tuo IP-valonheitin, mutta meillä se oli tavallinen valkoisen valonheitin.En tiedä jos on ollut täällä jo, T-55 moddaminen
Finnish T-55's came from USSR in 1965 (regular T-55 MBT's ~40 pcs) & 1967 (T-55K command variants ~10 pcs), 12 more came in 1972 (regular MBT's). All were in service to late 1980's when modernization project started. After modernization T-55 MBT variants were named as T-55M* and command variants T-55MK.
Modernization of T-55 to T-55M standard included:
- Thermal sleeve around gun barrel
- New MECAR 100mm APFSDS-T ammo
- New FCS from Bofors (FCS-FV/K) with passive day/night (II-) sight for Gunner with LRF
- New loaders hatch with AAMG (12.7mm NSVT with new Norwegian sights)
- 1 million cd's IR-light
- 8x 76 mm Wegmann smoke grenade discharcers
- 1x 71 mm Bofors Lyran illumination grenade mortar
- New storage and equipment boxes (also acting as "standoff armor")
- New RMSh tracks (similar as T-72M1's)
- Hull's new side skirts (also acting as "standoff armor")
- Abilty to deep-wading taken off (air intake tubes taken off)
T-55MK had similar modilfications plus extra radio and antenna. Beacause of EAPU those did not have front classis mounted PKT's.
All exept few special training and few museum T-55M/T-55MK's will be destroyed until end of year 2007.
Russian tanks and fighting vehicles in the Finnish Defence Forces
Welcome to the forums. You look like youll fit in pretty well here.
J0h1F
Ylipäällikkö
Niinhän ne entisaikaan olivat, infrapunasuotimilla varustettuina ne toimivat sitten vain IR-alueella.
kimmo.j
Respected Leader
Ei vain ollut IP-suodattimia.
Koko valonheitintä taidettiin kokeilla kerran.
tulikomento
Supreme Leader
Panssari Salama
Respected Leader
Tämä ei ollut vielä täällä. Hyvää pohdintaa panssarivaunujen tulevaisuudesta, "tiedot kuolemastani ennenaikaisia":
Tank detractors also point to the Dutch decision to disband their entire tank force in 2011, the US Marine Corps' current disbanding of its tank units, and reports that the British may soon get rid of their tanks as proof that the tank's days are over.
No puukenkämaan hätiköity lopettamispäätös oli meidän tuuria!
Ostaakohan joku nuo brittien loppuun ajetut Challenger 2:t?
Panssari Salama
Respected Leader
Hitsi kun joku aika sitten luin mainion artikkelin / twitter-ketjun, jossa avattiin koko Brittien maavoimien surkeus. Asiat päästettiin surkeaan jamaan, ja nyt kaiken uusiminen alkaa olla taloudellisesti mahdotonta jopa heille. Vähän kun meidän pitäisi alkaa rakentamaan mekaanisia yhtymiä nyt, jos ei tyhjästä, niin ihan loppuunajetusta A4-lautasta. Ja samalla miehistönkuljetus ja IFV-lautatkin olisivat kuralla.
Tank detractors also point to the Dutch decision to disband their entire tank force in 2011, the US Marine Corps' current disbanding of its tank units, and reports that the British may soon get rid of their tanks as proof that the tank's days are over.
No puukenkämaan hätiköity lopettamispäätös oli meidän tuuria!
Ostaakohan joku nuo brittien loppuun ajetut Challenger 2:t?
Löytyisiköhän se vielä jostain...
Panssari Salama
Respected Leader
No ei äkkiseltään enää osu silmään, mutta tämä tuore Forbes artikkeli oli ihan mielenkiintoinen: tyhjästä on paha nyhjästä, Chally2 ei käynyt kaupaksi minnekään, Brittien puolustusvoimat oli ostaneet kaikki huolto- ja varaosat ennakkoon, joten linja tapettiin tarpeettomana.
British Army, German Tanks. London Might Not Like It, But It Needs To Buy Leopard 2s
The British Army needs new main battle tanks—bad. Realistically, it has two options. Rebuild some of the roughly 220 aging, obsolete Challenger 2s. Or buy German.
www.forbes.com
Nov 11, 2020,08:00am EST
David AxeContributor
Aerospace & Defense
A British Army Challenger 2 during training in 2019.
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The British Army needs new main battle tanks—bad. Realistically, it has two options. Rebuild some of the roughly 220 aging, obsolete Challenger 2s. Or buy German.
The better choice is clear, according to one analysis. German tanks would enter service faster and, in the long run, be cheaper than the British tanks would be, analysts Jack Watling and Nick Reynolds wrote in a new study for the Royal United Services Institute in London.
In the early 2000s the army bought 424 Challenger 2 tanks from manufacturer Vickers Defense Systems. At the same time, the service bought all the spares it needed. That and the lack of major export customers—Oman bought 38 of the tanks—meant Vickers had no reason to maintain the production line.
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The cold production line effectively orphaned the Challenger 2 fleet. There was no efficient way for the army to upgrade the 72-ton, four-person tank. As the Challenger 2s became more out-of-date, the army steadily cut back on force levels until just half the vehicles were left.
Today the Challenger 2 with its rifled 120-millimeter gun and old electronics is an outlier in NATO. America’s M-1A2s and the Leopard 2 variants that Germany has sold to no fewer than 15 NATO and allied armies have the latest computers and networking gear plus smooth-bore guns with modern ammunition.
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The United States as a matter of policy doesn’t export the latest version of the M-1. That leaves the Leopard 2 as the only realistic alternative to the Challenger 3, a totally rebuilt Challenger 2 that the British Army has been considering for a few years now.
A Dutch army Leopard 2 in 2008.
WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
The Leopard 2 is the right tank, according to Watling and Reynolds. “If the U.K. wants a competitive armor capability between now and 2040, the Leopard 2 is unequivocally the more assured, and in the long run likely the cheaper option.”
“Procuring Leopard 2s would come at a much higher initial cost than pursuing a CR3,” Watling and Reynolds wrote. “However, the plentiful supply of spare parts and the increased reliability of a highly refined design mean that the Leopard 2 is projected to be cheaper than a CR3 through the life of the vehicle.”
“The vehicles could also be brought into service very quickly, since the production line is open and there are a number of Leopard 2s available for purchase, making an in-service date of 2025 more realistic,” Watling and Reynolds added.
The Leopard 2 is less risky for the United Kingdom because its existing market for spares, upgrades and other support is huge. The British Leopards would be just a small portion of a global fleet of thousands of vehicles. London would need to order just 150 Leopard 2s to make local production commercially viable.
By Watling and Reynolds’ estimation, the U.K. government would need to order 300 Challenger 3s—possibly for around $2.7 billion—in order for the manufacturer to make a profit. That’s scores more tanks than the British Army plans to maintain in even the best-case scenario.
Switching to the Leopard 2 could come at a cost, of course. “What the U.K. would lose with Leopard 2 is the generation of manufacturing expertise and intellectual property. This should not be blown out of proportion. In the first instance, KMW—Leopard 2’s manufacturer—has said it will establish a factory in the U.K. and integrate U.K. components through a British company, which will be able to develop further technical innovations as other international users have.”
Industrial woes shouldn’t deter London from buying the only tank that can keep the British Army in the heavy-armor business. Challenger 3 would be “a costly disaster, leaving the British Army with a small number of uncompetitive vehicles, delivered late, at inflated prices.”
British Army, German Tanks. London Might Not Like It, But It Needs To Buy Leopard 2s
David AxeContributor
Aerospace & Defense
A British Army Challenger 2 during training in 2019.
CROWN COPYRIGHT
The British Army needs new main battle tanks—bad. Realistically, it has two options. Rebuild some of the roughly 220 aging, obsolete Challenger 2s. Or buy German.
The better choice is clear, according to one analysis. German tanks would enter service faster and, in the long run, be cheaper than the British tanks would be, analysts Jack Watling and Nick Reynolds wrote in a new study for the Royal United Services Institute in London.
In the early 2000s the army bought 424 Challenger 2 tanks from manufacturer Vickers Defense Systems. At the same time, the service bought all the spares it needed. That and the lack of major export customers—Oman bought 38 of the tanks—meant Vickers had no reason to maintain the production line.
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The cold production line effectively orphaned the Challenger 2 fleet. There was no efficient way for the army to upgrade the 72-ton, four-person tank. As the Challenger 2s became more out-of-date, the army steadily cut back on force levels until just half the vehicles were left.
Today the Challenger 2 with its rifled 120-millimeter gun and old electronics is an outlier in NATO. America’s M-1A2s and the Leopard 2 variants that Germany has sold to no fewer than 15 NATO and allied armies have the latest computers and networking gear plus smooth-bore guns with modern ammunition.
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The British Army Hasn’t Bought Tanks In A Very Long Time—Now It Might Be Too Late
“The CR2 has reached the end of the road,” Watling and Reynolds wrote. “If the U.K. is to retain an MBT capability, then it must modernize its fleet.”The United States as a matter of policy doesn’t export the latest version of the M-1. That leaves the Leopard 2 as the only realistic alternative to the Challenger 3, a totally rebuilt Challenger 2 that the British Army has been considering for a few years now.
A Dutch army Leopard 2 in 2008.
WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
The Leopard 2 is the right tank, according to Watling and Reynolds. “If the U.K. wants a competitive armor capability between now and 2040, the Leopard 2 is unequivocally the more assured, and in the long run likely the cheaper option.”
“Procuring Leopard 2s would come at a much higher initial cost than pursuing a CR3,” Watling and Reynolds wrote. “However, the plentiful supply of spare parts and the increased reliability of a highly refined design mean that the Leopard 2 is projected to be cheaper than a CR3 through the life of the vehicle.”
“The vehicles could also be brought into service very quickly, since the production line is open and there are a number of Leopard 2s available for purchase, making an in-service date of 2025 more realistic,” Watling and Reynolds added.
The Leopard 2 is less risky for the United Kingdom because its existing market for spares, upgrades and other support is huge. The British Leopards would be just a small portion of a global fleet of thousands of vehicles. London would need to order just 150 Leopard 2s to make local production commercially viable.
By Watling and Reynolds’ estimation, the U.K. government would need to order 300 Challenger 3s—possibly for around $2.7 billion—in order for the manufacturer to make a profit. That’s scores more tanks than the British Army plans to maintain in even the best-case scenario.
Switching to the Leopard 2 could come at a cost, of course. “What the U.K. would lose with Leopard 2 is the generation of manufacturing expertise and intellectual property. This should not be blown out of proportion. In the first instance, KMW—Leopard 2’s manufacturer—has said it will establish a factory in the U.K. and integrate U.K. components through a British company, which will be able to develop further technical innovations as other international users have.”
Industrial woes shouldn’t deter London from buying the only tank that can keep the British Army in the heavy-armor business. Challenger 3 would be “a costly disaster, leaving the British Army with a small number of uncompetitive vehicles, delivered late, at inflated prices.”
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Panssari Salama
Respected Leader
Katos vaan, artikkeli jota etsin oli sekin Forbesin, ja se oli linkattu tohon uudempaan artikkeliin.
En jaksa kopioida spoilereiden sisälle, kun formaattikin menee ihan kuralle. Täällä alkuperäinen:
www.forbes.com
En jaksa kopioida spoilereiden sisälle, kun formaattikin menee ihan kuralle. Täällä alkuperäinen:
The British Army Hasn’t Bought Tanks In A Very Long Time—Now It Might Be Too Late
The British Army hasn’t bought significant numbers of armored vehicles in a generation. Financial problems, neglect at the political level and the exigencies of low-intensity foreign wars are to blame together deprived the army of the resources it needed to upgrade or replace existing equipment.
www.forbes.com
On heillä hieman yritystä...
In November 2019, ARTEC, a joint venture between two German companies – Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Rheinmetall – signed the £2.3bn contract to deliver 500+ Boxer vehicles to the British Army.
General Dynamics Land Systems–UK is delivering 589 AJAX vehicles across six variants to the British Army. The first platforms were delivered in February 2019, with deliveries continuing until 2025.
Erkki
Ylipäällikkö
Modernisoinnin yhteydessä IP-valonheitin korvattiin tavallisella valonheittimellä. Näin kerrotaan tuon aikaisessa Suomen Sotilaan T-55M:n muutoksia koskevassa artikkelissa.
Huhta
Greatest Leader
Lue nyt vaikka nuo ja ihastu.
Is British Army Acquisition on the right track?
By Nicholas Drummond British Army modernisation has become an urgent priority, not only because existing systems have long since reached the end of their intended lifecycles, but also because the A…
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British Army Invests in New Fleet of Armoured Vehicles - European Security & Defence
Over the last 25 years, the United Kingdom has made numerous efforts to upgrade its ageing fleet of mainly tracked Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs). There have been numerous false starts including the Future Family of Light Armoured Vehicles, the joint UK/US TRACER (Tactical Reconnaissance...
euro-sd.com
Panssari Salama
Respected Leader
No onhan tuo melkoinen avobordelli jonka ovat saaneet aikaan. Erityisesti ekan linkin kirjoittajan asenne on hauska: ”Toisin kun luullaan, Brittiarmeija on onnistunut ostoissaan pääasiassa oikeinkin hyvin. Tosin 1990 jälkeen suunnilleen kaikki on mennyt päin helvettiä.” Yhteenveto: hyvältä näyttää.Lue nyt vaikka nuo ja ihastu.
Is British Army Acquisition on the right track?
By Nicholas Drummond British Army modernisation has become an urgent priority, not only because existing systems have long since reached the end of their intended lifecycles, but also because the A…British Army Invests in New Fleet of Armoured Vehicles - European Security & Defence
Over the last 25 years, the United Kingdom has made numerous efforts to upgrade its ageing fleet of mainly tracked Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs). There have been numerous false starts including the Future Family of Light Armoured Vehicles, the joint UK/US TRACER (Tactical Reconnaissance...
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Renk näkyy myös täällä eikä vain merivoimien (ml. Pohjanmaa) vaihteistoissa.
Eteläkorealaiset ovat epäonnistuneet 15 vuodessa korvaamaan sitä K2:ssa ja edessä on paluu siihen muuten paikallisessa moottorissa.
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Eteläkorealaiset ovat epäonnistuneet 15 vuodessa korvaamaan sitä K2:ssa ja edessä on paluu siihen muuten paikallisessa moottorissa.
South Korea’s K2 tank export plans suffer under transmission failure
South Korea’s arms acquisition agency has decided to equip third batch of K2 Black Panther main battle tanks with a German transmission system rather than a locally built version under development.
www.defensenews.com