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Falangi kirjoitti:
Järjen hivenet sekä Trumpin politiikka eivät taidakkaan kulkea käsi kädessä. Presidentti syyttää maata terrorismin tukemisesta samalla kun puolustusministeri viimeistelee hävittäjäkaupat maahan. :rolleyes:

Donald Trump sells Qatar $12bn of weapons days after accusing it of funding terrorism
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...i-arabiaqatar-signs-loa-for-the-a7790956.html
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Eiköhän nuo kaupat oltu neuvoteltu allekirjoitusta vaille valmiiksi jo aikaa sitten, kuten Trumpin vierailunsa jälkeen kehumat kaupat KSA:hankin.
 
Kai siinä ajatellaan että vuosien projektia ei aleta pikku diplomaattisen hässäkän vuoksi perumaan. Ehkä Qatar tulee järkiinsä lähitulevaisuudessa. Kieltämättä ajoitus on äärettömän hupaisa.
 
Tulee tämä kohtaus mieleen tästä kaupasta. Varsinkin kun setä samuli tulee pelastamaan Yurin lopussa. Ameriikan presidentti on maailman kovin asekauppias. Ja he myyvät kaikille. Unipöpperössä aamulla tuo Quatarin asekauppa vain hyppäsi silmille. On ollut raskaat viime päivät, varsinkin asun sen palaneen tornitalon tuntumassa.

 
Falangi kirjoitti:
Järjen hivenet sekä Trumpin politiikka eivät taidakkaan kulkea käsi kädessä. Presidentti syyttää maata terrorismin tukemisesta samalla kun puolustusministeri viimeistelee hävittäjäkaupat maahan. :rolleyes:

Donald Trump sells Qatar $12bn of weapons days after accusing it of funding terrorism
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...i-arabiaqatar-signs-loa-for-the-a7790956.html
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Raha ei haise. Jotkut maat ymmärtävät sen paremmin kuin toiset *katsoo Suomea*.
 
Kaira kirjoitti:
Jenkithän myy Saudeillekkin. Liiketoimintaa parhaimmillaan.
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Juu, mutta Trump ei olekkaan henkilökohtaisesti syyttänyt saudeja terrorismin tukemisesta, toisin kuin Qataria.

fulcrum kirjoitti:
Kai siinä ajatellaan että vuosien projektia ei aleta pikku diplomaattisen hässäkän vuoksi perumaan. Ehkä Qatar tulee järkiinsä lähitulevaisuudessa. Kieltämättä ajoitus on äärettömän hupaisa.
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Niin että qatarilaiset vain ilmoittaisivat Trumpille että "Juu, ei me enää tuetakkaan terrorismia" ja asekaupat jatkuu, vai mitä tuohon Qatarin järkiinsä tulemiseen sisältyy?

Minkähän takia Qatar edes osti niitä jenkkihävittäjiä, vaikka 2015 olivat jo tilanneet 24 Rafalea Ranskasta?
 
arix kirjoitti:
Tuollapäin ei huolto ole kovin korkealle arvostettu joten nuo saattavat olla likimain käyttökelvottomia Jemenin operaatioiden takia.
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Tuskinpa ne Rafalet vielä ihan käyttökelvottomia on, kun niitä ei vielä ole edes toimitettu.

http://www.reuters.com/article/france-qatar-rafale-idUSL5N0XR2QJ20150430
PARIS, April 30 Qatar has agreed to buy 24 Dassault Aviation-built Rafale fighter jets in a 6.3-billion-euro ($7 billion) deal, the French government said on Thursday, as the Gulf Arab state looks to boost its military firepower in an increasingly unstable region.

Eleven planes will be delivered each year from mid-2018. Dassault Chief Executive Eric Trappier told BFM TV Qatar had an option to buy 12 more planes.
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Falangi kirjoitti:
Minkähän takia Qatar edes osti niitä jenkkihävittäjiä, vaikka 2015 olivat jo tilanneet 24 Rafalea Ranskasta?
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Ovat oppineet, ettei kannata olla liian sidoksissa mihinkään yhteen suuntaan.
 
Qatarin tilanne sen kuin kiristyy:
https://twitter.com/x/status/874834280618348545
https://twitter.com/x/status/875040455385284609
Vai onko kyse sittenkin vain saudien info-operaatiosta, jolla yritetään painostaa Qataria taipumaan arabiliittouman vaatimuksiin?

https://twitter.com/x/status/875461863198388225

Mutta ilmeisesti jotain kytköksiä on, tai sitten kyse on valtapelistä:
https://theqatarinsider.com/2017/06/15/extremists-express-support-for-qatar-on-social-media/
Extremists Express support for Qatar on Social Media
By Qatar Insider June 15, 2017
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Source: The National

Abu Dhabi // Extremist leaders have used social media to offer their support to Qatar over the severing of relations with other GCC countries, The National has learnt.

Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain last week took measures to isolate Qatar over its support for Islamist and terrorist groups.

On Friday, Riyadh and Abu Dhabi imposed sanctions on 59 individuals and a dozen organisations based in Qatar for financial ties to extremist groups, including Al Qaeda.

Since diplomatic, transport and trade ties to Qatar were cut last week, a number of figures linked to Al Qaeda and sanctioned by the UN and US as terror supporters have offered their support to Doha.

Hamad Al Ali, who is accused of facilitating terrorist attacks in Kuwait, Iraq and elsewhere, described the measures taken against Doha as an “atrocious and heinous siege of the people of Qatar”.

His long statement was published by Al Jazeera on Twitter and Facebook before later being deleted, according to details of the posts seen by The National.

Abdallah Muhammad Al Muhaysini, who is accused of being a leader and fund-raiser for Jabhat Al Nusra, Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, posted two statements of support for Qatar on Telegram.

Abdalrahman bin Omeir Al Nuaimi, a Qatari accused of financing terror groups including Al Qaeda branches in Iraq, Syria and Yemen, also posted messages on Twitter condemning the Saudi moves against Qatar.

Qatar has long been accused of financial links to extremist groups and allowing Islamists to base themselves in Doha and using Qatari media as a platform.

But the terrorism list published by the UAE and Saudi revealed the depth of Doha’s patronage to Islamist and extremist groups.
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Tässä myös Guardianin ihan mielenkiintoinen grafiikka ilmeisesti ISIS:iä koskevista arabiankielisistä some-viesteistä:
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Falangi kirjoitti:
Niin että qatarilaiset vain ilmoittaisivat Trumpille että "Juu, ei me enää tuetakkaan terrorismia" ja asekaupat jatkuu, vai mitä tuohon Qatarin järkiinsä tulemiseen sisältyy?
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Jotakuinkin näin. Voihan kaupan aina perua myöhemmin jos aihetta tulee. Vrt. Ranska, Venäjä ja Mistralit.
 
A diplomatic crisis pitting Saudi Arabia against Qatar has put Syrian rebels in a difficult position, analysts say, after rivalries between Gulf backers had already weakened the opposition.

Both Sunni-ruled monarchies sided with the protesters in March 2011, when the war started with the brutal repression of anti-government demonstrations.

They continued supporting the mostly Sunni rebels when unrest spiralled into conflict between the armed opposition and troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad, who hails from the country’s Alawite Shiite minority and is backed by Saudi Arabia’s arch-rival Iran.

But six years later, the rebellion has been plagued by rivalries between Riyadh and Doha, as well as weakened by Russia’s military intervention in support of Assad’s forces.

Moscow’s support for regime forces led to a series of setbacks for the rebels, including their landmark loss in December of second city Aleppo.
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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/906325/saudi-qatar-crisis-puts-syrian-rebels-in-tricky-position

Over the past ten day and with the help of this careful diplomacy and the directives of Emir H H Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Qatar has mobilised wide international support and understanding from various friendly and sisterly countries. This has contributed to prevent any action that would disturb the success of Qatar over many years as an active member of the international community and a reliable partner in resolving differences and in establishing the principles of international peace and security.

Since the beginning of the crisis, the contacts between the Emir and a number of world leaders formed reference upon which the Qatari diplomacy built its successful moves to reveal reality and put things in perspective. There is no doubt that when major countries listen to the Emir of Qatar, this gives a strong indication on Doha’s influence and its weight not only in the region but in the whole world.

During the first days of the siege, the Emir received calls from the leaders of France, Russia, the United States of America and Germany, all of whom expressed their willingness to do everything possible to contain the Gulf crisis in order to preserve the security and stability of the region. In other calls, the Emir received from leaders of Kuwait, Turkey and Indonesia, the leaders focus was on the possible means of mediation and expressed solidarity of the peoples of these Arab and Islamic countries with the people of Qatar and their initiative to provide all kinds of assistance and support to the government and the people of Qatar.

Germany reiterated its position vis-a-vis the Gulf crisis and the need to resolve it through dialogue during the phone call received by the Emir from the German Chancellor Angela Merkel, during which she stressed the need to resolve the Gulf crisis through dialogue and pointed to Berlin’s efforts to lift the embargo imposed by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on the State of Qatar and expressed concern about the possible repercussions of any escalation on the whole region.

Along with the phone calls, Doha was an important stop for leaders and senior officials of friendly and brotherly countries who are keen on finding a solution to the crisis and to break the siege imposed on the State of Qatar and the consequent effects. In this regard, the Emir of Kuwait H H Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al Jaber Al Sabah, paid a visit to Doha to confirm the importance of resolving the dispute within the Gulf country and this was also emphasized by HE minister responsible for foreign affairs in the Sultanate of Oman Yousef bin Alawi bin Abdullah during his visit to Qatar.

In order to affirm Turkey’s support for Qatar, HE Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, and HE Turkish Minister of Economy Nihat Zeybekci visited Qatar and underscored the deep Qatari-Turkish relations and Turkey’s active role in containing the crisis and its rejection of the embargo imposed on the State of Qatar.

The State of Qatar’s diplomacy in dealing with the current Gulf crisis parallels the efforts of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs with all the ministries, bodies and institutions concerned with the State, to achieve more than one objective at the same time, all of which are aimed at emphasizing the supremacy of national decision-making. On the daily life of the citizen and resident on the land of the State of Qatar.

Since the announcement of the blockade on the June 5, 2017, Qatari diplomacy has been active, at home and through its ambassadors accredited to the various capitals of the world, in communicating with senior officials in those countries to explain the reality of what the State of Qatar is facing.

Qatari diplomatic contacts began and continued during the past ten days through telephone calls between HE the Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani and his counterparts in friendly and sisterly countries. The Qatari view point was communicated to foreign ministers of a number of Arab, European, African, Asian, American and Latin countries as well as to the European Union.
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https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/a...cy-put-a-limit-to-efforts-of-blockade-cluster

The traditional bogey man of Arab politics, the ‘Zionist entity’’, the demonic force behind all the troubles of the Arab world is, in fact, in the right side of Arab politics in this important instance. It is Hamas , the sworn enemy of Israel and Egypt, which is THE enemy, alongside Iran, of course, and its satellite the Hizballah. No, the Saudis did not declare diplomatic war on Qatar, the sponsor of Hamas, in order to serve Israeli interest, but yes, what they do fits into a framework which is taking noticeable shape in the Middle East. This is the commonality of interests between Israel and many Sunni states about a variety of issues, and the growing realization by these states that this is indeed the case.

The Qatar crisis is an indication, in fact a dramatic one, of new alignments in the Middle East, and a process of this kind is prone for changes, as we deal with the fragile unstable Middle East, but those who ignore the developing trend are missing the point, and are still mired with their ‘’fake ‘’ news and commentaries.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...and-understanding_us_5943bf30e4b0d188d027fd61
 
As long as the United States wants to provide security for the Arab Gulf nations and fight terrorism, it cannot afford to pick sides in a destabilizing fraternal squabble. That would undermine the very purpose of U.S. involvement in the first place, and risk incurring disaster. Instead, Washington would do well to encourage its allies to resolve their differences while pushing all of them to do better on counterterrorism and curtailing government-sponsored hate speech. This approach has worked in the past: Although Saudi Arabia’s behavior is still troubling, it is light years better than it was in the pre-9/11 era. The same goes for Qatar. None of this means the United States should excuse their bad behavior. But America must also recognize the Gulf states are effective counterterrorism partners in a range of ways.

In the end, the Middle East is the wrong place to look if you’re seeking moral purity.
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http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/06/danger-picking-sides-qatar-crisis/138763/?oref=d-river

Since 9/11, counterterrorism has become the dominant reason for the United States to stay involved in the Gulf; Gulf allies are often vital partners for stopping jihadist attacks around the world. Saudi Arabia has been a crucial source of intelligence on al-Qaeda, ISIS, and their affiliates. It provided the critical tip-off to American and European intelligence officials that allowed British and Emirati security personnel to intercept the expertly concealed bombs constructed by al-Qaeda’s Yemen branch, which were already en route to the United States. The Saudis and the UAE have also joined in the bombing campaigns on ISIS positions in Syria. In 2015, Saudi Arabia led the creation of a Muslim coalition against what it called the “disease” of Islamic extremism.

And Qatar? Within its borders lies the massive al Udeid airbase, where 10,000 U.S. personnel are stationed. It is the largest, most important U.S. military facility in the Middle East, hosting the forward elements of USCENTCOM, and providing a base for much of America’s air operations in the region. Its runways are large enough to base the B-52s that bomb ISIS. The United States has even benefited from the ambiguous ties between Qatar’s Gulf partners and terrorist groups: When America sought the release of a hostage held by al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, it turned to Qatar to broker the deal.
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Väittävät, että Egyptin presidentti Al-Sisi haluaisi laajentaa Qatarille asetetut sanktiot koskemaan myös Turkkia. Erdoganilla ei olekaan laajasti tukea arabimaailmassa?

Qatar sanctions must include Turkey says Egypt’s President
Egyptian president Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi urged Gulf leaders to expand sanctions to include Turkey, the New Arab daily reported on Thursday.

Sources reported by Middle East Monitor claim that Sisi, in a meeting with the Bahraini King Hamad Bin Isa Al-Khalifa last Thursday in Cairo, accused Ankara of funding and hosting “terrorist groups” such as the Muslim Brotherhood.

There was no information on the Gulf leaders’ reactions following Sisi’s push to include Turkey.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday denounced the isolation of Qatar as “inhumane and against Islamic values”, and said the methods used against the Gulf state were unacceptable.
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Sinänsä mielenkiintoista, että Al-Sisi syytti jo 2014 Turkkia ja Qataria "kaaoksen aiheuttamisesta" arabimaissa. Pinnan alla on siten kuplinut jo jonkin aikaa.

EGYPT'S SISI SAYS QATAR AND TURKEY ARE SPENDING MILLIONS TO SPREAD CHAOS IN ARAB LANDS
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi accused Qatar and Turkey and the international organization of the Muslim Brotherhood of spending millions of dollars to spread chaos in the Arab world.

“Qatar, Turkey and the international organization of the Brotherhood are currently establishing many companies, newspapers and websites,” Sisi said on Sunday at a meeting with newspaper chief editors, the Egypt Independent reported.

“They allocated hundreds of millions of dollars to spread chaos among the Arab nation, destabilizing Egypt and destroying the Egyptians,” he said.

The Egyptian president also voiced his support for the establishment of a Palestinian state and said major efforts were being made to meet the humanitarian needs of the people in Gaza through the Rafah crossing. However, he added, Egyptian security is tied together with this.

Meanwhile, at the same meeting, Sisi denied reports that the country carried out military operations in Libya.

“Our forces are stationed inside our territories,” he said according to Egypt’s State Information Service.

On Syria, Sisi said Egypt does not favor any side in the conflict, but seeks a political solution that maintains the country’s unity as a state.
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Jatkoa samasta... Wall Street Journalin mukaan Erdogan on asettunut tiukasti Qatarin tueksi, koska pelkää olevansa seuraavana vuorossa sanktioiden kohteena...

Turkey Sees Itself as Target in Saudi-Led Move Against Qatar
If Riyadh and its allies intimidate the tiny emirate, Ankara fears it could face international pressure next

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s determination to stand by Qatar, a tiny Gulf emirate under a barrage of sanctions by Saudi-led Arab nations, has taken many in the Middle East by surprise.

But for Mr. Erdogan, this conflict is deeply personal. If Turkey allows Qatar’s autonomy to be crushed, officials in Ankara fear Mr. Erdogan’s administration could be next to face international pressure.

“Whatever Qatar is accused of, Turkey can also be accused of, and Erdogan is aware of that. There is a sense in the Turkish leadership that they are aiming at Qatar but really are trying to target us,” said Asli Aydintasbas, a Turkey specialist at the European Council on Foreign Relations. “Hence the reaction and the overreaction.”

Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Bahrain earlier this month cut diplomatic and trade ties with Qatar. They accused the emirate of sponsoring terrorism and demanded it end support for the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group these Arab nations have declared a terrorist organization.

Turkey, by contrast, sees the Brotherhood as a legitimate movement with broad popular appeal. Once imprisoned for his own Islamist politics, Mr. Erdogan has a longstanding affinity with the group and with other Islamist organizations that seemed ascendant throughout the region in the aftermath of the Arab Spring.
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Mortti kirjoitti:
Väittävät, että Egyptin presidentti Al-Sisi haluaisi laajentaa Qatarille asetetut sanktiot koskemaan myös Turkkia. Erdoganilla ei olekaan laajasti tukea arabimaailmassa?

Qatar sanctions must include Turkey says Egypt’s President



Sinänsä mielenkiintoista, että Al-Sisi syytti jo 2014 Turkkia ja Qataria "kaaoksen aiheuttamisesta" arabimaissa. Pinnan alla on siten kuplinut jo jonkin aikaa.

EGYPT'S SISI SAYS QATAR AND TURKEY ARE SPENDING MILLIONS TO SPREAD CHAOS IN ARAB LANDS
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Tämä samaan toistui jo vuonna 2014 mutta Qatar selviytyi voittajana silloin eikä mikään käytännössä muuttunut. Nyt on uusi yritys ja ilmeisesti Trumpin lausunnot ja vierailu jollain tapaa laukaisivat tämän prosessin.
Egyptin suurin uhka on muslimiveljeskunta ja Turkin Akp = muslimiveljeskunta.
 
King Salman of Saudi Arabia has ousted his nephew as crown prince and replaced him with his son, Mohammed bin Salman, confirming the 31-year-old as heir to the kingdom and consolidating its move to reassert its influence as a regional power.

The move was announced by royal decree just after midnight, stunning the Saudi establishment, which has seen Bin Salman’s profile soar over the past three years but regarded the role of the former crown prince, Mohammed bin Nayef, a veteran security tsar, as secure.

The upheaval follows a dizzying series of moves from the usually cautious kingdom, which in recent weeks has seen it recalibrate relations with Washington and open a diplomatic offensive against Qatar, led by Bin Salman’s office, while pressing ahead with a war in Yemen and an ambitious economic and cultural overhaul at home.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tion-by-naming-son-as-first-in-line-to-throne

The US state department has issued a stinging rebuke to Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies saying they had failed to come up with a justification for the embargo they imposed on Qatar earlier this month.

The public and blunt criticism of Riyadh and the United Arab Emirates marked a sharp about-turn from Donald Trump’s wholehearted backing for the embargo, and his accusations of terrorist funding against Qatar. It follows a increasing pattern in which the state and defence departments have pursued policies abroad that are far removed from Trump’s rhetoric.

“Now that it has been more than two weeks since the embargo started, we are mystified that the Gulf states have not released to the Qataris, nor to the public, the details about the claims they are making toward Qatar,” Heather Nauert, the state department spokeswoman said.

“The more that time goes by, the more doubt is raised about the actions taken by Saudi Arabia and the UAE,” she added.

“At this point, we are left with one simple question: were the actions really about their concerns regarding Qatar’s alleged support for terrorism? Or were they about the long-simmering grievances between and among the GCC [Gulf Cooperation Council] countries?”
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/20/us-saudi-arabia-qatar-embargo-trump

Days before the embargo was declared, the Qatari state news agency was hacked and a report planted that quoted the emir as casting doubt on how long Trump would last in office, advocating closer ties with Iran and supporting Hamas. The report on 23 May was one of the pretexts for the punitive measures imposed on Qatar. Egypt and Bahrain also cut ties with Gulf nation.

On Tuesday, Qatar’s attorney general claimed that the hack had come from the countries imposing the embargo.

“Qatar has evidence that certain iPhones originating from countries laying siege to Qatar were used in the hack,” Ali Bin Fetais al-Marri told reporters in Doha.

He did not name the countries, but an FBI investigation is reported to have pointed towards Russian hackers hired by Gulf clients.

The Gulf dispute is just one of several issues on which the state and defence departments appear to follow a different tack from the president. The divergence is particularly evident in matters connected to Russia. Tillerson and Mattis, supported by most congressional Republicans, have insisted sanctions on Russia for its military intervention in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea, remain in place until the Kremlin withdraws its forces. Trump has quietly sought to have the sanctions lifted.
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