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Four Arab states have sent Qatar a list of 13 demands it must meet if it wants them to lift their sanctions.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain are asking the Gulf state to shut down its broadcaster, Al Jazeera.

They are also asking Qatar to reduce ties with Iran and close a Turkish military base - all within 10 days.

Qatar, which sought to raise its profile in recent years, denies funding terrorism and fostering instability.

It has been subjected to more than two weeks of unprecedented diplomatic and economic sanctions, in the worst political crisis among Gulf countries in decades.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40378221

According to the Associated Press news agency, which obtained a copy of the list, Qatar must also:

  • Sever all ties with the Muslim Brotherhood, which is banned in other Arab states
  • Refuse to naturalise citizens from the four countries and expel those currently on its territory, in what the countries describe as an effort to keep Qatar from meddling in their internal affairs
  • Hand over all individuals who are wanted by the four countries for terrorism
  • Stop funding any extremist entities that are designated as terrorist groups by the US
  • Provide detailed information about opposition figures whom Qatar has funded, ostensibly in Saudi Arabia and the other nations
  • Align itself politically, economically and otherwise with the Gulf Co-operation Council
  • Stop funding other news outlets in addition to Al Jazeera, including Arabi21 and Middle East Eye
  • Pay an unspecified sum in compensation
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Huippu tuo blanko shekki. Perinteinen. Mitä vittua ne tekevät sellaisella summalla muuta kuin vaativat toisen menemään polvilleen.
 
Jossei vaatimuksiin myönnytä niin uskaltaakohan arabiliittouma ottaa seuraavan askeleen ja siirtyä sotilaallisiin toimiin o_O
 
Vaatimus Al-Jazeeran sulkemisesta lienee lähinnä brändikateutta. OIF:n aikaan Al-Jazeeraa kuulemma pidettiin arabimaissa laajalti "liian amerikkalaismyönteisenä"...
 
fulcrum kirjoitti:
Vaatimus Al-Jazeeran sulkemisesta lienee lähinnä brändikateutta. OIF:n aikaan Al-Jazeeraa kuulemma pidettiin arabimaissa laajalti "liian amerikkalaismyönteisenä"...
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Monien tahojen mielestä Al Jazeeraa on nykyisin pitkälti Qatarin ja muslimiveljeskunnan propagandatuutti. Asiasta esim. Wikipedian artikkelissa Al Jazeera controversies and criticism.
Al Jazeera's long-time Berlin correspondent Aktham Suliman left in late 2012 "It wasn't just because the broadcaster seemed less interested in reports from Europe. Rather, Suliman had the feeling that he was no longer being allowed to work as an independent journalist. "Before the beginning of the Arab Spring, we were a voice for change," he says, "a platform for critics and political activists throughout the region. Now, Al-Jazeera has become a propaganda broadcaster." "Al-Jazeera takes a clear position in every country from which it reports -- not based on journalistic priorities, but rather on the interests of the Foreign Ministry of Qatar," he says. "In order to maintain my integrity as a reporter, I had to quit.""[2] [30] He writes, "The news channel Al Jazeera was committed to the truth. Now it is bent. It's about politics, not journalism. For the reporter that means: time to go. [...] The decline 2004-2011 was insidious, subliminal and very slow, but with a disastrous end."[31]

Walid Phares indicated that the Qatar-owned Al Jazeera television network became the “primary ideological and communication network” for the Muslim Brotherhood during the Arab Spring in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and Syria in 2011.[32] He noted that after democratic forces had initiated the rebellions, Al Jazeera played a “tremendous role”[32] in supporting the Islamist elements of the revolution.

Al Jazeera has lost former staff members over a number of reasons. Reporters and anchors, particularly in cities like London, Paris, Moscow, Beirut and Cairo have left Al-Jazeera.[2][33][34] Among the largest walk-offs, was that of 22 members of Al Jazeera's Egyptian bureau. The group announced their resignation on July 8, 2013, citing biased coverage of the ongoing Egyptian power redistribution in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Saudien vaatimusten toteuttaminen tarkoittaisi de facto Qatarin suvereniteetin loppua.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-issues-qatar-with-13-demands-to-end-blockade

The 13 demands in full
  1. Curb diplomatic ties with Iran and close its diplomatic missions there. Expel members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and cut off any joint military cooperation with Iran. Only trade and commerce with Iran that complies with US and international sanctions will be permitted.
  2. Sever all ties to “terrorist organisations”, specifically the Muslim Brotherhood, Islamic State, al-Qaida and Lebanon’s Hezbollah. Formally declare those entities as terrorist groups.
  3. Shut down al-Jazeera and its affiliate stations.
  4. Shut down news outlets that Qatar funds, directly and indirectly, including Arabi21, Rassd, Al-Araby Al-Jadeed and Middle East Eye.
  5. Immediately terminate the Turkish military presence in Qatar and end any joint military cooperation with Turkey inside Qatar.
  6. Stop all means of funding for individuals, groups or organisations that have been designated as terrorists by Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Bahrain, the US and other countries.
  7. Hand over “terrorist figures” and wanted individuals from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain to their countries of origin. Freeze their assets, and provide any desired information about their residency, movements and finances.
  8. End interference in sovereign countries’ internal affairs. Stop granting citizenship to wanted nationals from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain. Revoke Qatari citizenship for existing nationals where such citizenship violates those countries’ laws.
  9. Stop all contacts with the political opposition in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Bahrain. Hand over all files detailing Qatar’s prior contacts with and support for those opposition groups.
  10. Pay reparations and compensation for loss of life and other, financial losses caused by Qatar’s policies in recent years. The sum will be determined in coordination with Qatar.
  11. Consent to monthly audits for the first year after agreeing to the demands, then once per quarter during the second year. For the following 10 years, Qatar would be monitored annually for compliance.
  12. Align itself with the other Gulf and Arab countries militarily, politically, socially and economically, as well as on economic matters, in line with an agreement reached with Saudi Arabia in 2014.
  13. Agree to all the demands within 10 days of it being submitted to Qatar, or the list becomes invalid.
 
scip10 kirjoitti:
Saudien vaatimusten toteuttaminen tarkoittaisi de facto Qatarin suvereniteetin loppua.
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Niimpä. Ja se voi tarkoittaa Qatarin luonnonvarojen siirtymistä muiden hallintaan. Iran ja Turkki taitavat edelleen sympata Qataria, mielenkiintoinen keitto.

Ei taida tuo maanääri olla ainakaan rauhoittumaan päin.
 
Alkavat olemaan pitkälle sellaiset ehdot että noihin hyvin tod.näk Qatar ei tule edes suostumaan, ei heillä perjaatteessa ole edes mahdollisuutta.
 
Vaikuttaa vähän sellaiselta "ei me viittitä suoraan sanoa, mut täs ois tämmönen ultimaattumi/sodanjulistus".
 
Kaikki järkevät länsimaalaiset toitottaa että sotaa ei syty. Itse pelkään tässä unohdettavan että kyseessä ei ole kylmää rationaalisuutta käyttävät poliitikot, vaan esim Saudien kunnia kyseessä. Siellä Sheikit menettävät kasvonsa jos Qatar ei tee mitään ja Saudiliittouma ei uskalla laittaa tekemään.

Valta siellä perustuu kuitenkin voimalle, pelolle ja kunnioitukselle.
 
Monesti politiikassa nähdään mm suomessa että sodat syttyy vain sen takia että 2 maan välille syntyy liikaa erimielisyyksiä mitkä voidaan sopia politiikalla.

Monesti vain unohdetaan se että sota on myös politiikkaa ja sota voi olla yksi työkalu tässä paketissa. Ongelma luodaan vasta sitten kun päätös sodasta on luotu jotta hyökkäkselle saadaan oikeutus kansalta.

Venäjällä ja lähi-idässä tämä ajattelumalli on vallinnut aina mitä länsimaisen poliitikon on vaikea ymmärtää. Kaikki eivät halua rauhaa ja rakkautta.

Putin voi esim nähdä että sota nostaa riittävästi hänen kannatustaan jolloin vallassapysyminen varmistuu tai voi siirtää vaaleja.

" Suomi tai Qatar ei välttämättä halua sotaa mutta sota voi haluta Qataria tai Suomea tulevaisuudessa"
 
The Republican chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee has said the US Congress will hold up approval of arms sales to the Gulf as a result of the Saudi-led blockade of Qatar.

Senator Bob Corker said the nations of Gulf Cooperation Council had failed to take advantage of a summit with President Trump in May to overcome their differences and had “instead chosen to devolve into conflict”.

Corker continued: “For these reasons, before we provide any further clearances during the informal review period on sales of lethal military equipment to the GCC states, we need a better understanding of the path to resolve the current dispute and reunify the GCC.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/congress-arms-sales-gulf-qatar

Tarkoittaako tämä kumpiakin osapuolia?
 
Speaking in London, Ghobash said expulsion of Qatar from the Gulf Cooperation Council – often raised as a possible sanction – was “not the only sanction available”.

He added: “Their position today anyway is inconsistent with being members of the GCC because it is a common security and defence organisation. There are certain economic sanctions that we can take which are being considered right now.

“One possibility would be to impose conditions on our own trading partners and say you want to work with us then you have got to make a commercial choice.

“If Qatar was not willing to accept the demands, it is a case of ‘Goodbye Qatar’ we do not need you in our tent anymore,” he said.

Ghobash insisted that the UAE was trying with its allies to open a new chapter in the Middle East. “Yes we are making demands of Qatar, but it is very important to realise that we are imposing the same standards on ourselves. So if we are to ask for the monitoring of Qatari financial transactions and its funding of terrorism then we would be open to the same idea. This is not bullying. This is demanding a higher standard throughout the whole region.

“We have nothing to hide ourselves so we are willing to meet the same standards we are asking Qatar. The west has traditionally complained of a lack of financial transparency in the region, and there must be a huge amount that the west can do to monitor what is happening.”

He also warned: “We can escalate with more information, because we are not going to escalate militarily. That is not the way we are looking at things.”

He said he understood there was a risk that Qatar was being forced into a closer relationship with Iran. “We are asking Qatar to make a choice and we realise they may choose to take the route to Iran, and we are willing to accept the consequences of that.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...dor-threatens-further-sanctions-against-qatar
 
Tex kirjoitti:
Qatar on saatava nurin ja luonnonvarat varastettua. Sitten Iraniin ja kaikki paskaks ja varat haltuun. Kuinka vammainen pitää olla, ettei nää, millaista paskassa rypemistä Saudit ja usa yhessä touhuaa?

https://judymorrisreport.blogspot.fi/2017/06/saudi-arabia-and-sunni-wahhabism-are.html?m=1
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Pari ystävällistä huomautusta.

1) postausten kieliasun ei tarvitse olla korkeakirjallisuutta, mutta ilmaukset kuten "paskassa rypeminen" ym eivät kuulu asiaan.

2) linkitetty blogi vaikuttaa vähemmän vakavasti otettavalta lähteeltä.
 
BlackFox kirjoitti:
Monesti politiikassa nähdään mm suomessa että sodat syttyy vain sen takia että 2 maan välille syntyy liikaa erimielisyyksiä mitkä voidaan sopia politiikalla.

Monesti vain unohdetaan se että sota on myös politiikkaa ja sota voi olla yksi työkalu tässä paketissa. Ongelma luodaan vasta sitten kun päätös sodasta on luotu jotta hyökkäkselle saadaan oikeutus kansalta.

Venäjällä ja lähi-idässä tämä ajattelumalli on vallinnut aina mitä länsimaisen poliitikon on vaikea ymmärtää. Kaikki eivät halua rauhaa ja rakkautta.

Putin voi esim nähdä että sota nostaa riittävästi hänen kannatustaan jolloin vallassapysyminen varmistuu tai voi siirtää vaaleja.

" Suomi tai Qatar ei välttämättä halua sotaa mutta sota voi haluta Qataria tai Suomea tulevaisuudessa"
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Kunnon sodat syntyvät myös sukupolvien yli kertyvällä vihalla ja katkeruudella. Jossain vaiheessa se purkautuu. Pitkän rauhan aikana isovaari saattoi tuhahtaa jollekin ulkopoliittiselle asialle, hänen poikansa saattoi jo kännipäissään lämmetä siitä, ja pojan poika onkin liput liehuen jo menossa. Viha,katkeruus,kateus, kauna. Ne siirtyvät sukupolvilta kunnes historian sykli ne nollaa.
 
Sinun täytyy kirjautua vastataksesi.
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