Ukrainan konflikti/sota
Toinen merkittävä (tai ehkäpä merkittävin) syy M109 lisätoimituksille on myös niiden hävikki. Oryxin mukaan niitä on toimitettu vähintään 175 kpl eri maiden toimesta mutta hävikki on ollut 62 kpl joista suurin osa tuhottu.
Hävikki
Putinxyjlo
Eversti
30% tappio ei nyt tässä sodassa kuulosta kovin kummoiselta. Iso se on, siihen nähden, että noita ei pitäisi voida tuhota kuin tarkoilla ohjuksilla tai lanceteilla.
Leaderwolf
Respected Leader
Pikkuhiljaa moni maa lähettänyt veneitä/maihinnousuveneitä Ukrainalle. Luultavasti Dneprin vuotuisia vetouistelu kilpailuita varten vain...
Rajajääkäri
Ylipäällikkö
Kyllä tuo Haloska on jotenkin kehitysvammainen.
Vääpeli
Greatest Leader
Asiantuntijoista voi olla mitä mieltä tahansa. Mutta kartta ei valehtele. Venäjä on onnistunut pikkuhiljaa puskemaan Ukrainaa takasin. Vähän, mutta kummiskin.
Ukraina ei kykene valtauksiin edes länsiaseilla – Asiantuntija: Kaikki resurssit menevät yhteen asiaan
Ukrainan kauan odotettu vastahyökkäys alkoi viime kesänä. Tilannestudion 94. jaksossa tarkastellaan, mikä on tilanne Ukrainan tuolloin vapauttamilla alueilla ja onko Ukrainalla enää rahkeita jatkaa eteenpäin.
www.iltalehti.fi
VanhaPate
Respected Leader
Operational information as of 22.00 on 14.06.2024 regarding the Russian invasion
The defense forces continue to resolutely oppose the enemy's attempts to advance deep into the territory of Ukraine, and direct their efforts to disrupt the execution of the offensive plans by the Russian occupiers.
Today, the Air Force and missile forces and artillery of the Defense Forces hit 15 personnel concentration areas, three anti-aircraft assets, three artillery assets, two ammunition depots and one more important enemy facility.
During the day, the enemy launched six missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine using 17 missiles. In addition, 38 airstrikes using 57 air defense systems were recorded. 490 kamikaze drones were used. At the same time, the enemy carried out more than 3,000 attacks on the positions of our troops and settlements using various types of weapons.
So far, 81 combat clashes have taken place.
The Russian aggressor is trying to use the advantage in manpower, equipment and air support. Despite the intense enemy onslaught, Ukrainian soldiers fought back hard and effectively.
In the Kharkiv direction, the Russian occupiers, with the support of aviation, tried to storm the positions of our units in the Vovchansk and Tykh regions three times. All enemy attacks are repulsed.
Ten combat clashes with the occupiers took place in the Kupyansk direction. The enemy tried to improve the tactical position in the areas of Petropavlivka, Synkivka and Pišchane settlements. Near Sinkivka, all enemy assaults have been repulsed, battles are still ongoing in Petropavlivka and Pishchany districts.
On the Lymanskyi direction, Russian troops attacked our positions nine times during the day in the areas of Grekivka, Terniv, and Nevsky. The situation is under control - four clashes have ended, and five are still ongoing.
In the Kramatorsk direction, enemy activity in the Andriivka area was not successful.
The enemy is intensively attacking the Ukrainian defenders in the Pokrovsky direction. Here, during the day, the aggressor carried out 29 assault and offensive actions. The Russian occupiers are most active in the Novooleksandrivka, Sokol, and Novopokrovsky districts. In general, Ukrainian defenders have already repelled 17 attacks in the direction, 12 more clashes are ongoing. The situation is difficult, but controlled by the Defense Forces. Our soldiers are making efforts to prevent the enemy from advancing deep into Ukrainian territory. According to the currently available information, today the aggressor's losses in this direction amounted to 263 people killed and wounded. In addition, several occupiers surrendered. One tank, three artillery systems, eight cars and five armored fighting vehicles were destroyed. In addition, two vehicles, five anti-aircraft guns, two tanks and three enemy guns were damaged.
At this time of the day, there are 20 combat clashes in the Kurakhiv direction. The invaders remain highly active, trying to advance in the areas of Krasnohorivka, Paraskoviivka and Kostyantynivka settlements. Units of the Defense Forces repelled 16 enemy attacks, four are still ongoing.
In other areas, there were no significant changes - the enemy did not succeed, our territories and positions were not lost.
Let's beat the invaders and bring our Victory closer!
Glory to Ukraine!
t.me
The defense forces continue to resolutely oppose the enemy's attempts to advance deep into the territory of Ukraine, and direct their efforts to disrupt the execution of the offensive plans by the Russian occupiers.
Today, the Air Force and missile forces and artillery of the Defense Forces hit 15 personnel concentration areas, three anti-aircraft assets, three artillery assets, two ammunition depots and one more important enemy facility.
During the day, the enemy launched six missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine using 17 missiles. In addition, 38 airstrikes using 57 air defense systems were recorded. 490 kamikaze drones were used. At the same time, the enemy carried out more than 3,000 attacks on the positions of our troops and settlements using various types of weapons.
So far, 81 combat clashes have taken place.
The Russian aggressor is trying to use the advantage in manpower, equipment and air support. Despite the intense enemy onslaught, Ukrainian soldiers fought back hard and effectively.
In the Kharkiv direction, the Russian occupiers, with the support of aviation, tried to storm the positions of our units in the Vovchansk and Tykh regions three times. All enemy attacks are repulsed.
Ten combat clashes with the occupiers took place in the Kupyansk direction. The enemy tried to improve the tactical position in the areas of Petropavlivka, Synkivka and Pišchane settlements. Near Sinkivka, all enemy assaults have been repulsed, battles are still ongoing in Petropavlivka and Pishchany districts.
On the Lymanskyi direction, Russian troops attacked our positions nine times during the day in the areas of Grekivka, Terniv, and Nevsky. The situation is under control - four clashes have ended, and five are still ongoing.
In the Kramatorsk direction, enemy activity in the Andriivka area was not successful.
The enemy is intensively attacking the Ukrainian defenders in the Pokrovsky direction. Here, during the day, the aggressor carried out 29 assault and offensive actions. The Russian occupiers are most active in the Novooleksandrivka, Sokol, and Novopokrovsky districts. In general, Ukrainian defenders have already repelled 17 attacks in the direction, 12 more clashes are ongoing. The situation is difficult, but controlled by the Defense Forces. Our soldiers are making efforts to prevent the enemy from advancing deep into Ukrainian territory. According to the currently available information, today the aggressor's losses in this direction amounted to 263 people killed and wounded. In addition, several occupiers surrendered. One tank, three artillery systems, eight cars and five armored fighting vehicles were destroyed. In addition, two vehicles, five anti-aircraft guns, two tanks and three enemy guns were damaged.
At this time of the day, there are 20 combat clashes in the Kurakhiv direction. The invaders remain highly active, trying to advance in the areas of Krasnohorivka, Paraskoviivka and Kostyantynivka settlements. Units of the Defense Forces repelled 16 enemy attacks, four are still ongoing.
In other areas, there were no significant changes - the enemy did not succeed, our territories and positions were not lost.
Let's beat the invaders and bring our Victory closer!
Glory to Ukraine!
Генеральний штаб ЗСУ
Оперативна інформація станом на 22.00 14.06.2024 щодо російського вторгнення Сили оборони продовжують рішуче протидіяти спробам противника просунутися в глибину території України, спрямовують зусилля на зрив виконання російськими окупантами планів наступу. Сьогодні Повітряні сили та ракетні...
t.me
Vaikea tuolta venäjän vaikutuspiiristä on enää pois päästä, kun kerran sinne on ajautunut.
On näitä muitakin esimerkkejä, suomalaisia, saksalaisia, itävaltalaisia yms entisiä huippupoliitikkoja.
Tosin halonen on koko uransa ollut niin kehitysvammaisen typerä, että se voi ihan aidosti itsekin uskoa omiin sanomisiinsa.
Moscow Timesilta artikkeli tutkimuksessa, jossa venäläisten mielialoja kartotettu. Venäläisten luotto omaan propagandaan on kasvanut ja melkein 2/3 kansasta uskoo Venäjän voittoon tämän tutkimuksen mukaan.
www.moscowtimes.ru
Edit: sopinee tähän:
Nää on kyl neroja. Ruplan heikkeminen meinaa vaan sitä, että dollari kallistuu ja amerikkalaisilla ei ole varaa leipään.
Больше половины россиян приготовились к мировой войне и рассчитывают на победу над США - Русская служба The Moscow Times
Больше половины россиян (57%) верят в возможность начала новой мировой войны.
Edit: sopinee tähän:
Nää on kyl neroja. Ruplan heikkeminen meinaa vaan sitä, että dollari kallistuu ja amerikkalaisilla ei ole varaa leipään.
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Kun näitä ryssän infovaikuttajia mietitään, on jotenkin helppoa viitata LePeniin ja muihin lähtökohtaisesti epämiellyttäviksi koettuihin tahoihin.
Mutta eipä taida tarvita Ranskaan asti katsella, kun löytyy ex-presidentti omista.
Tuo avaus on vielä monella tapaa kiero. Tietysti se toteutuessaan johtaisi siihen, että sota jäätyisi niille sijoilleen ja ryssä saisi juurruttaa ryöstämiään alueita.
Ukrainaan rauhanturvajoukkoja länsimaiden ulkopuolelta? Stubb meni ymmälleen Halosen villistä ajatuksesta
Presidentti Tarja Halonen nosti Presidentinlinnan Kultaranta-keskusteluissa ilmoille ajatuksen, joka tuli tasavallan presidentti Alexander Stubbille yllätyksenä.www.mtvuutiset.fi
Kissamummon ajatuksia Kultaranta keskusteluissa... itkeäkö vai nauraa
Mutta lisäksi se häivyttää mielestä sitä, mistä sodassa on kyse. Yleensä rauhanturvaus toimii, kun on kaksi sotaisaa osapuolta, jotka pidetään erillään toisistaan, jotta alkuperäistä ongelmaa (sodan syy) voitaisiin käsitellä neuvotellen, kun molemmilla osapuolilla on legitiimejä intressejä.
Mutta nythän ei ole kyse siitä! On vain jumalauta yksi hyökkääjä, ryssälä. Joka yrittää ryöstää suvereenin Eurooppalaisen valtion alueita ja luinnonvaroja. Ja on siinä sivussa murhannut siviilejä, tuhonnut patoja ja ties mitä.
Ei ryssällä ole mitään oikeutta Ukrainan alueisiin ja resursseihin. Ja näin ollen ei pidä olla mitään neuvotteluprosessia, mitä rauhanturvaoperaatio tukisi. Sen sijaan sota loppuu, kun ryssä vetää joukkonsa omalle puolelle kansainvälisesti tunnustettuja rajoja.
Tuo Halosen ulostulo ei ollut mikään vahinko. Kieroutta alusta loppuun.
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Uusi jakso War on the rocksia:
Itseni yllätti tieto, että Venäjän kuukausittainen kyky mobilisoida on laskenut. Kofman arvio, että Venäjä kykenee mobilisoimaan n. 25 000 miestä / kk kun viime vuonna lukema oli n. 30 000 miestä / kk.
Kofman totesi nykyisen arvion olevan epätarkka, mutta suunta on siis oikea.
Kofman myös analysoi, että suurten tappioiden takia Venäjä joutuu nyt säästelemään panssaroitujen ajoneuvojen kulutusta, jotta tästä ei tule suurempaa ongelmaa 2025.
Is Russia's Window for Gains this Summer Narrowing? - War on the Rocks
Michael Kofman dropped into War on the Rocks HQ to chat with Ryan about the war in Ukraine. From Russia's culminated offensive on Kharkiv, to battlefields
warontherocks.com
Itseni yllätti tieto, että Venäjän kuukausittainen kyky mobilisoida on laskenut. Kofman arvio, että Venäjä kykenee mobilisoimaan n. 25 000 miestä / kk kun viime vuonna lukema oli n. 30 000 miestä / kk.
Kofman totesi nykyisen arvion olevan epätarkka, mutta suunta on siis oikea.
Kofman myös analysoi, että suurten tappioiden takia Venäjä joutuu nyt säästelemään panssaroitujen ajoneuvojen kulutusta, jotta tästä ei tule suurempaa ongelmaa 2025.
ido59
Majuri
ryssäpataljoonassa pidetty kirjaa dronehavainnoista. 290 bongausta per vuorokausi 
viiden minuutin välein. Osa saattaa tosin olla sama laite havaittu ja kirjattu useamman toimesta. Toisaalta paljon jää varmaankin myös huomamatta.
A Russian battalion keeps a daily log of what time a Ukrainian FPV drone arrives at their positions, and when artillery strikes occur. I don’t know if this is a new record, but 290 FPV attacks in a single day is pretty impressive.
viiden minuutin välein. Osa saattaa tosin olla sama laite havaittu ja kirjattu useamman toimesta. Toisaalta paljon jää varmaankin myös huomamatta.
A Russian battalion keeps a daily log of what time a Ukrainian FPV drone arrives at their positions, and when artillery strikes occur. I don’t know if this is a new record, but 290 FPV attacks in a single day is pretty impressive.
ryssäpataljoonassa pidetty kirjaa dronehavainnoista. 290 bongausta per vuorokausi
viiden minuutin välein. Osa saattaa tosin olla sama laite havaittu ja kirjattu useamman toimesta. Toisaalta paljon jää varmaankin myös huomamatta.
A Russian battalion keeps a daily log of what time a Ukrainian FPV drone arrives at their positions, and when artillery strikes occur. I don’t know if this is a new record, but 290 FPV attacks in a single day is pretty impressive.
Kaveri nosti heti kätensä ylös virheen merkiksi - 15 FPV ja muut oli yleisiä dronehavaintoja
ido59
Majuri
Strelkov-Girkinin ryssäkaverin pohdintaa ryssän, Ukrainan, sodan ja maailmanpolitiikan tilanteesta. Ennustaa sodan jäätymistä ja Lännen tuen jatkumista ja lännen yhä jatkavan Ukrainan aseistamista ja kouluttamista. Lopputuloksena Berliinin muuri 2, elintasoeroineen. Puhuu myös Kiinasta ja ryssätaloudesta. Lopuksi sanoo, ettei ryssäjohdolla ole visiota maan tulevaisuudesta.
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Maxim Kalashnikov, a Russian futurist and friend of Strelkov-Girkin, known widely in narrow circles, predicts the freezing of the conflict on conditions unsuitable for the Russian Federation. His theories are rather exaggerated, but nevertheless, it is interesting to read the changes in the psychology of the rashists lately.
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Maxim Kalashnikov, a Russian futurist and friend of Strelkov-Girkin, known widely in narrow circles, predicts the freezing of the conflict on conditions unsuitable for the Russian Federation. His theories are rather exaggerated, but nevertheless, it is interesting to read the changes in the psychology of the rashists lately.
"Well, the prospect of operation “Berlin Wall 2” after the freeze of the war has emerged. The fact that it is inevitable is already visible. Both the United States and China are pushing us towards it.
For the former, it is beneficial because it was possible to achieve important strategic goals. The anti-Russian statehood of Ukraine is preserved on eighty percent of its territory. The Russian irredenta - the unification of all branches of the Rus in one country - has been thwarted. A bloody wedge has been driven between the Great Russians and the Little Russians. The NATO bloc has been replenished with Swedes and Finns, and now it is being pushed even more towards the Russian Federation. There is already a possibility that the economy will fall after the reduction of military orders; the credit and financial bloc of the Russian Federation remains in the hands of pro-Western forces. The reserves of the Central Bank of the 2022 model were taken away from the country. In general, the Yankees will not consider all this a failure.
The Chinese are also in profit. The Russian Federation is weakened and more closely tied to Beijing in the role of a junior ally. Our technological and economic dependence on Beijing is only growing; it has twisted our arms in terms of gas supplies. It is quite possible to freeze the war and establish a new order, avoiding unrest in the Russian Federation.
So I think freezing is inevitable. Moreover, as a result of the war, it turns out that our situation has not improved (let me remind you of Clausewitz’s principle). And the struggle will not end by any means.The West clearly intends to carry out Operation Berlin Wall 2. That is, to make sure that life in Bandera’s 80 percent of Ukraine-Little Russia (and in the part of Novorossiya that we have not conquered) was better, of higher quality than in the new federal district of Novorossiya in the Russian Federation. By analogy with the GDR and West Berlin (actually the Federal Republic of Germany) in 1961-1989. When Germans from the poorer socialist part fled to the rich West. They will obviously try to use the proven scheme in b. Ukrainian SSR.
For this purpose, de facto external management is being introduced in Kyiv (so that the native elite does not steal everything), and for the security of three hundred billion taken from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, large loans will be issued for the reconstruction of Banderistan. They will build new thermal power plants there, develop the agricultural industry (the raw material periphery of the West, its breadbasket), and streamline the work of anti-corruption structures. They will build normal courts and a system of local elections. They will create the impression of “this is europe” next to the “dense Asian despotism”...
No, Ukrainian citizens will not live as prosperously as Europeans. But our enemy will try to make their life better than on the lost 20 percent of the land. In order to create the effect of the Berlin Wall, confusing the minds and hearts of the residents of the federal district of Novorossiya. Moreover, the bulk of the ruins and humanitarian crises fall to us after the war is frozen. Well, if you weren’t able to prepare and carry out a successful blitzkrieg, then your reap what you sow.
Moreover, the enemy will try to make very large expenditures on the Russian Federation to eliminate the devastation in new regions, thereby putting a stone on our necks that will drag us to the bottom. Combined with the continuation of the sanctions blockade and the need to spend a fair amount on the conversion of the military industry, which gained great momentum during the war. I believe that the enemy is betting that the Russian authorities will not survive economically. Well, 80% Ukraine will become a proxy for NATO, will be armed and will be trained to resume the war. Already taking into account the experience of the SMO, with the new Air Force, drones, etc. Maybe it will also receive American bases on its territory. Following the results of the SMO, the Anglo-Saxons are much less afraid of our nuclear weapons than before.
I consider this an extremely serious challenge. We need an extremely non-trivial plan for the new industrialization of the entire Russian Federation in order to prevent the effect of the Berlin Wall. Because simply pumping money into new regions while saving on the “old” lands of the Russian Federation is the path to turmoil. We need a general development project. Based on a clear project of the Future. And five-year plans.
Alas, so far our authorities have neither a clear image of the future Russia, nor a clearly articulated project of neo-industrialization, nor a successful practice of “taking off the raw materials needle” of the country as a whole."
-TripleX-
Respected Leader
Ryssiä on jäänyt mottiin Vovchanskissa ja niitä on pari päivää yritetty saada sieltä irroitettua huonoin tuloksin. Mahtaa tulla raatoja ihan kiitettävää tahtia.
T-62M ei ole kaksinen vastus noille drooneille, kun iskukulma on yläviistosta niin läpäisy on varmaa tornistakin etupuolelta.
T-62M ei ole kaksinen vastus noille drooneille, kun iskukulma on yläviistosta niin läpäisy on varmaa tornistakin etupuolelta.
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-TripleX-
Respected Leader
Tällaista ratkaisuahan on foorumillakin mietitty, iso drooni kantaa yhden tai useamman tyttären jotka on paljon vaikeampi havaita tai torjua.
Kantava drooni voi kantamastaan riippuen jopa palata takaisin hakemaan uuden lastin.
Viime yönä ilmeisesti yritetty hyökätä Rostovin alueella olevaan rakettipolttoainetehtaaseen, jos onnistui niin siitä varmaan kuullaan tänään lisäinfoa.
Kantava drooni voi kantamastaan riippuen jopa palata takaisin hakemaan uuden lastin.
Viime yönä ilmeisesti yritetty hyökätä Rostovin alueella olevaan rakettipolttoainetehtaaseen, jos onnistui niin siitä varmaan kuullaan tänään lisäinfoa.