Vonka
Supreme Leader
Näissä ulkoistamisissa olen meilläkin miettinyt, että kaupallinen toimija kai on lopultakin sen puolella, joka eniten maksaa. Kysykää vaikka Harkimolta tai Fennovoimalta.
Näissä ulkoistamisissa olen meilläkin miettinyt, että kaupallinen toimija kai on lopultakin sen puolella, joka eniten maksaa. Kysykää vaikka Harkimolta tai Fennovoimalta.
Ovatko kopterit edes Ukrainassa?
26 helikopteria on vuokrattu Ukrainian helicopters companylle 2011.
Sopimuksessa teksti :
- koptereista pidettävä hyvää huolta
- force majore , helikopterit on palautettava puolustusministeriölle 15 päivässä
http://censor.net.ua/news/289422/26...to_do_sih_por_ne_vernuli_minoborony_chornovol
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...-to-ukrainian-helicopters-company-351610.html
Minne vuokraaja on ne roudannut , ja missä ne lentävät , vai lentävätkö ollenkaan , en tiedä.
Ja tämän firman mainos :
We will transfer you to an airfield not far from Kiev for an exhilarating flight in a converted former military airforce helicopter
Kuvassa on MI-24.
Kukapa tietää onko tuolla firmalla juuri noita vuokrattuja hekoja.
http://www.ukraineconnections.co.uk/helicopter.htm
Kaikenkaikkiaan tämäkin episodi sopii hyvin rimanalituskasaan.
Sopimuksessa teksti :
- koptereista pidettävä hyvää huolta
- force majore , helikopterit on palautettava puolustusministeriölle 15 päivässä
http://censor.net.ua/news/289422/26...to_do_sih_por_ne_vernuli_minoborony_chornovol
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...-to-ukrainian-helicopters-company-351610.html
Minne vuokraaja on ne roudannut , ja missä ne lentävät , vai lentävätkö ollenkaan , en tiedä.
Ja tämän firman mainos :
We will transfer you to an airfield not far from Kiev for an exhilarating flight in a converted former military airforce helicopter
Kuvassa on MI-24.
Kukapa tietää onko tuolla firmalla juuri noita vuokrattuja hekoja.
http://www.ukraineconnections.co.uk/helicopter.htm
Kaikenkaikkiaan tämäkin episodi sopii hyvin rimanalituskasaan.
Vääpeli
Greatest Leader
Aivan samaa mieltä. Ja montako viestivälinettä näitte? Taitaa kommunikaatio kulkea ihan GSM verkon kautta.
Hyvä diili, Venäjän kansallisuus "seikkailusta" Ukrainan puolella?
Thursday, June 26, 2014
Ukraine
Uzbeks Adding To Ranks Of Ukraine's Pro-Russian Separatists
A June 22 photo from the Donetsk region city of Siversk shows a Kalashnikov-carrying separatist identified as Bakhtiyor, a native of Uzbekistan.
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By RFE/RL's Uzbek Service
June 25, 2014
Fresh evidence suggests that pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine are looking to Central Asia as a potential source of trained military fighters.
A June 22 photograph taken by the Reuters news agency in the Donetsk region city of Siversk shows a Kalashnikov-carrying separatist identified as Bakhtiyor, a native of Uzbekistan.
On June 24, a correspondent with RFE/RL's Uzbek Service anonymously contacted recruiters for the "Donetsk People's Republic" (DNR), an unrecognized state in eastern Ukraine and part of the region's unofficial Novorossia separatist confederation. He was assured that he was welcome and that any problems connected to his foreign citizenship could likely be resolved.
The correspondent, identifying himself as an Uzbek citizen, asked if it was possible for him and a fellow Uzbek to enlist. The recruitment spokesman, speaking from the DNR's Moscow office, said it was allowed "in principle," but that "specific measures" would need to be taken to address their lack of a Russian passport.
The recruiter went on to say that no payment was available and that enlistment was on a volunteer basis only. A second DNR representative, located in Ukraine's Donbas region, told the correspondent that the separatists were only looking to recruit people "from law enforcement or with a military specialization."
Fighting For Pay
The revelations appear to confirm the composite nature of eastern Ukraine's separatist armies, which have battled the Ukrainian military and self-defense forces in an attempt to break free of Ukrainian control in favor of closer ties with Russia.
Separatist battalions at first claimed to be homegrown but have since proven to include fighters from throughout Russia, including the North Caucasus, as well as from Russia-friendly regions such as South Ossetia, the breakaway territory located inside Georgia. A small number of Central Asians are also said to be among their ranks.
Military observers and journalists in eastern Ukraine say Russia is actively backing the recruitment drive, using both money and ample tanks, armored cars, and other armaments as an enticement.
Some of the fighters claim to be fighting out of pro-Russian or Orthodox Christian sentiment. Others appear to be mercenaries drawn by the promise of steady pay.
An amateur video posted recently on the Internet shows a 21-year-old Russian military cadet who had attempted to enlist with separatist forces but was captured by Ukrainian national guards. In the video confession, the cadet says he responded to an Internet recruitment ad and was promised $1,000 a day to join the DNR troops.
Shavkhat Mukhamed, an Uzbek citizen who has participated in Ukraine's pro-Western Euromaidan protests, told RFE/RL he had contacts in the Luhansk region, including Chechens and fellow Uzbeks, who have been offered between $50-$100 a day to fight with separatists there.
Ukraine's national news agency, Ukrinform, reported on June 23 that Russia had attempted to recruit veterans of the French Foreign Legion, offering up to 10,000 euros ($13,600) per month.
Fighting For Citizenship?
The existence of unofficial separatist bodies in Donetsk and Luhansk -- each with their own armed forces and recruitment boards -- allows Moscow to argue that it has no direct connection to eastern Ukraine's Russian-speaking foreign forces. (The June 25 vote by Russia's upper house of parliament, revoking authorization for military intervention in Ukraine, adds a further degree of plausible denial.)
But some recruits may be looking to make the relationship with Russia more explicit -- particularly Central Asians, who make up the bulk of Russia's undocumented temporary workforce.
In April, the Russian Migrants' Foundation said as many as 100,000 migrants had expressed readiness to "defend Russia's interests anywhere in the world" in return for Russian citizenship.
It is not clear how many Central Asian migrants have the military experience that pro-Russian recruiters currently crave. Uzbekistan, which like most post-Soviet countries still has compulsory military service, has the second-largest army in Central Asia after Kazakhstan, and arguably the most experienced. Many Uzbek soldiers fought in the Soviet-Afghan War, as well as conflicts associated with the Soviet breakup, including the Tajik civil war, Chechnya, and Nagorno-Karabakh.
Thursday, June 26, 2014
Ukraine
Uzbeks Adding To Ranks Of Ukraine's Pro-Russian Separatists
A June 22 photo from the Donetsk region city of Siversk shows a Kalashnikov-carrying separatist identified as Bakhtiyor, a native of Uzbekistan.
Kerry: Russia Must Do More- Poroshenko Warns He May End Cease-Fire
- Ukraine Separatists Agree Truce
- Russian State TV Adds Its Own Twist To RFE/RL Video
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By RFE/RL's Uzbek Service
June 25, 2014
Fresh evidence suggests that pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine are looking to Central Asia as a potential source of trained military fighters.
A June 22 photograph taken by the Reuters news agency in the Donetsk region city of Siversk shows a Kalashnikov-carrying separatist identified as Bakhtiyor, a native of Uzbekistan.
On June 24, a correspondent with RFE/RL's Uzbek Service anonymously contacted recruiters for the "Donetsk People's Republic" (DNR), an unrecognized state in eastern Ukraine and part of the region's unofficial Novorossia separatist confederation. He was assured that he was welcome and that any problems connected to his foreign citizenship could likely be resolved.
The correspondent, identifying himself as an Uzbek citizen, asked if it was possible for him and a fellow Uzbek to enlist. The recruitment spokesman, speaking from the DNR's Moscow office, said it was allowed "in principle," but that "specific measures" would need to be taken to address their lack of a Russian passport.
The recruiter went on to say that no payment was available and that enlistment was on a volunteer basis only. A second DNR representative, located in Ukraine's Donbas region, told the correspondent that the separatists were only looking to recruit people "from law enforcement or with a military specialization."
Fighting For Pay
The revelations appear to confirm the composite nature of eastern Ukraine's separatist armies, which have battled the Ukrainian military and self-defense forces in an attempt to break free of Ukrainian control in favor of closer ties with Russia.
Separatist battalions at first claimed to be homegrown but have since proven to include fighters from throughout Russia, including the North Caucasus, as well as from Russia-friendly regions such as South Ossetia, the breakaway territory located inside Georgia. A small number of Central Asians are also said to be among their ranks.
Military observers and journalists in eastern Ukraine say Russia is actively backing the recruitment drive, using both money and ample tanks, armored cars, and other armaments as an enticement.
Some of the fighters claim to be fighting out of pro-Russian or Orthodox Christian sentiment. Others appear to be mercenaries drawn by the promise of steady pay.
An amateur video posted recently on the Internet shows a 21-year-old Russian military cadet who had attempted to enlist with separatist forces but was captured by Ukrainian national guards. In the video confession, the cadet says he responded to an Internet recruitment ad and was promised $1,000 a day to join the DNR troops.
Shavkhat Mukhamed, an Uzbek citizen who has participated in Ukraine's pro-Western Euromaidan protests, told RFE/RL he had contacts in the Luhansk region, including Chechens and fellow Uzbeks, who have been offered between $50-$100 a day to fight with separatists there.
Ukraine's national news agency, Ukrinform, reported on June 23 that Russia had attempted to recruit veterans of the French Foreign Legion, offering up to 10,000 euros ($13,600) per month.
Fighting For Citizenship?
The existence of unofficial separatist bodies in Donetsk and Luhansk -- each with their own armed forces and recruitment boards -- allows Moscow to argue that it has no direct connection to eastern Ukraine's Russian-speaking foreign forces. (The June 25 vote by Russia's upper house of parliament, revoking authorization for military intervention in Ukraine, adds a further degree of plausible denial.)
But some recruits may be looking to make the relationship with Russia more explicit -- particularly Central Asians, who make up the bulk of Russia's undocumented temporary workforce.
In April, the Russian Migrants' Foundation said as many as 100,000 migrants had expressed readiness to "defend Russia's interests anywhere in the world" in return for Russian citizenship.
It is not clear how many Central Asian migrants have the military experience that pro-Russian recruiters currently crave. Uzbekistan, which like most post-Soviet countries still has compulsory military service, has the second-largest army in Central Asia after Kazakhstan, and arguably the most experienced. Many Uzbek soldiers fought in the Soviet-Afghan War, as well as conflicts associated with the Soviet breakup, including the Tajik civil war, Chechnya, and Nagorno-Karabakh.
Vonka
Supreme Leader
Mahtaako kansalaisella Venäjällä niin hyvin oikeuksia ja vapauksia, että kannattaa...
Vice Newsin raportti antaa aika synkän kuvan "tulitauosta"
Ukraine's Ceasefire Is Shot Down in Flames
By Alec Luhn
June 26, 2014 | 1:15 am
https://news.vice.com/article/ukraines-ceasefire-is-shot-down-in-flames
Alla muutama ote:
Alexander Borodai, the self-styled prime minister of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), today told journalists that the agreement reached during negotiations between representatives of Kiev, Moscow, and the rebels on Monday was a “fiction” that “has now been aborted.” Further negotiations are not possible until Kiev removes its forces from eastern Ukraine, he said.
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After similar statements from other Luhansk leaders, Tymchuk wrote that the leaders weren't in control of the various rebel units.
“In these conditions, any negotiation process with the LPR and DPR loses its meaning, since we're talking about only two out of dozens of disparate terrorist groups,” he stated.
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Poroshenko said the rebels were responsible for breaking the June 20 ceasefire 52 times, as a result of which 18 people died and 27 were injured.
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Serious doubts remain about whether either side can actually enforce a truce. Conversations with rebels in Sloviansk suggested no order to cease fire had ever come down to them. Instead, they argued that they never attack first anyway. “Nothing has changed for us,” Vasya said. “There is no ceasefire.”
Ukraine's Ceasefire Is Shot Down in Flames
By Alec Luhn
June 26, 2014 | 1:15 am
https://news.vice.com/article/ukraines-ceasefire-is-shot-down-in-flames
Alla muutama ote:
Alexander Borodai, the self-styled prime minister of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), today told journalists that the agreement reached during negotiations between representatives of Kiev, Moscow, and the rebels on Monday was a “fiction” that “has now been aborted.” Further negotiations are not possible until Kiev removes its forces from eastern Ukraine, he said.
...
After similar statements from other Luhansk leaders, Tymchuk wrote that the leaders weren't in control of the various rebel units.
“In these conditions, any negotiation process with the LPR and DPR loses its meaning, since we're talking about only two out of dozens of disparate terrorist groups,” he stated.
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Poroshenko said the rebels were responsible for breaking the June 20 ceasefire 52 times, as a result of which 18 people died and 27 were injured.
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Serious doubts remain about whether either side can actually enforce a truce. Conversations with rebels in Sloviansk suggested no order to cease fire had ever come down to them. Instead, they argued that they never attack first anyway. “Nothing has changed for us,” Vasya said. “There is no ceasefire.”
Mitä ilmeisimmin Poroshenko halusi alkujaan hetken hengähdystauon. Kapinallisten ei tietenkään ole mielekästä sellaiseen suostua.
Onko tietoa paljonko Ukraina on saanut joukkoja liikekannalle? Ilmeisesti muutama pataljoona oli heti uuden hallinnon käytettävissä. Seuraavat pitäisi perustaa reservistä tai muutoin haalituista vapaaehtoisista. Onko onnistunut missä mitassa?
aj77
Greatest Leader
Kapinallisten johtajat eivät välttämättä ollenkaan ole Putinin käskyvallassa. Jos eivät ole saaneet mitä haluavat.
Nyt kun Kerry jo huutaa tuolla että Putinin pitäisi julkisesti pyytää kapinallisia laskemaan aseensa,niin eihän se voi sitä tehdä jos ne ei tottele.
Kapinallisten johtajien pitäisi tietää vallan hyvin että maailmassa on tasan yksi johtaja jolle ei vittuilla ja se on Putin. Usalle voi vittuilla ja Eu:lle nyt vittuilee kaikki ihan tavan vuoksi, mutta ei Putinille. Odotellut sellaistakin uutista että joku kapinallisten johtajista kuolee lähiaikoina epäselvissä olosuhteissa.
Nyt kun Kerry jo huutaa tuolla että Putinin pitäisi julkisesti pyytää kapinallisia laskemaan aseensa,niin eihän se voi sitä tehdä jos ne ei tottele.
Kapinallisten johtajien pitäisi tietää vallan hyvin että maailmassa on tasan yksi johtaja jolle ei vittuilla ja se on Putin. Usalle voi vittuilla ja Eu:lle nyt vittuilee kaikki ihan tavan vuoksi, mutta ei Putinille. Odotellut sellaistakin uutista että joku kapinallisten johtajista kuolee lähiaikoina epäselvissä olosuhteissa.
fulcrum
Greatest Leader
Ei johtajia kannata ruveta tappamaan, sitten ei ole enää ketään kenen kanssa neuvotella, ryhmät hajoavat ja rupeavat toimimaan omin päin. Paljon hankalampaa niin.
Jos se siihen menee niin kyllä painostuskeinoja löytyy, kyllähän Venäjä tietää ketä nämä jehut ovat - esimerkiksi Strelkovin äidin sanotaan olevan FSB:n turvasäilössä.
Jos se siihen menee niin kyllä painostuskeinoja löytyy, kyllähän Venäjä tietää ketä nämä jehut ovat - esimerkiksi Strelkovin äidin sanotaan olevan FSB:n turvasäilössä.
Vonka
Supreme Leader
Perhettä aidosti suojellaan.
Strelkov ei ole koskaan ilmaissut taustojaan, mutta Reuters kaivoi esiin toukokuussa Girkinin perheen (äitinsä, pari lasta ja ex-vaimo asuneet aina samassa yhdeksänkerroksisessa talossa Moskovassa Shenkurskin tiellä). Kävivät rapussakin. Innokas naapuri, Galina Ivanovna, joka asuu pari rappua alempana, lörpötteli lisää.
Näin julistettiin maailmalle, missä separatistien johtajan perhe asuu.
On muuten halveksittavaa, jos vanha nainen joutuu piiloutumaan turvallisuutesa vuoksi. Strelkov tekee työtään. Se ei miellytä kaikkia, mutta sotilas on sotilas.
Viimeksi muokattu:
fulcrum
Greatest Leader
Kyllä, Moskovassa varmasti on vihaisia ukrainalaisia, kyllä Strelkovin sukulaiset olivat ihan oikeastikin vaarassa. Mutta voi tällaisia tilanteita käyttää toiseenkin tarkoitukseen jos tarvitaan.
Venäjän ulkoministeriö sanoo (edelleen) tämänpäiväisessä tiedotteessaan että Ukrainan EU-assosiaatiosopimus voi vahingoittaa Venäjää.
Russian Foreign Ministry comment regarding consultation in the Russia-Ukraine-EU:
"We continue to believe that the conclusion of the CA with Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia may therefore affect the Russian economy as a result of rupture of cooperation and reduce trade - economic relations with our neighbors."
https://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http://mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/D909434EE2115F6B44257D03003A4C48&edit-text=
Michael Emerson (entinen EUn Moskovan lähettiläs) pitää vaikutuksia lähes olemattomina:
Russia’s economic interests and the EU’s DCFTA with Ukrainе
Michael Emerson is Associate Senior Research Fellow at the Centre for European Policy Studies (CEPS), former EU ambassador to Moscow.
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eu...onomic-interests-and-eus-dcfta-ukraine-303066
Twitterissä liikkui viesti jossa huomautettiin että sopimuksen ratifioiminen kaikissa EU:n jäsenmaissa voi viedä vuosia.
Russian Foreign Ministry comment regarding consultation in the Russia-Ukraine-EU:
"We continue to believe that the conclusion of the CA with Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia may therefore affect the Russian economy as a result of rupture of cooperation and reduce trade - economic relations with our neighbors."
https://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http://mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/D909434EE2115F6B44257D03003A4C48&edit-text=
Michael Emerson (entinen EUn Moskovan lähettiläs) pitää vaikutuksia lähes olemattomina:
Russia’s economic interests and the EU’s DCFTA with Ukrainе
Michael Emerson is Associate Senior Research Fellow at the Centre for European Policy Studies (CEPS), former EU ambassador to Moscow.
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eu...onomic-interests-and-eus-dcfta-ukraine-303066
Twitterissä liikkui viesti jossa huomautettiin että sopimuksen ratifioiminen kaikissa EU:n jäsenmaissa voi viedä vuosia.
Peli Ukrainan kaasuvarannoista on kovaa, kuten oheinen lainaus SvD:n uutisesta osoittaa, mutta kuka lopunperin omistaa maan luonnonvarat?
Misen rusade på börsen efter felaktiga uppgifter
Det lilla svenska företaget Misen Energy hann rusa 32 procent på First North innan handeln stoppades. Allt till följd av medieuppgifter om att Misen i hemlighet skaffat kontrollen över hälften av Ukrainas naturgas.
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Living without Russian gas: Hard, but possible
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June 26, 2014, 1:56 p.m. | Business — by Evan Ostryzniuk
EU commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger (R) and Ukrainian Minister of Energy Yuriy Prodan (L) speak during a press conference following their working session on June 25, 2014 at the EU headquarters in Brussels. The meeting focused on issues related to gas supply and energy security, as well as the next steps to take after the latest round of trilateral negotiations in Kyiv between the EU, Ukraine and Russia.
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Evan Ostryzniuk
Evan Ostryzniuk is a long-serving ex-pat in Ukraine, having arrived from the UK after doing a PhD from Cambridge University. A Canadian citizen, Evan has worked in the journalistic, academic and financial fields for more than 15 years.
Since Russia’s Gazprom cut the gas supplies to Ukraine on June 16, government has been intensively looking for the energy model which would be based on full independence from Russian blue fuel. Energy experts thinks Ukraine may succeed in this.
Simon Pirani, research fellow at the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies, sees that 32 billion cubic meters of Ukraine’s consumption could be accommodated by domestic production, which stood at 20 billion cubic meters last year. Another 14 billion cubic meters can come through a reverse flow from the European Union, while energy efficiency could contribute by cutting the consumption by as much as 3 billion cubic meters.
Doing the math, this should cover country’s annual needs in natural gas. Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk would be happy to hear this as he gave several orders to the Cabinet to prepare for the heating season without any reliance on Russian supplies.
Today Ukraine consumes three times more gas per unit of gross domestic product than the EU. Moreover, the stake of gas in primary industry in Europe is 20 percent, for Ukraine that number rises to 40 percent.
Ukraine has already reduced gas consumption from 75 billion cubic meters in 2006 to 50 billion in 2013, Pirani added, and this figure should further drop on account of greater energy efficiency and replacement of gas with cheaper coal.
Country was enjoying cheap prices for the Russian gas through the 1990’s and early 2000’s which is seen as a reward for not taking serious steps towards closer integration with the EU. This led to excessive gas consumption.
Misen rusade på börsen efter felaktiga uppgifter
Det lilla svenska företaget Misen Energy hann rusa 32 procent på First North innan handeln stoppades. Allt till följd av medieuppgifter om att Misen i hemlighet skaffat kontrollen över hälften av Ukrainas naturgas.
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Living without Russian gas: Hard, but possible
Print version
June 26, 2014, 1:56 p.m. | Business — by Evan Ostryzniuk
EU commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger (R) and Ukrainian Minister of Energy Yuriy Prodan (L) speak during a press conference following their working session on June 25, 2014 at the EU headquarters in Brussels. The meeting focused on issues related to gas supply and energy security, as well as the next steps to take after the latest round of trilateral negotiations in Kyiv between the EU, Ukraine and Russia.
© AFP
Evan Ostryzniuk
Evan Ostryzniuk is a long-serving ex-pat in Ukraine, having arrived from the UK after doing a PhD from Cambridge University. A Canadian citizen, Evan has worked in the journalistic, academic and financial fields for more than 15 years.
Since Russia’s Gazprom cut the gas supplies to Ukraine on June 16, government has been intensively looking for the energy model which would be based on full independence from Russian blue fuel. Energy experts thinks Ukraine may succeed in this.
Simon Pirani, research fellow at the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies, sees that 32 billion cubic meters of Ukraine’s consumption could be accommodated by domestic production, which stood at 20 billion cubic meters last year. Another 14 billion cubic meters can come through a reverse flow from the European Union, while energy efficiency could contribute by cutting the consumption by as much as 3 billion cubic meters.
Doing the math, this should cover country’s annual needs in natural gas. Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk would be happy to hear this as he gave several orders to the Cabinet to prepare for the heating season without any reliance on Russian supplies.
Today Ukraine consumes three times more gas per unit of gross domestic product than the EU. Moreover, the stake of gas in primary industry in Europe is 20 percent, for Ukraine that number rises to 40 percent.
Ukraine has already reduced gas consumption from 75 billion cubic meters in 2006 to 50 billion in 2013, Pirani added, and this figure should further drop on account of greater energy efficiency and replacement of gas with cheaper coal.
Country was enjoying cheap prices for the Russian gas through the 1990’s and early 2000’s which is seen as a reward for not taking serious steps towards closer integration with the EU. This led to excessive gas consumption.
Vonka
Supreme Leader
Stalin osasi sen homman. Toivottavasti 2000-luvulla omaisia ei pidetä uskollisuuden ja tottelevaisuuden pantteina.
Strelkov noudattaa Moskovan määräyksiä.
Vonka
Supreme Leader
Olemme käsittäneet kaupankäynnin ihan väärin. Kun virolaiset alkoivat himota EU:n rahoittamaa LNG-terminaalia ja kiistellä siitä, he vahingoittivat meitä. Meidän olsi pitänyt heti laittaa kaikki häiriköt katamaraaneihin ja lähettää terrorisoimaan Tallinnaa.
Ai, niin siis on tehtykin vuosikausia. Sori.
Viimeksi muokattu:
Kyllä tuo sopii Putinin ajatuksiin eli "vain petoksella ja kaupankäynnillä" saadaan tuloksia. Poroshenko sai pienen taktisen voiton aloittamalla yksipuolisen tulitauon johon
Putinin piti vastata jottei tullut propagandatappiota. Sen seurauksena myös Venäjän Ukrainaan hyökkäyslupa peruttiin. Käytännössähän tuolla ei ole juuri mitään merkitystä,
koska virallisesti Venäjä ei tähänkään asti ole ollut osallisena kriisiin (epävirallisesti sitäkin enemmän). Yhden taistelun voitolla ei sotaa kuitenkaan voiteta (jos ei hävitäkään).
Se että edelleen kahinoidaan kertoo siitä että yhteisymmärrykseen ei ole vielä päästy Ukrainan tulevaisuudesta, esim. EU-assosiaatiosopimus ja federaatiomalli jota Putin haluaa.
Poroshenko on puun ja kuoren välissä: Venäjä haluaa alistetun Ukrainan, EU tarvitsee stabiilisuutta mihin hintaan tahansa ja Maidanilaiset haluavat tuloksia.
Vonka
Supreme Leader
Täsmällisesti tiivistetty!