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As the Russian invasion of Ukraine enters its second week, U.S. and European intelligence officials say that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears isolated and reliant on a small coterie of advisers who have not told him the truth about how difficult and costly conquering Ukraine is turning out to be.
In Putin, analysts see a leader on edge, fueled by paranoia after underestimating the unified resolve of the West, and at risk of lashing out when he feels cornered. Those concerns have led some policymakers to repeatedly note that NATO will not intervene in the war lest there be any doubt in Putin’s mind.
Putin’s military campaign, which has killed civilians, as well as his order to place Russian nuclear forces on a higher level of alert, has prompted fresh requests from U.S. policymakers in recent days to the intelligence agencies for insights on his thinking, according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
Understanding what’s in a leader’s head is one of the most difficult tasks intelligence analysts face. But in Putin’s case, it’s crucial for decision-makers to understand how he might act so they can calibrate their responses and to try to find some way to end the war in Ukraine.
Intelligence agencies routinely conduct analyses of world leaders, and it’s customary for those profiles to be updated and reexamined during a crisis. Now analysts are scrutinizing Putin’s every utterance and movement for indications about his mental state, his temperament and his plans and intentions.
“We ask a lot of our intelligence colleagues these days [about] Putin’s mind-set,” said a U.S. administration official, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions. “We understand that he has been isolated during covid and is surrounded by ‘yes men.’ Everyone is looking for fissures when it comes to his grip on power, but we’re not seeing any significant cracks.
Before the invasion, U.S. and British intelligence analysts had warned that Putin was being misinformed by his advisers, who gave him an overly rosy picture of how easily the invasion was likely to go. Those concerns have been heightened now as the Russian military prepares for what may be a long and bloody battle for the capital city, Kyiv.
“Their circles tend to be insular,” a second administration official said of autocratic regimes like Russia’s.
“We’ve all seen the images of Putin and the physical distance between him and those around him,” the official said, remarking on photos of Putin sitting several feet from his advisers at a long table. “In some ways that could be a metaphor of what’s taking place.'
The West’s uncertainty about Putin’s access to credible information is particularly concerning, said U.S. and European officials, who worry how he might interpret comments in the Western media about the European Union sending fighter jets to Ukraine or enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
U.S. and European leaders are unlikely to approve such measures, but talk of them may already be factored into Russia’s next steps, officials fear.
“We need to manage the escalatory risk,” said one European official. “Putin is not doing well. He’s shouting at staff. His war is behind schedule. This is a dangerous time for Putin.”
“If the Russians hear that Western leaders are thinking of a no-fly zone, his mind goes back to Libya in 2011, where NATO intervenes, and months later [Moammar] Gaddafi is pulled out of a hole and killed,” the official said.
In 2011, NATO intervened in the civil conflict in Libya, implementing a no-fly zone designed to close off Libya’s airspace to all flights except humanitarian deliveries. The fighting resulted in the ouster of Gaddafi, the country’s leader, who was killed by rebels after fleeing his palace.
Putin’s war on Ukraine is drawing battle lines within Russia
Some leaders have already taken steps to try to avoid triggering a disproportionate response from Russia by ruling out unlikely policies, such as a no-fly zone.
“We have no intention of entering Ukraine by land or air,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Monday, noting his responsibility to make sure the conflict “did not spiral out of control, escalate or turn into a full-scale war in Europe with NATO allies.”
White House press secretary Jen Psaki also said there were reasons a no-fly zone, which would involve U.S. planes patrolling the skies and potentially shooting down Russian aircraft, was “not a good idea.”
Some European intelligence officials also expressed concerns that the harder Putin is pushed on sanctions, the more he may be compelled to “set an example” by striking at more civilian targets in Ukraine.
Understanding Putin is made more challenging by the intelligence community’s lack of human sources with close access to the Russian leader.
In 2016, Russians spying for the United States were able to demonstrate that Putin had personally instructed his intelligence services to interfere in the U.S. presidential election. Sources with that level of detail about Putin’s decision-making are no longer in Russia, according to current and former officials familiar with the situation.
Intelligence analysts aren’t entirely without human insights. An FBI report compiled in recent days cites a source who has spoken to another person who claims to know that Putin is extremely angry about the sanctions, which he felt were a disproportionate response to his invasion, according to a person familiar with the report.
Analysts are now reexamining earlier reports from that source to determine whether the source truly has close enough access to Putin to know how he’s responding and what he might be saying, the person said. The report also cautioned that the source could be providing the information to influence the U.S. government to ease up on sanctions, by portraying Putin as furious and aggrieved, the person added.
The FBI intelligence document was first reported by CNN.
The FBI declined to comment.
Biden lets European leaders take center stage on Ukraine
Analysts are also paying close attention to what Putin says publicly. His televised address before the invasion, in which he asserted that Ukraine wasn’t a sovereign country, was a catalogue of long-standing grievances against Ukraine and the West, filled with historical inaccuracies and falsehoods. But, analysts said, it was also a clear indication of Putin’s resolve that Ukraine effectively belongs to Russia and should never be admitted to NATO.
“We underestimate Putin’s words at our own peril,” a U.S. official familiar with Russia said. “And I think he has been extraordinarily consistent in what he said about what he wanted and what he wants.”
To that end, Putin’s order to put his nuclear forces on higher alert should be seen as a serious indication of how committed he is to extract guarantees about Ukraine’s future and NATO, the official said, adding that he could imagine Putin detonating a nuclear weapon in the atmosphere over an unpopulated areas as a warning to the West.
“He believes that we do not take him seriously. He thinks that we have always seen him as weak, and that ultimately he will back down,” the official said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/01/ukraine-cia-putin-analysis/
As the Russian invasion of Ukraine enters its second week, U.S. and European intelligence officials say that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears isolated and reliant on a small coterie of advisers who have not told him the truth about how difficult and costly conquering Ukraine is turning out to be.
In Putin, analysts see a leader on edge, fueled by paranoia after underestimating the unified resolve of the West, and at risk of lashing out when he feels cornered. Those concerns have led some policymakers to repeatedly note that NATO will not intervene in the war lest there be any doubt in Putin’s mind.
Putin’s military campaign, which has killed civilians, as well as his order to place Russian nuclear forces on a higher level of alert, has prompted fresh requests from U.S. policymakers in recent days to the intelligence agencies for insights on his thinking, according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
Understanding what’s in a leader’s head is one of the most difficult tasks intelligence analysts face. But in Putin’s case, it’s crucial for decision-makers to understand how he might act so they can calibrate their responses and to try to find some way to end the war in Ukraine.
Intelligence agencies routinely conduct analyses of world leaders, and it’s customary for those profiles to be updated and reexamined during a crisis. Now analysts are scrutinizing Putin’s every utterance and movement for indications about his mental state, his temperament and his plans and intentions.
“We ask a lot of our intelligence colleagues these days [about] Putin’s mind-set,” said a U.S. administration official, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions. “We understand that he has been isolated during covid and is surrounded by ‘yes men.’ Everyone is looking for fissures when it comes to his grip on power, but we’re not seeing any significant cracks.
Before the invasion, U.S. and British intelligence analysts had warned that Putin was being misinformed by his advisers, who gave him an overly rosy picture of how easily the invasion was likely to go. Those concerns have been heightened now as the Russian military prepares for what may be a long and bloody battle for the capital city, Kyiv.
“Their circles tend to be insular,” a second administration official said of autocratic regimes like Russia’s.
“We’ve all seen the images of Putin and the physical distance between him and those around him,” the official said, remarking on photos of Putin sitting several feet from his advisers at a long table. “In some ways that could be a metaphor of what’s taking place.'
The West’s uncertainty about Putin’s access to credible information is particularly concerning, said U.S. and European officials, who worry how he might interpret comments in the Western media about the European Union sending fighter jets to Ukraine or enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
U.S. and European leaders are unlikely to approve such measures, but talk of them may already be factored into Russia’s next steps, officials fear.
“We need to manage the escalatory risk,” said one European official. “Putin is not doing well. He’s shouting at staff. His war is behind schedule. This is a dangerous time for Putin.”
“If the Russians hear that Western leaders are thinking of a no-fly zone, his mind goes back to Libya in 2011, where NATO intervenes, and months later [Moammar] Gaddafi is pulled out of a hole and killed,” the official said.
In 2011, NATO intervened in the civil conflict in Libya, implementing a no-fly zone designed to close off Libya’s airspace to all flights except humanitarian deliveries. The fighting resulted in the ouster of Gaddafi, the country’s leader, who was killed by rebels after fleeing his palace.
Putin’s war on Ukraine is drawing battle lines within Russia
Some leaders have already taken steps to try to avoid triggering a disproportionate response from Russia by ruling out unlikely policies, such as a no-fly zone.
“We have no intention of entering Ukraine by land or air,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said Monday, noting his responsibility to make sure the conflict “did not spiral out of control, escalate or turn into a full-scale war in Europe with NATO allies.”
White House press secretary Jen Psaki also said there were reasons a no-fly zone, which would involve U.S. planes patrolling the skies and potentially shooting down Russian aircraft, was “not a good idea.”
Some European intelligence officials also expressed concerns that the harder Putin is pushed on sanctions, the more he may be compelled to “set an example” by striking at more civilian targets in Ukraine.
Understanding Putin is made more challenging by the intelligence community’s lack of human sources with close access to the Russian leader.
In 2016, Russians spying for the United States were able to demonstrate that Putin had personally instructed his intelligence services to interfere in the U.S. presidential election. Sources with that level of detail about Putin’s decision-making are no longer in Russia, according to current and former officials familiar with the situation.
Intelligence analysts aren’t entirely without human insights. An FBI report compiled in recent days cites a source who has spoken to another person who claims to know that Putin is extremely angry about the sanctions, which he felt were a disproportionate response to his invasion, according to a person familiar with the report.
Analysts are now reexamining earlier reports from that source to determine whether the source truly has close enough access to Putin to know how he’s responding and what he might be saying, the person said. The report also cautioned that the source could be providing the information to influence the U.S. government to ease up on sanctions, by portraying Putin as furious and aggrieved, the person added.
The FBI intelligence document was first reported by CNN.
The FBI declined to comment.
Biden lets European leaders take center stage on Ukraine
Analysts are also paying close attention to what Putin says publicly. His televised address before the invasion, in which he asserted that Ukraine wasn’t a sovereign country, was a catalogue of long-standing grievances against Ukraine and the West, filled with historical inaccuracies and falsehoods. But, analysts said, it was also a clear indication of Putin’s resolve that Ukraine effectively belongs to Russia and should never be admitted to NATO.
“We underestimate Putin’s words at our own peril,” a U.S. official familiar with Russia said. “And I think he has been extraordinarily consistent in what he said about what he wanted and what he wants.”
To that end, Putin’s order to put his nuclear forces on higher alert should be seen as a serious indication of how committed he is to extract guarantees about Ukraine’s future and NATO, the official said, adding that he could imagine Putin detonating a nuclear weapon in the atmosphere over an unpopulated areas as a warning to the West.
“He believes that we do not take him seriously. He thinks that we have always seen him as weak, and that ultimately he will back down,” the official said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/01/ukraine-cia-putin-analysis/
Bwana
Kenraali
Sitäpaitsi niiden treenaamista Kainuun taivaalla on mukava katsella hiihdellessä.
Eiköhän kaikki puolustusvoimien asiantuntijat ole samaa mieltä. Koko maanpuolustuksen idea on aiheuttaa sellaiset tuhot, että hyökkäys ei kannata. Ja kyllä me pystyisimme sen kalliin hinnan aiheuttamaan, mutta 1vs1 sodassa Venäjä voittaisi, kuten voitti viime kerrallakin. Pidetään ne realiteetit kunnossa eikä uhota.Muista maksaa verotJoku on tän mielipiteen maksanut ihan varmasti.
Edelleen kaikkien suomalaisten asiantuntijoiden kommentit viittaa siihen, että Ukraina tulee sodan häviämään ajan kanssa. Täällä on monilla realiteetit aivan sekaisin kun ollaan viikko selvitty. Tää sota voi kestää vaikka vuoden.
hyvis
Eversti
Totanoin, oisko se Turkki kuiteskin Naton ytimillä suojattu? Edit: Eli paradoksaalisesti NATO ei voi suoraan puuttua, tai ylittää tiettyjä rajoja. Suomi voisi, mutta ottaisi samalla melkoisen riskin retaliaation osalta.
Viimeksi muokattu:
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Turkki on alueellinen sotilasmahti ja NATO-jäsen jolla on 5 artikla ja ydinase sateenvarjo suojanaan. Ei varmaan ihan täysin reilu vertailu. En tosin kyllä sinulta kovin kummoista ajattelutoimintaa ole enää vuosiin odottanut.
tulikomento
Supreme Leader
Lapsille luvassa oikein heille räätälöity aivopesukampanja.
Ohjus-tiedustelija
Ylipäällikkö
Se on ihan normi jalkautumisreitti jalkamiehille vaunusta ulos, siellähän näyttää olevan kyydissä myös kenties aijemmin irronnut yksi telapyörä. Sen irtoamiseen ei toki meno katkea. Oikeaan ylä takanurkkaan tullut singosta osuma, vaikuttaisi että jollain todella ohuella tulokulmalla, palanen ehkä lohjennut pois, muttei välttämättä varsinaista ontelosuihkun läpäisyä
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yle.fi
fulcrum
Greatest Leader
Aika monta niitä silti saisi olla jos 100 ajoneuvoa tuhotaan...onhan siellä joku isku voitu tehdä, ei sen puoleen.
Kieltämättä osa sota'tiedotuksesta' on "Mannerheim laskeutui ilmalaivalla 5000 miehen kanssa" -tasoa.
rty19
Greatest Leader
Kauankohan meinaavat näitä oman väestön aivopesujuttuja jatkaa?
Tänään jostain näin pätkän Venäjän TV:stä jossa sotilaalta kysyttiin että miten teidät on otettu vastaan. Vastaus oli juuri sitä "kukkakimpuin ja onnen kyynelein" tavaraa jota ehkä joskus 2. maailmansodan loppuaikoina joissain maissa nähtiin.
hyvis
Eversti
Noinkohan NATO:n ovi meille aukeaa? Siis niin kauan, kuin politiikassa mitenkään mukana hääräävät Halonen, Tuomioja ja muutamat muut StaSi... Eiku ei sittenkään mitään!
''Voiko länsi toimia enään jatkossa putinin venäjän kanssa''?
No, ainoa keino jolla lähtee pakotteet on, et putin lähtee vaihtoon. Aika voimakas ase länneltäkin löytyy. Joku olikarkki nyt siihen. Sitä mukaan ku venäjä oppii olemaan lievenee pakotteet. Ei tämä tämän kummempaa ole.
EI kiinaakaan kiinnosta kuka johtaa maata. Ne sopimukset kiinnostaa. Ja ne tehdään valtion kanssa.
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Samaa mieltä. Täällä mopo karkaa käsistä kuin Halla-Aholla Twitterissä. Ukraina häviää sodan Venäjälle jos Venäjä pystyy sitä jatkamaan ilman sisäistä luhistumista. Se on pomminvarma. Suomi on jo hävinnyt Venäjälle kahdesti, eka kerralla ei ollut liittolaista ja toisella olosuhteiden pakosta oli paska liittolainen. Otetaan opiksi.
vilval
Eversti
Ketä tämä sota ei vituttaisi?
Saas nähdä mitä todellisuutta saadaan historian kirjoihin.
Täysin mahdollista koska kyseessä Venäjä.
Suomi ja Ruotsi pitivät taisteleharjoituksen Itämerellä josta ei oltu kerrottu ennakkoon, valmiutta on nostettu.