Ukrainan konflikti/sota
IT-nörtti
Luutnantti
Ai hurja, mikä sakko.Sotasensuuri on tiukentunut sodan edetessä. Länsimaissa näytettäviä uutisia ei haluta näkösälle Venäjälle.
esim
Russia fines Apple for not deleting 'inaccurate' content on Ukraine conflict
A Moscow court fined Apple 400,000 roubles ($4,274) on Thursday for not deleting "inaccurate" content about what Russia calls a "special military operation" in Ukraine on apps and podcasts, Russian news agencies reported.www.reuters.com
Summan voi suhteuttaa siihen, että Apple teki Q3:lla puhdasta liikevoittoa n. $ 2 560 joka sekunti. Omppulan pelkkä Q3:n, siis kolmen kuukauden liikevaihto, oli lähes $82 miljardia, eli n. 80% venäjän vuotuisesta puolustusbudjetista.
Saa korjata, jos olen ymmärtänyt nuo taloustermit väärin.
Antares
Respected Leader
En muista, onko näiden toimittamisesta ollut tietoa aikaisemmin? Ehkä spekulointia vain?
After months of waiting we can finally talk about the UK delivering AIM-132 ASRAAM missileson SupaCat trucks to Ukraine.
The missiles have been used to shoot down russian cruise missiles and attack helicopters.
-
Lähde tuolle ylle lainatulle:
Very, very interesting article about Ukraine's air defense.
Contains a lot of stuff I assumed was to be kept secret, but it is good it's public now and we can talk about Ukraine's need for more air defense before winter.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...iot-surface-to-air-missiles-ukraine-dh6x8vcgn
new
Maxim Tucker, Kyiv
Friday August 04 2023, 5.45pm BST, The Times
Share
With a hypersonic missile slung under its belly, a Russian MiG-31K bomber roared into the air from Savasleyka airbase, 180 miles east of Moscow. It was less than 24 hours after suspected Ukrainian drones had struck at the Kremlin, and the pilot had orders to exact revenge.
The jet dropped its load as it raced towards the Ukrainian border. A short fall, blaze of flame and trail of smoke later, the Kinzhal, or Dagger, was arching towards the atmosphere in the direction of Kyiv. Ukrainian air defence command had only minutes to stop the Mach 10 ballistic missile from striking the seat of President Zelensky’s government.
“We have an air situation tablet and when there is an inbound ballistic missile, a computer immediately registers it and draws a zone where it is supposed to hit,” a lieutenant colonel in the capital’s air defence command said in his first interview with international media. The Times has agreed not to publish his name to protect his relatives in occupied territory.
A Supacat truck armed to fire Asraams
“It calculates its target based on its trajectory. The system drew the centre of the circle exactly over the Maidan — they were targeting the government district precisely.”
President Putin described the weapon as “unstoppable”, yet it had never encountered American Patriot surface-to-air missiles, gifted to the Ukrainians just weeks before the May 4 attack. The Patriot battery’s automated systems engaged the $10 million weapon with their own missiles and within seconds the instrument of Putin’s wrath was reduced to shrapnel.
Ukraine now has more than two Patriot batteries which have revolutionised its air defences and breathed new life into the embattled capital, defeating a series of attacks designed to wipe them out with no losses. Ukraine has even been able to dispatch a roving battery north to the border, where it surprised the Kremlin by shooting down five aircraft over Russian airspace in a single day, then south to support the counteroffensive.
“Around Kyiv we now have the most powerful air defence system in the world. And in fact throughout history,” the colonel said, claiming 215 Russian missile and drone intercepts over Kyiv in May and June alone. “It’s Patriots, it’s Nasams, it’s German Iris, S-300, it’s French Crotale. The Russians have realised that banging your head into the wall where it’s thickest is pointless.”
A skyscraper was damaged in a suspected Ukrainian drone attack in Moscow on July 30
AP
British ingenuity is also playing a role in the city’s defences, the colonel revealed. The Ministry of Defence has supplied a handful of Supacat trucks rigged by British engineers to fire advanced short-range air-to-air missiles (Asraam). They are deployed primarily to intercept swarms of Russia’s Iranian-supplied Shahed suicide drones, but some of the systems are also supporting Ukraine’s counteroffensive.
The high-mobility vehicles can enter an area where Russian attack helicopters are operating, shoot and move away. Unlike other systems like Starstreak, the Asraam do not require a line of sight and can lock onto targets themselves if fired into their vicinity.
Despite the array of advanced weaponry in Ukraine’s arsenal, the colonel warned that Kyiv would again be vulnerable this winter unless western partners drastically increased weapons production and urgently sent older, mothballed systems to Ukraine.
“You can’t plan a war with an annual production of 150-160 Patriot missiles. We fired those in a month,” he said, sounding the alarm that his men were running out of ammunition. “If we wait until autumn, until mid-October, they will hit the energy infrastructure again. This is a certainty. This winter will be even more difficult than the previous one.”
He disclosed that in December Ukrainian authorities had been on the brink of ordering the complete evacuation of Kyiv due to the intensity of Russian airstrikes. “Not many people know this, but Kyiv was on the verge of evacuation,” he said. “There was one battle that, in my opinion, determined the fate of Kyiv and the Russian campaign to destroy our energy sector, when 49 cruise missiles were launched at Kyiv.”
In a desperate 15 minutes on December 16, Ukraine fired dozens of missiles from its Soviet-era S-300, American Nasams and German Iris-T systems to save the city from total blackout in freezing temperatures.
“If we had allowed this strike to succeed, Kyiv would have had to be evacuated. And it is very difficult to evacuate two and a half million people,” the colonel said.
Without more missiles, his forces would be unable to protect those millions of people from sub-zero temperatures this winter, he argued, unleashing a new wave of Ukrainian refugees westwards toward the UK and the EU.
Ukraine fears Russia will once again strike energy infrastructure in Kyiv
GETTY IMAGES
The colonel accused some countries in the West of failing to grasp the nature of Putin’s threat to Europe and the response required. He said he had been told by western officials his air defence requirements were “too expensive”.
“The Baltic states are the people who really understand. They give everything they can give, because they realise that if we don’t endure, then they will definitely not endure. You fight, we give, that’s it. The Poles are very good. The Scandinavian countries helped a lot, which is not publicised. The Finns, the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Danes, the British, but the rest of the world is very hard. I had an experience with the French, when they didn’t understand, they said ‘Why don’t you surrender?’ They asked that directly, ‘why don’t you give up?’ ”
The shortage of missile supplies is also threatening to derail Ukraine’s counteroffensive, he added, saying the army had run out of munitions needed to dislodge the Russians at the end of May, forcing troops to “storm fortified points head-on”.
The colonel accused politicians of counting coins over lives and considering only the value of weapons provided rather than weighing it against the cost of storing, maintaining or destroying weapons approaching obsoletion.
“We received Nasams rockets produced in 1994. In 2024, they will reach their service life limit. The disposal of an Amraam AIM-120B missile is $26,000 to $28,000. It’s easier to launch it, give it to us. Give us these missiles, we will use them,” he said.
“I talk to the military, the Americans, the British. They understand us, they themselves can’t understand why they gave us 400 M113 APCs when they have 6,000 idling. It doesn’t cost anything. It’s already just standing there. It’s going to be scrapped. It has to be maintained or decommissioned.”
The Americans have 1,100 Patriot launchers, with 40 older PAC-2 batteries in permanent storage that could completely protect Ukraine from Russian missiles, he said.
“They’ve already been paid for by the grandmothers of current US citizens. You either have them sitting around rotting away or you give them to us, we’ll use them somehow,” he added.
The Russians have adapted their tactics to avoid Patriot batteries, he said, focusing on striking cities far from the capital, such as Odesa, which are not yet covered. They are also upgrading old missiles with advanced technology and radar-absorbent skins. In recent weeks Moscow’s focus has been trying to take out the Ukrainian airfields from where British Storm Shadow missiles are launched, hitting command and logistical centres deep inside occupied territory.
“The strikes on airfields are a tribute to Storm Shadow. Thank you very much, UK, because they really proved to be very effective. With Storm Shadow, you launch a trap missile and an anti-radar missile. All at the same time in the same direction. So the Russians, if they try to intercept Storm Shadow, get an anti-radiation missile hit on their radar. Plus traps. Very, very effective stuff.”
The colonel said that Storm Shadows actually had double their published range, some 500km rather than 250km, demonstrating there was no reason for the US to continue holding out on providing Atacms missiles with a similar range, but which can be fired by Himars ground systems already in service with the Ukrainian military.
“There’s a question for American politicians — Atacms. Why don’t you give them to us? Tell me, why not, why not? We already have a thing here that can get further than Atacms,” he said. “Yes, there’s a huge price to fighting Russia, a country with a military budget greater than our state budget. We’re willing to pay for it — with our lives. If anyone thinks money is more important than our lives, please say so. Don’t make promises and then give us the bare minimum. Say it now and we won’t count on you.”
After months of waiting we can finally talk about the UK delivering AIM-132 ASRAAM missileson SupaCat trucks to Ukraine.
The missiles have been used to shoot down russian cruise missiles and attack helicopters.
-
Lähde tuolle ylle lainatulle:
Very, very interesting article about Ukraine's air defense.
Contains a lot of stuff I assumed was to be kept secret, but it is good it's public now and we can talk about Ukraine's need for more air defense before winter.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...iot-surface-to-air-missiles-ukraine-dh6x8vcgn
How US Patriot defences are reducing ‘unstoppable’ Russian missiles to shrapnel
new
Kyiv and Zelensky HQ were on the brink of evacuation due to airstrikes in December
Maxim Tucker, Kyiv
Friday August 04 2023, 5.45pm BST, The Times
Share
With a hypersonic missile slung under its belly, a Russian MiG-31K bomber roared into the air from Savasleyka airbase, 180 miles east of Moscow. It was less than 24 hours after suspected Ukrainian drones had struck at the Kremlin, and the pilot had orders to exact revenge.
The jet dropped its load as it raced towards the Ukrainian border. A short fall, blaze of flame and trail of smoke later, the Kinzhal, or Dagger, was arching towards the atmosphere in the direction of Kyiv. Ukrainian air defence command had only minutes to stop the Mach 10 ballistic missile from striking the seat of President Zelensky’s government.
“We have an air situation tablet and when there is an inbound ballistic missile, a computer immediately registers it and draws a zone where it is supposed to hit,” a lieutenant colonel in the capital’s air defence command said in his first interview with international media. The Times has agreed not to publish his name to protect his relatives in occupied territory.
A Supacat truck armed to fire Asraams
“It calculates its target based on its trajectory. The system drew the centre of the circle exactly over the Maidan — they were targeting the government district precisely.”
President Putin described the weapon as “unstoppable”, yet it had never encountered American Patriot surface-to-air missiles, gifted to the Ukrainians just weeks before the May 4 attack. The Patriot battery’s automated systems engaged the $10 million weapon with their own missiles and within seconds the instrument of Putin’s wrath was reduced to shrapnel.
Ukraine now has more than two Patriot batteries which have revolutionised its air defences and breathed new life into the embattled capital, defeating a series of attacks designed to wipe them out with no losses. Ukraine has even been able to dispatch a roving battery north to the border, where it surprised the Kremlin by shooting down five aircraft over Russian airspace in a single day, then south to support the counteroffensive.
“Around Kyiv we now have the most powerful air defence system in the world. And in fact throughout history,” the colonel said, claiming 215 Russian missile and drone intercepts over Kyiv in May and June alone. “It’s Patriots, it’s Nasams, it’s German Iris, S-300, it’s French Crotale. The Russians have realised that banging your head into the wall where it’s thickest is pointless.”
A skyscraper was damaged in a suspected Ukrainian drone attack in Moscow on July 30
AP
British ingenuity is also playing a role in the city’s defences, the colonel revealed. The Ministry of Defence has supplied a handful of Supacat trucks rigged by British engineers to fire advanced short-range air-to-air missiles (Asraam). They are deployed primarily to intercept swarms of Russia’s Iranian-supplied Shahed suicide drones, but some of the systems are also supporting Ukraine’s counteroffensive.
The high-mobility vehicles can enter an area where Russian attack helicopters are operating, shoot and move away. Unlike other systems like Starstreak, the Asraam do not require a line of sight and can lock onto targets themselves if fired into their vicinity.
Despite the array of advanced weaponry in Ukraine’s arsenal, the colonel warned that Kyiv would again be vulnerable this winter unless western partners drastically increased weapons production and urgently sent older, mothballed systems to Ukraine.
“You can’t plan a war with an annual production of 150-160 Patriot missiles. We fired those in a month,” he said, sounding the alarm that his men were running out of ammunition. “If we wait until autumn, until mid-October, they will hit the energy infrastructure again. This is a certainty. This winter will be even more difficult than the previous one.”
He disclosed that in December Ukrainian authorities had been on the brink of ordering the complete evacuation of Kyiv due to the intensity of Russian airstrikes. “Not many people know this, but Kyiv was on the verge of evacuation,” he said. “There was one battle that, in my opinion, determined the fate of Kyiv and the Russian campaign to destroy our energy sector, when 49 cruise missiles were launched at Kyiv.”
In a desperate 15 minutes on December 16, Ukraine fired dozens of missiles from its Soviet-era S-300, American Nasams and German Iris-T systems to save the city from total blackout in freezing temperatures.
“If we had allowed this strike to succeed, Kyiv would have had to be evacuated. And it is very difficult to evacuate two and a half million people,” the colonel said.
Without more missiles, his forces would be unable to protect those millions of people from sub-zero temperatures this winter, he argued, unleashing a new wave of Ukrainian refugees westwards toward the UK and the EU.
Ukraine fears Russia will once again strike energy infrastructure in Kyiv
GETTY IMAGES
The colonel accused some countries in the West of failing to grasp the nature of Putin’s threat to Europe and the response required. He said he had been told by western officials his air defence requirements were “too expensive”.
“The Baltic states are the people who really understand. They give everything they can give, because they realise that if we don’t endure, then they will definitely not endure. You fight, we give, that’s it. The Poles are very good. The Scandinavian countries helped a lot, which is not publicised. The Finns, the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Danes, the British, but the rest of the world is very hard. I had an experience with the French, when they didn’t understand, they said ‘Why don’t you surrender?’ They asked that directly, ‘why don’t you give up?’ ”
The shortage of missile supplies is also threatening to derail Ukraine’s counteroffensive, he added, saying the army had run out of munitions needed to dislodge the Russians at the end of May, forcing troops to “storm fortified points head-on”.
The colonel accused politicians of counting coins over lives and considering only the value of weapons provided rather than weighing it against the cost of storing, maintaining or destroying weapons approaching obsoletion.
“We received Nasams rockets produced in 1994. In 2024, they will reach their service life limit. The disposal of an Amraam AIM-120B missile is $26,000 to $28,000. It’s easier to launch it, give it to us. Give us these missiles, we will use them,” he said.
“I talk to the military, the Americans, the British. They understand us, they themselves can’t understand why they gave us 400 M113 APCs when they have 6,000 idling. It doesn’t cost anything. It’s already just standing there. It’s going to be scrapped. It has to be maintained or decommissioned.”
The Americans have 1,100 Patriot launchers, with 40 older PAC-2 batteries in permanent storage that could completely protect Ukraine from Russian missiles, he said.
“They’ve already been paid for by the grandmothers of current US citizens. You either have them sitting around rotting away or you give them to us, we’ll use them somehow,” he added.
The Russians have adapted their tactics to avoid Patriot batteries, he said, focusing on striking cities far from the capital, such as Odesa, which are not yet covered. They are also upgrading old missiles with advanced technology and radar-absorbent skins. In recent weeks Moscow’s focus has been trying to take out the Ukrainian airfields from where British Storm Shadow missiles are launched, hitting command and logistical centres deep inside occupied territory.
“The strikes on airfields are a tribute to Storm Shadow. Thank you very much, UK, because they really proved to be very effective. With Storm Shadow, you launch a trap missile and an anti-radar missile. All at the same time in the same direction. So the Russians, if they try to intercept Storm Shadow, get an anti-radiation missile hit on their radar. Plus traps. Very, very effective stuff.”
The colonel said that Storm Shadows actually had double their published range, some 500km rather than 250km, demonstrating there was no reason for the US to continue holding out on providing Atacms missiles with a similar range, but which can be fired by Himars ground systems already in service with the Ukrainian military.
“There’s a question for American politicians — Atacms. Why don’t you give them to us? Tell me, why not, why not? We already have a thing here that can get further than Atacms,” he said. “Yes, there’s a huge price to fighting Russia, a country with a military budget greater than our state budget. We’re willing to pay for it — with our lives. If anyone thinks money is more important than our lives, please say so. Don’t make promises and then give us the bare minimum. Say it now and we won’t count on you.”
Viimeksi muokattu:
J0h1F
Ylipäällikkö
Venäjällähän perinteisesti ilmakuivataan vilja, siellä ei ole niin tarkkaa homeen kanssa. Meillä harjoitettu konekuivaus on muuten myyntivaltti kansainvälisesti, kun sillä saadaan homeetonta viljaa, se käy hyvään hintaan kaupaksi länsieurooppalaisille, jos sadon laatu on hyvä.
Kertausta Mustanmeren tapahtumista
Mielestäni puuttuu yhen maihinnousualuksen vaurioituminen 24.3.2022
Mielestäni puuttuu yhen maihinnousualuksen vaurioituminen 24.3.2022
On 21 March 2022, the large landing ship Caesar Kunikov was hit by tactical operational missile complex "Tochka". The captain of the ship went to Kobzon;
Antares
Respected Leader
Lämpökameralla varustettu drone metsästää T-90M panssarivaunua ja onnistuu tuhoamaan sen ajojahdin päätteeksi. Hyvä esimerkki siitä, miten selvästi vaunu näkyy lämpökamerassa (varsinkin liikkuessaan, kun kuumia pakokaasuja tulee pakoputkesta):
Ukrainian bomber drone chasing & eventually destroying Russian T-90M tank in an impressive footage.
Ukrainian bomber drone chasing & eventually destroying Russian T-90M tank in an impressive footage.
Viimeksi muokattu:
Diplomaattinen voitto Ukrainalle: Kiina osallistuu Saudi-Arabian rauhantapaamiseen, johon Venäjää ei ole kutsuttu
Ylen juttu, poiminta: Ukrainan presidentti Volodymyr Zelenskyi on sanonut toivovansa, että myöhemmin syksyllä järjestettäisiin varsinainen rauhankokous, jota varten Jeddassa voitaisiin sopia rauhanratkaisun periaatteet.
Ylen juttu, poiminta: Ukrainan presidentti Volodymyr Zelenskyi on sanonut toivovansa, että myöhemmin syksyllä järjestettäisiin varsinainen rauhankokous, jota varten Jeddassa voitaisiin sopia rauhanratkaisun periaatteet.
teknohippi
Ylipäällikkö
Ukrainassa alkaa olla aika kattava kattaus näitä IR hakuisia ohjuksia: Iris-T, ASRAAM ja ilmeisesti MICA. Nuo kaikki on suoria kilpaislijoita AIM-9 sarjalle joten menevät varmaan samaan paikkaan ilman muutoksia. Ja tätä sarjaahan on N-liiton kopiokin. ASRAAM antaa kummasti lisää kykyä MIG-29:sille. Taannoinhan oli Ukrainan julkaisema ohjauslaukaisuvideo jossa ohjus oli sumennettu. Tämä viimeisimmän tiedon pohjalta olettaisin nyt että se ohjus oli loppujen lopuksi ASRAAM, ei Iris-T.En muista, onko näiden toimittamisesta ollut tietoa aikaisemmin? Ehkä spekulointia vain?
After months of waiting we can finally talk about the UK delivering AIM-132 ASRAAM missileson SupaCat trucks to Ukraine.
The missiles have been used to shoot down russian cruise missiles and attack helicopters.
Katso liite: 81852
-
Lähde tuolle ylle lainatulle:
Very, very interesting article about Ukraine's air defense.
Contains a lot of stuff I assumed was to be kept secret, but it is good it's public now and we can talk about Ukraine's need for more air defense before winter.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a601271e-32c8-11ee-b04c-88a034803f06?shareToken=ab29343a9eaa35f4f36791c36eb93a88
How US Patriot defences are reducing ‘unstoppable’ Russian missiles to shrapnel
new
Kyiv and Zelensky HQ were on the brink of evacuation due to airstrikes in December
Maxim Tucker, Kyiv
Friday August 04 2023, 5.45pm BST, The Times
Share
With a hypersonic missile slung under its belly, a Russian MiG-31K bomber roared into the air from Savasleyka airbase, 180 miles east of Moscow. It was less than 24 hours after suspected Ukrainian drones had struck at the Kremlin, and the pilot had orders to exact revenge.
The jet dropped its load as it raced towards the Ukrainian border. A short fall, blaze of flame and trail of smoke later, the Kinzhal, or Dagger, was arching towards the atmosphere in the direction of Kyiv. Ukrainian air defence command had only minutes to stop the Mach 10 ballistic missile from striking the seat of President Zelensky’s government.
“We have an air situation tablet and when there is an inbound ballistic missile, a computer immediately registers it and draws a zone where it is supposed to hit,” a lieutenant colonel in the capital’s air defence command said in his first interview with international media. The Times has agreed not to publish his name to protect his relatives in occupied territory.
A Supacat truck armed to fire Asraams
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/topic/vladimir-putin
“It calculates its target based on its trajectory. The system drew the centre of the circle exactly over the Maidan — they were targeting the government district precisely.”
President Putin described the weapon as “unstoppable”, yet it had never encountered American Patriot surface-to-air missiles, gifted to the Ukrainians just weeks before the May 4 attack. The Patriot battery’s automated systems engaged the $10 million weapon with their own missiles and within seconds the instrument of Putin’s wrath was reduced to shrapnel.
Ukraine now has more than two Patriot batteries which have revolutionised its air defences and breathed new life into the embattled capital, defeating a series of attacks designed to wipe them out with no losses. Ukraine has even been able to dispatch a roving battery north to the border, where it surprised the Kremlin by shooting down five aircraft over Russian airspace in a single day, then south to support the counteroffensive.
“Around Kyiv we now have the most powerful air defence system in the world. And in fact throughout history,” the colonel said, claiming 215 Russian missile and drone intercepts over Kyiv in May and June alone. “It’s Patriots, it’s Nasams, it’s German Iris, S-300, it’s French Crotale. The Russians have realised that banging your head into the wall where it’s thickest is pointless.”
A skyscraper was damaged in a suspected Ukrainian drone attack in Moscow on July 30
AP
British ingenuity is also playing a role in the city’s defences, the colonel revealed. The Ministry of Defence has supplied a handful of Supacat trucks rigged by British engineers to fire advanced short-range air-to-air missiles (Asraam). They are deployed primarily to intercept swarms of Russia’s Iranian-supplied Shahed suicide drones, but some of the systems are also supporting Ukraine’s counteroffensive.
The high-mobility vehicles can enter an area where Russian attack helicopters are operating, shoot and move away. Unlike other systems like Starstreak, the Asraam do not require a line of sight and can lock onto targets themselves if fired into their vicinity.
Despite the array of advanced weaponry in Ukraine’s arsenal, the colonel warned that Kyiv would again be vulnerable this winter unless western partners drastically increased weapons production and urgently sent older, mothballed systems to Ukraine.
“You can’t plan a war with an annual production of 150-160 Patriot missiles. We fired those in a month,” he said, sounding the alarm that his men were running out of ammunition. “If we wait until autumn, until mid-October, they will hit the energy infrastructure again. This is a certainty. This winter will be even more difficult than the previous one.”
He disclosed that in December Ukrainian authorities had been on the brink of ordering the complete evacuation of Kyiv due to the intensity of Russian airstrikes. “Not many people know this, but Kyiv was on the verge of evacuation,” he said. “There was one battle that, in my opinion, determined the fate of Kyiv and the Russian campaign to destroy our energy sector, when 49 cruise missiles were launched at Kyiv.”
In a desperate 15 minutes on December 16, Ukraine fired dozens of missiles from its Soviet-era S-300, American Nasams and German Iris-T systems to save the city from total blackout in freezing temperatures.
“If we had allowed this strike to succeed, Kyiv would have had to be evacuated. And it is very difficult to evacuate two and a half million people,” the colonel said.
Without more missiles, his forces would be unable to protect those millions of people from sub-zero temperatures this winter, he argued, unleashing a new wave of Ukrainian refugees westwards toward the UK and the EU.
Ukraine fears Russia will once again strike energy infrastructure in Kyiv
GETTY IMAGES
The colonel accused some countries in the West of failing to grasp the nature of Putin’s threat to Europe and the response required. He said he had been told by western officials his air defence requirements were “too expensive”.
“The Baltic states are the people who really understand. They give everything they can give, because they realise that if we don’t endure, then they will definitely not endure. You fight, we give, that’s it. The Poles are very good. The Scandinavian countries helped a lot, which is not publicised. The Finns, the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Danes, the British, but the rest of the world is very hard. I had an experience with the French, when they didn’t understand, they said ‘Why don’t you surrender?’ They asked that directly, ‘why don’t you give up?’ ”
The shortage of missile supplies is also threatening to derail Ukraine’s counteroffensive, he added, saying the army had run out of munitions needed to dislodge the Russians at the end of May, forcing troops to “storm fortified points head-on”.
The colonel accused politicians of counting coins over lives and considering only the value of weapons provided rather than weighing it against the cost of storing, maintaining or destroying weapons approaching obsoletion.
“We received Nasams rockets produced in 1994. In 2024, they will reach their service life limit. The disposal of an Amraam AIM-120B missile is $26,000 to $28,000. It’s easier to launch it, give it to us. Give us these missiles, we will use them,” he said.
“I talk to the military, the Americans, the British. They understand us, they themselves can’t understand why they gave us 400 M113 APCs when they have 6,000 idling. It doesn’t cost anything. It’s already just standing there. It’s going to be scrapped. It has to be maintained or decommissioned.”
The Americans have 1,100 Patriot launchers, with 40 older PAC-2 batteries in permanent storage that could completely protect Ukraine from Russian missiles, he said.
“They’ve already been paid for by the grandmothers of current US citizens. You either have them sitting around rotting away or you give them to us, we’ll use them somehow,” he added.
The Russians have adapted their tactics to avoid Patriot batteries, he said, focusing on striking cities far from the capital, such as Odesa, which are not yet covered. They are also upgrading old missiles with advanced technology and radar-absorbent skins. In recent weeks Moscow’s focus has been trying to take out the Ukrainian airfields from where British Storm Shadow missiles are launched, hitting command and logistical centres deep inside occupied territory.
“The strikes on airfields are a tribute to Storm Shadow. Thank you very much, UK, because they really proved to be very effective. With Storm Shadow, you launch a trap missile and an anti-radar missile. All at the same time in the same direction. So the Russians, if they try to intercept Storm Shadow, get an anti-radiation missile hit on their radar. Plus traps. Very, very effective stuff.”
The colonel said that Storm Shadows actually had double their published range, some 500km rather than 250km, demonstrating there was no reason for the US to continue holding out on providing Atacms missiles with a similar range, but which can be fired by Himars ground systems already in service with the Ukrainian military.
“There’s a question for American politicians — Atacms. Why don’t you give them to us? Tell me, why not, why not? We already have a thing here that can get further than Atacms,” he said. “Yes, there’s a huge price to fighting Russia, a country with a military budget greater than our state budget. We’re willing to pay for it — with our lives. If anyone thinks money is more important than our lives, please say so. Don’t make promises and then give us the bare minimum. Say it now and we won’t count on you.”
Katso liite: 81853
Puolukan Alla
Kersantti
Sextiettan
Kapteeni
Huono itsetunto nuo porsaat kotiin ajaa. Kun eivät ole siinä porukassa jotka voivat rahalla sitä lännessä nostaa niin tajuavat sentään sen, että ryssissä vertailukohdat on NIIN alhaalla, että pärjäävät siinä vertailussa ihan harasoo...
Viimeksi muokattu:
Tuo jälkimmäinen myöhemmin todettiin, että oli väärä hälytys, meni kuulemma joidenkin kymmenien kilometrien päästä Moldovan puolella, toki voi spekuloida siitä, että onko vaan selittelyä.
Tässä ainakin yksi tapaus jossa venäläisen ohjuksen jäänteet tippui Moldovan puolelle, mielestäni niitä oli enemmänkin
rty19
Greatest Leader
Ai hurja, mikä sakko.
Summan voi suhteuttaa siihen, että Apple teki Q3:lla puhdasta liikevoittoa n. $ 2 560 joka sekunti. Omppulan pelkkä Q3:n, siis kolmen kuukauden liikevaihto, oli lähes $82 miljardia, eli n. 80% venäjän vuotuisesta puolustusbudjetista.
Saa korjata, jos olen ymmärtänyt nuo taloustermit väärin.
Tuskin ensimmäisellä sakolla on tarkoitus pistää ulkomaista jättifirmaa suuriin taloudellisiin vaikeuksiin. Mutta se voi näyttää jotain siitä mitä on luvassa varsinkin oman maan ihmisille ja organisaatioille.
Muitakin tuoreita esimerkkejä sensuurin kiristymisestä olisi voinut laittaa, mutta osa oli maksumuurin takana.
teknohippi
Ylipäällikkö
Näitä eri lukuja yms on pyöritelty. Raaka faktahan on että Ukraina oli suhteellisen köyhä maa sodan alussa. Käytännössä Ukrainan talous on länsimaisen avun varassa joka onkin tehny tehtävänsä, eli Ukraina on kiinni länsimarkkinoissa ja raha on kelvollinen maksuväline. Toistaiseksi Ukrainan talous on kuin tehohoitopotilas: letkujen varassa.
Itse sotiminen vaati resursseja, eli vaikka mies on "ilmainen", niin se pitää ruokkia ja varustaa. Nuo maksaa rahaa kun on talous tai jos on sotatalous niin vaaditaan resurssit.
Väitteelle että kyllä ryssällä musikkaa/torrakoita/romua riittää on osittain pohjaa mutta kun noiden ylläpito vie niitä resursseja. Ne voi maksaa rahalla tai sitten ottaa valtio-ohjausella väkisin. Tyhjästä ne ei tule, eikä tule ruoka eikä ammuksetkaan. Raha on erittäin hyvä mittari sotimiselle ja ei ne tosiasita miksikään muutu rahaa painamalla tai sotatalouteen siirtymällä. Kahdella jälkimmäisellä saadaan siirrettyä vääjämätöntä eteenpäin. Valuuttansa paskominen vie mahdollisuuden ulkomaisten resurssien ostoon ja sotatalous kääntää kaiken tuotannon sotavarusteisiin. Lopputulos on että lopulta loppuu se ruokakin kun ei ole puimuria tai traktoria.
Tehokas tuottava teollistunut yhteiskunta on resurssien osalta ihan toisella tasolla kuin köyhä kaalinviljelijä takahikiä tuossa naapurissa. Mosinaganttia ja hevosvankkureita kohti siellä mennään kovaa vauhtia kun ne teolliset resurssit ei vain riitä. Jo nyt on nähtävissä että ryssän high-tek osasto rakoileaa, dronet pääsee perille niin laivojen kylkiin kuin Moskovan pilvenpiirtäjiin. Nykykehityksellä ne TU-95:setkin on kohta F16:sen ulottuvilla kun IT lahoaa nykytahtia ryssältä. Jos ei enää edes pääkaupunkia pystytä suojaamaan tai yhtä tärkeintä merisatamaa niin millä ihmeellä putteli tästä sen voiton muka kaivaa? Enemmän tämä näyttää sille että ryssää tässä kairataan ahteriin ja kohta loppuu se kairattava, ei kaira.
Rauha tulenee sitten kun se ryssän 20-30v miesikäluokka on poltettu loppuun joko kuolleina, vammautuneina tai ulkomaille karanneina.
Pihkakoski
Ylipäällikkö
Ihmismieli taipuu (on taivutettavissa) mitä eriskummallisempien määreiden kautta, "muurahaispesän organismia" muistuttavaksi olioksi, jossa yksilöä ei välttämättä meikäläisestä näkökulmasta, enää ole olemassa. On vain ohjaava sosialistisen nomenklatuurin perintö. Henkilöpalvottuna. Nimellisesti muotoaan muuttaneena. DDR:n laadussa, itse itseään ilmiantavana.
Muka-Latinaksi, Homo sovieticus. Alisteinen elämänmuoto, hallitsevalle ruhtinaalle.
Se vuosisatainen perintö, mikä venäläisessä kansanmielessä on luonnollista, normaalia ja hakeutumiseen pyrittävää. On hyvin vaikeasti pois-opittavissa. Tästä Länsi on jonkinlaista kokemusta saanut, lukuisissa "rauhaan-opettamis-operaatioissaan."
Tämän sodan tulevaisuutta määrittävä merkitys suhteessa Kiina-Venäjä -akseliin. Taatusti on pöydillä, merkittävien valtioiden tuota futuuria luonnostellessa.
Venäjän täytyy hävitä.
Motolifen päivitys 4.8. Bakhmutin tilanteesta (lukee 4. kesäkuuta mutta on 4. elokuuta).
Ryssä on vahvistanut kovasti Bakhmutin joukkoja.
Pohjoisessa Ukraina ei edes yritä edetä vaan pitää nykyisiä asemia ja torjuu ryssän vastahyökkäyksiä.
Etelän puolella on yritystä mutta siellä on valtavat ryssän joukkojen keskitykset.
Tämä on tietenkin yhden miehen mielipide ja ei tietenkään tiedä/kerro isompia suunnitelmia.
Oikeastaan tämä kuvio on juuri Bakhmutin rintaman tarkoitus. Sitoa ja kuluttaa mahdollisimman suuri määrä ryssien joukkoja mahdollisimman pienillä omilla joukoilla. Käsittääkseni on onnistunut oikein hyvin tähän mennessä.
Ryssä on vahvistanut kovasti Bakhmutin joukkoja.
Pohjoisessa Ukraina ei edes yritä edetä vaan pitää nykyisiä asemia ja torjuu ryssän vastahyökkäyksiä.
Etelän puolella on yritystä mutta siellä on valtavat ryssän joukkojen keskitykset.
Tämä on tietenkin yhden miehen mielipide ja ei tietenkään tiedä/kerro isompia suunnitelmia.
Oikeastaan tämä kuvio on juuri Bakhmutin rintaman tarkoitus. Sitoa ja kuluttaa mahdollisimman suuri määrä ryssien joukkoja mahdollisimman pienillä omilla joukoilla. Käsittääkseni on onnistunut oikein hyvin tähän mennessä.