Siis eikö storm shadowin käyttö Krimin siltaan oltu kielletty? Näin muistelen.
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Jokohan sitä taas kävis vapaa ryssäläiset taas ystävällisellä vierailulla.Sumya on pommitettu jatkuvasti terroritarkoituksessa nyt suurhyökkäyksen ajan, oisikin aika antaa takaisin täälläkin suunnalla. Varsin alkuvaiheessa vasta ilmoitukset ollut tästä.
Voisiko molemmat olla oikeassa - tavallaan? Tähän vaiheeseen hyökkäystä olisi merkattu nuo 12 prikaatia, ja loput treenaavat lisää ennen varsinaista isoa puskua?Eroaa aika paljon DefMonin viestistä. Tosin joidenkin lähteiden mukaan niitä hyökkäystä varten muodostettuja prikaateja on huomattavasti enemmän kun se Pentagon vuodossa mainittu 12.
Toisaalta sillan rikkominen korjaamattomaksi vapauttaisi sitä suojaavat patterit muualle. Joten ehkä sitä ei kannatakaan katkaista kokonaan, särkeä vain sen verran että huolto joutuu kulkemaan pidempiä reittejä. Mutta ei niin paljon, että ryssä luopuisi kokonaan sillan käyttämisestä ja suojaamisesta iskuja vastaan.Kertchin siltaa tässä vaiheessa ryssä varmaankin suojaa massiivisella it:llä. Mikseiköhän UA tee saturaatioiskua
Halpoja dummy-ohjuksia ja kaikkea mitä lentää samaan operaatioon, ja sekaan useita Storm Shadowta. Vaikka SS-inventaari on pieni, hyöty kymmenellekin puikolle olisi suuri. Muiden seassa joku/nen pääsisi perille.
Toivottavasti tämänpäiväisen iskun tarkoitus oli vain tutkia ryssän it:n kyvykkyyttä tulevan iskun suunnittelemiseksi.
[Käsittääkseni UK on julistanut, että Krim on Ukrainaa. Voi toki olla, että myös UK:lla, Bidenin vaatimuksesta, on SS-käytölle Kertch-ehto ]
Onko täällä tultu vielä lopputulokseen minkä takia Ukraina yrittää vaan toistamiseen tuosta Robotynestä läpi? En sano etteikö siitä voisi päästä mutta tuohan on se kaikkein pahin paikka.
Katsokaa mitä sain, 218 ruplaa.
No ei nyt päivässä, mutta kesäkuun asemista 16km.Voiko pitää paikkansa että 16-19km edetty etelässä?
eikös tuosta ollu uutisia että noin 30 prikaatia ois uusia hyökkäys voimiaVoisiko molemmat olla oikeassa - tavallaan? Tähän vaiheeseen hyökkäystä olisi merkattu nuo 12 prikaatia, ja loput treenaavat lisää ennen varsinaista isoa puskua?
Toisaalta sillan rikkominen korjaamattomaksi vapauttaisi sitä suojaavat patterit muualle. Joten ehkä sitä ei kannatakaan katkaista kokonaan, särkeä vain sen verran että huolto joutuu kulkemaan pidempiä reittejä. Mutta ei niin paljon, että ryssä luopuisi kokonaan sillan käyttämisestä ja suojaamisesta iskuja vastaan.
Kyllä se kun mennään lijasta läpi niin eteniminen voi olla jopa satoja kuhan vaan huolto kestää perässä. oisko käynny tuolla harkovat
Voiko pitää paikkansa että 16-19km edetty etelässä?
Monet ovat kyllä twiitanneet että huomenna kuullaan hyviä uutisia.
Voiko pitää paikkansa että 16-19km edetty etelässä?
Monet ovat kyllä twiitanneet että huomenna kuullaan hyviä uutisia.
Jäitä hattuun, artikkelissa tehdään yhteenvetoa vastahyökkäyksestä eikä puhuta mistään uudesta läpimurrosta: LÄHDE
Ukrainian forces have progressed about 10 to 12 miles along both lines from their starting places at the onset of the counteroffensive in early June. Kyiv’s goal is to reach the Sea of Azov and drive a wedge into the so-called land bridge between Russia and Crimea, which is vital to the Russian military’s supply routes to the west.
Eli kesäkuun 2023 alkupuolella alkaneen vastahyökkäyksen aikana edetty kahden kärjen osalta tällainen matka. Tavoitteena kohteet Azovinmeren rannassa ja "maasillan" katkaisu. Jos artikkelia lukee pidemmälle, siinä sanotaan, että näitä tuoreita menestyksiä on kuvailtu taktisesti merkittäviksi tiettyjen asiantuntijoiden toimesta.
Tässä koko teksti:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war.html
Ukraine Makes ‘Tactically Significant’ Progress in Its Counteroffensive
Troops advanced 10 to 12 miles along two main lines of attack in Kyiv’s drive to reach the southern coast and sever Russian supply lines, while explosions echoed at the vital Kerch Strait Bridge.
Ukrainian soldiers preparing an armored Humvee before heading to the southern front line.Credit...Diego Ibarra Sanchez for The New York Times
By Marc Santora
Reporting from Kyiv, Ukraine
Aug. 12, 2023
After months of inching through minefields, villages and open steppes in grueling combat, Ukrainian forces are making somewhat bigger advances along two major lines of attack, according to analysts, Ukrainian officials and Russian military bloggers.
The amount of territory seized, 10 to 12 miles on both vectors of attack, while relatively small, is important in that it is compelling Moscow to divert forces from other parts of the front line, military analysts say. The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, called the advances “tactically significant,” saying Moscow’s redeployment would most “likely further weaken Russian defensive lines in aggregate,” creating “opportunities for any Ukrainian breakthrough to be potentially decisive.”
The Ukrainian military launched the counteroffensive this summer amid high hopes of duplicating its stunning sweep through the Kharkiv region in September. But those hopes were dashed amid heavy losses, causing commanders to change strategy from head-on assaults to a war of attrition, content to make steady, little gains while conserving resources and degrading those of the Russians.
And even as Ukrainian soldiers battle in trenches and on the field, the campaign to sever Russian supply lines continues, with Ukrainian missiles and drones targeting sites far from the front lines.
Explosions again echoed on Saturday as the Russian military said it had shot down two Ukrainian missiles targeting the Kerch Strait Bridge, a vital Russian link to the occupied Crimean Peninsula that Kyiv has vowed to keep attacking until it is unusable.
Video broadcast on Russian and Ukrainian state news media showed smoke billowing over the span, though the Russians said that was just a smoke screen intended to protect the bridge.
The Russian Ministry of Defense said that the Ukrainian forces attacked the bridge with two S-200 surface-to-air missiles. Sergei Aksyonov, the top Russian-installed official in Crimea, said the bridge was not damaged. The Russian accounts could not be independently verified, and Ukrainian officials did not immediately comment.
Damaged buildings in the town of Huliaipole near the front lines in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region.Credit...Diego Ibarra Sanchez for The New York Times
In the ground war, the Ukrainians are advancing south along two principal lines of attack: through the eastern village of Staromaiorske toward the Russian-occupied city of Berdiansk, a port on the Sea of Azov; and farther west toward the Russian-occupied city of Melitopol, a vital transportation hub near the coast.
Ukrainian forces have progressed about 10 to 12 miles along both lines from their starting places at the onset of the counteroffensive in early June. Kyiv’s goal is to reach the Sea of Azov and drive a wedge into the so-called land bridge between Russia and Crimea, which is vital to the Russian military’s supply routes to the west.
Military analysts caution that the Ukrainian forces still face a long, slow and bloody slog ahead against Russian troops positioned behind well-designed and fortified defenses. They cite a host of factors, like supplies of ammunition and other matériel as well as troop morale, that will determine how the fighting plays out over the coming months. But it is hard to analyze those elements, they say, given the disinformation and limited real information issued by both armies.
Even if Ukraine’s forces manage to break through Russia’s first line of defense, analysts note, Moscow has had many months to prepare the most formidable fortified defensive positions since World War II — a series of trenches, tank traps, vast minefields, machine-gun nests, attack helicopters and other air support. Ukraine has struggled, even with Western weapons, to overcome those obstacles, particularly the minefields.
Still, Britain’s military intelligence agency said on Saturday that Russia’s forces had faced “particularly intense attrition and heavy combat on the front line.”
At the same time, Russian forces are mounting their own offensive operations in northeastern Ukraine around the city of Kupiansk. By forcing Ukraine to defend there, military analysts say, Russia is most likely trying to draw Ukrainian forces from other areas where they are on the offensive.
Members of Ukraine’s 35th Marine Brigade participated in a drill in the Donetsk region in July.Credit...Diego Ibarra Sanchez for The New York Times
Serhiy Cherevaty, a spokesman for Ukrainian forces fighting in the east, said on Saturday that Russian forces were still on the attack around Kupiansk, trying to hit Ukrainian positions eight times and striking “328 times with all types and calibers of artillery” over the past day.
Ukraine is hoping that pressure along the front, along with deep strikes aimed at command posts, ammunition depots and supply lines, will ultimately overcome the Russian defenses. However, those defenses are intended to be elastic, military analysts say, enabling the Russian forces to absorb Ukrainian blows and counterattack when they can.
The British military intelligence analysis noted that as Russia redeploys forces to counter Ukraine’s advances, its defenses farther south in the Kherson region along the Dnipro River are likely to be weakened.
Ukrainian forces, which hold the territory west of the Dnipro River, recently launched an assault on the town of Kozachi Laheri on the Russian-controlled eastern bank, Western analysts said. But it was too soon to tell whether the troops would be able to maintain an enduring presence there. Ukraine’s military has not confirmed the operation.
“The enemy continues to hold a small bridgehead west of Kozachi Laheri,” Rybar, an influential Russian military blogger, reported on Saturday, though he offered no details.
In one of the two main lines of attack, the one aimed at the coastal port of Berdiansk, Ukraine has consolidated gains around the ruined village of Staromaiorske, which it recaptured in late July, and appears to be pushing toward the Russian stronghold of Urozhaine, according to the Ukrainian military and military analysts.
Ukraine has devoted thousands of soldiers, including some of its most experienced and battle-hardened marines, and armor to the campaign drive south down the Mokri Yaly River Valley.
If they can manage to push through or around Urozhaine, that will put them within 50 miles of the two major port cities of Berdiansk and Mariupol on the Sea of Azov. And with each mile they advance, the Ukrainian forces put more pressure on the Russian supply lines.
Hanna Malyar, a Ukrainian deputy defense minister, said on Friday that her country’s forces had achieved “partial successes” in the direction of Urozhaine and south and southeast of Staromaiorske.
A destroyed tank on a street in Kupiansk, where Russian forces are continuing to mount their own offensive operations.Credit...Emile Ducke for The New York Times
The Russian Vostok Battalion, a military outfit fighting in the area, reported on Friday that “artillery from both sides plowed up the neighborhood of Urozhaine so much that some positions were abandoned by us, but the enemy did not dare to claim them either.”
More fighting was reported on Saturday morning by Russian military bloggers as the city remained fiercely contested.
Along the line of attack in the direction of Melitopol, Ukrainian forces reported hard-fought battles but steady progress around the village of Robotyne.
The I.S.W. said of that fight: “The Ukrainian forces’ ability to advance to the outskirts of Robotyne — which Russian forces have dedicated significant effort, time and resources to defend — remains significant even if Ukrainian gains are limited at this time.”
Valerii Shershen, a representative of the Ukrainian forces fighting in the area, said this past week that Russia was calling up reinforcements from its second lines of defense, including marines, paratroopers and special forces, to stop the Ukrainian advance.
While Ukraine is making gains, he said the advance was being slowed because of the dense minefields and large number of obstacles.
Russian aircraft, he said, are constantly strafing Ukrainian lines, hitting them more than a dozen times in a single day this past week.
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Marc Santora has been reporting from Ukraine since the beginning of the war with Russia. He was previously based in London as an international news editor focused on breaking news events and earlier the bureau chief for East and Central Europe, based in Warsaw. He has also reported extensively from Iraq and Africa. More about Marc Santora
A version of this article appears in print on Aug. 13, 2023, Section A, Page 7 of the New York edition with the headline: Kyiv’s Offensive Makes Headway, Forcing Russia to Redeploy Troops.