Ukrainan konflikti/sota
Protoja kummatkin ja ne on vain muutaman vuoden vanhoja. Ei mitään sellaisia jotka olisi käytetty ja testattu tappiin asti. Odota kuitenkin että sieltä tulee ulos seuraava versio.
elektronin sodankäynti on vaikea asia, ei kaikkeen voi varautua. Myös se fakta että ne on käytössä erikoisjoukko tasalla pitäisi viitata siihen että se ei ole kaikkeen pystyvä vaan se vaatii käyttäjältään kykyä. Just nyt on että kaikkiin länsivehkeisiin on koulutusta, ja esim GLMRSn kohdalla vehkeitä ja puikkoja ei tipu ennenkuin loppukäyttäjä (UAF) osoittaa että osaa suorittaa niillä.
Varmaan tarkottaa tosiaan latausta kun noissa HIMARS ja MRLS 270 (?) vehkeissa a-tarvike tulee kasetissa jossa on taysi lataus...
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Tämä Osint aggregator tulee aika hitaasti perässä ja ehkä painottaa ryssälähteitä, on muutaman kerran ollut turhan pessimistinen.
Tämän päivän twitterit vielä lukematta, mutta UA:n tiedote kello 18:00 näyttäisi tyrmäävän tuon Dolyna-huhun.
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The enemy unsuccessfully carried out assault operations in the direction of Dovhenke - Krasnopillya. The enemy tried to improve the tactical situation in the area of the settlement of Dolyna. Ukrainian soldiers repulsed and forced the occupiers to withdraw.
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Enemy units are storming in order to establish full control over the city of Siverodonetsk, the fighting continues. In Toshkivka, our defenders successfully repulsed another enemy assault
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Ukrainian soldiers inflicted losses on the enemy during his offensive in the directions of Vasylivka - Yakovlivka and Vasylivka - Berestove. The occupiers withdrew.
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miten tämä eroaa syyrian menosta esim sergei teknikaalin käytön suhteen?
Eurooppa maksaa jo nyt hintaa siitä, että Ukrainaa on tuettu varoen.
Venäjän menestys on ollut riittävää, jotta Venäjä edelleen varautuu pitkään sotaan. Samaan aikaan Ukraina on tulivoimassa pahasti altavastaaja.
Sota ei lopu sillä, että Ukraina hitaasti vetäytyen puolustaa alueitaan. Ja jos sodasta tulee pitkä, niin Venäjä tekee kaikkensa, että länsimaiden tuki Ukrainalle heikkenisi. Hajaannuksen aiheuttamisessa Venäjä on ollut taitava.
EU-maissa inflaatio kasvaa ja seuraa talouskriisi. Samaan aikaan ensi talvena tulee energiakriisi ja muiden raaka-aineiden hintakriisi.
Samaan aikaan Venäjä siirtyy salakuljetustalouteen ja saa aikaan jonkinlaisen omavaraistalouden jäätävällä energiatuloista seuraavalla ylijäämällä. Ylijäämällä sitten rahoitetaan armeijaa vaikka Kiinalaisilla aseilla.
Paras lopputulos sekä Venäjälle että länsimaille olisi edelleen Venäjän nopea tappio. Se ettei sodalla saavutettu mitään on todennäköisesti nopein reitti pakotteiden purkua kohti ilman, että Venäjän halu vallata lisää naapurimaita räjähtää.
Miehityksen jatkuessa pakotteiden purku vain legitimoi valloitussodan ja kansanmurhan.
En tiedä missä harhaisessa todellisuudessa Saksa elää, mutta passiivinen rooli tulee kyllä Saksallekin pitkässä juoksussa kalliiksi. Kumma kun eivät osaa edes laskea omaa etuaan.
Venäjän menestys on ollut riittävää, jotta Venäjä edelleen varautuu pitkään sotaan. Samaan aikaan Ukraina on tulivoimassa pahasti altavastaaja.
Sota ei lopu sillä, että Ukraina hitaasti vetäytyen puolustaa alueitaan. Ja jos sodasta tulee pitkä, niin Venäjä tekee kaikkensa, että länsimaiden tuki Ukrainalle heikkenisi. Hajaannuksen aiheuttamisessa Venäjä on ollut taitava.
EU-maissa inflaatio kasvaa ja seuraa talouskriisi. Samaan aikaan ensi talvena tulee energiakriisi ja muiden raaka-aineiden hintakriisi.
Samaan aikaan Venäjä siirtyy salakuljetustalouteen ja saa aikaan jonkinlaisen omavaraistalouden jäätävällä energiatuloista seuraavalla ylijäämällä. Ylijäämällä sitten rahoitetaan armeijaa vaikka Kiinalaisilla aseilla.
Paras lopputulos sekä Venäjälle että länsimaille olisi edelleen Venäjän nopea tappio. Se ettei sodalla saavutettu mitään on todennäköisesti nopein reitti pakotteiden purkua kohti ilman, että Venäjän halu vallata lisää naapurimaita räjähtää.
Miehityksen jatkuessa pakotteiden purku vain legitimoi valloitussodan ja kansanmurhan.
En tiedä missä harhaisessa todellisuudessa Saksa elää, mutta passiivinen rooli tulee kyllä Saksallekin pitkässä juoksussa kalliiksi. Kumma kun eivät osaa edes laskea omaa etuaan.
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BBC uutinen lännen aseiden välityksestä. Ovat sitä mieltä, että sota jatkunee vuosia, ei puhuta kuukausista.
Inside the room where Ukraine orders arms from the West
UK service personnel working at the IDCC, Patch Barracks, Stuttgart, Germany
The BBC has been allowed rare access to the military nerve centre where Western powers are coordinating efforts to supply weapons and ammunition to Ukraine.
In the attic of an austere US military barracks in the German city of Stuttgart, dozens of military personnel from 26 nations are working round the clock to deliver weapons to Ukraine.
From this room, Western allies have already helped deliver nearly $8bn (£6.6bn) worth of weapons and ammunition to Ukraine's armed forces. That's 66,000 tonnes - the equivalent of 5,000 London double-decker buses, as one British officer worked out.
Most of what happens at Patch Barracks is highly classified. We are asked to leave all electronic devices behind and we are not allowed to film or talk to the Ukrainians who are part of the International Donors Coordination Cell (IDCC).
Military personnel from dozens of countries bash the phones and pore over computer screens. They include a small team from Ukraine, led by a three-star general. At the start of each day he sets out what his country needs. The situation in the Donbas appears increasingly bleak, but here in Stuttgart there's more a sense of urgency than panic.
US M777 Howitzers have arrived in Ukraine
Around one set of desks a team is tasked with locating supplies. Sometimes they'll find a nation willing to provide weapons, but will then have to track another country for the right ammunition or the means to transport them. They've now developed a database where the Ukrainians can list their priorities. Donor nations can access that information and decide what they're willing and able to supply.
Brig Chris King, the senior British officer, says that military aid is being delivered by air, road, rail and sea and to multiple locations "in order to ensure we don't have any single points of failure".
He says that Russia has tried to step up its attacks on supply lines but there's been no "significant" interruption to their delivery.
I ask if any supplies have been hit.
"Yes, I presume so," he replies.
The task of moving the weapons and ammunition across the border is left to the Ukrainians themselves, says Rear Adm Duke Heinz, the senior US commander at the IDCC.
"In Poland and the other countries, the Ukrainians come and get it - so they're the ones who determine how it gets across the border." Once the weapons cross the border, they can arrive at the front line "within 48 hours".
Recently there have been alarming warnings from Ukraine that the flow of weapons is too little and too late. As Russia continues to bombard the Donbas, pleas for more help are sounding more desperate by the day. Ukraine's deputy defence minister says that, so far, the country has only received 10% of what it has asked for.
Here in Stuttgart, Rear Adm Heinz gives a very different message: "I am confident they are not going to run out of ammunition."
Despite the grim news from the Donbas, he says "I wouldn't say they're losing, I'd say they're holding their own."
Ukraine's demands have changed significantly over the past few months. The IDCC was set up in late February - bringing together two separate efforts being led by the US and the UK. At the start of the war they were sending small arms and ammunition - such as anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. Now Ukrainians are asking for heavier weapons - artillery, multiple rocket launchers and air defence systems.
In the early days of the war the IDCC tried to source stocks of old Soviet weapons and ammunition from former Soviet bloc countries - the same systems Ukraine's armed forces had been using for decades. Brig King says those supplies have slowly been running out. There is now just one factory in Europe that produces Soviet-compatible 152mm artillery ammunition.
Slowly, they have been transitioning to Nato-standard equipment. Over the past few months Ukraine has been sent more than 100 M777 US howitzers and 300,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition.
This brings an additional challenge, as Ukrainian forces need to be trained in how to use the weapons and ammunition. The IDCC is organising that training outside Ukraine. Some Ukrainian troops are now being trained in the UK on new artillery guns and British-supplied multiple rocket launchers. Simpler systems can be taught virtually, using videos and training manuals.
Neither Rear Adm Heinz nor Brig King believe this war will be over quickly. They both say they're preparing to carry on this work for the long term. When I ask the brigadier for how long, he replies, "It's not going to be months, I think we'll be here for a number of years."
But there are some within Nato who question whether the West is really geared up for a war that could go on for years. It could certainly test its unity, resolve and limited stocks of weapons and ammunition.
In Stuttgart they know the stakes couldn't be higher. Rear Adm Heinz describes the mission of providing Ukraine with weapons and ammunition as "the most important work this command has done" since US EUCOM (European Command) was set up in 1952.
Brig King calls it "a generational moment" and says the choice is stark: "We either help Ukraine to fight or we accept that, maybe not straight away but in the next few years, we're going to be fighting somewhere else. If we don't do enough we will sow the seeds for future conflict."
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Majuri
Saksalaisia kokeillaan, alkavatko vaatia isoon ääneen rauhaa Ukrainassa donbassin alueen luovutuksella yms. Teollisuus pamput jo varmaan soittelevat herr scholzille...
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rty19
Greatest Leader
OL3:n sähköntuotanto viivästyy taas
yle.fi
Olkiluodon kolmosreaktorin sähköntuotanto myöhästyy taas – ja jos talvi on kova, ei sähköä välttämättä edes riitä
Energiateollisuuden toimitusjohtaja Jukka Leskelän mukaan syksystä selvitään, mutta tilanne sähkön saatavuuden suhteen tiukentuu koko ajan.
yle.fi
Warmonitor3 kirjoittaa tämmöistä, mikä olisi vahvasti positiivinen uutinen ja mikä tukee tätä Dolynan suunnan kommenttia. Tämä Bohorodychne (jonka google kääntää usein "Virgin" tai "Mother of god".) on se paikka missä ryssä ylitti SD-joen mutkan kohdalla ja mikä on viime päivien ehkä huolestuttavimpia kehityksiä. Sviathorskin vieressä.
Tämä voisi jopa osaltaan selittää isot ryssätappiot tämän aamun luvuissa.
There is reports of a Ukrainian counteroffensive in Bohorodychne that happened yesterday to push them out of the town. The town is contested at the moment.
ps. Jos joku venäjän/ukrainan taitoinen sattuu lukemaan (kuten @Maidan) niin kiinnostaisi tämän Bohorodychne sanan etymologia. Viittaako se nimenomaan neitsyt Mariaan vai neitsyeeseen yleensä vai mihinkä.
No niin. Venäjäkin pystyy toteuttamaan Venäjälle pakotteita kun Saksa ei siihen vaan kykene.
Antares
Respected Leader
Mielenkiintoinen haastattelu, nappaan siitä Googke Translate käännöksen tänne (pahoittelut pitkästä viestistä): suora linkki, tekstin lisäksi on muutamia kuvia https://telegra.ph/Nemnogo-o-T-80BVM-06-03
Author:
- A question about the mobility of the machine: GTE - "hell for suppliers" or a thing? Reliable enough? Problems on the march for fuel? Smoothness, shaking, acceleration in comparison with diesels. What are the main disadvantages of the T-80 BVM?
tankman:
— It all depends on what role the tank group plays. As practice has shown, the speed of the "box" directly affects its survival. If the same instances in the form of T-72B and T-72B3 during the battles in urban areas had very impressive losses, then the group of "80s" lost only one tank in 3 months of the operation.
Of course, catering to mixed groups is hell to provide, but they are not necessary. In the later stages of the operation, the machines were used for completely different tasks. There were no complaints about the reliability of the machines, they withstood more than they should have. The movement on the T-80 BVM is much quieter and smoother, which made it possible to carry out lightning attacks.
The main disadvantage of the car is an outdated thermal imaging sight on which any waste heap is fonil, and high fuel consumption.
Author :
- Nuances in use? Ammunition? Did you take BC for the task only in mechanized laying? Typical composition of BC (proportion: OFS, KS, "crowbars")? Or was it filled differently for a specific task? What type of ammunition was used most often? Is the main "scrap" still 3B42?
ATGM - a suitcase without a handle or a really useful thing? Is it realistic to implement the "long arm" of our tanks in the conditions of combat in the current theater of operations? Did you have to apply? If so, what are the nuances, reliability, were there any failures in guidance and what is their reason? From personal experience: what kind of ammunition needs to be finalized or created?
tankman:
- There have never been more than 10 shells in the armor. Even from the experience of fighting around the Donetsk airport, I know what happens to a combat vehicle when it is filled to capacity with ammunition. When a shell from an RPG arrives from the floor into the commander's hatch, and the tower flies to the 3rd floor of the terminal. Our counterparts decided to ignore this simple truth and were always packed to capacity, for which they were nicknamed among the unit "a herd of lemmings."
In addition to the "Mango" at the beginning of the operation there was nothing, the ammunition was spent so quickly that it was not possible to replenish it. As for the “long arm”, I will answer as concisely as I can.
It's possible, but slow. It is extremely inconvenient to make a calculation in order to hit a closed standing target (God forbid, and a moving one), and it forces you to invent a bicycle on the spot, based on the terrain.
Concrete-piercing types of weapons are urgently needed, taking into account NATO manuals for the construction of fortifications.
Author:
— Observation. Did you complete tasks at night? How does the commander conduct surveillance at night? How did the sighting equipment perform? At what distances did you manage to detect the enemy on average?
tankman:
- Performing tasks late at night with armored formations is effective only when working from closed positions. Ideally, if the tank group advances for an assault, it is better to do this at 2-3 in the morning and reach the starting point of the battle by dusk. The sighting equipment is obsolete and needs to be replaced. But at the stage of the fight against the tanks of the USSR, although modernized, this is not critical. Thanks to the infantry and the well-coordinated work of Akhmat, we always knew where the enemy was and how he was moving.
Author:
- General awareness of the situation. connection. Communication in combat with an infantry unit? Were automated control systems used (like ESU TK) or was everything only through radio communication?
tankman:
- I won't disclose it.
Author:
— Tank duels? Or tanks don't fight tanks (c)? Are there any problems with the defeat of enemy tanks? How do you assess the resistance of the T-80 BVM to modern anti-tank weapons? What is the enemy's skill?
tankman:
- Tank duels in this theater are in great demand on our part, and we are trying to impose them. Superiority in reverse speed and the ability to go into the sides of the enemy gives us the opportunity to never lose these duels at all. And since the Ukrainian tanks are completely packed with ammunition to capacity, more than one hit is not needed.
As for resistance to domestic - a solid 5-ku. As for the Western ones, it's more difficult, since we didn't give the opportunity to work on us. But, as it seems to me, tandem shells could be a problem for us, but there is always a good old mesh for this.
Luckily for us in the Ukraine, the tankers have disappeared, most of the experienced commanders and gunners were knocked out as a result of the hostilities of the 14-15s.
Author:
- And the last question. How did the additional fabric screens perform?
tankman:
- By the current moment, they are no longer on our car. But, apparently, they charged us from something during the cleansing of the village "Z", and they saved us. works.
Author:
- Thank you for answering questions.
tankman:
- Please! Hello from the PTSD Team!
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Kapteeni
En tiedä ymmärsinkö nyt kysymystä alkuunkaan, mutta hämmennyksestä huolimatta sanoisin että minusta monella tavalla.
Toinen on Toyoyta Hilux jonka lavalla keikkuu sergei, ja toinen on 25- tonninen möhkäle joka kestää vähintään raskaan kk:n ja kaikki sitä kevyemmät jv- aseet, ehkä enemmänkin. Ikkunoidenkin on todettu kestävän kiväärikaliiperisten aseiden tulta.
Hiluxin lavalla kun ampuja painaa pedaalia niin auto hytkyy niin että kuskilta irtoaa paikat hampaista, ja kranaatit menevät minne sattuvat. BTR-4 tornissa olevalla tykillä osuu paljon paremmin, ja niin ampuja kuin kuljettajakin ovat kohtuullisen hyvässä suojassa sisällä.
Kummassakin voi lisäksi kuljettaa 8- henkisen jv- ryhmän, mutta heidän suojaukseensa pätevät myös yo. erot.