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Jotenkin ajattelen, että länsimainen johtamistapa ei välttämättä edes istu Venäläiseen ajatteluun kovin hyvin siis vaikka se mahdollistettaisiinkin.Niinpä. Ja tätä ryssä ei itse osaa tai ei halua näin toimia vaan noudattaa vanhaa kankeaa neuvostoajan taktiikkaa.
– Ukraina soveltaa nyt aktiivisesti Naton ajattelutapaa, joka antaa jokaiselle kersantille mahdollisuuden toimia itsenäisesti. Hän saa tarvittavat välineet ongelman ratkaisemiseksi. Mutta meidän järjestelmämme ei tätä mahdollista: täytyy käydä läpi koko komentoketju hyväksymisineen ennen kuin ylempänä oleva komentaja päättää tarjota tarvittavat välineet.
Luultavasti tuo ajattelumalli menee siviiliväestönkin läpi. Ylempää huolehditaan ja päätetään, jos paskapönttö menee tukkoon niin se on jonkun muun hoidettava kuntoon.Jotenkin ajattelen, että länsimainen johtamistapa ei välttämättä edes istu Venäläiseen ajatteluun kovin hyvin siis vaikka se mahdollistettaisiinkin.
Ei ja kun niitä sukupolvia on tuossa ollut ja maa sekä kulttuuri ei ole juurikaan muuttunut. En usko, että vaikka tuolla olisi kuka johtajana, että maa toimisi toisin.Luultavasti tuo ajattelumalli menee siviiliväestönkin läpi. Ylempää huolehditaan ja päätetään, jos paskapönttö menee tukkoon niin se on jonkun muun hoidettava kuntoon.
Tämän vuoksi on vaikeaa nähdä, että Venäjästä tulisi ikinä tolkun valtiota, meidän mittapuulla. Vaatisi niin monta sukupolvea ettei tule onnistumaan, aina tulee joku wannabe-tsaari, joka nollaa tilanteen.
Juu. Esim. tieosakuntien muodostaminen mökkialueiden teille tuntuu ylipääsemättömältä. Niiden yhteisten mökkiteiden kunto voi olla surkea...Luultavasti tuo ajattelumalli menee siviiliväestönkin läpi. Ylempää huolehditaan ja päätetään, jos paskapönttö menee tukkoon niin se on jonkun muun hoidettava kuntoon.
Tämän vuoksi on vaikeaa nähdä, että Venäjästä tulisi ikinä tolkun valtiota, meidän mittapuulla. Vaatisi niin monta sukupolvea ettei tule onnistumaan, aina tulee joku wannabe-tsaari, joka nollaa tilanteen.
WSJ:n artikkeli drone-operaattoreista:
Suora linkki: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukrain...-new-kind-of-war-11659870805?mod=hp_lead_pos8
Ukraine’s Drone Spotters on Front Lines Wage New Kind of War
A reconnaissance unit using drones to direct artillery strikes is frequently a target itself. Commercially available drones selling for as little as $3,000 are revolutionizing combat.
PRYBUZKE, Ukraine—“Fire,” a Ukrainian reconnaissance unit commander said after receiving a message from the artillery team on his mobile phone’s messaging app.
It took more than 20 seconds for the sound of an outgoing Ukrainian artillery round to reach this narrow strip of woodland on the front line between Ukrainian-held Mykolaiv and Russian-occupied Kherson in southern Ukraine.
As the shell whistled overhead, another member of the team who goes by the call sign Zhora zoomed in on his terminal’s screen to see where it landed. A third member, Thor, leaned over to mark the location on a tablet with Kropyva, a mapping and artillery software developed for the Ukrainian military.
A plume of dark smoke could be seen on the drone’s feed before the sound of the explosion traveled back. “Oh, that was real close!” said the 34-year-old Zhora with a smile, noting the short distance between the impact spot and a fortified Russian position sheltering a BMD armored fighting vehicle.
That is how much of the fighting goes on these days in Ukraine, where the front lines—with the exception of some parts of the Donbas area in the east—haven’t moved much in months. The two armies try to weaken each other in daily artillery exchanges that are guided by hundreds of spotters flying drones over enemy lines.
Abdulla, the commander of this special drone reconnaissance platoon, known as Terra, relayed the coordinates for the next round of artillery. Like most other Ukrainian soldiers, members of the platoon are allowed to be identified only by their call signs.
Just minutes earlier, Abdulla and his men were themselves scampering to seek cover in two dugouts after Russian forces spotted their drone in the air and fired several rounds in their general direction. The rounds landed too far away to cause damage. Not far from the spot, the remains of a burned-out car marked Russia’s success in eliminating another Ukrainian drone team a few weeks earlier.
“It’s a different kind of war now,” said Abdulla, a motorbike-race driver who obtained his law degree just before the war. “As people here say, if it comes down to exchanging gunfire, you’ve already made a mistake.” He volunteered during the 2014-15 war against Russian proxies in the Donbas area.
“When I was in my first campaign, I thought, what on earth are those drones, I have to be the real man, carry a gun on my shoulder, go seek out the enemy,” said the 33-year-old. “I’m older and wiser now.”
While drones have been around for decades, employed by the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq, and by Azerbaijan to devastating effect against Armenian forces in 2020, the high saturation of the front lines by unmanned aircraft is a unique feature of the Ukrainian war.
Both Russia and Ukraine operate professional military drones. Russia’s large fleet of Orlan-10 winged observation drones poses a serious problem for Ukrainian forces, which often don’t have the means to shoot them down. Ukraine employs its own fixed-wing observation drones, Leleka and Furia, as well as the Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 armed drones that played an important role in destroying Russian armored columns in the early days of the war. Kyiv has also deployed so-called kamikaze drones such as the U.S.-made Switchblade and the Polish-supplied Warmate.
Much more widespread on the front lines are off-the-shelf commercial drones, such as Chinese-made DJI quadrocopters, operated by teams attached to individual battalions and companies of troops. With a retail price of around $3,000 for a DJI Mavic 3 and upward of $10,000 for the bigger DJI Matrice series, these drones can make all the difference on the battlefield, according to soldiers.
“They get bought by friends, by relatives, by volunteers—and then become the eyes of the front line units,” said Alex, a Ukrainian drone operator who fought in the battle for Lysychansk in the Donbas area in June. “The situation can change in 10 minutes, and you need to see what the enemy is doing right away.” The powerful Russian jamming and electronic-warfare capabilities in the Donbas area, he added, disabled the GPS navigation systems used by most other drones—but didn’t disrupt the flights of quadrocopters such as DJI Mavic 3 that can be flown manually.
In confronting a much larger and better-equipped enemy, Ukraine’s military has had to become more flexible and inventive, accommodating teams of volunteers such as the Terra drone platoon into its structure. Most members of the platoon, which works with an infantry brigade on the Mykolaiv front, used to be Kyiv professionals who knew each other because of their joint interest in re-enacting medieval knight tournaments. Their preferred activity was cosplaying 15th century Flemish knights. The platoon, named after the home planet in the Warhammer 40,000 videogame, started up as part of Kyiv’s Territorial Defense when Russia invaded on Feb. 24.
On a recent day, Abdulla—who took his call sign from a character in a cult 1970 Soviet action movie—and three other soldiers, with guns, two drones in their carrying cases and backpacks full of spare batteries, got into a spray-painted pickup truck. The platoon’s drones and vehicles had been purchased with money contributed or collected by the team members themselves.
The pickup sped south of Mykolaiv, navigating around shell craters on rutted roads and passing the burned-out remains of the villages that changed hands in the first months of the war. At a strip of forest that serves as one of the unit’s launching grounds, Abdulla, Zhora and Thor jumped out and ran under the trees as the pickup sped back to avoid being spotted by Russian drones operating in the area. Thor, a 33-year-old project manager with an engineering degree, wore a patch saying “Avada Kedavra Bitch,” a reference to the deadliest curse in the Harry Potter series, next to a tourniquet on his body armor.
Upon arrival, Abdulla opened up a transmitter and created an internet connection. “It’s time for some nonverbal communication with the Russians,” he said. Zhora, who packaged nonperforming loans for a Kyiv bank before the war, began the mission with the DJI Mavic 3 drone, piloting it against the wind and into Russian lines. The drone, the size of a book, is relatively quiet and, with adaptations, can fly as far as 4 miles.
Zhora studied the landscape of Russian trenches and fortified positions, looking for priority targets, such as artillery pieces, tanks or ammunition stocks in the open. “Would be a prize to hit that one, but it is driving way too fast,” he said as a Russian Grad multiple-rocket launcher traveled on a road in the distance. A minute later, Zhora spotted another Russian vehicle, likely an armored ambulance, careening away from a Russian position. “Maybe one of them died?” he wondered. “Or maybe someone just had too much vodka,” Abdulla replied.
There weren’t any easy pickings, and Abdulla decided to focus on the Russian fortifications where armored vehicles were parked under thick concrete panels. Only a lucky direct hit can be effective against such defenses.
The strategy, however, was more complex. Firing on these fortifications could force the Russians to react by revealing additional positions and provoking troop movements. Russian response artillery fire could be used to pinpoint and target Russian guns. And barrages in the direct vicinity of Russian positions would degrade Russian troops even if they didn’t cause physical casualties.
“It’s a cat-and-mouse game here,” said Abdulla. “They must be under stress every day. It’s very important. If one day we have to launch an offensive, or they get the order to attack, they will be demoralized and fatigued.” The Russians are constantly shelling Ukrainian positions for the same reason.
Just as the small drone was returning from the first flight, a thud of an outgoing Russian artillery round, followed by a whistle, broke the chirping of birds. Everyone dove to the ground and scrambled for cover. The shell missed by a relatively comfortable distance, as did several others that followed. “They don’t know where we are,” Abdulla said, exhaling. “We keep working.”
Tapping on his phone from the dugout, he arranged for a Ukrainian artillery team in the rear to prepare for a fire mission some 30 minutes later. He didn’t know which caliber of gun and from where. It is considered bad form to inquire about details that, if intercepted, could be used by the Russians to destroy the Ukrainian artillery.
To guide fire, Zhora launched a bigger, DJI Matrice drone that can stay in the air longer and, because of superior optics, doesn’t have to fly so close to the enemy lines. With every round, the spotters tried to bring the shells closer to the Russian positions. On this day, none apparently sustained a decisive hit.
On the previous day, one of the shells hit a patch of forest that was teeming with Russian soldiers shortly before impact.
On the following day, Abdulla said, Ukrainian artillery fire that his team directed hit a Russian infantry fighting vehicle concealed under a wooden roof, and then struck again when Russian soldiers emerged from dugouts to try extinguishing the fire. Terra’s documented hits, which the platoon posts on its YouTube and Instagram accounts, include several Russian tanks, self-propelled and towed artillery pieces and other military vehicles.
“What is demoralizing somewhat is that they have lots more stuff,” Zhora said. “You blow something up, and then you see them replace it already the next day.”
As Russian guns returned fire, prompting it to relocate, the day’s mission ended. All in all, the amount of artillery fire from both sides was apparently similar—a dramatic change from the recent past, when Russia significantly outgunned Ukrainian troops in this area. Ukrainian HIMARS missile strikes have targeted Russia bridges and logistics hubs across the Kherson region in recent weeks.
“Maybe they are running low on ammunition now,” Abdulla said. “Maybe they are saving it up for the offensive. Or maybe their commander went to headquarters for a meeting and they don’t fire without him.”
Packing up their drones, the team waited as the pickup truck roared up in reverse, and then jumped in and left the front line for the day. “We will be back to fish tomorrow,” Abdulla said. “We are the biggest predator in this body of water.”
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Tässä vajaa 10 min video Terra-porukan toiminnasta, ei välttämättä juuri sama ryhmä kuin artikkelissa mutta osa samaa organisaatiota.
Videossa on englanninkieliset tekstitykset, kunhan klikkaa ne päälle alapalkista.
Muutama havainto: näyttäisi siltä että ainakin osa ellei kaikki tulesta on panssarivaunun tai vaunujen ampumaa, seuraavat tulta ja korjaavat sitä havaittujen kohteiden suuntaan. Raportoivat osumista, tulipaloista yms. havainnoista.
Valmisteltu asema, kaivettu katettu kuoppa maahan. Vihollinen ampuu takaisin ja suojautuvat siltä. Ei voi tietää, onko asema jo entuudestaan vihollisen havaitsema ja ampuvat sitä pian sen jälkeen kun saavat tulta niskaansa VAI paikallistivatko dronen lennättäjän sähkömagneettisen spektrin seurannalla VAI ihan perinteinen aistivalvonta, näkevät dronen ja löytävät lennättäjän horisonttia kiikaroimalla (tai ehkä vastapuoli laittoi oman dronen ilmaan ja löysivät sillä lennättäjät).
Näkyy olevan iskuosastomaista touhua: autolla valmistellun aseman tuntumaan, sieltä nopea tiedustelu, panssarivaunu (tai tykistö/heittimet) ampuu havaittuihin koordinaatteihin, korjaavat tulta, raportoivat osumista, suojautuvat vastatykistöltä ja sen jälkeen takaisin autolle ja pois.
Halvemmallakin pääsee alkuun oma ongelma on aika…Pihkura, kun nuo lapset ovat tottuneet syömään ihan joka päivä. Houkuttelisi rakentaa tämmöinen setti ja opetella paikantamaan drone-operattoreita ym, lähettimiä. Laskentateho ja rauta on nykyään niin halpaa, että jokaisella hirviprikaatilla on halutessaan mahdollisuus signaalitiedusteluun jos tietotaitoa riittää.
Äänestyksen tulos on jo ennalta päätetty, joten äänestyksellä ei ole mitään merkitystä. Onko tullut yhtään äänestystulosta, jossa ei olisi haluttu liittyä Venäjään?Tuo on mielenkiintoine tapa Venäjällä, että sodan ollessa kesken niin järjestetään "kansanäänestys" Venäjään liittymisestä. Onneksi noita uusia rajoja ei ainakaan YK tule vahvistamaan.
Laitetaan tämä tähänkin ketjuun: pitkä mutta mielenkiintoinen VDV:n sotilaan Pavel Filatiev kirjoitus kokemuksistaan Ukrainassa, vietti kaksi kuukautta Ukrainassa:
Linkki kirjoitukseen.
Artikkelissa on linkki hänen julkaisemaan kirjaan, se on luettavissa ilmaiseksi - tosin pitää joko osata lukea kyrillisiä tai sitten ajaa se käännöstyökalun läpi. Yksi vaihtoehto: kopioi tekstin kirjasta Google Translate -palveluun ja kääntää pala kerrallaan. Google Translate taitaa rajoittaa yhden käännöksen 3 000 tai 4 000 merkkiin, mutta tämä on ainakin ilmainen ja kohtuullisen taitava kääntäjä. Toki on olemassa myös kunnon ohjelmia, joilla voi kääntää eikä tarvitse pelleillä noin kömpelösti Google Translaten kanssa - jokainen tyylillään. Google Lens tekee myös käännöksiä, toki on muitakin.
Suora linkki kirjaan:
https://vk.com/doc365182800_6421736...l=WJ3c0dtpmjLZ2edp4LHBYWjJ282qlH9Sd1AyPRKvHcz
Otsikko ja jutun alku niin voi tuumailla, kiinnostaako lukea lisää (vaatii toki käännöstyökalun käytön):
The war in Ukraine through the eyes of a Russian soldier: a mess, mediocre command and unwillingness to kill
The story of a Russian paratrooper about the state of the army and affairs at the front after two months spent in Ukraine
"It's been a month and a half since I returned from the war. I know that you can't say the word "war", it's banned. <...> So this is a war: our Russian army shoots at the Ukrainian army, and it shoots back, shells and rockets explode there. <...> At the same time, the military on both sides, as well as civilians who are "lucky" to live where they decided to start a war, calling it a "special operation" are dying, "- this is how the memoirs of the Russian soldier Pavel Filatyev, which he published , back from Ukraine.
Pavel Filatyev, a 33-year-old paratrooper originally from the Volgograd region, served in Chechnya in the 2010s, and in August last year, due to problems with work and lack of money, he decided to sign a new service contract. He participated in the war on the territory of Ukraine as part of the 56th Air Assault Regiment. His unit in the first days of the invasion was sent to storm Kherson. Due to injuries received on the battlefield, Filatiev was evacuated for treatment, he never returned to the front. Now Filatiev opposes the war: he tells the truth about what he saw with his own eyes. He described his memories in the book "ZOV". Important Stories publishes abridged excerpts from Pavel Filatiev's book about the mess in the Russian army, soldiers' attitudes towards war, and senseless deaths.
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Alla yhden twitter-tilin poimintoja artikkelista, hänen huomion kiinnittäneet yksityiskohdat: LINKKI ketjuun
A VDV soldier published a book titled «ZOV». Describes realities.
- from 56 Airborne regt, WIA
- Aug 2021: no proper size, so no boots issued
- Oct 2021: winter uniforms issued, secondhand, again no proper size
- Winter: open truck transport to livex, pneumonia
- no weapon issued for 100+ days
- complaint to MoD, therefore the worst soldier
- MoD response: have an airborne health, be a disciplined trooper
⁃ mid Feb 2022: airborne coy (40 personnel) in one tent, it was better in Chechnya (no running water)
⁃ 23 Feb: a Div cdr briefing (salary up to $69 daily, something is boiling)
⁃ 24 Feb: it started with the rocket artillery, no info if NATO or Ukraine attacked
⁃ feel abused by fake patriotic propaganda, law/orders, money, promotions
⁃ Only then I understand Russia attacked Ukraine
⁃ first WIA, no medevac
⁃ all escapee vehicles use dashboard cameras
⁃ 28 Feb: first civilians killed
⁃ no surprise factor, Kherson prepared
⁃ regiment consists of 500 PAX
⁃ meet 11 Airborne Bde, only 50 PAX survived
⁃ no comms, no CAS, no artillery, no sleeping bags, no water, no food, frost, homeless enjoy better life, stealing abundant
⁃ 3 March: infantry refused to fight, VDV keeps the frontline
⁃ Groundhog Day by day
⁃ One MRE for 2 days
⁃ no fresh ammo, uniforms, boots, Russia promises to pay for every Ukrainian killed
⁃ families send food/clothes packages
⁃ some self wounded (3,0 million for being WIA)
⁃ 2 months of hunger, frost, diseases, sweat
⁃ 50% of Russian airborne used Ukrainian uniforms (better quality)
⁃ no morphine for wounded
⁃ no army insurance or compensation for medical treatment, so decision made to quit due to medical condition
⁃ 56 Airborne depleted to below 50% (KIA/WIA, discharged)
⁃ despite public info, the real salary was approximately 100k RUR a month
⁃ why Russian army failed:
1. no rightness to conquer a friendly nation
2. why attacking with artillery, missiles. It builds no populace support.
3. Old Soviet command style.
4. Weaponry & ammo is obsolete
⁃ children of Russian VIPs never saw and experience the military service
⁃ Russian soldiers are hostages of patriotism, careers, fear
Joo, Filatyevin perusteella voisi varovaisesti arvioida 2010-luvulla otetun takapakkia roimasti eteenpäinmenon sijaan.
Korruptio jytää. Nyt ei ole enää edes sitä neuvostoideologiaa (vanhat pierut eläköityneet) johon nojata. Pelkkää vaurastumista (tuolla tasolla tosin vain selviytymistä) toisten kustannuksella.