Ukrainan sodan havainnot ja opetukset

Pitkä ja mielenkiintoinen artikkeli War on the Rocks julkaisussa. Battle of treelines, eräänlainen Normandian battle of bocage country toisinto, voisi ajatella. Toivottavasti läpimurto tulee pian.
Hienoa, jos Ukraina on vihdoin ymmärtänyt alkamaan käyttää maastoa hyväkseen sotimisessaan, eikä vaan ajele avomaastossa yhdella tai kahdella tankilla kohti vihollista. Eihän siinä mennytkään kuin puolitoista vuotta oppia, että metsän suojaa pitäisi käyttää hyväksi. :rolleyes:
 
Foreign Affairs tuore artikkeli, aiheena mitä ryssä on oppinut Ukrainan sodasta (artikkeli julkaistu 6.9.2023):

The Russians Are Getting Better​

What Moscow Has Learned in Ukraine

By Margarita Konaev and Owen J. Daniels

September 6, 2023

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/russians-are-getting-better-learning

The Russians Are Getting Better​

What Moscow Has Learned in Ukraine

By Margarita Konaev and Owen J. Daniels

September 6, 2023

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Ukrainian soldiers in the Zaporizhzhia region, Ukraine, September 2023
Oleksandr Ratushniak / Reuters

Ukraine’s summer counteroffensive has moved more slowly than many of the country’s allies and supporters had hoped. The Ukrainian military has proved remarkably adept at rapidly incorporating new capabilities and technologies into its operations, fighting bravely and for the most part effectively against an enemy with superior numbers, little regard for its own losses, and no regard for the laws of war. Even so, progress has been gradual, and every piece of liberated territory has come at an immense cost. Only after three months of grueling combat has Ukraine started to make more significant progress, penetrating some of Russia’s entrenched defensive lines in the country’s southeast and reclaiming territory in the provinces of Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk.

Some analysts have attributed the counteroffensive’s slow pace to the challenges of successfully executing joint military maneuvers or coordinating artillery, infantry, and airpower. Others have questioned whether the training the United States and NATO have provided—focused on conducting fast offensive operations rather than wearing the Russian military down through attrition—was well suited to the type of enemy and war the Ukrainians are fighting. Still others have argued that Kyiv’s Western allies have been too slow to provide weapons and equipment, which delayed the Ukrainian counteroffensive and allowed Russia to fortify its positions and mine large swaths of contested territory. Finally, the Ukrainian military is not a NATO-style force, and the armed forces’ legacy and doctrine remains, in part, beholden to the Soviet military when it comes to the way it organizes, mobilizes, and sustains itself. Although this is not necessarily a weakness, it does require that Ukraine’s Western allies reconsider what types of weapons, equipment, and training would enable Ukraine to fight the way it fights best.

Still, the challenges facing the Ukrainian military stem from more than its own actions and decisions and those of its Western allies and partners. They also reflect Russia’s changing behavior. For the first six to nine months of the conflict, the Kremlin seemed not to learn from its mistakes. But in the time since, the Russian armed forces have been improving their battlefield tactics—albeit slowly and at great cost in lives and resources. They have learned how to target Ukrainian units and weapons with more efficacy and how to better protect their own command systems. As a result, Russia has been better able to leverage its numerical and firepower advantages, turning what many had hoped would be a swift offensive push into a sluggish, brutal, and tough fight.

PAIN AND GAIN

A year and a half into the war, Russia’s military is bruised and weary. Its leadership, headed by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and General Valery Gerasimov, seems to be either missing in action or busy keeping bad news about the war from reaching Russian President Vladimir Putin. At least half, perhaps even two-thirds, of the combat-ready tanks Russia had reserved for the war are gone, forcing the Kremlin to dip into its Soviet-era reserves.

Much of Russia’s other military equipment—including armored vehicles, artillery systems, and electronic warfare systems—has been captured, damaged, or destroyed; some systems are so decrepit that they barely function. Many of the most expensive and sophisticated weapons that remain in Russia’s arsenal, including hypersonic and high-precision missiles, are being used to target civilian infrastructure, depleting precious stocks that will be hard to replenish amid sanctions. Russia’s troops, meanwhile, are poorly trained, low on morale, and sometimes forced to fight. Some are fresh out of prison, and some are on drugs. And after the late Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin’s failed rebellion in July, many analysts have speculated that the Russian military will face mass military desertions, mutinies, and even a catastrophic collapse.

But as battered and inefficient as it is, Russia’s military is still capable of learning and adapting. This process has been slow, painful, expensive, and cumbersome—but it is happening, and it is showing results. Consider, for instance, how Russia has revitalized its electronic warfare capabilities. For more than a decade, Moscow had been modernizing these systems, which it used to great effect in Syria and in its initial, 2014 invasion of eastern Ukraine. Yet after Russia deployed them against Ukraine’s ground-based air defense systems in the first two days of its February 2022 invasion, these systems and capabilities essentially went missing in action. It is not clear exactly why Russia failed to capitalize on this seeming advantage, but experts pointed to Moscow’s broader failure to plan for the invasion, the Russian military’s poor coordination, and the fact that it would severely disrupt its own communications by using electronic jammers.

Russia’s military is bruised and weary.

But when the war shifted to the Donbas late in the spring of 2022, Russia began ramping up its use of electronic warfare systems. It deployed about ten electronic warfare complexes—collections of systems used to jam an enemy’s communications, disrupt its navigation systems, and knock out its radars—for every 12.4 miles of the frontline. Over time, that ratio has fallen—with approximately one major system now covering approximately every six miles of the front, with additional electronic warfare assets deployed as needed to reinforce its units.

These systems still have problems, including relatively limited coverage and an inability to avoid affecting one another. But on the whole, they have proved tremendously valuable, helping Russia degrade Ukraine’s communications, navigation, and intelligence-gathering capabilities; take down Ukrainian aircraft and drones; and cause Ukrainian precision-guided munitions to miss their targets. Russia has also used them to block Ukrainian drones from transmitting targeting information, to augment Russian air defense networks and capabilities, and to intercept and decrypt Ukrainian military communications. And thus far, Ukraine has had only limited success countering these enhanced Russian capabilities.

Just as it resurrected its electronic warfare assets, the Russian military has reconstituted its command-and-control infrastructure and processes, which were devastated by U.S.-supplied High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and other Ukrainian long-range precision missiles over the summer of 2022. In the process, Russia has made a number of relatively rudimentary but successful overall changes, including pulling its command headquarters out of range of Ukrainian surface-to-air missiles, placing its forward command posts farther below ground and behind heavily defended positions, and fortifying these posts with concrete. Russia has also found ways to ensure that communications between command posts and military units are more efficient and secure, including by laying out field cables and using safer radio communications. But communications at the battalion level and downward are still often unencrypted, and given their limited training, Russian soldiers frequently communicate sensitive information through unsecure channels.

TRIAL BY FIRE

From the start of the war through last summer, the Russian military was organized into so-called battalion tactical groups—essentially, formations of artillery, tanks, and infantry that were grouped to improve readiness and cohesion. In Ukraine, this force structure proved disastrous. Most of the battalion tactical groups were undermanned, especially the infantry units critical to fighting in urban terrain, where some of the war’s early crucial battles took place. They were also generally not well prepared, staffed, or equipped for a prolonged ground offensive or for holding territory.

But in the second half of 2022, as the conflict devolved into a war of attrition, mounting casualties compelled the country’s military leaders to change their approach. They revised their infantry tactics and consolidated their artillery into specialized brigades, consolidating their firepower, and using drones to more effectively coordinate and target their artillery strikes. These adjustments positioned the Russian military to exploit its two primary advantages over Ukraine: personnel and firepower.

The shift in infantry tactics was enabled in part by the arrival of conscripts from inside Russia, from inside the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, and from prisoners drafted by the Wagner paramilitary company. These troops were not well trained or organized, and they have mainly been used as cannon fodder in consecutive waves of assaults on Ukrainian positions. But however brutal and cynical, this approach enabled Russia to better defend its fortified positions and withstand the Ukrainian counteroffensive even as it suffered thousands of casualties. It also forced defending Ukrainian troops to reveal their positions and exhaust their ammunition and personnel. And it allows more specialized Russian units, such as airborne and naval infantry forces, to fight from well-defended positions with improved equipment and weapons. As a result, these better-trained and -equipped troops have been able to rotate in and out of action, and they have been spared major losses in recent months after bearing heavier costs in the war’s early stages.

Ukraine will need patience from its partners.

Alongside manpower, the ability to saturate targets with heavy artillery fire, whether to strike defensive positions or to blunt offensive maneuvers, has traditionally been one of the Russian military’s greatest strengths. That firepower advantage, however, was largely lost early in the war, when the Russian military was deployed in battalion tactical groups. The country’s artillery strikes were poorly directed, the military was slow to respond, and it was too dispersed and not prepared to maneuver across the multiple throngs of attack. As the war shifted to the Donbas, the static nature of fighting compelled the Russian military leadership to consolidate artillery into brigades. This move helped improve coordination and concentrate firepower in a way that is better aligned with Russia’s traditional doctrine.

But the Russian army was still burning through ammunition faster than Russian factories could produce it. These shortages were compounded by successful Ukrainian strikes on Russian ammunition stockpiles across the Donbas in the second part of 2022. Facing ammunition constraints, and still reeling from the loss of many artillery pieces and experienced crews, the Russians have been forced to become more efficient in their use of ammunition, to improve the mobility of weapons to avoid destruction, and to find ways to target Ukrainian troops more effectively.

One adoption has been tightening the link between its reconnaissance systems and the soldiers carrying out attacks, allowing the Russian military to hit Ukrainian troops, command centers, and equipment and ammunition hubs faster and more accurately. Russia is also increasingly using relatively cheap Lancet loitering munitions or explosive drones to thwart Ukrainian advances by destroying expensive military equipment, such as air defense systems. These strikes sometimes deliver propaganda value for Russia, yielding videos that show the destruction of valuable Ukrainian assets that can be broadcast on television or on social media.

OLD DOG, NEW TRICKS

Despite the notable changes and improvements over the past year, there are still many areas in which Russia’s military continues to perform poorly or is failing altogether. The Russian armed forces still cannot horizontally integrate their command and control, nor can they communicate commanders’ decisions and share information across different units in real time. As a result, Russian units deployed in proximity cannot effectively communicate with one another if they belong to different formations. Often, they cannot support one another because they have separate chains of command.

This is not a technical glitch or a bureaucratic barrier. Rather, it is a deep structural problem that is unlikely to be solved without a systemic overhaul of Russia’s military and perhaps even its political system. Military command-and-control culture boils down to trust, and the militaries of authoritarian regimes such as Russia’s frequently have rigid and fragmented command-and-control structures because the political leadership does not trust the military leadership, and the military brass does not trust the rank and file. Such systems fail to successfully share information, discourage initiative, and prevent battlefield lessons from informing strategy or being incorporated into future military doctrine.

These structural deficiencies are part of the Russian military’s DNA. They help explain why some of the hardest lessons Russia learned in other conflicts—in Chechnya, for instance, about the difficulties of urban warfare, and in Syria about the benefits of flexible and responsive command and control—are being learned anew in Ukraine after staggering losses in personnel and equipment. The Russian military is learning and adapting in its own way, but it remains to be seen whether it is capable of real transformational change.

Russia’s learning is not Kyiv’s only obstacle. The slow pace of Ukraine’s counteroffensive also partly reflects the inherent difficulties of conducting large-scale joint offensive military operations against an entrenched enemy, as well as the delays in getting the right weapons and materiel to the forces on the ground. But the adjustments Russia’s military has made are clearly hindering Ukrainian progress, as well.

These challenges and adjustments do not mean that Ukraine’s counteroffensive is failing, and they certainly do not mean that Russia is poised to win. Instead, they mean that Ukraine will need patience from its partners as it tries to wear down its enemy. The West will need to recalibrate its expectations to match reality, which is that this is a war of attrition. In the near term, NATO states must continue transferring weapons and other capabilities to Ukraine. They will need to give Kyiv political and military support for the long term, as well. More than anything, what Ukraine needs right now is time.


  • MARGARITA KONAEV is Deputy Director of Analysis at the Center for Security and Emerging Technology.

  • OWEN J. DANIELS is the Andrew W. Marshall Fellow at the Center for Security and Emerging Technology.
 
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Puolalaisen kenraalin Rajmund Andrzejczak mukaan NATO:n tulisi olla agressiivisempi ryssän kanssa. Sanoo itsekin että eskalaation kanssa pitää olla varovainen, mutta toisaalta ei saa olla liian varovainen - koska ryssä näkee sen heikkoutena.

Hänellä on paljon sanottavaa, mutta lainaan yhden kohdan:

Andrzejczak also warned that if Ukraine lost the war and Belarus went further into Russia’s orbit, Poland would find that limiting defence spending to 5% of its gross domestic product and a standing army of 300,000-strong would not be enough.

Eli jos Ukraina häviäisi sodan ryssälle ja Valko-Venäjä ajautuu tiiviimmin ryssän kontrolliin, niin tällöin hänen mukaansa ei voida rajoittaa Puolan puolustusmenoja 5% GDP:stä ja pitää armeijan koko 300 000:ssa - nämä eivät ole riittäviä Puolan turvallisuuden varmistamiseksi.

Spoilerin takana artikkelin teksti kokonaisena (artikkeli julkaistu 6.9.2023):

Nato should respond more aggressively to Russia, says Polish general​

Rajmund Andrzejczak also said North Korea will not sell weapons to Russia without agreement of China

Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor

Wed 6 Sep 2023 16.14 BST


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ely-russia-polish-general-rajmund-andrzejczak

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Nato should respond more aggressively to Russia, says Polish general​

Rajmund Andrzejczak also said North Korea will not sell weapons to Russia without agreement of China


Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor

Wed 6 Sep 2023 16.14 BST



Vladimir Putin’s “gangster”-like nuclear threats require Nato to adopt a much more aggressive response, including flying more aircraft with nuclear weapons, the chief of the general staff of the Polish armed forces urged on Tuesday.

Gen Rajmund Andrzejczak also said he did not think North Korea would be preparing to sell weapons to Russia without the agreement of China.

“I don’t believe North Korea is strong enough or so free to make such an offer, so maybe it is testing our determination, attention and political will, but what is even more important is what China says about this than the North Korean leadership.”
Washington briefed this week that it believed Putin was preparing to buy weapons from Pyongyang.

Andrzejczak also predicted that Russia would try to create a crisis in next month’s Polish election but gave no details in public. He warned that Russia was on a permanent war footing and was “very much active in Poland, looking for some gaps in the system, trying to interfere in the media”.

Andrzejczak also warned that if Ukraine lost the war and Belarus went further into Russia’s orbit, Poland would find that limiting defence spending to 5% of its gross domestic product and a standing army of 300,000-strong would not be enough.

“If we lose credibility as Nato, as a civilisation, China is watching, so this is a big game,” he said.

He was speaking at the Karpacz Economic Forum in Poland, during which he urged his audience to think of the long-term economic cost of Ukraine’s military defeat.

Referring to the repeated Russian threats to use nuclear weapons and the stationing of Russian tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus, Andrzejczak likened Russia to a gangster bringing guns to the table, and said the west by comparison was arriving unarmed in a panama shirt.

He said: “It looks like we are dealing with the gangsters, crazy bad boys. Everyone has gone to the park smoking cigars, the gangsters are putting guns on the table and we are in panama T-shirts and saying: ‘Well, I have got a gun, but I left mine at home, and my wife does not like the word.’

“Nato is a nuclear treaty organisation; it should be much more proactive and stronger to the Russians.

“In the 70s and 80s, 30% of B-52 bombers were flying permanently and had nuclear weapons with pilots ready to act. Today we have a challenge to say the word B61 [the primary US thermonuclear gravity bomb], so let us change narratives.

“What is wrong with us? Russia is still the same and we have a situation in a neighbouring country where Russia is saying publicly it is putting nuclear systems in Belarus and what are we doing in our panama T-shirt?

“I don’t want to escalate too much, but what is wrong with our vocabulary? Nato is a nuclear organisation. Full stop.”

He said there had been complete silence since Poland’s president, Andrzej Duda, asked to join Nato’s nuclear sharing programme owing to the deployment of Russian nuclear missiles to Belarus.

Nuclear sharing is part of Nato’s policy of nuclear deterrence, which allows member countries without nuclear weapons to take part in planning for their use by Nato. The weapons are hosted by certain countries but remain under the control of the US.

Andrzejczak also questioned whether Nato had decided what to do about an attack on Nato territories mounted by the Wagner group, including whether it would invoke its Article 5 self-defence clause by attributing the attack to Russia.

He asked: “Who is the Wagner group today? Is it a national action by Russia or, as the Russian minister of defence says, just a private military company? Is it enough for Article 5?”

He said the issue was very sensitive for Poland because “we have no time and no space”.

“We are facing a direct border with Kaliningrad and Belarus. This is not cold war 2.0 any more,” he added.


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Puolasta puheenollen, he ovat jatkaneet ostoksia: tällä kertaa allekirjoitettu sopimus noin 1 700 kpl FlyEye-dronen hankinnasta (lainatun artikkelin mukaan kyseessä on puolalaisen firman drone, jota on käytetty Ukrainassa)

Poland has purchased up to >1600 #FlyEye UAVs from @WBGroup_PL, a framework agreement has been signed at #MSPO2023, @Defence24pl reports

 
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Dronentorjunnasta tuolla Ukraina-ketjussa:
Eiköhän paras dronentorjuja olisi drone, joka voisi törmätä ja tuhota vihollisen droneja? Tällöin ei olisi kertakäyttöinen härpäke. Isot vahvistetut teräspotkurit kärkeen, suojatut ilmanottoaukot ja ei muuta kuin törmäys törmäyksen perään niin ainakin pienemmän dronet tippuvat vauhdilla. Isompia kohtaan voisi sitten olla itsemurhaversiona itsensä uhraten. Jotain AI:tä siihen, että osoitetaan kohde ja hahmontunnistin pitää kohteen pilkillä koko ajan sitä seuraten ja heippa inertia ja potkurit hoitavat loput. COTS systeemiä kehiin niin ei hintakaan nouse kohtuuttomaksi. Luulisi joku Raspin olevan riittävästi tehoja omaava moiseen hommaan.
 
Esitän nyt jotain niin saatanan tyhmää, että toivon, että ette tukehdu nauruun tai modet bännää täältä vittuilusta. Olen ihan vakavissani:
- Eikö Ukrainan kannattaisi kylvää jotain hiton nopeakasvuista kasvustoa tuonne pitkin peltoja jne. ryssän alueille vaikka dronesta siemeniä tiputtamalla, esim. pajua tai vaikka bambua? Ideana tietenkin antaa näkösuojaa tulevaa hyökkäystä varten. Antaa toki täysikasvuinen viljakasvustokin hieman suojaa, mutta on kovin köykäistä. Paju kasvaa 2m vuodessa tuolla. Jos olisi aloitettu vaikka puoli vuotta sitten, olisi jo kiva kasvusto pitkin ja poikin siellä antamassa suojaa hyökkäystä varten. Toki puolustajakin niistä hyötyy hieman, mutta vähemmän kuin hyökkääjä mielestäni.

Tuli vaan mieleen tuosta, että Suomessahan ei ole vissiin tajuttu, että ei pitäisi edes sen hirvivaaran vuoksi leikata metsiä ja kasvustoja pääteiden varsilta joka hiton paikasta niin huolellisesti, vaan olisi järkevää ihan maanpuolustuksellisista syistä rajoittaa hakkuita esim. 200m päästä pääteistä aivan minimiin...meillä toki puolustuksellisen ajattelun vuoksi, ei suinkaan auttamaan hyökkääjää. Mutta sama periaate: Annetaan kasvuston kasvaa ja antaa suojaa siellä missä sitä eniten tarvitaan.
 
Tuli vaan mieleen tuosta, että Suomessahan ei ole vissiin tajuttu, että ei pitäisi edes sen hirvivaaran vuoksi leikata metsiä ja kasvustoja pääteiden varsilta joka hiton paikasta niin huolellisesti, vaan olisi järkevää ihan maanpuolustuksellisista syistä rajoittaa hakkuita esim. 200m päästä pääteistä aivan minimiin...meillä toki puolustuksellisen ajattelun vuoksi, ei suinkaan auttamaan hyökkääjää. Mutta sama periaate: Annetaan kasvuston kasvaa ja antaa suojaa siellä missä sitä eniten tarvitaan.
Toisaalta se tekisi sodan uhan alla tai sodassa tarvittavista raivauksista oleellisesti raskaampia ja PST-aseille olisi hyvin vaikea löytää sopivia ampumasektoreita.
 
Toisaalta se tekisi sodan uhan alla tai sodassa tarvittavista raivauksista oleellisesti raskaampia ja PST-aseille olisi hyvin vaikea löytää sopivia ampumasektoreita.
Kyllä sieltä peltoja piisaa aina joissa on näkymä tielle tai muutamaa puuta vajaa näkymä tielle ja ihan hyvä, jos PST-aseet sijoitetaan vähintään parisadan metrin päähän tiestä, niin eipä jää tulijyrän alle automaattisesti ja irtautuminen on helpompaa. Jos kaatamatonta metsää on joka kohdassa tien vieressä, niin tien suluttaminen helpottuu, kun voi kaataa puita sinne vaikka 150 kilometrin matkalta kun ne on siinä vieressä, eikä tarvitse raahata niitä siihen - ja niin ne hakkaamattomat metsät antavat myös sille toiminnalle suojaa - avohakattu alue ei anna.
 
Esitän nyt jotain niin saatanan tyhmää, että toivon, että ette tukehdu nauruun tai modet bännää täältä vittuilusta. Olen ihan vakavissani:
- Eikö Ukrainan kannattaisi kylvää jotain hiton nopeakasvuista kasvustoa tuonne pitkin peltoja jne. ryssän alueille vaikka dronesta siemeniä tiputtamalla, esim. pajua tai vaikka bambua? Ideana tietenkin antaa näkösuojaa tulevaa hyökkäystä varten. Antaa toki täysikasvuinen viljakasvustokin hieman suojaa, mutta on kovin köykäistä. Paju kasvaa 2m vuodessa tuolla. Jos olisi aloitettu vaikka puoli vuotta sitten, olisi jo kiva kasvusto pitkin ja poikin siellä antamassa suojaa hyökkäystä varten. Toki puolustajakin niistä hyötyy hieman, mutta vähemmän kuin hyökkääjä mielestäni.

Tuli vaan mieleen tuosta, että Suomessahan ei ole vissiin tajuttu, että ei pitäisi edes sen hirvivaaran vuoksi leikata metsiä ja kasvustoja pääteiden varsilta joka hiton paikasta niin huolellisesti, vaan olisi järkevää ihan maanpuolustuksellisista syistä rajoittaa hakkuita esim. 200m päästä pääteistä aivan minimiin...meillä toki puolustuksellisen ajattelun vuoksi, ei suinkaan auttamaan hyökkääjää. Mutta sama periaate: Annetaan kasvuston kasvaa ja antaa suojaa siellä missä sitä eniten tarvitaan.
Meinaatko, että mahdollisia suluttamisia ei olisi mietitty ennalta yhtään ja vasta tilanteen eskaloituessa alettaisiin miettiä vaihtoehtoja?
 
^ Nyt kipin kapin kopin ne Suomen sata bemaria Ukrainaan ja liittolaiselta käytettyjä Bradleytä tilalle. Ei olisi pikkujuttu logistiikan kannalta, mutta i) Bradleyssä miehistö säilyy paremmin hengissä, ja ii) ryssä-bemarit on ryssä-bemareita.

Muoks uusimmassa Panssari -lehdessä Pekka Toveri totesi ukrainalaisilla olevan huutava pula nimenomaan ryntövaunuista. Sinne tarpeeseen! Saa suorittaa.
 
^ Nyt kipin kapin kopin ne Suomen sata bemaria Ukrainaan ja liittolaiselta käytettyjä Bradleytä tilalle. Ei olisi pikkujuttu logistiikan kannalta, mutta i) Bradleyssä miehistö säilyy paremmin hengissä, ja ii) ryssä-bemarit on ryssä-bemareita.

Muoks uusimmassa Panssari -lehdessä Pekka Toveri totesi ukrainalaisilla olevan huutava pula nimenomaan ryntövaunuista. Sinne tarpeeseen! Saa suorittaa.
Eikö parempi vaikutus saataisi sillä että ostetaan sata Bradley ja annetaan ne Ukrainalle?
 
^ Nyt kipin kapin kopin ne Suomen sata bemaria Ukrainaan ja liittolaiselta käytettyjä Bradleytä tilalle. Ei olisi pikkujuttu logistiikan kannalta, mutta i) Bradleyssä miehistö säilyy paremmin hengissä, ja ii) ryssä-bemarit on ryssä-bemareita.

Muoks uusimmassa Panssari -lehdessä Pekka Toveri totesi ukrainalaisilla olevan huutava pula nimenomaan ryntövaunuista. Sinne tarpeeseen! Saa suorittaa.
CV90 ruotsin varastosta tilalle..
 
CV90 ruotsin varastosta tilalle..
No eikös nekin (CV9040) kannata lähettää suoraan Ukrainaan, kun niitä siellä jo on ja niissä lienee pääaseena Bofors:n 40 mm kanuuna, jota meillä ei ole ainakaan pst-varustuksessa (nuoliammus tai se ohjatusti (kellolla vissiin) räjähtävä ammus). Jos olisi 30 mm ase (CV9030) +ampumatarviketta niin sitten ehkä.
 
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No eikös nekin (CV9040) kannata lähettää suoraan Ukrainaan, kun niitä siellä jo on ja niissä lienee pääaseena Bofors:n 40 mm kanuuna, jota meillä ei ole ainakaan pst-varustuksessa (nuoliammus tai se ohjatusti (kellolla vissiin) räjähtävä ammus). Jos olisi 30 mm ase (CV9030) +ampumatarviketta niin sitten ehkä.
Ai niin ,tarkoitin Sveitsiläiset CV: t meille tilalle.
 
Näkisimpä sen päivän, että Suomi julkisesti ilmoittaisi lähettävänsä 100 bemaria aseapuna Ukrainaan.

Miksi ollaan hiljaa mitä aseita Suomi on sinne antanut, vieläkö kumarrellaan itänaapuria kohden jotta emme provosoi?

Noiden bemarien käyttöikää on jo jatkettu hiukan väkisin, tyhjää parempana ja ennen kuin kukaan ajatteli sodan syttyvän euroopassa. Bemarit Ukrainaan ja länsikalustoa tilalle, käsittääkseni tuosta saa jopa kohtuullisen korvauksen.
 
Näkisimpä sen päivän, että Suomi julkisesti ilmoittaisi lähettävänsä 100 bemaria aseapuna Ukrainaan.

Miksi ollaan hiljaa mitä aseita Suomi on sinne antanut, vieläkö kumarrellaan itänaapuria kohden jotta emme provosoi?

Noiden bemarien käyttöikää on jo jatkettu hiukan väkisin, tyhjää parempana ja ennen kuin kukaan ajatteli sodan syttyvän euroopassa. Bemarit Ukrainaan ja länsikalustoa tilalle, käsittääkseni tuosta saa jopa kohtuullisen korvauksen.
Ei vaan kyse lienee enemmän siitä, että ei halua antaa mitään suoraa listaa itänaapurille siitä mitä on vähistä varastoista toimitettu muualle ennen kuin korvaavat hankinnat ovat valmistuneet. Meillä on monessa asejärjestelmässä menty niin ohuella, että jos sellaisia annétaan muualle eikä korvaavaa ole tilalle syntyy puolustukseen väistämättä aukkoja. Kun katsoo oikeasti esim. pasien tai muiden panssaroitujen vehkeiden määriä kuten vaikka panssarivaunuja niin Suomen määrät olisi varmasti kulututettu muutamassa kuukaudessa Ukrainassa.
 
Ilmayliherruudesta droneyliherruuteen

Tällä hetkellä kummallakaan osapuolella ei ole ilmayliherruutta, eikä F-16 sitä tilannetta muuta. Kumpikin osapuoli pystyy silti seuraamaan droneilla vastapuolen toimintaa ja iskemään droneilla vestapuolen kimppuun. Dronet kun on uhrattavissa, lentäjät ei. Pattitilanne rintamalla purkautuu vain, jos toinen osapuoli pystyy eliminoimaan vastapuolen drone-uhkan. Tässä pitäisi suomessakin olla nyt vakasvasti hereillä. Miten pysäytämme parven lancetteja? FPV-drone lähettää videota radioteitse, ja dronen ohjaaja ohjauskäskyjä. Kumpikin on mahdollsista paikantaa, jos radiosignaali saadaan purettua. Suomessa on paljon radiotekniikan asiantuntijoita, joiden asiantuntemus on jäänyt tarpeettomaksi nokian tuhon jäljiltä. Tässä olisi tuotekehityksen paikka.
 
Ukrainan vastahyökkäykseen osallistuvat sotilaat kuvailevat Svenska Dagbladetin laajassa artikkelissa rehellisin sanoin kokemuksiaan jo puolitoista vuotta kestäneestä sodasta. Svd:n kirjeenvaihtaja, kirjailija Mustafa Can toteaa ukrainalaisten rohkeuden ja kestokyvyn tehneen vaikutuksen koko maailmaan, mutta hän muistuttaa menestyvän vastahyökkäyksen vaativan Ukrainan joukoilta suuria uhrauksia.

 
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