Uusi taistelijan ase

Voisiko haulikoita käsitellä omassa otsikossaan. Taistelijan aseeksi niistä ei ole vaikka varusmiehet niihin tutustuvatkin. Tämä otsikko kuolee näihin rönsyihin.

Lisäys: kaikissa asutuskeskustaisteluun harjoittavissa verusmiesten erikoisjoukoissa aina kansainv.valmiusjoukkoihin tutustutaan haulikon käyttöön ja aihe tuntuu kiinnostavan niin en siis väheksy aihetta vaan se ansainnee oman ketjun.
 
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Eikö OT:ta saada torjuttua pistoolilla, haulikolla tai yhtään millään, ei edes moderaattorilla?
Ketjuhan on Uusi taistelijan ase

No ei kyllä pystytä, vaikka takana
olisi atomitykkipatteri antamassa
tulitukea. :cool:

Aiheesta veeteetee huomauttaa,
joten siirrytään otsikonmukaiseen
työjärjestykseen. Haulikoita tarvi-
taan nykyään lähinnä PERKissa,
jotta voidaan hallita sotahalutto-
mien mahdollisia kotiinlähtöelkeitä.

:D
 
Voisiko haulikoita käsitellä omassa otsikossaan. Taistelijan aseeksi niistä ei ole vaikka varusmiehet niihin tutustuvatkin. Tämä otsikko kuolee näihin rönsyihin.

Lisäys: kaikissa asutuskeskustaisteluun harjoittavissa verusmiesten erikoisjoukoissa aina kansainv.valmiusjoukkoihin tutustutaan haulikon käyttöön ja aihe tuntuu kiinnostavan niin en siis väheksy aihetta vaan se ansainnee oman ketjun.

...joka onkin jo olemassa, joten tosiaan käytetään sitä. http://maanpuolustus.net/threads/haulikko-sotilaskäytössä.2126/
 
Krissin uutuuksia SHOT Shown mediapäiviltä. Varsin seksikäs 10mm konepistooli sekä myös karbiinina.

 
Viimeksi muokattu:
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22 Nosler - 55gr - 3350 fps/1021.08mps 18 tuuman piipulla
Nosler Match - 77gr - 3350fps/1021mps 18 tuuman piipulla


Nosler Inc. announced today the release of the 22 Nosler®, a new cartridge designed to transform any standard AR-15 into the fastest, most powerful .22 caliber available for the platform, with the least amount of modification. The new addition to Nosler’s cartridge family, which also features optimized 6.5mm, 7mm, 30 caliber and .338 magnum class rounds, delivers 30% more energy and is nearly 300 fps faster than a 223 Remington/ 5.56 NATO .
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...2-nosler-fastest-22-cartridge-ar-15-platform/
 
Ranskan 416 hankinnoista.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/16/details-heckler-koch-hk416f-france/
More details of the Heckler & Koch HK416F for France
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AR-15, Companies, News, NFA / Suppressors / Class III, Optics, Rifles, Shooting Accessories by Eric B with 3 Comments
Tags: FAMAS, felin, france, G36, H&K 416 Française, Heckler & Koch, HK269, HK269F, HK416F, HS Product, VHS


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As TFB has reported before France will phase out the FAMAS rifle, of which they have about 400,000 pieces of in the F1 and upgraded G1 variant. The FAMAS has been in service for over 30 years.

For a period of over 10 years France will phase in the Heckler & Koch HK416F, in two different versions, to soldiers in the Army, Air Force and Navy.

Arme Individuelle Future (AIF)”, which roughly translates to Individual Firearm for the Future.

According to the French Ministry of Defense 93 080 pieces of Heckler & Koch 416F will be delivered between 2017 and 2028.

By 2022 half of the H&K firearms should have been delivered.

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The total contract with Heckler & Koch is worth EUR 168 million (USD 177 million)

The breakdown of deliveries is as follows:

38 505 units will be the HK416F Standard version.

54 575 units will be of the HK416F Short version, with the note; “Will have the same performance as the standard version up to 200 meters. No possibility to use a 40 mm grenade launcher.” (there’s no space)

So the majority will be the HK416F (Court) Short, with an 11″ barrel, which might come as a surprise.

The picture mentions that out of the 38 505 HK416F Standard, 14 915 pieces will be “Felinaized“.

“FÉLIN” (Fantassin à Équipement et Liaisons Intégrés) translates to about “Integrated Infantryman Equipment and Communications”, which is the French Infantry Combat System. I’m not sure exactly what that means in terms of specification for the HK416F, but my understanding is that this is a higher grade, potentially with Night vision capability, or a batch going to special units.

5 000 units are supposed to be delivered in 2017.

Other accessories and various components, as well as training and services will run for some 15 years as well.

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Above: Magazines, bipod, sling, bayonette, protection cap, blank firing parts etc. is part of the package from HK.



H&K 416 Française – Specifications in short:

Based on the HK416 A5 with a cold-hammered barrel, six grooves and a right hand spin

HK416F Standard <90 cm (14.5″ barrel)

Weight: 4 kg

HK416F Short <80 cm (11″ barrel)

Weight: 3,7 kg

The color will be black, with the option of RAL8000.

France will also get 10,767 pieces of the HK269F (40 x 46 mm) grenade launchers, which most likely equates as one per group. The grenade launcher can be seen on the picture below.

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Optics:

In terms of optics, the information states that it will be possible to re-uses the current optics used on the FAMAS rifles.

In other words, like many other armies, the French also have to run lean and re-use what is already available.

That would be the French Scrome J4 optic, which is a 4× magnification scope. More details here.

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“The J4 F1sight is designed to equip the FAMAS and MINIMI assault rifles used by the French Army.
The integrated NATO interface and the large eye relief provide ideal shooting configurations using
either rifle, in any situation. The reticle allows for both types of shooting, instinctive and precision,
up to 600 metres, and bears markings to facilitate observation. Optionally, the reticle can be illuminated.”

The Aimpoint for the FAMAS is also mentioned. I’m unsure which version, but looks C4 COMP like.

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There’s also an optic called “Pirat”, but I’ve been unable to find any details. There’s also pictures of the FAMAS with EOTechs on them.

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Unknown optical sight on the FAMAS.



HK416F Short 11″ barrel.



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HK416F Standard 14.5″ barrel.

The stock is available with the concave recoil pad as well.

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The other candidates for the French tender apart from the HK416 A5 were the FN Herstal SCAR-L, the VHS and VHS K-2 from HS Product (Croatia), the SIG Sauer MCX and the ARX from Beretta.



I think the reason why the French Army went for the shorter 11″ barrel is because they’re used to the smaller size, having lived and fought with the bullpup FAMAS for over 30 years. With the picture below as a reference it’s perhaps easier to understand why. I have never shot the FAMAS, but I have a feeling that it’s not the best rifle on the market for distances over 200 meters, so even the HK416F Short will outperform it.

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From the HK Press Release in 2016.

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/pres...lects-the-hk416-as-its-new-assault-rifle.html

With France (HK416F), Germany (G36), Great Britain (SA80), Norway (HK416) Spain (G36) and Lithuania (G36), Heckler & Koch supplies many Armies across Europe with their standard assault rifles.

As noted in the Press Release, things seem to develop rather well for the HK sales department.

What surprises me is the long delivery time for the HK 416F. Without insight it’s impossible to know, it could be the wish of the buyer to be able to phase in a new system.

I have no idea of the capacity of HK and their factories, but one speculation is that they are close to maximum production. If true, it could be an issue for other countries looking to buy the HK 416 and other HK rifles.

With some math, the figures stated above give us that HK will deliver 23 270 rifles per year in the first 5 years which sounds more than doable. But that’s just one customer.

What happens if Germany also choose the HK416? The rumor is that at least the German Special Forces are out looking for a new carbine, more about that next week at TFB.

Possibly Sweden and other countries as well. For instance, the Swedish Ak5 has been in service for over 31 years and there is a program to replace it.
 
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The Saxony Police in Germany gets an Anit-Terror package from the Minister of Interior.

The package is worth 15 million Euro according to Sachsen.de. and contains 7 armored Toyota Land Cruiser V8s, ballistic helmets, plate carriers, Haenel CR223 (AR-15) in 5,56 mm and 9 mm Heckler & Koch SFP9s.

To the best of my knowledge, after detailed checks of these pictures, the rifles are semi-automatic only.

The HK SFP9 was already introduced last year, and the phase-in delivery is expected to finish in 2018.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...kage-german-police-haenel-cr223-ar15-hk-sfp9/
 
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Umarex is now offering what it claims to be is the “most lethal air gun hunting ammunition ever created.” That’s a pretty big claim, so lets take a look at what the new Havox ammo is.

Havox is made for small bore air gun hunting. The projectiles are made of specially drawn pure copper that have cuts machined in the business end. When striking soft tissue, the machined cuts allow the copper to open up creating six petals. The petals have “razor sharp cutting edges” and create a “massive wound channel in the target.” Expansion size is said to be twice its original diameter.

The .177 caliber Havox projectile is 7 grains in weight and penetrates 3″ in synthetic gelatin. Both .22 caliber and .25 caliber pellets are also available. The .22 weighs 10.9 grains and penetrates about 3.5″. The larger .25 caliber pellet weighs almost 20 grains and penetrates 4″.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/23/umarex-havox-ammo/

Aika rimpulaksi jää tuo haavakanava.
 
Minusta ilmakiväärin luodit ovat jo liian kaukana aiheesta "uusi taistelijan ase".

Miksi? Onko tämä pelkkä 556/762 kanava missä ei voi puhua mistään muusta aiheesta, mutta silti .22 puhutaan vakavasti. Tässä kohtaa pointti on design, ei sen koko. Mutta huomiona voin sanoa että maailmalta löytyy ihan vakavia ilmakivääreitä, kuin tämän asian nauramisessa. Jos on asiaa, niin please, esitä perustelu, elä lyttää.
 
Miksi? Onko tämä pelkkä 556/762 kanava missä ei voi puhua mistään muusta aiheesta, mutta silti .22 puhutaan vakavasti. Tässä kohtaa pointti on design, ei sen koko. Mutta huomiona voin sanoa että maailmalta löytyy ihan vakavia ilmakivääreitä, kuin tämän asian nauramisessa. Jos on asiaa, niin please, esitä perustelu, elä lyttää.

Ketjun nimi on "taistelijan ase".

Minkä maailman asevoimista löytyy taistelijan aseena ilmakivääri? Pienoiskivääri kyllä löytyy Israelista, mutta mellakkahommissa.

Kyykkää jo pahasti nuo ammukset Haagin etc. sopimusta vastaan.
 
Määrittele taistelijan ase, please?

Taistelija on taistelutoimiin osallistuva, yleensä sotilas.

Poliisi on järjestyksenpitoon osallistuva, yleisesti siviilivirkamies.

Tietyt sopimukset eivät salli edellisille moisia ammuksia, jälkimmäisille kyllä.
 
Taistelijan naamalle voisi tulla aika jännä ilme kun perustamisvaiheessa hänelle löytäisiin käsiin ilmakivääri. Oli sitten .177 tai .22 kaliiperia.
 
Taistelija on taistelutoimiin osallistuva, yleensä sotilas.

Poliisi on järjestyksenpitoon osallistuva, yleisesti siviilivirkamies.

Tietyt sopimukset eivät salli edellisille moisia ammuksia, jälkimmäisille kyllä.

Mitkä sopimukset? Ja miten tuo on vastaus määritelmään taistelija ase?
 
Oli sitten .177 tai .22 kaliiperia.

Kuten sanoin kyse ei ole koosta, eikä siitä että kyseessä on ilmakiväärin luoti. Tai kyseinen luoti on pistetty ilmakivääristä läpi. Tämä olisi voitu laittaa isompaan vehkeeseen, ja lopputulos olisi erillainen. Hiemen tutki ilmakivääri aihetta ja mitä sieltä vakammasta päästä löytyy.

Tämän takia otin henkilökohtaisesta banaania koska tällä foorumilla on niin vitun vaikea puhua mistään aiheesta järkevästi. Hyvin harvoja edes kiinnostaa R&D puuhat, siksi jatkan banaania.
 
Mitkä sopimukset? Ja miten tuo on vastaus määritelmään taistelija ase?

Jos et tunne yhtään sodankäynnin lainsäädäntöä, niin et ole asevelvollisuutta suorittanut.

Itse lähdit esittämään laajenevia (aka "hollow point") luoteja. Kiellettyjä sodassa:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Conventions_of_1899_and_1907
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_bullet#International_law

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III prohibits the use of expanding bullets in international warfare.[20][21] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited by the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the Declaration of St Petersburg in 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams.

The text of the declaration states that "The present Declaration is only binding for the Contracting Powers in the case of a war between two or more of them".[20] Until relatively recently, the prohibition on the use of expanding bullets was only applicable to international armed conflicts between the countries that have signed it. According to the International Committee of the Red Cross's customary international law study, customary international law now prohibits their use in any armed conflicts.[21][22] This has been disputed by the United States that maintains that the use of expanding bullets can be legal when there is a clear military necessity.[22] The adoption of an amendment to Article 8 at the Review Conference of the Rome Statute in Kampala makes the use of expanding bullets in non-international armed conflict a war crime.[21][23]
 
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