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Epäilemättä. Jotenkin tulee mieleen, että kyseinen virkamies on ollut sen 9 vuotta suojatyöpaikassaan ja hoitanut virkaansa toimistossaan istuen ja donitseja mussuttaen päivät pitkät. Ja sitten kun tuli eteen se tehtävä jota varten hänet on työhön palkattu, menee tämä lukkoon ja säntää itse ensimmäisenä rakennuksesta ulos jättäen tehtävänsä eli oppilaiden suojelemisen täyttämättä. No, silläkin uhalla että kuulostaa kovalta puheelta, niin itsepähän amerikkalaiset ovat itsensä tuohon jamaan saattaneet. Hoitakoot minun puolestani asiansa miten itse parhaaksi katsovat.
Kyllä tuo kuulostaa mielestäni myös asenteen puutteelta. Toki, jos luotto omaan koulutukseen ja varusteisiin ja osaamiseen on heikko, niin se sitten suoraan vaikuttaa varmasti myös asenteeseen.
Kertonee kuitenkin siitä, etteivät nuo 20.000 aseistettua suojamiestä kouluissa ole välttämättä ratkaisu, tai Trumpin ehdotus opettajien aseistamisesta.
Mutta kyllähän jenkit ovat aika mielenkiintoiseen umpikujaan itseään ajamassa. Todennäköisesti aika monisäikeinen ongelma. Toivottavasti löytävät tien ulos.
Kertonee kuitenkin siitä, etteivät nuo 20.000 aseistettua suojamiestä kouluissa ole välttämättä ratkaisu, tai Trumpin ehdotus opettajien aseistamisesta.
Mutta kyllähän jenkit ovat aika mielenkiintoiseen umpikujaan itseään ajamassa. Todennäköisesti aika monisäikeinen ongelma. Toivottavasti löytävät tien ulos.
Heikko koulutus ja huonot varusteet (oletettavasti lyhyellä käsiaseella AR-15 vastaan). "Pitkäpiippunenhan" tonne kouluun saatiin vasta tämän tilanteen jälkeen...
Olen hyvin skeptinen sen suhteen, että noista aseistautuneista vartijoista - tai niiden lukumäärän lisäämisestä - saataisiin mitään ratkaisua. He kun ovat tappolistalla ensimmäisenä, ja sen jälkeen muut ovat vapaata riistaa. Edit: Tai korkeintaan saadaan uutisointia, jossa tappaja on niittänyt jo 12 henkilöä ennen kuin vartija ehti hätiin...No, voidaan kai sanoa, että vartijasta oli hyötyä, mutta edelleen perusongelma jää jäljelle; kouluiskuja tehdään säännölliseen tahtiin.
Ratkaisua on haettava jenkeille epämiellyttävästä ratkaisusta, eli aselupien kiristämisestä. "Hope & prayers"-twiitit eivät nyt auta, vaan se ainoastaan siirtää lakimuutoksien tekoa eteenpäin, sillä ilman niitä seuraava kouluisku on jo ovella odottamassa.
Jep, aseet ovat yksi osa, toinen on sitten sen pohdinta, miksi jenkeissä ylipäänsä tapahtuu näitä. Epäilisin, että taustalla on myös muita, monisyisiä ongelmia liittyen jenkkiläiseen yhteiskuntaan. Polarisoitumista, osattomuutta, eriarvoisuutta, ongelmia perheissä, nuorissa, kouluissa jne. Tässäkin tapauksessa oli ilmeisesti tekijä saanut ja jakanut netissä runsain mitoin vihapuhetta, eikä kukaan ollut todennut, että "tuo ei nyt kuulosta kuule ihan järkevältä".
Hankala sanoa, mikä on ratkaisu, mutta aseistuksen lisääminen entisestään, vartijat, polisiivaltio etc tuskin ovat sitä.
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Viranomaiset kävi 39 kertaa tämän sankarin luona. Ilmeisesti painettiin villaisella, että saatiin kaunisteltua tilastoja. FBI sai 2 vihjettä. Hän omalla nimellään youtubessa kehuskeli haluavansa kouluampujaksi. Viranomaiset ilmoittivat, etteivät pystyneet selvittämään henkilöllisyyttä. Pisteenä i:n päälle paikalla ollut poliisi, jonka tehtävä oli suojella oppilaita ei jaksanut tehdä mitään.
Charles Murrayn kirja Coming Apart käsittelee jenkkilän muutoksia 1960-2010 välillä. Suosittelen lämpimästi.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-calls-cruzs-violence-threats-guns/366165002/
Florida school shooting: Sheriff got 18 calls about Nikolas Cruz's violence, threats, guns
USA Today NetworkBrett Murphy and Maria Perez, Naples
Published 2:14 a.m. ET Feb. 23, 2018 | Updated 6:16 a.m. ET Feb. 23, 2018
Nikolas Cruz, the man accused of shooting and killing 17 at a Florida high school was back in court Monday for a status hearing. (Feb. 19) AP
(Photo: Broward County Jail)
PARKLAND, Fla. — Broward County deputies received at least 18 calls warning them about Nikolas Cruz from 2008 to 2017, including concerns that he "planned to shoot up the school" and other threats and acts of violence before he was accused of killing 17 people at a high school.
The warnings, made by concerned people close to Cruz, came in phone calls to the Broward County Sheriff's Office, records show. At least five callers mentioned concern over his access to weapons, according to the documents. None of those warnings led to direct intervention.
In February 2016, neighbors told police that they were worried he “planned to shoot up the school” after seeing alarming pictures on Instagram showing Cruz brandishing guns.
About two months later, an unidentified caller told police that Cruz had been collecting guns and knives. The caller was “concerned (Cruz) will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making,” according to call details released by the Sheriff's Office.
More: Florida school shooting: Surrogate family told police Cruz made gun threats
More: 'Generation Columbine' has never known a world without school shootings
More: How the FBI handled two tips related to Nikolas Cruz
A second cousin asked police to take away Cruz's guns after his mom died Nov. 1. "Nikolas is reported to have rifles and it is requested that (deputies) recover these weapons," the dispatcher noted from the call.
The new details add to the growing list of red flags missed by law enforcement officials, including the FBI, in the months leading up to last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The FBI is reviewing why a tip last month called into the agency about Cruz's desire to kill people was not forwarded to Miami agents for investigation.
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel addresses the press during the first media briefing on Thursday, Feb. 15, 2018 outside of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. (Photo: Nicole Raucheisen/Naples Daily News)
The Sheriff’s Office has since opened two internal affairs investigations looking into whether its deputies followed the department’s standards after receiving two phone calls.
After the February 2016 call, a deputy forwarded the information to the Stoneman Douglas School Resource Officer, Deputy Scot Peterson.
“Third hand information received from neighbor’s son that Nikolas Cruz planned to shoot up the school on Instagram (Picture of juvenile with guns)," according to the notes from a dispatcher taking the call.
The deputy had "determined Nikolas Cruz possessed knives and a BB gun" before passing it along to Peterson. It's not clear what, if anything, Peterson did with the information.
More: Sales of bulletproof backpacks surge after Florida shooting, but how effective are they?
More: 'It's devastating': Cop stayed outside during Florida massacre while students died
Peterson, 54, retired after an internal investigation was launched into why he sat outside the school for about four minutes and never entered as the shooter killed students and staff.
Two deputies, Edward Eason and Guntis Treijis, have been placed on restricted administrative assignment, pending an investigation into how they handled calls, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said.
After the November call from a relative to the sheriff's office, deputies referred the caller to the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office. Cruz, 19, had moved in with a family in Lake Worth after his mother died.
But deputies there never investigated a potential threat at the new address, according to incident reports obtained by USA TODAY NETWORK — FLORIDA.
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People visit a makeshift memorial in front of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in, Parkland, Fla. on Feb. 20, 2018.
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In late November, Palm Beach County deputies responded to a battery call after Cruz punched Rock Deschamps, the 22-year-old son of Roxcanne Deschamps, who took him in after his mother died. Rock Deschamps told deputies he didn’t want to press charges.
In 2008, Broward deputies received their first call involving Cruz, 10 at the time, after a boy threw a rock at him and Cruz retaliated, records show.
The violent incidents became more frequent in Cruz’s adolescence.
In 2012, his mother called police after Cruz hit her with a "plastic hose from the vacuum cleaner," according to a summary of the call.
The summary noted the "matter resolved. No report initiated."
The next year Cruz’s mother called again after he threw her against the wall because she took away his Xbox game system.
A counselor at Henderson Behavioral Health responded and advised that involuntary commitment wasn’t warranted. Cruz "punched the wall because she took away his Xbox" another time, according to a summary of a call to deputies.
"Deputy responded. No crime identified by deputy," the dispatcher noted.
Nikolas Cruz appears in court for a status hearing before Broward Circuit Judge Elizabeth Scherer Feb. 19, 2018, in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Cruz is facing 17 charges of premeditated murder in the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. (Photo: Mike Stocker/South Florida Sun-Sentinel via AP, Pool)
Friends and relatives said Cruz — diagnosed with depression, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) and autism — had a long history of violent outbursts.
“He’d lose his temper, hit walls, throw things," said Paul Gold, a former boyfriend of Roxcanne Deschamps who had known Cruz for eight years and drove him to his mother’s funeral. "Not the kind of kid who’d you’d put a gun in his hand.”
Deputies also were told Cruz could be a danger to himself. On Sept. 28, 2016, deputies and social workers were called to Stoneman Douglas High School after receiving reports that Cruz had attempted suicide by drinking gasoline a week earlier and was cutting himself.
More: The Parkland survivors started a movement when they took on gun violence. Here's how it happened.
The Florida Department of Children and Families launched an investigation into the reported self-cutting and allegations of neglect that same day, according to a DCF report on the incident.
Authorities chose not to commit Cruz at the time under the Baker Act, a law in Florida that allows authorities to hospitalize people for mental evaluation. The decision came under the advisement of clinicians at Henderson Behavioral Health, which school counselors worried may have been "premature" in their advice, according to the DCF notes.
Florida school shooting: Sheriff got 18 calls about Nikolas Cruz's violence, threats, guns
USA Today NetworkBrett Murphy and Maria Perez, Naples
Published 2:14 a.m. ET Feb. 23, 2018 | Updated 6:16 a.m. ET Feb. 23, 2018
Nikolas Cruz, the man accused of shooting and killing 17 at a Florida high school was back in court Monday for a status hearing. (Feb. 19) AP
(Photo: Broward County Jail)
PARKLAND, Fla. — Broward County deputies received at least 18 calls warning them about Nikolas Cruz from 2008 to 2017, including concerns that he "planned to shoot up the school" and other threats and acts of violence before he was accused of killing 17 people at a high school.
The warnings, made by concerned people close to Cruz, came in phone calls to the Broward County Sheriff's Office, records show. At least five callers mentioned concern over his access to weapons, according to the documents. None of those warnings led to direct intervention.
In February 2016, neighbors told police that they were worried he “planned to shoot up the school” after seeing alarming pictures on Instagram showing Cruz brandishing guns.
About two months later, an unidentified caller told police that Cruz had been collecting guns and knives. The caller was “concerned (Cruz) will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making,” according to call details released by the Sheriff's Office.
More: Florida school shooting: Surrogate family told police Cruz made gun threats
More: 'Generation Columbine' has never known a world without school shootings
More: How the FBI handled two tips related to Nikolas Cruz
A second cousin asked police to take away Cruz's guns after his mom died Nov. 1. "Nikolas is reported to have rifles and it is requested that (deputies) recover these weapons," the dispatcher noted from the call.
The new details add to the growing list of red flags missed by law enforcement officials, including the FBI, in the months leading up to last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The FBI is reviewing why a tip last month called into the agency about Cruz's desire to kill people was not forwarded to Miami agents for investigation.
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel addresses the press during the first media briefing on Thursday, Feb. 15, 2018 outside of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. (Photo: Nicole Raucheisen/Naples Daily News)
The Sheriff’s Office has since opened two internal affairs investigations looking into whether its deputies followed the department’s standards after receiving two phone calls.
After the February 2016 call, a deputy forwarded the information to the Stoneman Douglas School Resource Officer, Deputy Scot Peterson.
“Third hand information received from neighbor’s son that Nikolas Cruz planned to shoot up the school on Instagram (Picture of juvenile with guns)," according to the notes from a dispatcher taking the call.
The deputy had "determined Nikolas Cruz possessed knives and a BB gun" before passing it along to Peterson. It's not clear what, if anything, Peterson did with the information.
More: Sales of bulletproof backpacks surge after Florida shooting, but how effective are they?
More: 'It's devastating': Cop stayed outside during Florida massacre while students died
Peterson, 54, retired after an internal investigation was launched into why he sat outside the school for about four minutes and never entered as the shooter killed students and staff.
Two deputies, Edward Eason and Guntis Treijis, have been placed on restricted administrative assignment, pending an investigation into how they handled calls, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said.
After the November call from a relative to the sheriff's office, deputies referred the caller to the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office. Cruz, 19, had moved in with a family in Lake Worth after his mother died.
But deputies there never investigated a potential threat at the new address, according to incident reports obtained by USA TODAY NETWORK — FLORIDA.
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People visit a makeshift memorial in front of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in, Parkland, Fla. on Feb. 20, 2018.
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In late November, Palm Beach County deputies responded to a battery call after Cruz punched Rock Deschamps, the 22-year-old son of Roxcanne Deschamps, who took him in after his mother died. Rock Deschamps told deputies he didn’t want to press charges.
In 2008, Broward deputies received their first call involving Cruz, 10 at the time, after a boy threw a rock at him and Cruz retaliated, records show.
The violent incidents became more frequent in Cruz’s adolescence.
In 2012, his mother called police after Cruz hit her with a "plastic hose from the vacuum cleaner," according to a summary of the call.
The summary noted the "matter resolved. No report initiated."
The next year Cruz’s mother called again after he threw her against the wall because she took away his Xbox game system.
A counselor at Henderson Behavioral Health responded and advised that involuntary commitment wasn’t warranted. Cruz "punched the wall because she took away his Xbox" another time, according to a summary of a call to deputies.
"Deputy responded. No crime identified by deputy," the dispatcher noted.
Nikolas Cruz appears in court for a status hearing before Broward Circuit Judge Elizabeth Scherer Feb. 19, 2018, in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Cruz is facing 17 charges of premeditated murder in the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. (Photo: Mike Stocker/South Florida Sun-Sentinel via AP, Pool)
Friends and relatives said Cruz — diagnosed with depression, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) and autism — had a long history of violent outbursts.
“He’d lose his temper, hit walls, throw things," said Paul Gold, a former boyfriend of Roxcanne Deschamps who had known Cruz for eight years and drove him to his mother’s funeral. "Not the kind of kid who’d you’d put a gun in his hand.”
Deputies also were told Cruz could be a danger to himself. On Sept. 28, 2016, deputies and social workers were called to Stoneman Douglas High School after receiving reports that Cruz had attempted suicide by drinking gasoline a week earlier and was cutting himself.
More: The Parkland survivors started a movement when they took on gun violence. Here's how it happened.
The Florida Department of Children and Families launched an investigation into the reported self-cutting and allegations of neglect that same day, according to a DCF report on the incident.
Authorities chose not to commit Cruz at the time under the Baker Act, a law in Florida that allows authorities to hospitalize people for mental evaluation. The decision came under the advisement of clinicians at Henderson Behavioral Health, which school counselors worried may have been "premature" in their advice, according to the DCF notes.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ts-bill-allow-guns-florida-schools/347743002/
Shooting boosts bill to allow guns in Florida schools
USA Today NetworkJames Call, Tallahassee Democrat
Published 12:39 a.m. ET Feb. 17, 2018 | Updated 12:46 a.m. ET Feb. 17, 2018
Several dozen students from South Broward High School took a public stand against gun violence Friday and for gun control. (Feb. 16) AP
(Photo: Florida House)
TALLAHASSEE — The deadly shooting at a Florida high school has given new life to a proposal in the state Legislature to end a ban on guns in schools.
A bill to allow a principal to designate someone to carry firearms on public school campuses will be heard Tuesday in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
It's an idea proposed by Republican Sen. Dennis Baxley, author of the nation’s first Stand Your Ground law. Before Wednesday's mass shooting, it had not been scheduled for consideration by any of the three committees to which it had been assigned.
GOP Sen. Greg Steube decided to bring it up for discussion in the wake of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., that left 17 people dead. Since first elected to the House in 2010, Steube has been the Legislature’s foremost opponent to gun-free zones.
More: What Florida law says about gun ownership
More: Florida high school shooting suspect will plead guilty if death penalty is not an option
More: Florida school shooting victims remembered as 'hero,' 'baby girl,' 'sweet angel'
"I don't feel gun-free zones protect anyone but criminals, and there is no evidence that says otherwise," said Steube when he filed a bill to allow guns into more areas after the 2017 Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood airport killings.
Top Senators quickly moved to put distance between themselves and the Baxley proposal. Republicans Bill Galvano and Wilton Simpson, the Senate’s designated leaders through 2022, told Politico they are not in favor of the proposal.
Senate President Joe Negron gives the Senate chairs autonomy to schedule hearings and whether to act on proposals. A day after the shooting, even before Steube's agenda was announced, Negron spoke to reporters about his push for more money for school safety and to allow district superintendents to act in their schools’ best interests.
“I would leave those decisions to individual school districts,” Negron said when asked about metal detectors, armed guards, and other school safety measures.
Steube persistently passed bills to repeal gun-free zones while in the House and watched them die in the Senate Judiciary Committee. Appointed the committee’s chair last session, his first in the Senate, Steube has tried unsuccessfully to expand gun rights and repeal gun-free zones.
He has been opposed by Miami-Dade Republicans who have sided with Democrats to block the proposals.
Shooting boosts bill to allow guns in Florida schools
USA Today NetworkJames Call, Tallahassee Democrat
Published 12:39 a.m. ET Feb. 17, 2018 | Updated 12:46 a.m. ET Feb. 17, 2018
Several dozen students from South Broward High School took a public stand against gun violence Friday and for gun control. (Feb. 16) AP
(Photo: Florida House)
TALLAHASSEE — The deadly shooting at a Florida high school has given new life to a proposal in the state Legislature to end a ban on guns in schools.
A bill to allow a principal to designate someone to carry firearms on public school campuses will be heard Tuesday in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
It's an idea proposed by Republican Sen. Dennis Baxley, author of the nation’s first Stand Your Ground law. Before Wednesday's mass shooting, it had not been scheduled for consideration by any of the three committees to which it had been assigned.
GOP Sen. Greg Steube decided to bring it up for discussion in the wake of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., that left 17 people dead. Since first elected to the House in 2010, Steube has been the Legislature’s foremost opponent to gun-free zones.
More: What Florida law says about gun ownership
More: Florida high school shooting suspect will plead guilty if death penalty is not an option
More: Florida school shooting victims remembered as 'hero,' 'baby girl,' 'sweet angel'
"I don't feel gun-free zones protect anyone but criminals, and there is no evidence that says otherwise," said Steube when he filed a bill to allow guns into more areas after the 2017 Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood airport killings.
Top Senators quickly moved to put distance between themselves and the Baxley proposal. Republicans Bill Galvano and Wilton Simpson, the Senate’s designated leaders through 2022, told Politico they are not in favor of the proposal.
Senate President Joe Negron gives the Senate chairs autonomy to schedule hearings and whether to act on proposals. A day after the shooting, even before Steube's agenda was announced, Negron spoke to reporters about his push for more money for school safety and to allow district superintendents to act in their schools’ best interests.
“I would leave those decisions to individual school districts,” Negron said when asked about metal detectors, armed guards, and other school safety measures.
Steube persistently passed bills to repeal gun-free zones while in the House and watched them die in the Senate Judiciary Committee. Appointed the committee’s chair last session, his first in the Senate, Steube has tried unsuccessfully to expand gun rights and repeal gun-free zones.
He has been opposed by Miami-Dade Republicans who have sided with Democrats to block the proposals.
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Yhdysvallat on minusta siinä mielessä erikoinen maa, että hyvin nopeasti näiden joukkosurmien jälkeen siellä palataan arkeen. Esimerkiksi Floridan osavaltion lainsäätäjät ovat päätyneet siihen, että porno on ilmiselvä terveysriski ja osavaltion asukkaita on varjeltava aikuisviihteen haitallisilta vaikutuksilta.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/02/21/florida-house-declares-porn-public-health-risk.html
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/02/21/florida-house-declares-porn-public-health-risk.html
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Konservatiivi Glenn Beck puhuu fiksuja. Vertaa Yhdysvaltain tämänhetkistä poliittista jakautumista Saksan Weimarin tasavallan tilanteeseen 1920-30-lukujen vaihteessa. Nehän tapahtumat sitten lopulta johtivat Hitlerin valtaannousuun. (Huom. tämä on historiallinen fakta).
Jenkkilän polarisaatio näkyy tälläkin foorumilla asti.
Jenkkilän polarisaatio näkyy tälläkin foorumilla asti.
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Aina vaan paranee ....
http://www.miamiherald.com/article201604224.html
Students in Louisiana thought this math symbol looked like a gun. Police were called
http://www.miamiherald.com/article201604224.html
Students in Louisiana thought this math symbol looked like a gun. Police were called
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Reagointi joukkomurhiin on ylipäätään tekopyhää. Asekieltoja vaaditaan piskuisessa Suomessa asti, kun jotakin tapahtuu Atlantin toisella puolella.
Keskivertoamerikkalaisen eliniän odote pitenisi huomattavasti enemmän laittamalla ruoka ankaran säännöstelyn alaiseksi kuin kieltämällä ampuma-aseet. Eikä terveydenhuollon saavutettavuuden ja tehokkuuden parantaminenkaan menisi hukkaan, Yhdysvallat käyttää terveydenhuoltoon harvinaisen paljon rahaa ja saa sille harvinaisen vähän vastinetta.
Ja vaikka haluttaisiin puuttua nimenomaan tähän yhteen, kokonaisuuden mittakaavassa pieneen ongelmaan, niin iso kysymys on, miksi tämä ilmiö on nyt levinnyt käsiin. Ampuma-aseita on ollut saatavilla iät ja ajat, Samuel Coltin päivistä lähtien. Bensan kaataminen liekkeihin ei edistä palon sammuttamista, mutta syttymisen ehkäiseminen olisi huomattavasti tehokkaampaa. Juurisyihin on pakko puuttua. Tekijöiltä pitää poistaa väkivaltaista käyttäytymistä luovat roolimallit, ts. väkivaltaviihde (pelit, elokuvat ym.), ja lisäksi heiltä pitää riistää teosta annettava palkinto, julkisuus. Nyt teoista uutisoidaan ja tekijästä pengotaan esille kaikki diagnooseja ja tyttöystäviä myöten. Kuka tahansa, tyhmin ja kurjinkin, pääsee kansainvälisiin otsikoihin lahtaamalla porukkaa enemmän kuin kahdessa kädessä on sormia. Tällainen ei voi jatkua enää minuuttiakaan!
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Kirjailija soitti poliisille nähtyään 'konfederaatio lipun', joka poliisin saavuttua paljastui Norjan lipuksi.
The Seattle Times investigated a tip by crime author Rebecca Morris who reported seeing a Confederate flag waving in the Greenwood area of Seattle
When investigators arrived on the scene they discovered a pole with the American flag and directly below it the Norwegian flag
The homeowner clarified that he is Norwegian-American and raised the national streamer to support the nation in the 2018 Winter Olympic Games
http://archive.is/aGkHp
The Seattle Times investigated a tip by crime author Rebecca Morris who reported seeing a Confederate flag waving in the Greenwood area of Seattle
When investigators arrived on the scene they discovered a pole with the American flag and directly below it the Norwegian flag
The homeowner clarified that he is Norwegian-American and raised the national streamer to support the nation in the 2018 Winter Olympic Games
http://archive.is/aGkHp
Miksi jenkeissä tapahtuu näitä? Meillä on ampuma-aseilla tapahtunut ainakin kolme koulusurmaa. eli Raumanmeri 1989, Jokela 2007 ja Kauhajoki 2008. Suhteutettuna jenkkien asukaslukuun, tuo olisi lähemmälti 180 koulusurmaa aseilla.
Ja jos joku väittää että tämä olisi joku uusi ilmiö jenkeissä, niin voi historiaan tutustua
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
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Luitko yhtään noita tapauksia? Ei näitä nykyajan "nuori sekopää yrittää tappaa mahdollisimman monta" tapauksia vanhemmilta ajoilta oikein löydy. Ennen 1900 lukua suurimmat uhriluvut näyttää tulleen tästä (poislukien intiaanien hyökkäys siirtomaa-aikaisessa Amerikassa): https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH18981213.2.55