Sitä suurempi tarve F35:n kauppiailla onnistua meidän kanssa. ;-)
Ilmavoimien tulevaisuus
- Viestiketjun aloittaja Museo
- Aloitus PVM
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- Tagit
- ilmavoimat tulevaisuus
Sveitsin osalta F-35 tuskin etenee RFI:tä pidemmälle, ellei Sveitsi luovu nykyisestä puolueettomuus-politiikasta ja itsenäisestä puolustuksesta(ALIS+raskashuolto ulkomailla). Lisäksi voi olettaa, että Sveitsi haluaa suorittaa tälläkin kertaa testilentoja, mikä on myös show-stopper.
Einomies1
Respected Leader
Siivet-lehdessä oli juuri juttu Italian F-35 tehtaasta jossa pyörät pyörii vajaatehoilla ja porukkaa ei ole tarpeeksi kun Alankomaat taisi supistaa omaa tilaustaan. Johan tulisi Camerin kokoonpanolinjalle vauhtia jos Sakemannit hankkisivat heti 50 kpl koneita...
- eiko Suomi(kin)?
Onhan testaasta paattamisen jalkeen Italian omakin tilaus "karsinyt karsintaa".
Voisi nain kuvitella; silloinhan tosin haettiin vahan eri suorituskykyja ( eli F-5:n korvaajaa). Tiedustelu sisaltyi yhtena; meidan Hornetit ei kai tiedustele?
Tuolta https://www.srf.ch/play/tv/-/video/...&station=69e8ac16-4327-4af4-b873-fd5cd6e895a7 loytyisi kaikki pisteytysvertailut graafeina, tassa ekapatkassa on vain ilmavalvonta (luftpolizei) naytteeksi
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...g-21-fighter-planes-ajit-doval/1/1086425.html
"The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said."
"India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years."
"The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said."
"India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years."
Yltä eroista. @Huhta ihmetteli joskus asiaa. Silloin tuli jo avattua eroja, mutta tuossa vielä Intian ilmavoimien kertomana.
- "Endurance" of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16.
- Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.
- --> "In other words, for target that needs about 36 bombs to be destroyed, one will have to deploy six Tejas as against just three Gripen or F-16," the IAF has told the government.
- The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16. --> The cost of maintaining the Tejas is much higher than the other fighters.
- Also, both the F-16 and Gripen has a life-span of 40 years against just 20 of Tejas.
- And, in some areas the vintage Russian made Mig-21 is better than Tejas, the IAF is understood to have told the government.
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Tämä oli aika yllättävä:
The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16.
Olisi hypetys antanut olettaa asian olevan toisin päin.
Joo, kiinnitin myös tuohon huomiota. Tuo F-16 lukema tuntuu liian alhaiselta.
Tuossa pari linkkiä.
http://www.mirage-jet.com/AIRFRAME/MAINTE_1/mainte_1.htm
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1021811
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Eiköhän Intian ilmavoimilla ole käsitys asiasta. Intiaan tarjottu malli on Block 70, linkeissäsi puhutaan vanhemmista malleista (A ja C Block 50). Olisi ihan loogista kehitystä jos uudempaa teknologiaa käyttävä versio vaatisi myös vähemmän huoltoa.
Huhta
Greatest Leader
Kun vanhat jutut nousevat esille, niin tässä voisi samalla vertailla F-16:n/Gripenin ja Rafalen payloadeja...
Mutta enpä taida viitsiä.
Se tarkoittaisi, että se olisi ylivoimaisesti vähiten työtunteja vaativa kone kaikista maailman sotilaslentokoneista.
Tuohon on monta selitystä, miksi se ei todennäköisesti ole niin. Mutta, jos löydät lisää dataa, joka osoittaisi sellaista, niin tutustutaan mielellään.
Kun vanhat jutut nousevat esille, niin tässä voisi samalla vertailla F-16:n/Gripenin ja Rafalen payloadeja...
Miksi et?
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Ei kai minulla mitään todistusvelvollisuutta ole Intian ilmavoimien esittämiin väitteisiin? Ehkä ovat totta, ehkä eivät. Tarkoitin vain sanoa, että linkkaamasi jutut joissa puhuttiin 20-30 vuotta vanhoista versioista eivät välttämättä kerro F-16:n nykyversion huoltotarpeesta ihan hirveästi. Eiköhän Gripeninkin huoltotarve ole pudonnut isosti Viggenin ajoista.
Lisää Malesiaa:
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...a-grounds-mig-29s-and-rethinks-future-fighter
"RMAF official said that Malaysia would defer further evaluation of an MRCA until at least 2025, because of budget constraints"
"In another change of policy, the service has grounded its remaining airworthy MiG-29s instead of upgrading them,"
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Ja Bulgariaa, joka alkaa hiukan haiskahtaa, että Ruotsalaiskoneen voitto ei sopinut hallituksen suunnitelmiin syventää USA-suhteita.
https://sofiaglobe.com/2017/11/10/d...aircraft-to-be-completed-by-end-of-july-2018/
"In recent months, the majority partner in government, Prime Minister Boiko Borissov’s GERB party, has been leaning towards an offer of F-16s from Portugal."
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...a-grounds-mig-29s-and-rethinks-future-fighter
"RMAF official said that Malaysia would defer further evaluation of an MRCA until at least 2025, because of budget constraints"
"In another change of policy, the service has grounded its remaining airworthy MiG-29s instead of upgrading them,"
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Ja Bulgariaa, joka alkaa hiukan haiskahtaa, että Ruotsalaiskoneen voitto ei sopinut hallituksen suunnitelmiin syventää USA-suhteita.
https://sofiaglobe.com/2017/11/10/d...aircraft-to-be-completed-by-end-of-july-2018/
"In recent months, the majority partner in government, Prime Minister Boiko Borissov’s GERB party, has been leaning towards an offer of F-16s from Portugal."
Huhta
Greatest Leader
Huhta
Greatest Leader
Malesian tilanteeseen liittyen voisi linkittää tämän:
LIFT, MRCA and More
Marhalim Abas November 8, 2017 Malaysia - RMAF
BANGKOK: LIFT, MRCA and more. Far from the rain and humidity of Southeast Asia, RMAF long term plan has finally been articulated.
At a Berlin conference on Tuesday, a two-star RMAF officer offered a glimpse into its current situation and the service’s view of the future.
Here are some of the talking points and not at ad verbatim.
In the immediate term, it needs to get at least ten more F/A-18 Hornet airframes though it remained to be seen whether they will get them at anytime soon.
M45-02 on finals on Sept. 29, 2017
The general said that they were mostly looking at the Kuwaiti Hornets as this was the most closest in term of specifications to its own Hornets. Ten single seaters will do nicely
High-hour Hornets though available, are not desirable.
Two Kuwait AF F/A-18C seen here with a couple of F-16s. Internet.
Another short term measure being look at is for the surveillance equipment onboard the three Beechcraft B200T be reinstalled on the CN-235s for them to serve as MPAs (As funding has not been announced we will have to see whether this will be done. ED)
RMAF Hawk Mk108 firing FZ rockets at the Army’s Live Firing Exercise 2017. Destini is the supplier of the FZ rockets and its ancillary equipment.
Looking to the future, as the MRCA program has been shelved beyond 2020, the RMAF was looking at newer alternatives to the current offerings. He says they are looking beyond the 4.5 generation fighters.
RMAF MB-339CM M34-20 in a picture taken at the Cope Taufan in 2014 at Butterworth.
As for the Hawks and MB-339s, the service is looking to replace them in a 15 year time period (likely the same time as the MRCA is selected ED). This should be in the TA/FA-50 class with two squadrons as the minimum.
ROKAF Black Eagles with their display.
On Monday, speaking to Malaysian journalists at the Defense and Security Exhibition here in Bangkok, RMAF chief Jen Affendi Buang says as the MPA program was just approved in the recent budget he cannot a give timeline for the purchase.
The front end of the Leonardo ATR 72MP of the Italian Air Force displayed at LIMA 17. Note the various antennas and sensors.
He says they have to work around the budget allocated which was RM2.6 billion. A technical group was being set up to determine the specifications of the MPA.
CN235 MPA of TNI-AL displayed at LIMA 2015.
He likened the process of the MPA program at the moment as at “the merisik khabar” or the query stage before marriage. “We know the end stage but this is just the beginning”.
RMAF CN235 M44-05 taxis past one of the new hangars built at Subang specifically for the A400M.
Asked whether it was reasonable to expect that the first MPA will be in service beyond 2020, Affendi says it was probable but it will be determined by when the allocation will be given.
He says an evaluation team was in Japan currently to inspect the P-3Cs offered to Malaysia.
Japan P-3C
Affendi says they have to decide whether it was worthwhile to put into service four 30-year old airframes even for a short time.
RMAF Beechcraft B200T MPA, M41-02
By coincidence, it must be noted that a JSMDF P-3C had undergone repairs at the Subang airbase recently. It flew in last week with another P-3C for an overnight stay.The other P-3C took off on schedule to Japan the next day but the other went un-servicable just prior to take off. The aircraft finally left for Japan earlier this week.
–Malaysian Defence
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/lift-mrca-and-more/#comment-288856
Miksi sitten pohdit niiden vertailua?
Aesa-tutka on se merkittävin muuttuja. Vaikuttaa jotain. Mutta ei kuitenkaan noin paljon todennäköisesti.
Pelkästään koneen tarkastus, huollot ja valmistelu lentoa varten aamulla vaativat noin 2-3 miestyötuntia. Siihen nähden 3,6 kuulostaa kovin alhaiselta.