Ok. Luotettavuus on tietysti tärkeätä kustannusten ohella.A400M kylläkin toisi huomattavan parannuksen logistisesti ja suorituskyvyn osalta verrattuna C-130J versioon. C-130J tietysti olisi varusteltavissa hyvin monipuolisesti esimerkiksi erikoisoperaatioon. Mitään puoli-ilmaista ja perusvärkkiä ei kannata ostaa jos jotakin ostaa, vaan 2 kpl monipuolisesti varusteltua versiota, joita voisi käyttää siviili- ja sotillaallisessa käytössä evakuointiin ja operaatioihin.
A400M olisi kantaisi suuremman kuorman kauemmaksi kuin C-130J Hercules, mutta 2X kalliimpi. Kun taas Embraer C-390 Millenium vaikuttaisi olevan minusta ainakin paperilla parempi suoritusarvoiltaan kuin C-130J ja halvempikin, mutta siinä menetettäisiin ruotsalaisten kanssa samanlaisten kuljetuskoneiden huolto yms yhteistyö etu. Jos siis oltaisiin hankkimassa suomelle omia isompia kuljetuskoneita, vaan voisko suomi olla mukana jollain tavalla noiden ruotsalaisten kuljetuskoneiden uusinnassa, sais sitä kautta kuljetuskapasitettia.
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Sweden replacing old C-130Hs with Italian C-130J airlifters
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Defense Brief Editorial
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June 12, 2022
Swedish defense ministry file photo of a C-130
The Swedish defense ministry has decided not to upgrade its ageing C-130H airlifter, opting instead for the purchase of newer Italian C-130J transport aircraft.
This was revealed by the defense ministry in the latest budget document update.
As detailed, the replacement is planned to be a gradual one, and would see Sweden initially buy four airframes from Italy. Two of the aircraft are set to arrive in Sweden in 2023 and would be upgraded at a later point in time.
This was confirmed by Swedish Air Force Commander, Major General Carl-Johan Edström, who told Airforces Monthly that he hoped that two more airlifters could be bought from Italy, with the aim of completely replacing the six C-130H currently in service.
Also referred as TP 84 in Swedish Air Force service, the Hercules has been in service since the 1960s, and is one of the oldest Hercules fleets in Europe. All of the six TP 84s are stationed at the Skaraborg Wing near Lidköping, which serves as a hub for Sweden’s military transport aircraft and specialist aircraft.
The aircraft that Italy would transfer to Sweden are expected to come from the 46ª Brigata Aerea Silvio Angelucci at Pisa/San Giusto.
Sweden Might Acquire Second-Hand C-130Js From Italy
June 15, 2022 Military Aviation
Stefano D'Urso
File photo of an Italian C-130J during a takeoff from an austere runway. (Photo: Aeronautica Militare)
The aircraft would replace the Swedish Air Force’s old C-130Hs
Sweden is looking to replace its six old C-130Hs (Tp84 according to the Swedish MoD designation) with four second-hand C-130Js from Italy, as the procurement of the latter has been judged as a better option than an upgrade program. While this has not yet been officially confirmed from the two countries, Air Forces Monthly reported the news after an interview with the Swedish Air Force Chief of Staff.
“We are buying the first two from the Italian Air Force, which will be modified at a later stage”, said Major General Carl-Johan Edström. “We hope to acquire six and the second pair will also come from Italy. So, replacing all six C-130Hs with six C-130Js.” In fact, it is being reported that the Italian government has put six C-130s on sale.
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Before the decision to completely replace the C-130H fleet, Sweden has been looking at ways to upgrade the aircraft currently in service. However, the upgrade program would have reduced the number of the operational aircraft for the time being. “We decided not to modernise our C-130Hs, because it meant the fleet numbers would drop for several years while they were away being modified, which would take six to nine months at a time”, said Major General Edström.
According to AFM’s interview, the first two aircraft might be delivered already next year, while the complete replacement of the C-130H fleet might happen by 2025. The acquisition of the C-130J has been judged a perfect choice by Major General Edström: “It’s a great decision to go for the C-130Js. They can fulfil the needs of the special forces, army and air force – it’s the perfect design for the Armed Forces.”
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The Aeronautica Militare received 12 C-130Js and ten longer C-130J-30s, which were delivered between May 2000 and February 2005 and assigned to the 46^ Brigata Aerea (Air Brigade) at Pisa-San Giusto airport. Several of these aircraft are reportedly in storage, with Scramble reporting at least three aircraft noted stored at Pisa and around five aircraft at Venice-Tessera airport. The numbers seem to add up with the reports about six aircraft being up for sale.
Three of the Italian C-130Js have been converted to KC-130J tankers, although the Italian Air Force originally acquired six air-to-air refueling kits. One of the six Swedish C-130Hs is a tanker aircraft (Tp84T) that is used to keep the Gripen pilotshttps://theaviationist.com/2018/07/...ut-forest-fire-near-military-range-in-sweden/ current in the air-to-air refueling qualification. It is unclear at this time if the aircraft will be replaced by a KC-130J or by a standard C-130J and later upgraded with the air-to-air refueling kit.
theaviationist.com
| Kone | Kuormatilan pituus (m) | Kuormatilan leveys (m) | Kuormatilan korkeus (m) | Max. kuorma |
| A400M | 17,71 (pl. ramppi) | 4,00 | 3,85 (4,00 siivestä taakse) | 37 tonnia |
| C-390 | 18,5 | 3,45 | 2,95 | 26 tonnia |
| C-130J | 12,5 | 3,05 | 2,74 | 19 tonnia |
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Tässä kohta kannattaa perusteellisesti tutkia ne suomen ja ruotsin ilmavoimien yhteistyö kuviot NATO puitteissa, tarviiko suomi ensinkään noita isompia koneita vaan käytetään ruotsin ja NATOn koneita.
Taitaa kahden A400M hinnalla saada 5 kpl C-390. Kawasaki C-2 on saman hintainen ja ominaisuuksiltaan saman kaltainen kuin A400M. C-390 on taas saman kaltainen/hintainen C-130J kanssa.
Osa Hornetin siipiripustimista on modifioitu BOL-heittimien kanssa yhteensopiviksi. Jos heitin ei ole asennettuna, tulee ripustimen kylkiin muotosuojat peittämään kiinnityspaikat.
Meillä ilmavoimien osuus on vain 10% kokonaisbudjetista ja päätaisteluhaara on maavoimat. Siihen ei sitten nuo muut pikkumaat ole juuri panostaneet. Siihen on tietysti selvät syyt!
theaviationist.com
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Mitä NATOn koneita?
