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BarrelNut kirjoitti:
Tuon aluksen nimeksi oli pitänyt laittaa FSG Angela Merkel.

Koko alusluokka oli jo lähtökohdiltaan haihattelua ja typeryyttä. Ikäänkuin tarve oikealle sotakalustolle olisi ollut ohi, ja kun määrärahat piti sitten käyttää niin tehtiin sitten kehitysmaa-risteilijä auttamaan maailman kriisipesäkkeissä. Kai noilla olisi ollut salainen tehtävä tuoda lähi-itäläisiä Eurooppaan laivalasteittain.

Samaan aikaanhan mm. toimivia Eurofightereitä aseineen oli vahvuudessa vain kourallinen.
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Taisi sitä samanlaista henkeä olla jossain päin Suomessakin vuonna 2015... (onneksi ei tehty samaa virhettä).
 
Euronaval messuilla KNDS esittelee 40 mm laivatykkiään.

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KNDS France showcases advanced naval artillery at Euronaval 2024

At Euronaval 2024, KNDS France has presented its latest innovations in naval artillery, focusing on systems designed to counter modern maritime threats.
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MBDA puolestaan tuo esille aika laajan kattauksen kehittyneitä tuotteita sukellusveneiden ohjuksista uusiin meritorjuntaohjuksiin ja laivojen lähisuojajärjestelmiin.

Alkaa olla valinnanvaraa, pitää vain poliitikoilta löytyä selkärankaa laittaa rahoitus sille tasolle, että noita pystytään hankkimaan riittävästi.

Euroopassa on viimeinkin mielestäni herätty siihen, että pitää olla pitkän kantaman vaikutuskykyä niin maalle kuin merelle. Ensi-iskun vaikutusta ei voi koskaan aliarvioida. Jos ryssä olisi Ukrainaan hyökätessään saanut kunnolla turpaansa jo ensimmäisellä viikolla ja iskut olisivat heti siirtyneet Venäjän puolellekin niin on iso mahdollisuus sille, että se olisi joko lopettanut hyökkäyksen tai ainakin eteneminen olisi rajoittunut tehokkaasti ja antanut aikaa laittaa maavoimien puolustusjärjestelyjä kuntoon eri tavalla.

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Euronaval 2024: MBDA evolves its sovereign weapon systems for maritime superiority

MBDA will present at Euronaval 2024 an evolving portfolio of sovereign defence solutions that provide a full range of decisive capabilities to ensure maritime superiority.
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BarrelNut kirjoitti:
tehtiin sitten kehitysmaa-risteilijä auttamaan maailman kriisipesäkkeissä.
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Niin ja sitten kun alueella on militanttien ylläpitämä kriisipesäke, niin laiva joutuu kiertämään koko Afrikan mantereen kun ei kykene operoimaan/auttamaan edes siinä uhkaympäristössä.
 
ak.tied kirjoitti:
Niin ja sitten kun alueella on militanttien ylläpitämä kriisipesäke, niin laiva joutuu kiertämään koko Afrikan mantereen kun ei kykene operoimaan/auttamaan edes siinä uhkaympäristössä.
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Äärimmäisen nöyryyttävää.
Ja paikalliset veronmaksajat maksoi tuosta tekeleestä n. 800M/laiva.
Hyvä opetus siitä, että kun ajatus sekoaa konseptuaalisella tasolla, sontaa tulee.
 
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French, UK naval chiefs urge dramatic changes in warship design

“If you stay with your old doctrine, you will be dead very rapidly,” said French Navy Chief of Staff Adm. Nicolas Vaujour.
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Navies can no longer count on ships staying relevant over their 40-year lifespan, and weapon systems will change “dramatically” over such a period, French Navy Chief of Staff Adm. Nicolas Vaujour said at the Euronaval industry conference outside Paris on Monday. Weapon systems may need to be adapted as frequently as every year, requiring ship architecture that allows for systems to be plugged in and changed when needed, Vaujour said.

“We have to build adaptable by design,” Vaujour said. “You must build the ship to be adaptable during 40 years, which is quite tricky.”
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Ukraine has been using missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles and seagoing drones to deny Russia access to much of the Black Sea, despite having little navy to speak of. In the Red Sea, Yemen’s Houthi rebels have targeted commercial vessels with drones and ballistic missiles, prompting freight traffic from Asia to Europe to reroute around Africa.

“If you stay with your old doctrine, you will be dead very rapidly,” Vaujour said. “What we saw in the Red Sea is that we have to adapt very quickly our system.”

The response of the French and British navies to the Houthi threat showed how learning accelerated when the urgency was understood, according to Key.
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Saisi laulaa MERIVE näistä myös Suomessa julkisuuteen. Muuten kaiken maailman portugalilaiset amiraalit hyppii nenille.

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Europeans start work on next-generation combat ship for the 2040s

Based on feedback from European Union member states, the requirement could be for a vessel with a displacement of 8,000 metric tons or more.
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Saisi laulaa MERIVE näistä myös Suomessa julkisuuteen. Muuten kaiken maailman portugalilaiset amiraalit hyppii nenille.
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Ei löydy merivoimista ja maavoimista Suomessa kykyä tuollaiseen julkisuuden hallintaan, onneksi sentään ilmavoimista. Portugalin merivoimat alkoivat aikanaan satsaamaan rahapulassaan innovatiivisuuteen ovat sillä sitten Natossa ratsastaneet. Samaa on näkynyt ihan viime vuosina esim. Hollannissa ja Italiassa. Toki helppoahan se on adaptoitua nopeammin mitä saksalainen hankintabyrokratia antaa myöten.
 
Australia:
German and Japanese designers will face off for a lucrative contract to build the navy new warships after the federal government’s national security committee eliminated bids from South Korea and Spain.

As part of plans to modernise the navy, the government is fast-tracking 11 new general purpose frigates to replace the ageing Anzac class frigates
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Navy’s $10b warship contest down to Germans, Japanese

The Albanese government will make a final decision next year on winning designer to build 11 new light frigates for the navy.
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Mietin, että miksi kaikista pisin A321? P-8A perustuu malliston keskimmäiseen versioon eli 737-800. Tarkasteltaessa molempien valmistajien liikesuihkukoneversioita (eli lisätankillisia) selviää, että Boeingilla kantama pienenee version kasvaessa, mutta Airbussilla isommissa versioissa on myös enemmän kantamaa. Tämä on tilan ja kantokyvyn lisäksi varmasti vaikuttanut valintaan.
 
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Mietin, että miksi kaikista pisin A321? P-8A perustuu malliston keskimmäiseen versioon eli 737-800. Tarkasteltaessa molempien valmistajien liikesuuhkukoneversioita (eli lisätankillisia) selviää, että Boeingilla kantama pienenee version kasvaessa, mutta Airbussilla isommissa versioissa on myös enemmän kantamaa. Tämä on tilan ja kantokyvyn lisäksi varmasti vaikuttanut valintaan.
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Siihen saattaa tulla ainakin suto-torpedot aseeksi, joten kaikki kantavuus tulee kyllä käytettyä...
 
Kuinka Ranska puolustaa lentotukialustaan merellä. 24 tweetin ketju google translaten läpi ja muutama selventävä suomennos päälle.
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How does France protect its only aircraft carrier when it is at sea? This thread presents the French Navy's carrier group, a real tool for projecting armed forces and deterrence on the international scene.[1/24]
First of all, the centerpiece, the Charles de Gaulle. This nuclear-powered aircraft carrier entered service with the Navy in 2001 and was built by Naval Group. France is currently the only nation with the USA to have a nuclear-powered P-A (porte-avions, lentotukialus).[2/24]
261m long, 65m wide, 75m high and 2000 sailors, this giant of the seas propels itself, thanks to its 2 nuclear reactors, at a speed of 27 knots (50km/h). With its food storage capacity (120t) and fuel (3400t), it can travel 1000km/day…[3/24]
and can operate in total autonomy for 45 days… In terms of logistics, it has 2 catapult runways equipped with the US C13-3 system (höyrykatapultti, lyhennetty versio Nimitz-luokan vastaavasta), allowing a 25-ton aircraft to be launched at 270 km/h in 2 seconds, as well as a landing strip at the rear.[4/24]

An aircraft can be catapulted every 30 seconds and up to 100 flights can be ensured per day. The aircraft are kept in a 4600m2 hangar and are mounted on the dispatch deck by two elevators, each of which can accommodate 2 aircraft at the same time.[5/24]
Finally, the CDG can carry 600 tons of munitions in the hold in order to ensure operational needs.As for its armament, it is equipped with 2 SAAM (surface-to-air anti-missile) systems armed with 16 Aster-15 each, produced by MBDA.[6/24]
These missiles can intercept aircraft, drones, cruise missiles at 360° up to 30 km and an altitude of 13 km.The second curtain of anti-aircraft defense of the CDG is based on two SADRAL launchers, armed with 12 Mistral missiles (short-range surface-to-air).[7/24]
In order to ensure its force projection mission, it carries on board 40 aircraft, including 36 Rafales Marines, two E-2C Hawkeye radar planes, and NH90 Caiman or SA365 Dauphin helicopters.[8/24]

The Rafale Marine, which can carry an Improved Medium-Range Air-to-Ground Missile (ASMPA) armed with a 500 kiloton nuclear warhead, is one of the main vectors of French nuclear deterrence.[9/24]
In reality, these missiles are called "pre-strategic", i.e. the final warning before a ballistic missile strike from the SNLE submarines. This airborne vector provides a complementarity to the submarine vector and thus complicates the task of enemy defenses.[10/24]
The strategic, military and political importance of a ship like the Charles de Gaulle requires it to be permanently protected. To do this, it is always accompanied by at least 3 surface ships and a nuclear attack submarine.[11/24]
First of all, there is an Aquitaine-class anti-submarine multi-mission frigate (FREMM), produced by Naval Group and Fincantieri. This 142 m long building accommodates 108 sailors and protects the GAN (carrier naval group) from various threats, but especially the underwater threat.[12/24]
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For this, it has a CAPTAS-4 sonar (syvyytettävä hinattava kaikumittain) manufactured by Thales, which is recognized as one of the best sonars on the market, and 1 NH90 Caiman helicopter, armed with MU90 underwater torpedoes. These can also be fired from the four tubes of the frigate.[13/24]
In addition, the FREMM has 8 MM40 Exocet anti-ship missiles, 16 Aster-15 anti-missile missiles and 16 MdCN naval cruise missiles with a range of 1000 km. All of these missiles are manufactured by the MBDA company.[14/24]
There is also a Horizon class anti-aircraft frigate, (Naval Group & Fincantieri). This 153 m long ship defends the GAN from anti-aircraft threats. It has a Thales S1850M three-dimensional radar detecting aircraft at 480 km and ballistic missiles at 2000 km.[15/24]
t is armed with 32 Aster-30 anti-missile missiles which allow to intercept at 360° aircraft, drones, cruise missiles at 120 km and an altitude of 20 km. This constitutes the 2nd layer of anti-aircraft defense of the GAN (carrier naval group), the first being the embarked Rafales.[16/24]

Its armament is completed by 8 MM40 Exocet anti-ship missiles, 16 Aster-15 anti-missile missiles and MU90 anti-submarine torpedoes with a range of 12 km launched from its 2 tubes. There is also an NH90 Caïman helicopter produced by Airbus.[17/24]
There is also a Rubis-class nuclear attack submarine (SNA) or more recently the Suffren class. The latter is the 2nd generation of SNA and is built by Naval Group in Cherbourg. Only one has been delivered so far to the French Navy, the Suffren.[18/24]
This SNA is 100m long, requires 70 sailors, can dive to 350m and can reach 27 knots. The evolution compared to the Rubis class is its improved armament. It is equipped with 24 F21 torpedoes (Naval Group) launched by its 4 tubes andguided by optical fiber…[19/24]
then by acoustics. But also naval cruise missiles (MdCN) with a range of 1000km and SM-39 Exocet anti-ship missiles, which can be fired while diving. Its presence is of crucial importance due to its discretion and its ability to play a scout role.[20/24]

Finally, the GAN (carrier naval group) includes a Jacques Chevalier-class Force Supply Vessel (replacing the Durance classes). Delivered in 2023, the Jacques Chevalier is the first of a 4-ship order from Naval Group and Fincantieri.[21/24]
This 194m-long vessel, displacing up to 31,000t at full load, requires 60 sailors and can carry 13,000m3 of fuel (for aircraft and frigates) and 1,300t of freight (food, ammunition, etc.).[22/24]
Its stake is crucial, it allows the GAN to remain operational for an additional 30 days to ensure nuclear deterrence and force projection.[23/24]
Of course, the number of vessels making up the GAN is adapted according to the threat or the needs of a mission. The number of frigates can vary, a second supply ship can alternate with the first and another submarine can join the GAN.[24/24]
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Objective 2038: how France will renew its carrier battle group
Objective 2038: how France will renew its carrier battle group
Directorate: Ministry of the Armed Forces / Published on: November 4, 2024

The carrier battle group (GAN) is an essential pillar of French naval power. In order to always stay one step ahead of technological developments, the Directorate General of Armaments is undertaking, for the benefit of the French Navy, the renewal of the vessels making up the GAN. Starting with its central element: the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. What will change by 2038.

Eleven. This is the number of countries with one or more aircraft carriers (or aircraft carriers) in the world. France is also the only one, along with the United States, to have adopted nuclear propulsion and the technology of catapults and arresting cables, known as "CATOBAR", for this type of ship.

The current carrier battle group

However, the Charles de Gaulle never sails alone. With the ships surrounding it, it forms the carrier battle group (GAN). The latter is made up of frigates that have anti-aircraft and anti-submarine warfare skills. Then there is a force replenishment oiler to refuel, live and spare parts the force at sea. A nuclear attack submarine (SNA) is also inserted into the system. "It is an additional pair of eyes and ears for the GAN. "We are talking about specific sensors and therefore complementary to those of the other means of the naval air group," explains frigate captain Antoine Richebé, former commander integrated within the GAN. But the GAN is also and above all the embarked air group: up to 30 aircraft in total with Rafale Marine, E-2C Hawkeye and Dauphin and Caïman Marine helicopters.

The aircraft carrier of the future

The next-generation GAN is embodied above all by the replacement of its centerpiece. Commissioned in 2001, the "Charles", as sailors call it, is expected to leave the fleet in 2038. A new nuclear-powered giant will then take over.

Artificial intelligence (AI) will obviously be at the heart of the future ship of the French Navy.

"Since we cannot predict the technologies that will come out by then, the challenge is not so much to define the next AI algorithms of the PA-NG. We can, however, determine the concepts of operational use and the link between humans and machines," says Bertrand Rondepierre, director of the ministerial agency for defense AI (Amiad). In short, anticipate the overall architecture so that the latter, once assembled, is not already obsolete.

Suffren-class SNA

The future aircraft carrier will also be able to count on a new generation of nuclear attack submarines (SNA): the Suffren class from the Barracuda program. Two of them have already been delivered. The Tourville, the 3rd submarine in the series, is currently completing its sea trials. The other three SNAs (De Grasse, Rubis and Casabianca) are at different stages of construction and their delivery will be staggered until 2030. Like their Rubis-class predecessors, the new SNAs are equipped with nuclear propulsion, which gives them a remarkable range and discretion. They are also faster, more durable and more versatile. Not to mention their increased capabilities for deploying special forces and for striking in depth, on land targets located several hundred kilometers away, using naval cruise missiles. "More generally, the SNA can go discreetly to observe far ahead and report what it has seen. This ability to project itself for a long time provides valuable advance notice to other units. All the more so with the Suffren-type SNAs, whose sensors are more efficient," says frigate captain Antoine Richebé, former commander integrated into the GAN.

Defence and intervention frigate

While the French Navy can already rely on a format of 8 multi-mission frigates (FREMM), including 2 with enhanced air defence capabilities (FREMM-DA), as well as 2 air defence frigates (FDA), it is awaiting the imminent arrival of its very first defence and intervention frigate (FDI). This programme aims to build 5 FDIs, 3 of which have already been ordered. The objective is to replace the current La Fayette-type frigates (FLF), commissioned between 1996 and 2001. The Admiral Ronarc’h, the first in the series, also made its first sea voyage at the beginning of October, off the coast of Lorient (Morbihan).

This stage marks the beginning of a sea trial campaign that will be conducted under the leadership of the DGA, in conjunction with its state and industrial partners, until the delivery of the ship to the Navy in 2025. The five FDI will contribute to strengthening the fleet of first-rate French frigates, by 2032. "The Admiral Ronarc'h is a real concentrate of technology. It has the capabilities of a destroyer in a frigate frame. In addition, it is the first cybersecured boat by design!", says Yonec Fihey, Marketing Director for Surface Boats and Systems at Naval Group. Last but not least, the FDI will be able to simultaneously embark a helicopter, a drone and receive a detachment of special forces with their two commando boats.

Force supply vessel

The GAN of the future is already partly completed concerning its supply part. The first of the four force supply vessels (BRF) of the "Logistics Fleet" (FlotLog) program, the Jacques Chevallier, was in fact handed over to the French Navy in July 2023. Two other BRFs will be delivered by 2030, in accordance with the LPM. The fourth and last in the series is thus expected by 2035. What will they bring that is new? A greater capacity to carry freight and fuel, but also better tactical capabilities compared to the Durance class ships. As a reminder, these vessels also carry ammunition, spare parts and food.
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Kuinka Ranska puolustaa lentotukialustaan merellä. 24 tweetin ketju google translaten läpi ja muutama selventävä suomennos päälle.
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Objective 2038: how France will renew its carrier battle group

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Ranskalla on 2 ilmatorjuntahävittäjää, useita fregatteja ja ydinsujellusveneitä, jotka ovat lentotukialusosaston suojaamisessa olennainen osa.
Kyllä Ranska yhden voimaryhmän saa kasaan, en epäile yhtään. Brittien kanssa yhdessä ne voivat muodostaa 2 tukialuksen ja riittävän suojueen voimaryhmän tarvittaessa joka alkaa lähennellä jo USA:n vastaavaa.
 
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